Originally published by Mike DeVine, Legal Editor for The Minority Report
The Palestinian people are a death cult.
Three generations have been raised to view Jews an blood drinking animals that should be eliminated. Israel offered them a separate state and half of Jerusalem in 2000. They rejected it. Israel gave them Gaza. They held elections and chose to be governed by terrorists that has waged war against Israel from Gaza.
Parents of suicide bombers as young as the pictured baby are featured on Palestinian TV as heroes. I’ll never forget the celebration of a Palestinian teen that blew up herself and a Pizza Hut in Tel Aviv.
Such parents are peeved now that their children may die in their rocket launcher laden homes instead of a Pizza Hut with scores of young Israelis that just ordered pepperoni and extra cheese.
Do I have to repeat that to convey the depths of sickness in their culture?
These people are sick.
There can be no peace until they get their minds concentrated. The only way that will happen is after utter and devastating defeat. This is the lesson of history.
Israel has always been capable of delivering utter and devastating defeat but has never done so. Now, they say that this is all out war.
But is it?
I think not, because I know what all out war is, and it requires no ground assault.
The United States faced a death cult after Pearl Harbor. Millions of lived were saved thanks to the courage of President Truman to be willing to concentrate the minds of the Japanese people with two atom bombs. We did that to avoid a ground assault.
It took two bombs, so sick were the Japanese people in their death cult.
Israel doesn’t need to use nuclear weapons. They can deliver the blow with conventional weapons from the air. But they are not willing to do it.
Therefore, Israel is failing its people. Not too long in the future, this operation will end, and not far in the future, more Israelis will die at the hands of Palestinians again.
It will take more than removing rocket launchers and capturing and killing some Hamas leaders. The sickness of the whole people is deep. Radical surgery is required.
But what about the moderates, you may ask? Just saw one on CNN. She is an apologist for the radicals. Reminds me of the “good” slave owner in Uncle Tom’s Cabin that enabled the brutish Simon Legree.
I’ll never forget a Palestinian barber whose barber shop was destroyed the last time Hamas waged war against Israel, soon after the clarifying elections. He said that next time he would vote for those that wouldn’t cause his barber shop to be bombed. But there aren’t enough of his kind in the death cult.
We know what Lincoln had to do, that Sherman foresaw, to end that one.
20 years later, more Southerners volunteered for the Spanish-American War than any others. The Japanese love baseball.
Israel, want some good neighbors?
Concentrate their minds.
We are all supposed to get a pink glow of good feeling inside because Israel goes to such lengths to limit enemy casualties.
I don’t get that feeling because the duty of Israel’s government is to protect their people and their half measures the last 40 years have not done that and a full measure of devastation would save more lives in the long run and bring actual peace.
Concentrate the Palestinian mind.
Bomb the hell out of them.
Its the right thing to do.
Unless you do, we will all be back for this re-run in a few years, again.
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I'm not a hawk
Steve W Saturday, January 3rd at 11:21PM EST (link)but in this case I have to agree. Something has to jolt these murderers and death cult members to such a degree that they understand that peace is the only possible compromise besides death. Then, and only then will your statement . . .
be false.
Kill them until they sue for peace - or as one famous American once wrote, “Sir, No terms are acceptable, except unconditional surrender.” If innocents are killed - then let God straighten it out.
The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas-a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.
- Ronald Reagan
Thanks Steve, Achance, Zuiko, Claghorn and Doc-nt
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, January 4th at 8:40AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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You're welcome. (nt)
George Claghorn Sunday, January 4th at 8:53AM EST (link)“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
Recommended (nt)
zuiko Saturday, January 3rd at 11:26PM EST (link)Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
Unbelievably offensive
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 3:13AM EST (link)and immoral, not to mention ineffectual.
In my opinion.
Think about the barber. There aren’t enough “of this kind,” according to the cockiest crow on the internet? You are pulling that out of thin air. You have no idea how many there are, and you are not the arbiter of how many are “enough.” Your willingness to blow however many barbers there may be to smithereens on a hunch is disgusting.
Israel is within its rights to destroy Hamas. This should incentivize a better and more responsible choice in coming elections, as more Barbers will see the wisdom in moderation. But let the Barbers be. WE NEED THEM, to speak nothing of the moral obligation of sparing innocents whenever at all possible.
To think that the US and Israel can blow its problems away with enough bombs is so ridiculous to anyone who has actually been to the area (I can say without question that Gamecock has not). There are different schools of thought among the Palestinians and other Arab nations. We, both the US and Israel, need to prove that any friend of modernity, moderation, and diplomacy in the area is a friend of ours. You do not do that by blowing them up.
Think of how easily you could write this same thing on the other side, like Tano said, on the other blog DeVine posted this on. Just more bombs, just more death, just more blood, and the Israeli mind will be focused. That has been the strategy for many a bloody feud; let’s grow up, shall we?
DeVine only seems to see nails with his giant hammer. Nothing personal, that’s just my opinion. I usually don’t comment, but to ascribe these horrendous motivations to all Palestinians like a blanket is personally offensive to me, and all the more outrageous because it so certainly comes from ignorance.
Unbelieveably idiotic, mellowfellow.
Achance Sunday, January 4th at 4:42AM EST (link)Maybe whatever you use to make you a mellow fellow has destroyed your ability to think. For sixty years these barbarians have maintained a cult of death. The basic civility that we and the Israelis have exhibited has only encouraged them. For that matter, the basic civiltity that the sane among us have exhibited towards people like you, has only encouraged your idiocy.
In Vino Veritas
Yeah, Achance,
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 3:16PM EST (link)I’m blown away by your basic civility here, brother. Off topic, but how do people get so angry on the internet?
