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How many Korans were burned when the Twin Towers fell

If only mosques would settle for burning Billy Graham books

Instead, mosques inside the United States and abroad planned every lethal terrorist attack on innocent Americans inside the United States and abroad, both before and after September 11, 2001.

You will usually find those stories on page A17 of the New York Times with no suggestion that their actions against America puts them in harm’s way.

Now enter a Christian Church in Florida, made famous by General David Petraeus, planning to burn Korans on the ninth anniversary of the 911 attacks that killed the 3000 and burned thousands of books.

Christians burn books. Muslims burn people

Mind you, the church in Florida is not planning to knock down Dubai Towers; Muslim embassies in Africa; defense ministries in Tehran; nor planes over Mecca via shoe or underwear bombers. The Floridians don’t seek to fund suicide bombers in Qum Pizza Huts nor recruit Crusaders to kill Muslims in Morocco.

Rather, the Protestants merely wish to protest the killing of innocent Americans by those that take the Koran literally by burning copies of that book, the consumption of which will not harm one hair on Osama bin Laden’s head.

Imagine how different the last 10-20 years would have been had mosques behaved as well as Pastor Terry Jones and the Dove World Outreach Center. Would the United States have deemed mosque burnings of The Book of Common Prayer and the Stars and Stripes as a provocation putting Muslims in the way of harm at the hands of American armed forces? Of course not.

911 put them in harm’s way

Nothing that United States nor any individual American or church has done justifies the jihadist attacks on us beginning with the Iranian hostage crisis through the Times Square bombing attempt.

Americans are in harms way because of a perverted death cult ideology supported by the words of the Koran and the history of Islam’s prophet of forced conversions and conquests. Osama bin Laden traces his justification for war against us back to Ataturk’s ending of the Caliphate and secularization of Turkey after WWI. He wanted Spain back in Muslim hands before American troops were parked in Saudi Arabia to prevent Saddam Hussein from making his country a domino after Kuwait.

Saddam’s wood-chipper prison etiquette

Weakness invites aggression, and the General’s elevation of a Florida church protest exudes the same kind of weakness as did the machinations in the aftermath of the Abu Ghraib renegade third shift.

At that time the mantra of the NYT was that those actions “put our troops in harm’s way.” I’ll never forget an interview with an Iraqi at the time who reminded that Saddam killed and maimed tens of thousands of political prisons with wood chippers in that prison while scoffing at the notion that panties on terrorist prisoner heads would shock the national consciousness.

General, the enemy laughs at us when you say such things. They know that 911 put them in harm’s way and that there is nothing we can do, nor refrain from doing, short of converting to Islam and submitting to Sharia law that will get us out of harm’s way.

Reading the Koran leads to burning infidels

I would not endorse the tactic of making clear our political revulsion with terrorists nor my Christian revulsion with false teachings concerning the eternal destination of one’s soul by burning books.

Rather, I would open up that book and have a public reading of the calls to kill the infidel that are preached in mosques everyday.

I would publish all the names of imams and mosques found guilty of funding and recruiting terrorists in America and quote Imam Rauf of Ground Zero Mosque fame saying that America was at fault in bringing on 911.

But if they insist on the Koran burnings, so be it, and then I would ask those Christians with the loudest voices against the burning to share with us the teachings of Christ about how one escapes the fires of Hell. If they refuse to quote Christ on anything but cheek-turning then I would suggest that they join a Kiwanis club rather than pretend they are in the soul-saving business.

Given our nuclear arsenal and massive conventional military power, what actually puts us in harms way is our Judeo-Christian values-inspired benevolence. Would Hitler, Stalin or Iran’s mullahs send in troops to turn Iraq into Connecticut rather than incinerate the whole damn joint?

America never gets credit for restraint, and believe me, Koran-burnings are restraint. If you don’t think so, go back and look at what a mosque did to Daniel Pearl.

Mike DeVine

“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

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  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    I think the Quran burning is a stupid thing to do. Not because of all the reasons given thus far, the inciting of terror acts, yada, yada, but the fact that those very people who bought the Qurans for the purpose of burning them to make some sort of statement are not only giving terrorists a ready made excuse (that they don’t really need anyway) but are also quite probably helping fund them.

    Consider: Someone somewhere had to print out those Qurans to be bought by someone else somewhere for the purpose of burning. The money used to purchase the Quran, some of it may go to moderate Muslims but some of it will in all likelihood go to fund terrorists.

