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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2009/07/08/they-want-us-to-surrender/#comment-5735</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: marshmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>marshmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick Henry said it best......."Give me liberty or give me death."

I'm sure the democrats would love nothing more than to have us roll over and submit to their totalitarian authority.  Keep dreaming!
If the tea parties didn't tell them anything, maybe the melting phone lines in the House over Cap and Tax gave them some indication of what the American people are willing to do to save their freedom, liberties, and their country.  

America is the last frontier.  Unlike our founders, we have nowhere to escape to if we let allow our country to succumb to tyranny.  We must fight if we wish to remain free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick Henry said it best&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;Give me liberty or give me death.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the democrats would love nothing more than to have us roll over and submit to their totalitarian authority.  Keep dreaming!<br />
If the tea parties didn&#8217;t tell them anything, maybe the melting phone lines in the House over Cap and Tax gave them some indication of what the American people are willing to do to save their freedom, liberties, and their country.  </p>
<p>America is the last frontier.  Unlike our founders, we have nowhere to escape to if we let allow our country to succumb to tyranny.  We must fight if we wish to remain free.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and wouldn't need any more to be created! They were wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and wouldn&#8217;t need any more to be created! They were wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: jonreagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonreagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To your diary's point, I'm not just getting dizzy....it's more like whiplash.

Obama told ABC news on Tuesday that additional stimulus measures would be "counterproductive". On Wednesday, he told the G-8 Leaders that "the door must remain open to additional stimulus measures." Huh?

My sense is that these people are not only dangerous, but very, very confused at this point, and may well be coming apart at the seams. Similar confusion occurred early in the week when on Sunday, Biden gave the green light to Israel to attack Iran.... and on Monday, the State Department issued kind of a yellow light.....and on Tuesday, Barak himself threw up a red light (surprise, surprise). As all this incompetence becomes more evident, the public disgust grows, and poll numbers---like today's Rasmussen numbers---reflect an administration in trouble.

I am amazed that beginning with Romer last week, and then continuing with Biden and Laura Tyson this week, they're floating the idea of Stimulus II. That talk is actually going to give cover to Dems like Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu, who won't support Cap &#38; Tax OR Socialized Health Care as the deficit projections continue to worsen.  I firmly believe that the Stimulus II talk will derail both of these initiatives......and that's the good news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To your diary&#8217;s point, I&#8217;m not just getting dizzy&#8230;.it&#8217;s more like whiplash.</p>
<p>Obama told ABC news on Tuesday that additional stimulus measures would be &#8220;counterproductive&#8221;. On Wednesday, he told the G-8 Leaders that &#8220;the door must remain open to additional stimulus measures.&#8221; Huh?</p>
<p>My sense is that these people are not only dangerous, but very, very confused at this point, and may well be coming apart at the seams. Similar confusion occurred early in the week when on Sunday, Biden gave the green light to Israel to attack Iran&#8230;. and on Monday, the State Department issued kind of a yellow light&#8230;..and on Tuesday, Barak himself threw up a red light (surprise, surprise). As all this incompetence becomes more evident, the public disgust grows, and poll numbers&#8212;like today&#8217;s Rasmussen numbers&#8212;reflect an administration in trouble.</p>
<p>I am amazed that beginning with Romer last week, and then continuing with Biden and Laura Tyson this week, they&#8217;re floating the idea of Stimulus II. That talk is actually going to give cover to Dems like Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu, who won&#8217;t support Cap &amp; Tax OR Socialized Health Care as the deficit projections continue to worsen.  I firmly believe that the Stimulus II talk will derail both of these initiatives&#8230;&#8230;and that&#8217;s the good news.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that till now, it is not. But I think the real elephant in the room is the donkey with the big ears and his increasing ownership of this Great Recession, which will devastate his party in 2010, I am convinced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that till now, it is not. But I think the real elephant in the room is the donkey with the big ears and his increasing ownership of this Great Recession, which will devastate his party in 2010, I am convinced.</p>
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		<title>By: scottbomb</title>
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		<dc:creator>scottbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has always amazed me how Obama gets away with calling this "the worst recession since the Great Depression". Sure, it rhymes, but it's far from the truth and NO ONE, not even our elected officials, are taking him to task on this.

It seems that Obama would much rather we completely forget about that time (I don't remember it as I was only about 10 yrs. old and not paying attention to economics...). So here's the deal: keep comparing it to the Great Depression and the people will think about the beloved Roosevelt and his New Deal that saved America from starvation (as our history books say). This sets up Obama to be the "next Roosevelt." And remember, he acknowledges that the New Deal didn't end the depression but he says it was because Roosevelt didn't spend enough money...

Now, on the flip side of this coin, Obama would sure hate it if the 80's recession (and hence it's cure) was brought into the national conversation. So what's a teleprompter to do? LIE and say our current recession is "the worst since the Depression." And of course, the lap dog liberal media is more than happy to play along.