“These barbarians” means Hamas and some others. It does not mean Palestinians. It does for you and Gamecock because you live in the US and evidently have never cared to think about Palestine as a complicated place with a variety of opinion. It is just so much easier to believe they are all “barbarians” or “cultists.”
Quick question, what percentage of reform-minded Palestinians would there have to be for your to second-guess your “bomb the hell out of them” mentality? Honest question, please indulge…
Don't care, just as my father's generation didn't care
Achance Sunday, January 4th at 3:28PM EST (link)what percentage of the Germans were in the SS. Call it collateral damage.
In Vino Veritas
Honestly?
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 3:39PM EST (link)If there were 99% Barbers, all wishing to high-heaven they had not elected Hamas, you don’t care? You destroy the whole nation because of 1%?
I know you don’t accept these numbers (I don’t either), but you said you didn’t care; that would commit you to accept this extreme.
Do you accept this extreme?
MellowFellow, I think you made a good point
icbm Sunday, January 4th at 3:49PM EST (link)in your first post, and I also doubt that GC actually means that Israel should bomb Gaza indiscriminately - although his phrasing may suggest that.
My guess is that GC’s overall point is that wars are quickest and most successful - and therefore most merciful and most conducive to a lasting peace - if they are waged fully, rather than, say, “proportionately.” Waging war fully does not mean abandoning the distinction between civilian and combatant, but it does mean devising and executing strategy with a view to the whole, i.e., achieving a decisive and fast victory. Advancing gingerly and fastidiously when time is very limited is to accept failure from the beginning. Hence GC’s example of Sherman.
You may still disagree with his point, of course.
you're a good man (or woman), icbm,
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 4:28PM EST (link)and it speaks well of you that you think the best, but I think you are projecting more goodness onto GC than he meant.
I probably would still disagree with his point, though not as vehemently, but I think he truly means “parking lot” here. If not, he probably would have stopped me by now and said so himself.
If I’m wrong, GC, you are welcome to correct me, and I will call it a day.
Hey Mellow
Neil Stevens Sunday, January 4th at 4:30PM EST (link)Stick to quoting what GC said, instead of putting words in his mouth. The burden is on *you* to show that you are portraying his words accurately. The burden is not on him.
Correct this error by providing quotes, or retracting, immediately.
This is not a request. This is an instruction from a site administrator.
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MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 4:46PM EST (link)“Concentrate the Palestinian mind.
Bomb the hell out of them.
Its the right thing to do.”
I deduced from this that Gamecock “concentrate the Palestinian mind” by “[bombing] the hell out of them.” Is there another way to read it?
I contend that you persuade Palestinians by 1) leaving some alive to have an opinion, 2) avoiding collateral damage as a moral prerogative, and 3) supporting voices of moderation
I don’t think I’ve misrepresented Gamecock, and I don’t think he thinks I have, either. We just respectfully disagree, and the sky has still not fallen.
Mellow, let me make this clear
Neil Stevens Sunday, January 4th at 4:48PM EST (link)You will quote where GC says he doesn’t want to “leave some Palestinians alive,” or you will retract your post and apologize to GC for your statements.
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I retract anything I said
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 5:04PM EST (link)that would lead any to believe that I think GC wants to wipe all Palestinians out. Clearly he does not, and I don’t wish to put words in anyone’s mouth. Sorry GC, though your absence makes me think you probably don’t care about this misperception by some readers as much as Neil.
My comments to that effect, especially “leave anyone alive” were hyperbolic and a little tongue-in-cheek. What I am trying to convey is the absurdity of using death and destruction to persuade when more human alternatives are more promising.
Fair enough?
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zuiko Sunday, January 4th at 4:50PM EST (link)If he were advocating genocide (which he clearly wasn’t), why would it matter what they thought about anything? I mean one of the side effects of wiping a people out is it doesn’t really matter any more, does it?
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MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 5:04PM EST (link)nt
well, it would be my point, anyway.
icbm Sunday, January 4th at 5:52PM EST (link)even if it’s not GC’s.
I can appreciate your objection to what you saw in the article. If I thought GC were saying “parking lot,” I also would object.
Have a good night.
If the 1% has the rockets and the 99%
Tbone Sunday, January 4th at 3:59PM EST (link)lets the 1% hide behind them, yes.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
BINGO....
JLenardDetroit Sunday, January 4th at 4:11PM EST (link)If the 99% had to actually face the consequences of allowing the 1% to continue to operate (by facing actual invasion/warfare and REAL OCCUPATION, not this twisted bs of being occupied) then they would FINALLY have to care enough to step up and stop the 1% themselves to have Peace… OR just keep suffering the consequences then (TOO BAD…. if someone continues to stay quiet about all the crime in your neighborhood, you have ZERO RIGHT to moan if/when it hits your home directly - lessons some morons in the “hood” here haven’t learned yet either… why Detroit looks like Gaza and vica-versa… “Don’t Snitch, yo” - silence is being complicit)
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You are a little cynical
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 4:20PM EST (link)for my taste, but your suggestion that Palestinians might, in the future, “step up” is positive evidence for leaving them around (again, leaving aside the moral obligation of doing so). That is my main point.
After all, they are seeing the consequences of their election of Hamas right now, in some respects. Many barbers have been made.
proportional.... will not force enemies into Peace....
JLenardDetroit Sunday, January 4th at 4:33PM EST (link)They won’t step up, unless (like I said) they face REAL WARFARE and death and destruction on a daily basis and realize if they want Peace they can bring it on THEMSELVES by stopping their own “supposed” leadership from INVITING the death/destruction/warfare upon them!!!
Maybe Israel should lob rockets into Gaza daily forever and ever until that day comes!?!? For every 1 rocket sent from Gaza into Israel, it should be the stated policy and practice for Israel to lob 10 (TEN) back into Gaza indiscriminately….
It would still take generations for them to begin to wake up and stand up to their own that have/had invited it!