    So the little church gets to stand on both sides of the issue. “We exercise our right to burn these books under freedom of speech, so here’s some money to pay you for your troubles.”

    Kind of a 60s mentality, wouldn’t you say?

    I mean, if they can’t at least consider the high road you outlined here, can they at least think about how stupid it looks to the average person?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    chooses to examine how many Korans were incinerated along with bodies at mosque-inspired and planned burnings. Others can flail away at the non-violent protest in Florida.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    How about we just consider it stupid from all angles (obsessing and actions) and be done with it?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Rather, thinks it provides an occasion to look at what actually does incite their violence and that the above never hold the enemy to the same standard of conduct as us.

    Who knows, maybe one day they will threaten to kill us over satirical cartoons of “The Prophet.”

    A symbolic burning of the evil book that inspired 911 seems increasingly not stupid the more I think about it and listen to arguments against it. I may have to amend my column to remove my inferences to the contrary!…smile

  • pilgrim

    Isn’t a theocracy a government that makes policy which are based on an overriding principle that one religion is respected above all other religions? Any signs of opposition to this one religion will lead to harsh penalties from the government to said protester.

    I don’t want to live in a theocracy. Public service announcements to be civil and respectful to all religions is a government policy I can endorse, but I do not like a government demanding respect and civility to only one religion.

  • Doc Holliday

    I want to know why ANYONE cares what a handful of people in Florida are going to do with a book. I want to know why we have the President of the United States and a General talking about this. Don’t people know that these tiny groups will pop up all the time now seeing the attention these Florida creeps are getting?

    I just can’t believe the most powerful nation in the history of the world is focused one what a few kooks plan to do. How do we know no one burned a Koran today? How do we know no one burned one last year? How do we know whether Bibles are being burned? I just can’t believe people are focused on this.

    I have an idea, I will pick out some random crazy guy in, say, Wyoming and we can all fixate on what he might do next week. Will he curse the Pope? Will he burn a Barbie Doll? The world must know before it is too late!

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    The book is just words that have encapsulated the evil of men; those who wrote it, interpreted it, and who live by it.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    All those leftists who place the asp of radical Islam on their breasts will feign such surprise when they get bitten.

    Or, moving from metaphor to reality, the men will get beheaded (or hanged) and their women-folk be treated as slaves and whores. I don’t think gay marriages and abortion will last long either, not to mention women’s rights.

    And as far as gratitude from the leftists for those guardians of our freedom who give their lives so that these leftist can turn around and despise them as “ignorant and bigoted Americans from fly-over country” – no such luck.

    We only know that for this season, the wheat and tares are allowed to grow together, but when the harvest time comes and the Lord of the harvest gives His instructions – that will be a fearsome time for the living and the dead.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    underscore. The gamecock is so blown away by this comment that he would be unable to announce the rising of the sun!

    more later

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • 6eorge Jetson

    A trophy mosque at Ground Zero? Why, there’s a constitutional right for that. But maybe I (Zero speaking) should try to walk back my seemingly strong Friday night endorsement of the mosque.

    A Florida Pastor is going to burn the Koran? Well, every senior member of the administration is going to have to try to convince that pastor not to do it.

    I was thinking this insult of the Muslim faith was wrong by and of itself. (Not because of the potential consequences.) But maybe Paster Jones is right. Psychotic, but right.

    Outing Obama without going through with it. total pwnage of pbama

  • JSobieski

    If it had been his plan, he would have framed his intentions and rights differently.

    The guy just wanted to burn a Koran (which he never read) because he thinks its evil. He never bothered to actually look into it though.

    What kind of person threatens to burn a book he never even bothers to read. Scratch that–actually that is exactly who burns a book

  • 6eorge Jetson

    I can’t say I know much about Jones.

    Perhaps they should just burn Rauf instead…

    Rauf! Rauf! Rauf is on fire…
    We don’t need no mosque let the…

  • realskinny

    burning a Koran as long as it’s being tightly held by some imam inside a mosque.

  • realskinny

    but Jefferson–desirous of thrift in government–had done about everything he could to prevent the building of the ships he sent to the Barbary Coast. All in all an excellent operation right up until the State Department signed a treaty agreeing to pay tribute to the pirates.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • minncon

    There’s nothing more to add!!!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    The main underlying purpose of this column is to USE THIS DRIVE-BY episode to re-direct it to what really matters, and it turns out that the lesson applies across party lines and ideologies, and if you know Gamecock well, then you know a final analysis of this sort is rare from me.