My question is, where is our party leadership? Why aren't they denouncing this garbage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has always amazed me how Obama gets away with calling this &#8220;the worst recession since the Great Depression&#8221;. Sure, it rhymes, but it&#8217;s far from the truth and NO ONE, not even our elected officials, are taking him to task on this.</p>
<p>It seems that Obama would much rather we completely forget about that time (I don&#8217;t remember it as I was only about 10 yrs. old and not paying attention to economics&#8230;). So here&#8217;s the deal: keep comparing it to the Great Depression and the people will think about the beloved Roosevelt and his New Deal that saved America from starvation (as our history books say). This sets up Obama to be the &#8220;next Roosevelt.&#8221; And remember, he acknowledges that the New Deal didn&#8217;t end the depression but he says it was because Roosevelt didn&#8217;t spend enough money&#8230;</p>
<p>Now, on the flip side of this coin, Obama would sure hate it if the 80&#8217;s recession (and hence it&#8217;s cure) was brought into the national conversation. So what&#8217;s a teleprompter to do? LIE and say our current recession is &#8220;the worst since the Depression.&#8221; And of course, the lap dog liberal media is more than happy to play along.</p>
<p>My question is, where is our party leadership? Why aren&#8217;t they denouncing this garbage?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ColdWarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>ColdWarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
I'm sitting here typing away trying to recruit conservative PCs online while watching "There's Something About Mary" on FX on cable.  

The Ben Stiller character was in jail in S.C. because of the rest stop arrest.  When he get's sprung from jail, there's a shot of him in bed with a great big "bubba" who has his around him.  On the wall is this graffiti:

"Go Gamecocks."

Had you seen this?

At any rate, thought you'd enjoy hearing about it.

Best regards,

Cold Warrior</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
I&#8217;m sitting here typing away trying to recruit conservative PCs online while watching &#8220;There&#8217;s Something About Mary&#8221; on FX on cable.  </p>
<p>The Ben Stiller character was in jail in S.C. because of the rest stop arrest.  When he get&#8217;s sprung from jail, there&#8217;s a shot of him in bed with a great big &#8220;bubba&#8221; who has his around him.  On the wall is this graffiti:</p>
<p>&#8220;Go Gamecocks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Had you seen this?</p>
<p>At any rate, thought you&#8217;d enjoy hearing about it.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Cold Warrior</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: antisocial</title>
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		<dc:creator>antisocial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that they have got power they have the best chance to implement the Agenda fully. They might not have this chance ever again. Lefties realize that. It is probably now or never for them to take total control. If they can get the population addicted to government assistance, get amnesty for illegals, get crap-and-tax in place, get free health care for slackers and get the agenda of green creeps in place it is going to be impossible to reverse course.... New deal was and is irreversible.... Once the Agenda is fully implemented power comes by default.

To top it all they have got a committed radical in place. Probably the first real communist since FDR.... Remember he wants to &lt;b&gt;remake&lt;/b&gt; America. "Never let a crisis go to waste"..... Who thinks the constitution is negative... it says what government can't do to you but doesn't say what the government must do on your behalf.... All the classic signs are there.

The only chance to stop this train wreck is 2010. If 2010 is not utilized for rescue it might be too late.

I am hoping he fails demonstrably (for a majority of population it takes too much to recognize failures...) and quickly... before 2010 elections...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that they have got power they have the best chance to implement the Agenda fully. They might not have this chance ever again. Lefties realize that. It is probably now or never for them to take total control. If they can get the population addicted to government assistance, get amnesty for illegals, get crap-and-tax in place, get free health care for slackers and get the agenda of green creeps in place it is going to be impossible to reverse course&#8230;. New deal was and is irreversible&#8230;. Once the Agenda is fully implemented power comes by default.</p>
<p>To top it all they have got a committed radical in place. Probably the first real communist since FDR&#8230;. Remember he wants to <b>remake</b> America. &#8220;Never let a crisis go to waste&#8221;&#8230;.. Who thinks the constitution is negative&#8230; it says what government can&#8217;t do to you but doesn&#8217;t say what the government must do on your behalf&#8230;. All the classic signs are there.</p>
<p>The only chance to stop this train wreck is 2010. If 2010 is not utilized for rescue it might be too late.</p>
<p>I am hoping he fails demonstrably (for a majority of population it takes too much to recognize failures&#8230;) and quickly&#8230; before 2010 elections&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but mainly to advance their agenda to affirm the truth of their Utopian religious faith in Man as God, and on that I agree that most on the Left are animated in that way to varying degrees. see here

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner~y2009m6d26-Do-Democrats-care-more-for-the-poor-or-their-Utopian-religious-vision</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but mainly to advance their agenda to affirm the truth of their Utopian religious faith in Man as God, and on that I agree that most on the Left are animated in that way to varying degrees. see here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner~y2009m6d26-Do-Democrats-care-more-for-the-poor-or-their-Utopian-religious-vision">http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1597-Charlotte-Law&#8211;Politics-Examiner~y2009m6d26-Do-Democrats-care-more-for-the-poor-or-their-Utopian-religious-vision</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>contradicting yourself in your comment re power given that it takes power to enact the agenda and given your acknowledgment they have "complete control" i.e. power?