Just as Pakistan invites eventual all-out-war if they do NOT reign in the Waziristan regions…. The GWOT will not end unless they become a real and true ally in the Fight or we Carpet Bomb the region and prepare invasion…. Anything short is just fighting Vietnam again (conversation we try to avoid).
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Your hypothetical implies
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 4:16PM EST (link)that 100% are pro-Hamas. I am suggesting nearly the opposite.
Did I misunderstand you?
Your suggestion isn't grounded in fact
Neil Stevens Sunday, January 4th at 4:18PM EST (link)What was the tally in the election that mandated Hamas as the government of the PA?
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straw man
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 4:24PM EST (link)I stated outright that I did not present the numbers as fact. It was to make a point with Achance, though he never resurfaced. You can’t jump in now and try and make me defend numbers I only used to make a point you had nothing to do with. If you want to play that game, you have to answer my initial question to him, and I’ll have to assume you agree with Gamecock’s blog, though you haven’t said so explicitly:
What percentage of reform-minded Palestinians would there have to be for your to second-guess your “bomb the hell out of them” mentality?
Achance surprised me with the indefensible position that it is irrelevant.
I agree with him
Neil Stevens Sunday, January 4th at 4:26PM EST (link)Opinions don’t count. Actions do.
If there were “Palestinians” taking positive action against Hamas, I’d say the IDF would need to take up a support role for them.
Such people do not exist. They are a figment of your imagination.
Sorry to harsh your mellow, man, but them’s the facts. Yeah, if the world were ideal, there would be no war in Israel. But there is, so GC’s formula is the correct one: the quickest path to peace is the win the war for good.
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Hamas has no opposition?
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 4:35PM EST (link)Hamas has no opposition? I really don’t think you even believe that. Gamecock talked about Hamas’ opposition even, ironically, among individuals who were once pro-Hamas.
My “imagination” has nothing to do with the countless individuals who I have met from many Arab nations who — while furious with regards to Israel’s actions — have as their first priority peace.
I think closer to the mark is that your imagination envisions a black and white world, in which Palestine got the dark mark. That is much further from reality than any biases I may suffer from.
Not what I said...
Neil Stevens Sunday, January 4th at 4:38PM EST (link)… but I don’t really want to play in this thread anymore since i’m having to moderate it.
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I suppose I don't know what you mean
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 4:47PM EST (link)by “no positive action.” But if you are tired of the thread, whatever.
Where are you getting this crap from?
George Claghorn Sunday, January 4th at 4:41PM EST (link)Neil never said that there was no opposition to Hamas.
“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
And by the way...
George Claghorn Sunday, January 4th at 4:42PM EST (link)Neil said that there are no Palestinians taking positive action against Hamas, as you suggested there were.
“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
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if there were, we'd be hearing about it...
JLenardDetroit Sunday, January 4th at 4:53PM EST (link)The MSM would be playing it up as further argument (like Mellow, IMO, is failing to make) that Israel should stay out and let them sort it out…. This is NOT a Civil War in Gaza with Israel intervening, if it were Mellow would get some sympathetic response to his thoughts (but, it is all unicorn stuff, as the FACTS exist currently)…
Mellow… do you think that Israel WANTS to be messing around in Gaza?
They have been forced, IMO, to take action because the “99%” (as we have been discussing) fails to do a darn thing about the lawlessness of the “1%” …. Though you tried to poo-poo my poke at Detroit….. Drug neighborhoods are NOT turned around until the residents step-up… until then they are like this conflict, occasional incursions by Enforcement, only to have it return to lawlessness…. and endless cycle…. The 99% is complicit and must do something or shut-up and deal with the consequences.
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All right
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 5:09PM EST (link)I wasn’t sure if you meant political or military opposition. It looks like you mean the latter. I agree, there is not much of that, if any, but it is probably too much to ask, at least at this point.
At any rate, armed conflict is usually preceded by political opposition. Hopefully it won’t come to that (civil war).
You're right, he did
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 4:55PM EST (link)I should have kept my comments to just Palestinians, but the argument still stands.
No, your argument does NOT still stand (nt)
George Claghorn Sunday, January 4th at 4:57PM EST (link)“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
OBTW little fellow Neil has requested you to respond to him I suggest you do so!
JadedByPolitics Sunday, January 4th at 5:02PM EST (link)..
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
how many "countless" individuals 10, 12, 13?....
JadedByPolitics Sunday, January 4th at 4:43PM EST (link)got something to support your supposition that “many” Arab nations want peace first? a link? something other than you know your typing!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Hundreds, but I'll be smarter than to make this
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 4:54PM EST (link)about me and my experience. I probably should keep my personal experience out of it, though it gets my goat because I know all these absolutely positive assertions that all Palestinians are the same, cultist barbarians comes from NO interaction with them, and it would seem that my considerable interaction ought to be relevant, but I suppose it is not. I apologize.
I think Jordan’s, Egypt’s, and much of North Africa’s concession to Israel’s right to exist and cessation of hostilities is proof-positive they want peace first. You know it isn’t because they love them, right?
Stop with the sweeping generalities.
George Claghorn Sunday, January 4th at 4:56PM EST (link)Gee, you could tell us, but you just don’t want to. “You don’t want to “make this about [you] and [your] experience.”
And I’ll note yet again that Neil said there were no such PALESTINIANS who pro-actively oppose Hamas.
“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
You and your experience? and I am to take this on....
JadedByPolitics Sunday, January 4th at 5:00PM EST (link)your word? really? listen little fellow you come in here act as if you are some bigshot who has been around the world and talked to Arabs oh how many? well it could be hundreds it could be the tv in your basement talking to you one never knows about these things.