    This issue intersects with the cultural definition of who is “smart” as well as other issues. Its a target-rich environment, and what is being said of Jones was also said of Reagan and Palin…to differing degrees…

    Jones, who understands the evil and danger from the respect for the Koran and Islam and who is still properly and righteously angry at the enemy is considered a kook due to his form of suggested symbolic speech and grammatical errors, is called a kook and dismissed, while the majority in Congress and the President are considered less than kooks despite the fact that they haven’t learned those two vital lessons.

    The other thing that I think shows the lemming-like response of too many conservatives is the religion of making book-burning the worst crime since faux racism, in the context of symbolic speech.

    I have stated that I would prefer to publicly read the portions of the Koran that advocate killing the infidel, but you see, I didn’t have the courage of Jones.

    Moreover, for those that call him a kook for his fantastic justifications for his walk-back, should understand that (a) he walked back and (2) lib dems walk back worse things everyday.

    more later

  • BooBooKitty

    Tsk, tsk- just another conservative too stooopid to realize that radical Islam is all our fault. No wonder the world hates us! If drawing a cartoon of Mohammed is a killing offense then surely burning a Koran is an act of war and we must treat it as such.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    tear somebody else down and be compared to that strawman

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • BooBooKitty

    I feel so good I’m going to go out and buy another reusable shopping bag made for slave wages in an Chinese eco-disaster plant so I can sneer in good conscious at those paper and plastic types.

    This is fun!

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    As their natural enemies in this country are both people concerned about border security and Christians, then it is only natural they take up with the moslems.

    Nevermind they would be the first ones to get the ax if radical moslems ever took over here.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I think that was where I learned the basis of my comments in that Jefferson had been the leader of the small fed govt guy, religious rights in VA, no standing army and, as you say, long-opposed to a navy, yet, ended up building the navy and waging war on the pirates…and his change of heart was partially changed because of meetings with the jihadists in Europe while accompanied by Adams.

    If I remember correctly…

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
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  • cactusjack

    comprehend the last 5 minutes, such as 18-24 yr olds by and large who swooned and voted the 0. How many of them know – even the “history” grads what the first declared war of the United States was, and against whom? It was a very proud moment for the young US, when as a republic we parted company with the Europeans and said, “we’re not going to take this (the seizures, hostage holding, piracy in international waters, etc.) and just “ante up,” we are going to fight. And the war didnt go that well for a few years, but in the end, the trade treaties were negotiated essentially on our terms. Of course the Euros were quick to move in on our success and force renegotiate their status with the Barbary pirates. A darker view would be, from the moment we assumed our station among nations, essentially expanding over 2 centuries to the borders and ramparts of the British Empire, we were on a guaranteed collision course with radical Islam, even as the British had run up onto it in Afghanistan and in Pakistan. Another post for another day. But we started off on the right foot, if that was our future.

  • cactusjack

    try: Jefferson’s War by Joseph Wheelan, and also Six Frigates by Ian W. Toll.

  • cactusjack

    Britney Spears and she will be spared, having a secure future as palace entertainment, kind of the way Princess Leiea was chained to Jabba the Hutt.

  • pilgrim
  • ocleverone
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    had the word Barbary in the title…will look myself

  • realskinny

    but most recent was TO SHINING SEA, A History of The U.S. Navy. If I can find what box it’s in I’ll refresh my memory and get back to you. You’re right about Jefferson’s contacts with Muslims giving him a clear idea of how to handle them. Adams and Jefferson asked Tripoli by what right they made war on a nation that had done them no harm. Tripoli’s insolent response of how their religion compelled them to make war on non-Muslims could have been written by A-jad. The whole story of the First Barbary War reads like a real life Indiana Jones adventure. Visitors to Tripoli today can see the old fortress and port facilities—-nearly all built by Christian slaves from Europe and America.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    nt

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • tacoslayer

    Since apparently CW’s diary is no longer….

    No. I can not give you an example of a book that I consider evil.
    Anymore than I would consider a particular gun that is evil.
    Or a box cutter knife….

    Evil is a human attribute. The objects used to justify and/or perpetrate said evil are just that….objects.

    Nice diary btw….I always enjoy your work.

    PS….Gamecocks look for real this year!!….nice way to start SEC conference play!!

  • Beasley Beesmeal

    impeccable logic

  • mbecker908

    A gun or a box cutter is a tool, just like a hammer. They can be misused for evil purposes but are not inherently evil in and of themselves.

    A book, OTOH, is something meant to convey an idea or a POV. If the idea or POV is inherently evil then the book is evil.