I agree it is crucial we arrest the agenda advancement in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>contradicting yourself in your comment re power given that it takes power to enact the agenda and given your acknowledgment they have &#8220;complete control&#8221; i.e. power?</p>
<p>I agree it is crucial we arrest the agenda advancement in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: antisocial</title>
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		<dc:creator>antisocial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The assumption being the Dems (leftists and/or communists) care about power. No they don't. That is a typical characteristic of radicals. Agenda is more important than anything else. Now that they have complete control I don't think they are going to give up. Look at the rate the President is effecting the damage. Consider this.... It will take a very long time to undo the damage if at all all the damage can be undone.

Unfortunately 2010 might be the last hope.... People Power has to overpower the communists....

PS: If I remember correctly you came up with the term "Government Growthulus" for the 780 bn package. Don't change that. That is the most accurate term for that particular package.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The assumption being the Dems (leftists and/or communists) care about power. No they don&#8217;t. That is a typical characteristic of radicals. Agenda is more important than anything else. Now that they have complete control I don&#8217;t think they are going to give up. Look at the rate the President is effecting the damage. Consider this&#8230;. It will take a very long time to undo the damage if at all all the damage can be undone.</p>
<p>Unfortunately 2010 might be the last hope&#8230;. People Power has to overpower the communists&#8230;.</p>
<p>PS: If I remember correctly you came up with the term &#8220;Government Growthulus&#8221; for the 780 bn package. Don&#8217;t change that. That is the most accurate term for that particular package.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misery is about the only thing that was stimulated.</description>
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		<title>By: larueladue</title>
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		<dc:creator>larueladue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The true aim of the Left is not our surrender - their true aim is ultimately to dump our corpses into mass graves. 

In the end, they'll never stop until they achieve that, or until we wear them down to extinction, just like we did the (real) Commies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The true aim of the Left is not our surrender - their true aim is ultimately to dump our corpses into mass graves. </p>
<p>In the end, they&#8217;ll never stop until they achieve that, or until we wear them down to extinction, just like we did the (real) Commies.</p>
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		<title>By: pilgrim</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Obama tells a bunch of bankers that he is the only one who stands between them and an angry mob they should say something like this...
Sir, you are mistaken if you think you are a king addressing his subjects.  You do not stand between us and an angry mob in our Constitutional Republic.

When Obama says he will allow you to keep your doctor this needs to be said...
Sir, what divine right do you think you have to talk about allowing me to keep my doctor.  My keeping or discharging my doctor has always been my decision not yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Obama tells a bunch of bankers that he is the only one who stands between them and an angry mob they should say something like this&#8230;<br />
Sir, you are mistaken if you think you are a king addressing his subjects.  You do not stand between us and an angry mob in our Constitutional Republic.</p>
<p>When Obama says he will allow you to keep your doctor this needs to be said&#8230;<br />
Sir, what divine right do you think you have to talk about allowing me to keep my doctor.  My keeping or discharging my doctor has always been my decision not yours.</p>
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		<title>By: stang</title>
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		<dc:creator>stang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a word, no.To the left, political power is a zero sum game. They want it all and us to have none. The full context of your question implies that they will actually change their minds in accordance with the will of the people when in fact, such modifications of their positions are a deception intended to maintain their seat at the table until conditions are more favorable for their continued march towards tyranny.

As such, genuine compromise will never be possible with them. Their goals are antithetical to republican self governance. They are without honor, and are willing to lie, cheat or steal to advance their cause. They are enemies of the American people and the Constitution they swore to uphold and protect and must be treated as such. Their ideaology must be exposed for what it is, discredited and completely and utterly destroyed.

In a zero sum game, the stakes are nothing less than our survival. 

“We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.”

Winston Churchill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a word, no.To the left, political power is a zero sum game. They want it all and us to have none. The full context of your question implies that they will actually change their minds in accordance with the will of the people when in fact, such modifications of their positions are a deception intended to maintain their seat at the table until conditions are more favorable for their continued march towards tyranny.</p>
<p>As such, genuine compromise will never be possible with them. Their goals are antithetical to republican self governance. They are without honor, and are willing to lie, cheat or steal to advance their cause. They are enemies of the American people and the Constitution they swore to uphold and protect and must be treated as such. Their ideaology must be exposed for what it is, discredited and completely and utterly destroyed.</p>
<p>In a zero sum game, the stakes are nothing less than our survival. </p>
<p>“We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.”</p>
<p>Winston Churchill</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that advertises itself, thank God

Even Michael Jackson can't hide it.</description>
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		<title>By: Steph C</title>
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