I personally didn’t call them cultist barbarians I call then ANIMALS but that’s just me and that is from watching these animals for the better part of my life kill Israeli’s in their state and around the world because you see Israel has a state but I don’t need to “pretend” to be anything more than an American who would like for Israel to FINISH it once and for all!
Whatever that takes however long it takes it what it will take BUT end it once and for all!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Don't take it at all
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 5:13PM EST (link)It’s not about me. Or you. I already apologized for bringing my own experience into it.
Grow up.
I don't have to "grow up" little man you have to.....
JadedByPolitics Sunday, January 4th at 5:16PM EST (link)learn to stop pretending to be something you are not and expecting thinking people to take you at your typing word…..how absolutely immature is that?
Do you think in your small mind you are sitting in a room full of people? NO you are sitting at a computer and typing and acting as if you are someone important who knows important people. Your phony egotism is rather boring and you bring nothing to the conversation but the dreams in your head!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
From my small mind to you, Jaded
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 5:27PM EST (link)What exactly did I “pretend” to be? I said I’ve met hundreds of Middle-Eastern Muslims, which is a fact. I am a little flattered you think that is so impressive, but actually that is true of millions of people. “important people”? I’ve never met anyone important, as the world defines it. Dreams in my head? what the…? I don’t think I can do this anymore, Jaded…
I'm sure I could have had a wonderful, homely experience
Achance Sunday, January 4th at 8:34PM EST (link)should I have for some reason wound up in a German household in WWII. Probably would have had some cute kids, the haus frau, probably even one set of grandparents. We’d have gone to church, gone to work, made the meals, gone to the bomb shelters together, and probably had this nice, bonding human experience. And I just wouldn’t have looked at that picture on the mantle or piano of the guy in the black uniform with the skulls on the collar.
In Vino Veritas
most Arab countries...
JLenardDetroit Sunday, January 4th at 5:02PM EST (link)… in the context of Mellows thought…. IMO, only care about the Peace/stability within their own Borders and little else…. If they cared enough to bring about Peace, Egypt and Saudi Arabia could squash the Gaza problem…. If other Arab Nations stood up and did something, this would not be occurring… They WILL NOT DO SO because they don’t want any push-back within their own country… they don’t care if Peace exists for other Nations/Territories
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Burke....
JLenardDetroit Sunday, January 4th at 4:38PM EST (link)All that is necessary for the triumph of Evil is that Good men do nothing
As long as they continue to DO NOTHING, they invite what they are now getting
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Do you see how stupid you are by the....
JadedByPolitics Sunday, January 4th at 4:47PM EST (link)“I’ll have to assume you agree” did you not see he recommended the diary? WE here in Redstateland use that little button that puts our names at the top as an APPROVAL of the diary!
and Neil can do anything he likes he is a moderator and to truth be told I am surprised with your level of snarkiness and down right ignorance ie: the sentence I quoted above that you are still here!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
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ok... how many is the question?
JLenardDetroit Sunday, January 4th at 5:47PM EST (link)to pull the points from elsewhere….
You can get Zogby to do a Poll… even if the whole other 99% claim to be against what the 1% is doing (Hamas fighters lobbing rockets to provoke Israel)…. that is STILL NOT GOOD ENOUGH if they are NOT willing to do a darn thing beyond that….. If they do NOT stand up to stop it (not, that they MIGHT eventually do so, but that they DO NOT DO SO NOW) then they suffer the consequences…. PERIOD
Egypt deserves some credit (Jordan, and King Hussein moreso) for Peace…. BUT…. Egypt does little to stop the flow of Arms into Gaza…. which, again, goes to my point that Arab countries care nothing about Peace except that it is maintained within their own Borders
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The logic of your posit positively escapes me . . .
Steve W Sunday, January 4th at 6:52PM EST (link)Hamas is the elected party of choice of the Palestinians in Gaza. Which means more than 50% of those bozo’s chose to put them at the head of their government.
That being the case - how can there be 99% Barbers? At best - you could only have 49% Barbers.
I’ll go with the position of Sodom and Gomorrah on this one. Remember the story? Will you save it for 50? Sure. Will you save it for 40? Sure. Will you save it for 30? for 20? Sure. What was the result? They were destroyed anyway, except for the four - there does come a point in which enough IS enough.
The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas-a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.
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Why should Israel exhibit civility
George Claghorn Sunday, January 4th at 5:23AM EST (link)towards people who have exhibited no civility towards Israelis?
“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
If by "people" you mean Hamas,
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 3:47PM EST (link)then they shouldn’t. You should root them out.
That is the whole point. Don’t bomb indiscriminately, as Gamecock suggests.
Where did GC say bomb indiscriminately?
Neil Stevens Sunday, January 4th at 4:22PM EST (link)He said to fight like we did the CSA, Imperial Japan, and Nazi Germany.
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Stop putting words in GC's mouth
George Claghorn Sunday, January 4th at 4:34PM EST (link)He never suggested indiscriminate bombing.
“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
The election of Hamas would not have occurred
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, January 4th at 8:42AM EST (link)if there were more like the barber.
This has been going no for all of my adult life. The Palestinians have raised up three generations of Jew haters.
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Enemies of Israel
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 3:35PM EST (link)they will probably always be, in a broad sense. I recently read that 95% of Egyptians consider Israel to be an enemy state. But we can all live with that, since they are mostly diplomatic in their disagreements.
I consider Saudi Arabia to be antithetical to my democratic ideals, and so might consider them an enemy in a poll; but that doesn’t mean we’re going to war with them.
Ending the violence is the goal, not making everyone love each other. The idea is to make more barbers. If you think you do that by annihilating all their friends and family, I’ll just say again, you are ignorant in regards to the politics of the area.