    This is about the level of stupidity we’ve come to expect from you.

  • SteveLA

    mbecker

    Your comment of ideas being truly evil is something that I have problems with over the question of who gets to decide what is evil and what is not?

    Look back through history at examples of suppressed knowledge and writings in the name of some theocratic position or claim of heresy which failed in the end. If you don’t learn anything from history, learn that knowledge and ideas are very hard to suppress and suppression of ideas is not something to build a society on. Yes even ideas that you disagree with.

  • GregInFla

    was burned up in the World Trade Center towers on 9/11/2001. And the people danced in the streets in Islam-istan.

  • izoneguy

    9/11 Attacks – 102 Minutes That Changed America

    http://www.history.com/interactives/witness-to-911

    Watched this last night – a must see.

  • David123

    Don’t believe me, just ask King George III, Santa Ana, or Admiral Yamamoto how that submission thing worked out.

  • acat

    One key example that some regimes eventually figured out – suppressing knowledge directly doesn’t work, it tends to leak out, and it tends to get more corrosive.

    The better approach is to construct a narrative that renders the “dangerous” knowledge automatically suspect. That way, even if the suppression fails, the knowledge is mostly ignored anyway.

    Don’t think this is still happening? Look around.

    As for “ideas being evil”, I would argue that any idea that takes away the rights of another person is pretty damn evil, be it the idea of racism, place of origin, a strong nationalism, that non-adherents to one religion… anything that lets a person or worse, a group of people say “They aren’t like us, they are less than human” is inherently evil.

    Mew

  • SteveLA

    acat

    I’d probably agree with your definition of what constitutes “evil”, the problem though is who determines what is and isn’t evil? The Federal Board of Evil thoughts and writings or something, or maybe learned Theocratics that work to preserve their sense of right and wrong using the powers of suppression?

    I’ll stick with what the 1st Amendment and the courts which were established by the US Constitution say about how to sort these matters out. Maybe not a perfect answer but one that is much better than deferring to Sharia, Talmud, or literal Biblical interpretations of what is evil, moral or just.

  • acat

    (which, I have to admit, surprises me)

    I don’t particularly want any religion including the ones you mentioned but also radical gaia-ism, some of the extreme forms of humanism, scientology, or even atheism to be the “guiding light” for a society.

    As all of these religions, divinely inspired or not, are staffed, day to day, by human beings with some pretty deep flaws. The ideal society, for me, is one where much is permitted, so that followers of all those religions can get along.

    Mew

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    radical Islam evil or not? My two cents look like this.

    If you want to promote religious or political ideas that I disagree with that promote different concepts of G(g)od or the hereafter or different economic systems I could care less. Have at it.

    When you can justify killing me because I don’t subscribe to your belief system, whether it be praying five times a day facing east or giving the government control over the means of production, then I’m going to take a proactive stance and do everything I can to annihilate you. And I’ll do it economically if I can and physically if that is the only means available to protect myself.

    Radical Islam is – like Communism – an Evil Empire. The people promoting it are evil. The writings supporting it are evil. And just so there’s no mistake about my position, the only mistake we’ve made so far in the War on Terror – and I think it’s a big one – is that we have been too surgical. We haven’t fought anywhere near a “total war”. IMO, virtually all of Afghanistan and major parts of Iraq should look a whole lot like Dresden or Tokyo after Gen. LeMay got done with it.

    I could care less if they like us, or respect us, as long as they really, really fear us. And I don’t believe they they do any of those.

  • SteveLA

    mbecker

    Radical faith practices of any kind is something that I have problems with. Any faith that seeks to dominate others in the name of their professed better wisdom and faith is in my view un-American.

  • JSobieski

    Not saying we can necessarily always identify it correctly, but if you can’t at least in the abstract distinguish between ideas you disagree with (tax hikes) and evil (say, the torture of another human being for entertainment purposes), then I guess there isn’t much to say.

    If you get past that point, we get to issues of who gets to decide, what are the criteria, and what yout do with it.

    Sympathy for the Devil—best conservative rock song EVER.

  • SteveLA

    JS

    Sometimes what people claim is evil is probably it’s twin, just stupid, or based on stupid thinking.

    Torture of another human, interesting on what your definition of torture may be. The inquisition, being force to listen to Rap Music (ok being silly). I can justify torture as the Left defines it with water-boarding in the case of imminent danger to others, how do you judge that as “evil”, which it may be, but necessary evil. The execution of people for crimes, evil again, but necessary and just. LeMay’s fire bombing of Tokoyo during WWII, LeMay had interesting things to say about that, read his Bio and comments about war crimes.

