Yes, it is a long shot that we could make this bill acceptable, but it is not impossible and it is worth a try, but a real try would require drone like focus for the next two weeks.

We are too happy because of the minor victory in the House and movement in the Senate but danger of the parts of the bill that would likely survive esp if easily rolled repubs can survive, will all hurt us long after our

daschel glee

what matters is what becomes law and ruins peoples lives

I am reminded of those repubs that tell us “we survived the carter years”

survive?

germany survived wwii

get it?

izoneguy
You and others are the reason there are few conservative arguments worth a thing any more. Every counter argument about democratic anything is simply full of RNC talking points, meaningless words and phrases and sheer gibberish.

For example “pork” . Could you please enlighten us with an objective definition of pork? My guess is pork is whatever you disagree with in any particular bill. Or will you say you can’t define it but you know it when you see it?

Let me see, the stimulus bill in question is 638 pages long, so would you care to lie to us and tell us you have actually read the bill? While you are at it, tell us what percentage of the bill is pork and what percentage is stimulus.

Since you have read the bill are you in favor of the iron and steel provisions? Are you in favor of the prevailing wages rates requirements? Are you in favor of the accountability provisions in the bill or do you seek significant changes? Do you believe there is any stimulative effect in spending $350 mil in water shed and flood prevention operations? Can I assume you live in a desert state, or some place where flooding is not an issue?

How about commenting on the tax provisions as well and tell us what stimulative effect they will have. We should have a sustained and long debate about the Bill, but repeating something we heard on a talk show or a TV news program is no substitute for drilling into details and other sources to advance well reasoned opinions and/or fact based arguments.

So what’s my point? or points? First, read the damn thing and don’t accept as fact what any radio or TV person tells you without some independent verification. All sorts of misleading crap has gone over the airways about this bill, some of it half truths and some of it outright fabrication, and none of it any serious analysis of the many provisions in the bill.

Second you can be part of the problem or part of the solution, whining about pork, or whining about everything will get you exactly no where.

Third and last think for yourself, Limbaugh, Hannity, Lou, and a whole host of other talking heads, the talkocracy, care more about their ratings and their own pocketbooks than they care about mine or yours. To them we are basically chumps, drones who are supposed to run around repeating the crap they spout.

And do you really want to quote Ronald Reagan on the economy? President Reagan was certainly the Great Communicator, but even his most ardent fan would not call him the Great Economist.

Anyway since you seem to worship him, here’s something else from the Great Communicator:

Reagan vowed to reduce the Federal government and cut some cabinet departments. By the time he left office, he’d increased the government’s size and added a department.

Have you joined SOUR yet?

$800,000,000,000.00 divided by 300,000,000 people.

Then think about the mere interest on that debt. Think about taxes for the rest of your life, your kids’ lives, your grandkids’ lives to pay that back. Think of what that tax money COULD have paid for in the future, but won’t be able to because it will be unavailable.

Think about the fact that while you may be a taxpayer, a whole lot of your fellow citizens are not — kids, many elderly, the poor, the sick, etc. So you get to pay their share, too.

So what are you buying with your money? Are you really creating new jobs?

Left alone, the economy creates jobs all by itself. I am living proof of that

Do we need infrastructure spending? Yes. I’ll give you that. But what percentage of that $800 billion is going to infrastructure?

Hint: not so much. Go read what that $800 billion includes, and tell me if you want to pay for that? Tell me what is stimulative about it?

The current bill creates over 250 government “programs”. And we all know just how effective those are. They are also the nearest thing to eternal life you’ll see this side of the grave. They will help to set in cement the democrat agenda of social engineering — and entrenching special interests who vote democrat!

Do you really want to pay the democrats marketing bill for the rest of your life? Do you think the next generation should have to, as well?

and no, we can’t do both

we can’t even do one

But, as to your question. Study the stimulus bill in detail and write a blog a day highlighting egregious provisions.