I mean, think this through. You destroy Palestine; you make the whole area a parking lot. Then what? Then all the other Arabs in the area (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, etc.) all go, “hurumph! That was uncalled for,” and then forget about it? Don’t forget that Palestinians have ethnic and ideological fellows all over the world; even after your ruthless massacre (lets call it like it is), there will be people steaming at Israel, and I’m willing to bet some will continue to the rocketeering.
Bam, you’re right back where you are now, except you have many innocent lives on your hands.
The alternative is more difficult: finding a two-state solution that both countries sign. It might take longer, but that is so, so worth it.
Your second-last sentence shows your basic ignorance of the situation (nt)
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I disagree
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 3:48PM EST (link)If you are interested in discussion, please discuss.
It's not a matter of opinion
Neil Stevens Sunday, January 4th at 3:52PM EST (link)Hamas’s mission is to destroy Israel. There is no diplomatic option with an organization that refuses to acknowledge you as a legitimate entity, or even as a people who are allowed to live. Hamas grants no such thing to Israel or Jews.
No agreement between Hamas and Israel can exist and be trusted by Israel.
So for you to sit there on your high horse and talk about an agreement just shows your own ignorance of the situation.
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Well, Neil,
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 4:10PM EST (link)you seem to have the same problem as GC, and that is conflating Hamas with Palestine. I think it is clear that Hamas’ days are numbered.
That is kind of my counterargument, in fact, maybe you haven’t been paying attention: that being more delicate than GC suggests and by other carefully considered means, modernity can be fomented and a more moderate government elected; one whose decisions would be accepted by the international community.
It is obvious that any agreement by Hamas would be like Blagojevich’s nominee to senate: DOA
"modernity can be fomented : ROFLMAO
Tbone Sunday, January 4th at 4:15PM EST (link)From a stone age religion?
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
arrogant
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 5:16PM EST (link)prejudiced.
No further comment.
Honor killings.
Tbone Sunday, January 4th at 5:42PM EST (link)And I’m prejudiced? I guess I am towards people who think killing their own kids is honorable.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
This is ridiculous
Neil Stevens Sunday, January 4th at 4:15PM EST (link)Without Hamas there *is* no Palestine to talk about. Either Hamas is the elected government of Palestinian Gaza, or there is no Palestine of which to speak.
You can’t simultaneously refer to Palestine as an entity while denying Hamas as its leadership. Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.
Besides, should we not have dropped bombs in Germany for fear of conflating the NSDAP wth Germany?
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My position is to take care of Hamas
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 5:18PM EST (link)And let other leadership come, with which some agreement may be reached.
I may be dense, but there being no Palestine without Hamas is incomprehensible to me. Yes there is. And there will be with newer, better government in the future, should Israel and her allies play their cards right.
Israel and "her allies"? Who, other than the US, are her allies? n/t
janis Sunday, January 4th at 5:20PM EST (link)?
"Hamas's days are numbered"
David Hinz Sunday, January 4th at 7:21PM EST (link)you got at least one thing right. Yes, Hamas’ days are numbered, and they are using a Jewish Calendar.
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
In Gamecock's diary he states that
Justin_Case Sunday, January 4th at 5:34PM EST (link)had there not been a nuclear attack on Japan, the US and its allies would have had to wage a ground invasion of Japan. In the past, I have read estimates that an invasion may have caused hundreds of thousands of additional US casualties.
A “bomb the hell out of them” scenario rather than use ground troops as occurred in the latter days of WWII is rendered moot in Gaza right now. This ground invasion, in itself, is an example of Israeli restraint which, unfortunately, is lost on the rest of the world.
What I believ you fail to understand is that the Israeli soldier on the ground right now in Gaza, and his family back home, would much prefer a continuation of the bombing instead of an invasion.
War is a very ugly and terrifying experience, not only for civilians caught in the cross fire, but for those Israelis who are fighting for survival at this moment. Survival is a most basic instinct that oftentimes is confused and disrupted by rules of engagement that Israel’s enemies readily disregard.
Put yourself in the place of those Israeli soldiers and you may begin to understand better where people like Gamecock are coming from.
Good point
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 5:49PM EST (link)and thanks for the respectful tone.
I do understand, though, that this is worse for Israeli soldiers. I am looking at this as an outsider who wants the best for the region and for both sides.
I agree that Israel has shown great restraint, and I applaud them for that. That is the difference between me and GC, who believes Israel has failed her people. I believe in continued restraint and deliberate diplomacy. He believes in bombs.
Some one needs a nap..
$peciallist Sunday, January 4th at 5:56PM EST (link)np
I agree!
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 6:01PM EST (link)Thanks for the discussion, all.
I did not realize
Justin_Case Sunday, January 4th at 6:28PM EST (link)that you have been a RS member for over two years.
So, it’s safe to say you’ll be sticking around?
I’m afraid that I will have to side with GC on this. As I said in my previous post, the point is now moot.
A country has to provide the utmost to its soldiers first and foremost. When people argue against water boarding and want us to comply to the letter of the Geneva Conventions, they lose me. To the foot soldier it is about survival and nothing else.
I believe you will agree that much of the restraint that Israel has shown over the years is a result of her dependence on the US and the few other allies she has.
Much of the reaction you have received here is a result of frustration with the way things have gone since the inception of the state of Israel in 1948.
It has been shown there is no dealing with the Palestinians. The last sixty years have seen a deterioration of the standard of living for the Palestinian people. Whose fault is that? I really do not believe the blame lies with the Israelis.
So what to do? Annihilate them with an eye to as little damage as possible to the civilian population, while regarding the lives of Israeli soldiers to the highest degree.
Until there is total victory in Gaza, there will never be anything close to peace.
Hey Mellow...do you like my badges?
$peciallist Sunday, January 4th at 5:59PM EST (link)Hey…were you ever a Boyscout?
Badges?
Neil Stevens Sunday, January 4th at 6:02PM EST (link)We don’t need no steenking badges!