    An interesting topic, what is evil, but in some ways the question is as much cultural as anything else.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    “Radical Christianity” or “fundamentalist” or even most strains of “evangelical” Christianity teach, in single syllable words, that if Christ is not your Savior you will spend eternity in Hell.

    While that profession may make “you” – a general you, not directed at SteveLA – uncomfortable or even offend “you”, it doesn’t motivate those denominations or sects to call for military style attacks on non-believers. Nor do they insist on following any form of “theological law” ie Sharia (sp?). You can certainly point to instances where civil law has been enacted based on an appeal to “morality”, and I would specifically exclude abortion restrictions from that, it’s a separate argument that I believe is best made on secular/scientific/constitutional terms, in every instance those “morality based” laws are codified in civil law and subject only to civil authority and can be changed or done away with through civil processes that exclude theologians.

    Your short answer, and probably your much longer answer as well, ignores the purely secular application of the two Evil Empires I noted above. The difference between the manifest Evil of them and religious/economic schools that offer you truth and a changed or improved life is that the two I cited will kill you in order to subjugate you and the goal of neither system is to “set you free” but rather to put you under the control of an all-powerful group and keep you there without regard to your desire or will.

  • tacoslayer

    LOL

  • tacoslayer

    We saw the effects of it 9 years ago yesterday. Anyone who commits acts of terrorism certainly qualifies as evil.

    But their use of a book, in this case the Koran, doesn’t make the book evil. It’s just a book ferfuksakes. Words on paper. No more. No less.

    Words have been used by zealots to justify acts of evil throughout history. Everything from holy books to Beatles albums. Does that make them evil?

    Were the planes used on 911 evil??
    What about the box cutters??
    Or how about the M16 rifle??
    Are they evil??

    I would agree that an idea can be evil. Ideas come from humans.
    Millions of folks read the Koran daily….and a hand full use it to as justification for terror. If the book were truly evil wouldn’t all Muslims be extremist??

    The Westboro loons use the Bible as their reasoning. Out of the million of folks that read the Bible daily a single inbred family of loons see it as justification to picket soldiers funerals parading signs that “God Hates Gays”. Does that make the Bible evil??

    PS…I know your one of the resident curmudgeons Becker. But you only make yourself sound like a sad lonely old man.

    Have a nice day now.
    :)

  • Bill S

    I don’t care if you munged the spelling. Don’t do it again.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    what they do. The Koran was written by humans. I think I get your analogy compares a book to other inanimate objects, but a book is more than a mere instrument. It contains human ideas, some of which are evil. Make better sense?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    he explained to Europe’s Left that what particular religious myth a society is based upon matters – all religions are not equal. amen

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    doesn’t change the fact of what the Koran says re PROSPECTIVE infidel killings.

    The Bible contains no such PROSPECTIVE admonitions.

  • JSobieski

    and the world of ideas in a way that a plane, a chainsaw, or a gun is not.

    If ideas cannot be evil, then evil does not exist. Evil originates in the mind.

  • JSobieski

    You definitely wouldn’t call her life decisions rational (unless you factor in the metaphysical) given what she put herself through.

    Radical faith does not equal violence.

    Mother Theresa did not try to dominate anyone.

  • JSobieski

    Many times evil is the opposite of stupid, it can be quite clever.

    You really do duck the issue, even in the abstract.

    I am not talking about our ability to correclty identify evil in an accurate way, I simply asked about whether you think evil exits.

    I am taking your answer to be no.

  • stephaniet

    They told people about their plans.

    What they *should* have done was have a big church-wide hog roast, where the last log thrown on the bonfire turned out to not be a log at all. No publicity, no problems. They could have gotten their satisfaction quietly, and we could all move on to more important things like, say, the Christian man in Egypt who was BURNED ALIVE…

    And, yes, I did say “hog roast” on purpose. I was told recently that Korans only burn well if you dunk ‘em in bacon grease first.

  • aesthete

    Bad ideas should not be banned, nor should the people promoting these ideas necessarily be “purged”: in addition to the questionable morality behind such thinking, it is counterproductive (see Tibet and the Dalai Lama, sympathetic figures despite the fact that their country and philosophies are horrifically totalitarian). However, they should be confronted head-on: something that neither Democrats nor Republicans (who have ducked the debate on radical Islam in favor of a discussion on “terror”) are willing to do.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
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