Maj. Hasan as Anita Hill and Ft. Hood as Virginia Tech?


Has political correctness turned U.S. military bases into free speech, gun-free zones?

Before we address why an apparent anti-American subversive who frequently spoke in support of Muslim solidarity in jihad against the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq and, yet, was allowed to remain an officer in the U.S. military, DeVine Law Layman has a question for those with experience on military bases and any JAG officers within hearing of this rooster and Michael Ledeen’s voice:

Gun Control on Military Bases (?)
Lots of folks have wondered why there weren’t more soldiers with guns at Ft. Hood, and I’m one of them. Our younger Marine is home for the weekend from The Basic School at Quantico, and Barbara and I asked him if there were Marines with guns on the base. There are. Lots of them. And they move around all the time, checking places where Marines congregate, from classrooms to outdoor obstacle courses and parade fields and barracks. Apparently it occurred to the base commander some time ago that it was a bad idea to leave his men and women unprotected. (emphasis added?

Why would it take four long minutes to take down a mass murderer surrounded by hundreds of military officers on a U.S. military base? This is not the kind of competence and efficiency we are used to witnessing when our armed forces face the enemy off base? A spokesman for Fort Hood kept repeating that “they don’t carry guns in their home neighborhood”. What did he mean?

This incident reminds me of the Massacre in Blacksburg, made possible by Virginia Tech’s gun-free zone invitation to killers. What gives at Fort Hood? I’m asking.

So traumatized by racial epithets that he remains for eight long years?

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DeVine Law sees the formation of a not guilty by reason of insanity or “fighting words” defense for Nidal Malik Hasan emerging with family members’ and others’ alleged recollections of complaints from the killer about his traumatizing endurance of racial epithets beginning soon after September 11, 2009.

This reminds of Anita Hill’s last hour allegations of actionable “sexual harassment” against Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomasduring his nomination hearing. Ms. Hill was so traumatized by a supposed “pubic hair Coke can” joke that she followed him from job to job for as many years as Hasan kept drawing a check from a U.S. Army he loathed.

DeVine Law has another question for those with experience in the Armed Forces of the United States:

Is it hard to remove obviously dangerous, subversive members of the military from the non-subversive members? Are brigs still in use?

On the same day of the Fort Hood Massacre, Democrats in the U.S. Senate voted down a Republican proposal to include the following question on Census forms: Are you a U.S. citizen?

Has the same kind of political correctness that controls the ObamaDems of the Democratic Party, now disarm our Armed Forces from protecting themselves?

Serious questions.

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The real thing here gc is that the SoB survived.

mbecker908 Saturday, November 7th at 10:56AM EST (link)

So, we’re about to get the FullOprah™ treatment. This guy will be turned into a victim - and it’s already started - by the left. I can’t wait for his trial. Unlike the “Haditha Marines” whose innocence has been ignored by the media and the political establishment (not even GWB stood up for them against Murtha) this will be front page stuff for months.

He’ll go before a military court. He’ll certainly be found guilty of multiple counts of murder. Will he be executed?

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I have wondered if such an obvious candidate for a firing squad

Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, November 7th at 11:06AM EST (link)

will get it.

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I am sure there would be hundreds if not thousands of volunteers

izoneguy Saturday, November 7th at 11:09AM EST (link)

to carry out that sentence…..

That is if the guy lives long enough to even get court martialed.

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

I suspect that he won't live all that long

Richard Mullins Saturday, November 7th at 11:20AM EST (link)

but strange things have happened. Sending him to BAMC(the rooms are large enough to secure), they should keep alive long to hear why he did it. So sending by helicopter a good 150+ miles to keep him alive for a while was understood. Oh well, I can even think of where they keep this trash in(I know the New BAMC[I have to distinguish from the Old BAMC that still around but not a hospital] very well and get around the massive brick hospital).

BTW Mike, good diary again.

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Bureaucrats in uniform.

Achance Saturday, November 7th at 11:17AM EST (link)

Very little of the military are gun toters and correspondingly few really have the warrior ethic that we admire in the military. Yes, everyone does have to go through Basic and maintain some military readiness, but outside the actual guntoters and the men who lead them, the military is just another federal agency and its member are distinguished from other federal bureaucrats by the uniform and little more. I’ve worked around and with lots of retired military and they make just as good a slug in the workforce as anybody else except that many of them are very adept at and almost singly-mindedly committed to gaming the system to get another retirement vested.

If you’ve been a manager or supervisor in a government, Hasan’s story is an easy one to understand. First, he gamed not just a degree but also a medical doctor’s ticket out of the military, that’s seven or eight years of full time school, not soldiering beyond probably having to muster from time to time. Now, the Army has a huge investment in him and will be reticent to dismiss him because of that. Then, discrimination rules are viciously enforced in government bureaucracies because they are viciously gamed by bureaucrats. So, nobody would want to discipline him because the discrimination and harassment charges are almost automatic. And, frankly, if someone is a member of a protected class, the supervisor and co-workers are guilty until proven innocent. I’m frankly surprised that he has any negative appraisals. And since they knew they had a problem employee and they knew that they hadn’t effectively dealt with him and in the Obama climate probably could not effectively deal with him; Democrats fill the EEO slots first and give the EEO officers and investigators carte blanc to go after managers and supervisors, they were stuck with him. So, somebody in the chain of command got clever and decided to deal with him by palming him off on somebody else. The reason I’m surprised by the talk of negative appraisals is that usually supervisors give glowing appraisals to troublemakers to make it easy for them to transfer or promote. In this case, they apparently force transferred him out of the Walter Reed sinecure and into a combat unit thus making him someone else’s problem. Pretty standard bureaucrat fare and the reason there are so many whackjobs and incompetents in high places in government.