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lol...I was setting him up bigtime...I hope he's napping
$peciallist Sunday, January 4th at 6:07PM EST (link)i’m looking for that little Video game character/avatar of yours….then you get a badge..
I'm honored
Neil Stevens Sunday, January 4th at 6:56PM EST (link)I wish I had a game of it though. That’s Curtis Lawson.
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I'm opposed to the two-state solution
icbm Sunday, January 4th at 3:53PM EST (link)(I like to call it the 22 state solution, since there are already 21 other Arab states and only one Jewish one - if my math isn’t off)
But the majority of Israelis favor the two-state solution, as has the U.S. (both Democratic and Republican presidents following Israel’s lead on this one).
I think this view is very much mistaken, but it does not necessarily mean that someone is ignorant of the situation - unless, of course, the majority of Israelis and Pres. Bush can be called ignorant of the situation (perhaps you would argue that can be).
If Hamas wanted a two state solution, they'd get it
Neil Stevens Sunday, January 4th at 3:54PM EST (link)But until they give up their Nazi-esque goal of the liquidation of all Jews, Israel has no choice on the matter.
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I certainly agree with that
icbm Sunday, January 4th at 3:56PM EST (link)So maybe I misunderstood what you were originally saying
Oh I was just backing you up.
Neil Stevens Sunday, January 4th at 4:01PM EST (link)I wasn’t disagreeing!
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well cut it out
icbm Sunday, January 4th at 4:05PM EST (link)heh
you make a good point GC
Doc Holliday Sunday, January 4th at 4:58AM EST (link)but Petraeus taught us we need to win the hearts and minds, and then kill those we can’t win over. No one want’s a death cult on their doorstep. The Israilis deserve better, so do the 1 million Muslims living in Israel.
We know the West can destroy any place on this earth if it wants to. but the long term solution in Palestine, if there will be one, is for the Palestinians to give up the death cult and get on with their lives. I am sure many have no desire to get on with their lives, they are so full of hate and so lacking in skills. If they must be taken out in a military fashion, than that is the way it goes.
If anyone thinks I am a friend of these savages because of previous posts, they are sadly mistaken. I would guess the average Palestinian Joe just wants to live his life, but it is time he rises up and takes down Hamas. The only end to Hamas will be from the inside. The Israelis will reduce Hamas and give an opening. If the average joe joins the death cult, then he is an enemy, easily in the range of the IDF.
God Bless the IDF and their mission to fight back the darkness.
Molon Labe!
Good points Doc, but just like the Japanese Death Cult
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, January 4th at 9:23AM EST (link)which was destroyed from the outside
By the US military
So can the Palestinian death cult
If the Israelis have the will.
I think the problem is that the average Joe in Palestine and his grandfather and father and children have been raised since childhood in this death cult.
Their average Joe is screwed up.
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I have another take
Steve W Sunday, January 4th at 7:08PM EST (link)I don’t think that in Germany or in Japan or in Iraq it was just the US military that stopped the continued warfare and terrorist behavior.
I believe that it came after. If we had just pounded them until they surrendered - I don’t believe that their ‘hearts and minds’ would have changed one iota.
I believe that the change came when we, in essence, forced them to change their government, and then abide by our rules until they ‘got it’, and had more than half a chance of making a go at it on their own.
I don’t think that it will be any different with Hamas. Until the Israeli’s have them suing for peace - and then force a change of government on them that wants peace with Israel - and will fight against any groups that want to continue to fight Israel - will there be peace AND a change of hearts and minds.
The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas-a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.
- Ronald Reagan
The hearts and minds bit
zuiko Sunday, January 4th at 12:19PM EST (link)Is only after they are totally crushed militarily. We weren’t on the outside trying to win Saddam and company’s hearts and minds. We removed them and were on the inside, having control of the country when we tried to do that. Israel could follow the same strategy, but it requires that Hamas be absolutely crushed and Gaza be under Israeli control before it can begin.
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This is exactly my view and it looks like it is
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, January 4th at 12:55PM EST (link)taking in Iraq, with special thanks to al Qaeda providing a stark contrast with life under freedom after Saddam and the great work of our military.
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Maybe there's a reminder/lesson there
6eorge Jetson Sunday, January 4th at 1:18PM EST (link)All looked lost to the enemy prior to the “surge”.
But after Patreaus led us to redouble our efforts to get our (Iraqi) constituents back on their feet by creating environments where opportunity could exist,
our enemy bashed us in words while forcing its agenda down the throats of the constituents through brute force.
If it can work for the US and the Iraqi people against insurgent tyranny,
it can work for Republicans and the US electorate against Democratic tyranny.
The problem after the crushing will be what jobs?
JadedByPolitics Sunday, January 4th at 1:25PM EST (link)they have no commodities they live off of the welfare of other countries and that will have to change if there is going to be REAL CHANGE in that area!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
the chuckie plan....
chuckie Sunday, January 4th at 10:56AM EST (link)…would involve lots and lots of bulldozers….all heading straight to the sea….
…..but that would be littering…
….back to the old drawing board, oh well……….
The only thing worse than war...
NightTwister Sunday, January 4th at 10:59AM EST (link)…is fighting one half-heartedly or leaving it unfinished. All that does is assure more lives on both sides will be lost.
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Thanks NT and amen. We could ask N Koreans and Vietnamese
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, January 4th at 11:01AM EST (link)and Israelis living in fear and the relatives of the dead.
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You're Assuming the Palestinians have a rational military objective
baseketball Sunday, January 4th at 11:21AM EST (link)“Concentrate the Palestinian mind.
Bomb the hell out of them.”
They are not a conventional military force with conventional military objectives. You can’t scare them, except by threatening to end the war. They can’t be bullied, reasoned with, or bought. Indiscriminate bombing of Palestine is not going to accomplish anything. Peace will only come about in the Middle East when the Palestinians get sick of Hamas, and that won’t happen if Israel’s MO is to carpet bomb the place every once in a while.
True.
NightTwister Sunday, January 4th at 11:39AM EST (link)That’s why they’ve finally given up on
Turning the place into a parking lot will work. Hamas permanently stopping firing rockets into Isreal will work too, but I don’t expect that to happen.
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Where is this "Palestine?" nt
Achance Sunday, January 4th at 11:43AM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
It can be found in the early centuries AD
icbm Sunday, January 4th at 11:48AM EST (link)and also briefly in the Middle Ages and in the 20’s and 30’s of the 20th century.
I think you have to update your maps, Achance. Heh.
Not unless and until it actually exists as
Achance Sunday, January 4th at 12:03PM EST (link)a nation in today’s world. Roman provinces and British ,mandates don’t count.
In Vino Veritas
The 20s and 30s and he is the one that has to update his maps? (nt)
zuiko Sunday, January 4th at 12:21PM EST (link)Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
Achance, Zuiko, I was being sarcastic
icbm Sunday, January 4th at 12:27PM EST (link)That’s why I wrote “Heh.” But I guess I should have made it clearer.
Ahh, OK... makes more sense that way :) (nt)
zuiko Sunday, January 4th at 12:34PM EST (link)Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
Gotcha
Achance Sunday, January 4th at 12:52PM EST (link)Sarcasm is tough to communicate on a board unless you’re real well known.
In Vino Veritas
Heh Achance...
Attack Mode Sunday, January 4th at 1:02PM EST (link)With you I assume some amount of sarcasm in every post..;^)
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Palestine to the jihadis / apologists is kinda like Margaritaville
Jack_Savage Sunday, January 4th at 10:34PM EST (link)It’s wherever the hell you want it to be.
5 TITCR
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 3:52PM EST (link)…assuming, as “when Palestinians get sick of Hamas” suggests, that “they” which are “not a conventional military force” refers to Hamas.
Correct assumption
baseketball Sunday, January 4th at 7:19PM EST (link)Sorry that wasn’t as clear as it could’ve been.
Why couldn't this approach work as good as most others?
bk Sunday, January 4th at 11:51AM EST (link)They’ve split Gaza in two. They control the coast presumably. If they would take control along the border with Egypt and spend time killing each and every tunnel there, then they’ve killed all the military resupply lines. They can let in whatever humanitarian aid they choose and choke everything else off without engaging in house to house fighting.
So much for all that Hamas promised the people if that happens. Israel can sit back and reduce its own casualties as well as avoid “civilian” casualties while the people get sick of Hamas looking entirely powerless to provide any basic services at all.
good point bk and I was also reminded this am that
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, January 4th at 12:26PM EST (link)there have been no rocket attacks from Lebanon in the two years since Israel “lost” that war. That’s the kind of losses I like!
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George Claghorn Sunday, January 4th at 12:06PM EST (link)I’m especially disgusted by the MSM’s blatant and outright bias towards Palestine.
“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
I recommend as well! GC as usual well done!
JadedByPolitics Sunday, January 4th at 12:14PM EST (link)….
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Thanks other GC and Jaded and let me also address the allegation against me of being "monstrous" for advocating total war and
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, January 4th at 12:25PM EST (link)unconditional surrender by some here and on other sites, esp from those that make a huge distinction between Hamas and the Palestinian people, and esp after even my Darth Vader VP hero uttered a pc-ism on FTN this am that the Palestinians are “in some sense” victims of Hamas.
Poppycock!
They elected Hamas knowing what Hamas was and is.
Of course some of the Palestinians are victims. All the children are. But they have raised their children to view Jews as less than human and that they be eliminated.
The blood of any and all children and innocents killed by Israel defending itself are on the aggressor, just as was the blood of those we had to kill in WWII were on the Nazis and Japanese imperialists.
What is monstrous is to let this death cult live.
I was not one of those that bemoaned the Bush democracy project and that said “I told you so” when Hamas was elected.
Elections bring clarity. Precisely because Hamas was elected eliminates the argument that the Palestinian are victims of a tyrannical government. Hamas is the Palestinians.
Not All, of course for the logically challenged liberals that always come back with the lame argument that if just one sane Palestinian barber remains, that we can’t generalize…
Jesus help me!
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You sir need not address at all the bogus "monsterous"...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, January 4th at 12:31PM EST (link)allegation as there is a lot of that “bogus” crap being flung around….it is the MEN of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran who place their women and children in the firing line and in the homicide vests NOTHING anyone else says will change that KNOWN FACT!
Those animals count on the sympathies and weaknessess of their enemies for women and children to allow them to continue with their EVIL!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Thanks Jaded and it was mainly over at
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, January 4th at 12:54PM EST (link)race 4 2012 where there are many more regular liberal commenters.
We totally agree on this.
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I know but there has been a little flung here and there....
JadedByPolitics Sunday, January 4th at 1:00PM EST (link)and I will not defend my opinion on it….they are animals and must be CRUSHED!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
If in fact, the Palestinian people..
$peciallist Sunday, January 4th at 12:58PM EST (link)voted democratically and peacefully….they will have to live with the result…..but I never saw any purple fingers….too bad…lets get this over with
They had a free and fair election, but just didn't use the purple ink!-nt
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I thank heaven Israel...
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 4:03PM EST (link)…seems to have smarter and longer-term objectives than you, Mike DeVine.
the fact remains that you are not only irresponsibly generalizing, you are predicting the future with a very imperfect crystal ball (as so evidenced by Cockstradamus’ dismal 2008). As a liberal-turned-conservative, you claim to be familiar with the possibility of a strong argument to win over he who is deceived.