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awesome response Ac - exactly the kind of info I was looking for - nt

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Well I would sort of the same thing

Richard Mullins Saturday, November 7th at 1:01PM EST (link)

since I know things to be true on the acceptance of PC and other bad things. Personally, I see BAMC being the prison for Major Hasan at this point.

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Combat units and deploying units have an easier time eliminating personnel

Raven Sunday, November 8th at 10:55PM EST (link)

Not just from their units, but from the Army. They have More power than the EEO bureaucrats, in most cases.

Walter Reed is too close to D.C. The C.O. there would have been politically incapable of kicking him out.
Hasan’s new C.O. would not have. All he needed is the paper trail.

That happens all the time, too. And is almost Always the case when the former C.O. does not give a transferring soldier high marks.

“Unlike cruel liberty that requires you to stand and take responsibility for your choices, kind tyranny requires only that you kneel and surrender your choices.”

interesting - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, November 9th at 7:44AM EST (link)

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Robert E. Lee was allowed to resign his commission

David123 Saturday, November 7th at 2:50PM EST (link)

when his loyalty to his oath and to the United States became questionable.

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great point re General Lee, David123 - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, November 9th at 11:10AM EST (link)

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I suspect Hasan had a contract to serve a term

Achance Monday, November 9th at 11:18AM EST (link)

of years in exchange for all the government paid education. So, the issue wouldn’t be resigning a commission, it would be abrogating a contract.

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I suspect Hsan wanted to stay in and make the dough. The issue is why

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, November 9th at 11:35AM EST (link)

we didn’t separate an obvious dangerous subversive from the non-subversives.

Are you saying that we didn’t want to pay him for the balance of the K?

and btw, the comments and recco diaries aren’t showing up on my screen. Anyone else have that problem?

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There are two ads running on the site that cause my computer to not display them.

Achance Monday, November 9th at 12:28PM EST (link)

If either the one with the noses or the one about the tea party phone calls is up, my computer won’t display the Reccos, Red Hot, the diary list, or the comments. I just work around it by refreshing until there’s a different ad or going through My Profile or Recent Comments to get to things.

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An exacerbating factor

Uma Richie Saturday, November 7th at 4:55PM EST (link)

is that personnel turnover is relatively quick — assignments generally run from 18 to 36 months. Some are even as short at 12 months. In that timeframe, people change jobs within their commands due to promotion, reorganization, or a scheduled mid-tour move. So a whack job could conceivably work for three different people in 18 months and then move on to the next assignment. That leaves little time to discover a personnel issue and little incentive to deal with it.

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understood - nt

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We don't carry our personal weapons on base

Raven Sunday, November 8th at 10:51PM EST (link)

Not because we’re not allowed, for the most part, but because we feel safe there. We tend to leave our weapons in our rooms or houses when we’re on base because we feel safe. This is no longer the case.

Why were the soldiers in that room completely unarmed?
They did not have their Army issue weapons because those are kept under close guard. There is significant worry that someone might forget his weapon, leave it lying around or that someone might decide to sell “his” weapon.

“Unlike cruel liberty that requires you to stand and take responsibility for your choices, kind tyranny requires only that you kneel and surrender your choices.”

We're not allowed to carry privately owned weapons.

nilram Monday, November 9th at 12:54AM EST (link)

On Ft Hood we are not allowed to carry personally owned weapons on post. The only exception is when taking the weapon to a range and in that case the weapon must be unloaded and inaccessible i.e. in the trunk for vehicles having one. Furthermore any weapon stored on post ( in on post housing or the armory, soldiers are not allowed to store weapons in their barracks rooms) must be registered with the provost marshal. This policy was recently relaxed and now non-registered weapons can be transported from off-post to the ranges.

From what I understand these policies are not unique to Ft. Hood and are common to army posts.

What I find most ironic is that many of these soldiers who can’t be trusted to carry their own weapons are now standing guard outside the PX’s and commissaries with M-4’s. I assume they are loaded. I didn’t ask.

The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.
–Douglas MacArthur

Great info guys re Ft Hood and weapons carring policy on base - nt

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Disturbing Trend

hmtksteve Tuesday, November 10th at 6:02AM EST (link)

I am seeing a disturbing trend on the left in describing his reasons for going crazy and attacking soldiers.

The line used (several variations) is as follows: “Hasan was about to be deployed and he did not want to fight against arabs and muslims, people he identifies with.”

The problem with that line is that it is wrong. We are not in Iraq to fight against “arabs and muslims”. We are in Iraq to fight against extremists and terrorists. If Hasan was finding commonality with the enemy then he was finding it with the terrorists and not the average citizens!

The use of the above line is a bit of anti-war subterfuge. While it sounds good on the surface it is a misrepresentation of who we are fighting against.

Would we expect an [enter ethnic/religious group here] cop to not fight crime when it is purpetrated a member of the same ethnic/religious group? Of course not!

awesome truth! - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine Tuesday, November 10th at 2:24PM EST (link)

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