What’s the difference? What? Are the Palestinians too stupid to learn what’s good for them? Are they too fanatical? Is it a religious fervor that can’t be tempered by anything less than conversion that drives them to elect Hamas?
These are the arguments of someone who has never been to the Middle East, and has no interest in separating himself from his narrow-minded comprehension of the situation. Nothing personal, GC, I love your energy on other issues, but this time it is misplaced.
Sorry to harsh your mellow, fellow
zuiko Sunday, January 4th at 4:23PM EST (link)But anyone who has been around (in the Middle East or not) for just the past decade can see how their “smart long-term” appeasement strategy has worked out for them so far. Hopefully this signifies a change of strategy for them. It’s too early to see if they will do what is necessary.
And what’s with this Middle East travel obsession, anyway? Are you a travel agent? Or are you just really pumped that you managed to get cruise tickets on the Dignity? Hope they manage to repair all those holes in it before your sail date.
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Dang you beat me to that line by 3 minutes
Neil Stevens Sunday, January 4th at 5:35PM EST (link)So close…
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lol
MellowFellow Sunday, January 4th at 6:00PM EST (link)No, not a travel agent
just want to say that things are different when you look at them from the other side, that’s all.
We could say the same for ourselves . . . .
Steve W Sunday, January 4th at 7:19PM EST (link)How has the Republican’s appeasement (reaching-across the aisle) strategy over the past decade been working out for us?
Maybe it’s time to “bomb the hell out of ______”. (Insert your own appropriate appellation.)
The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas-a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.
- Ronald Reagan
The Democrats aren't training their kids to blow themselves up at the mall
zuiko Sunday, January 4th at 9:41PM EST (link)So the GOP situation doesn’t really seem all that comparable.
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
True - they're just teaching them to be victims
Steve W Monday, January 5th at 12:04AM EST (link)and suck the life’s blood out of the US. The destruction is only in degree - FOR NOW. They offer nothing except the demand to DO IT MY WAY - when, in either case it has been demonstrated for years that their way doesn’t, can’t and will NEVER work.
As your signature states - only FREEDOM can uplift a society, a nation, a family, the individual. Neither the Democrats, nor Hamas, offer freedom - just different forms and degrees of bondage and destruction.
I will agree, however, that this discussion should probably belong on another diary. Sorry.
The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas-a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.
- Ronald Reagan
Steve W...... 555555555 on your words.........
Kenny Solomon Monday, January 5th at 12:15AM EST (link)“True - they’re just teaching them to be victims…….and suck the life’s blood out of the US. The destruction is only in degree - FOR NOW. They offer nothing except the demand to DO IT MY WAY - when, in either case it has been demonstrated for years that their way doesn’t, can’t and will NEVER work.”
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+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” - a Rush caller (other Quotes)
Dude....all I had to do was google search for your Avatar...lol
$peciallist Sunday, January 4th at 6:10PM EST (link)one moment
for neil.....
$peciallist Sunday, January 4th at 6:11PM EST (link)too excited…
oh yes.....neil gets his badge!
$peciallist Sunday, January 4th at 6:17PM EST (link)dude…it was the first one on google images!
find mine nt
David Hinz Sunday, January 4th at 8:39PM EST (link)The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
You mean this one?
$peciallist Sunday, January 4th at 8:46PM EST (link)seriously….you are the TMR badge!….your capital avatar didn’t shrink to good….
too well...
NightTwister Sunday, January 4th at 8:48PM EST (link)Your fourth grade English teacher is cringing right now…
Get Connected in Colorado.
ROFL
David Hinz Sunday, January 4th at 9:57PM EST (link)next year
just kidding
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
hey....your funny...
$peciallist Sunday, January 4th at 10:27PM EST (link)he
I dunno but I laughed (but deeply troubled) by the context of this GC diary.
Rod_Patrick Sunday, January 4th at 6:25PM EST (link)Sometimes, GC’s style of writing is too unconventional to an ordinary reader like me.
Wrt the meat of the diary: The craziness of the Palestinians (particularly Hamas) is next to none. Such craziness is unfortunately “deadly”.
My question; Are the MSM just setting the stage for Immanuel (in behalf of his Big Boss O) to make a redux of his only (sham) achievement under the former Clinton Administration, i.e., a globally-televised and overrated handshake between Israel and Palestine (this time, Hamas) at the WH?
You guys defending Palestinians
itrytobenice Sunday, January 4th at 11:57PM EST (link)do realize (I hope) that even though Hamas didn’t receive unanimous support (though they did receive a majority) in the most recent elections, their next closest (and as far as I know, only) competition, Fatah, was just as murderously anti-Israeli as Hamas?
So there are really very, very few barbers. Mostly Pizza Hut bombers.
The problem with America is stupidity. I’m not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don’t we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
you got it gal and Happy New Year! - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, January 5th at 12:42PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
GC, you might like this piece from Pajamas Media
icbm Monday, January 5th at 1:12PM EST (link)(in case you didn’t already catch it on http://www.powerlineblog.com) which compares Hamas and Hitler and finds Hamas worse than Hitler in several respects (although obviously not worse in deed).
http://pajamasmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2009/01/04/some-differences-between-hamas-and-the-nazi-party-2/
Good article... thanks for the link (nt)
zuiko Monday, January 5th at 1:22PM EST (link)Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
GC, you might like this piece from Pajamas Media
icbm Monday, January 5th at 1:12PM EST (link)(in case you didn’t already catch it on http://www.powerlineblog.com) which compares Hamas and Hitler and finds Hamas worse than Hitler in several respects (although obviously not worse in deed).
http://pajamasmedia.com/ronrosenbaum/2009/01/04/some-differences-between-hamas-and-the-nazi-party-2/
thanks icbm - good one - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, January 5th at 1:34PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson