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Gamecock Open Thread: Who is Perry supporters’ Second Choice

This former Rick Perry supporter recently announced his post-vulture Bain capitalist-attacks decision to express my preference that Mitt Romney (in a close call over Rick Santorum, with Jon Huntsman now a distant third for me) win the South Carolina primary as I think it critical to the conservative movement that a win my native state not be attributed to anti-capitalist, class warfare-aiding attacks. I think a win by either Newt Gingrich or Rick Perry would be bad for the movement.

I also think that Florida has now edged S.C. as the most important Republican Party contest.

My question to current Perry supporters is who they think is the second best choice.

 

COMMENTS

  • ceili_dancer

    I really won’t have much of a choice this year. :(

  • SoFiMil

    I’d be very interested in seeing who Romney supporters would have as their second choice. I did a half-earnest Internet search a few days ago and couldn’t find any polling data.

  • shinglejim

    As a Perry supporter, I have no second choice at this time. I’m really not pleased with any other candidates. I’m one of those that prefers a governor as a candidate, so that rules out half of the field for me.

    And whereas you feel a win by Gingrich or Perry would be bad for the movement, I feel the same way about a Romney win. I believe his flyers on Perry’s position on social security were worse than any Perry comments on Bain. As I stated in my recent diary, I think you can question the methods used by Romney in the practice of capitalism, and still believe in capitalism. However, i think Romney’s statements regarding Perry and entitlement reform were flat out lies.

    I won’t bother with my other reasons as they’ve been frequently stated by others on this site.

    Just my two cents. Take it for what its worth, although its probably not worth two cents.

  • pttx333

    I will remain a Perry supporter all the way.

    Sorry … can’t help you here.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    As a Perry supporter I also have no second choice at this time, though I’d vote for Santorum, Paul, and Gingrich before I voted for Romney. Of those three, I probably like Santorum the most.

  • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

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  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    his desire to compromise with Democrats. As you may know, my current preferences have flipped since the beginning of the process several months ago, when I first supported Cain until he showed intentional, laziness/ignorance of so many issues and took the military option off the table re Iran’s quest for a nuclear weapon.

    Then I endorsed the man I thought was the best candidate by far on reliable conservatism, and with executive experience and a tracK record, i.e. Rick Perry.

    The remaining order was: Newt, Romney, Santorum and Huntsman.

    The nature and timing of the Perry/Newt Bain attacks and the integrity on that issue at this time and substantive arguments on trade and taxes caused me to reduce those I could support to Romney, Santorum and Huntsman.

    more later

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    How could you put in office a man less likely to deter enemies than even Obama? You know that Congress can’t force a President to DO anything to defend us. They can only stop him with purse strings. How could you put Ron Paul ahead of Mitt Romney? How, pray tell!

  • trevorb

    hypothetically, what would you do if Perry dropped out? Not that I think he will, least not for a while, but I am curious.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Whew…I feel better…truly.

  • chbroussard

    would be like choosing between a colonoscopy or a wisdom tooth extraction, both being performed without anesthesia. I guess in the long run my second choice will be the lesser of the evils. That being said, whoever the Republican nominee eventually is will have my vote in the general election. .

  • pttx333

    come to that particular bridge, so I haven’t the foggiest. I do know, however, who I would NOT vote for! That narrows it down to a more respectable size! ;-)

  • Tbone

    Living in California it really doesn’t matter whether I vote or not.

    The fact that voters in the early primary states are too stupid not to vote for a successful, conservative governor means that their doubtlessly, mentally deficient offspring are going to get to suffer the consequences of 4 more years of King Berry who is going to take apart Mitt the Gecko like a Bain bought company.

    The way I see it, they got it coming.

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    Newt is past only Paul, but anything short of Perry or huntsman, we likely see Obama in through 2016

  • trevorb

    I have two people on that list. Let’s see how Perry does at the debate tomorrow night. I think he’ll do well, but he’s really got to knock it out of the park.

  • quill67

    Besides his policies… It was that he did not attack–the Democrats were his friends, it would not be polite to attack.

    Did he bring up Obama’s connections to radicals? No. Too rough.

    Did he talk about how Bush tried 17 times to put a stop to Fannie/Freddie abuses? No. He could not speak ill of his colleagues.

    So I pick the guy who will fight. When squishy Republicans said in hushed tones “Don’t talk about Obama being a Food Stamp President that is too rough.” Gingirch did.

    Or when many Republicans were saying things like “I respect their right to protest” referring to the OWL crowd. Gingrich was saying “Go home. Take a shower get a job” or “Did they ever stop to think who is paying for the park in which they are protesting?”

    It has to be Gingrich. We might like how he fights on every single attack, but if I not looking for someone to have lunch with—

    I am looking for someone to F-I-G-H-T for us. Romney looks pretty and his says things I like to hear but his record and use of words lets me know he has not changed. He will not fight for us. Gingrich will.

  • texastaxpayer

    The Republic of Texas….

  • buster93

    Being a Texan and very pleased with the state and our Great Governor I will tell you this I have no 2nd choice.It is Rick Perry that is it.
    Look I was Reaganized back in 1980 and Rick Perry is it for me.
    It is interesting to me that a Republican Congressman is putting together a bill to have a part-tme Congress, Rick P’s talking point. As well as Obama geting rid of some Federal Agencies today. Shrinking Government novel I think Rick Perry is the one with a proven leadership. With 24-7 media and you-tube to look and debates and basically being muzzled by the media and the Republican party . I find out I can’t vote for leftovers.
    Rick Perry 2012 or Rick Perry 2016

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    more and more later

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    if they had been first and/or second, despite Perry’s poor debate performances? This question goes almost

    (there is one more thing more important, i.e. the harm to the conservative movement if a major GOP primary win is attributed to attacks on “vulture” capitalism)

    to the heart of my defense of my recent Romney settling: Isn’t it important that the candidate have better campaign skills and isn’t he much more responsible for his poor showings than the voters?

    Seriously, how many states would Perry have won if they had replaced Iowa or NH, despite Perry’s “gaffes”? I wonder.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Yes, I loathe his reach across the aisle rhetoric. But he does call out Obama on domestic and foreign policy failures and on American Exceptionalism very well.

  • pttx333

    n

  • Tbone

    As for the stupidity of voters, look how they flitted from Bachmann to Perry to Cain to Newt to Santorum and now to Romney.

    Perry was correct in attacking Mitt the Jackal on the nasty way he made his millions. Nature needs scavengers. It doesn’t mean we have to like them.

    You are letting fools guide you. Don’t you feel a familiar hand on your shoulder?

  • jakeofalltrades

    Half of them have an IQ at or below 100, and a bunch of the ones above 100 get upset on philosophical grounds and stay home, thus hastening the rise of the Idiocracy.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Although the most to be pitied is Virginia. They get to choose between Scylla and Charybdis

  • jakeofalltrades

    I even have His bumper sticker on my office door. After all:

    Why choose the lesser evil.

    When He rises from the Pacific Ocean and takes the oath of office, He will drive all of humanity murderously insane and then eat them.

    His supporters receive His greatest blessing: we will be eaten first.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    very persuasive

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Would he like to buy a vowel?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    preferable!…smile

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Unless a candidate has locked up the nomination before Cally’s primary, then Perry supporters could still go to the polls from Sacramento to San Diego and give Perry the victory? Its all up to Perry’s supporters and “true” conservatives. What the candidate says and does in the campaign and their prior performances matters not! Those were stupid states.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    More seriously, So jack’, given the stupidity of voters after 5000 years, shouldn’t conservative realism inform choices they should advocate at particular stages of a campaign? I think so and you affirmed it.

  • paladin1

    texastaxpayer’s; the Republic of Texas.

    My third choice is Gingrich because at present, he despises Romney to the point where I can see him bear-hugging him and jumping down an elevator shaft.

  • jakeofalltrades

    More like counterculture.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • trickamsterdam

    Who I’m guessing eventually grew up and had to get a job…and became a conservative.

    Why do I suspect there’s a Ron Paul 2008 tee-shirt hidden somewhere in a closet (which perhaps can get good use whenever it’s time to paint the house or wash the dog).

    Well, this explains a lot about your posts. Eventually everything is revealed to the patient. And indeed…patience is a virtue.

    Maybe you’re not as unfunny as I originally thought…I’m kidding. ;)

  • Tbone

    Try to keep up.

  • jakeofalltrades

    And yes, the stupid will suffer the most. The rest of us will go to Mexico for our health care.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    my bad

    I’m really tired lately for a good reason…more legal work and income…praise God?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Teen years turned to Jimi Hendrix, Led Zep, The Who and Black Sabbath. Rock died in 1980. REM was ok and even some country. Nirvana resurrected Rock. Loved Alice in Chains and Soundgarden.

    Then turned 40 and now love Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye and the Marshall Tucker Band.

    tastes vary…smile

  • evilleramsfan

    to split the vote and force a brokered convention

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Just root for him to win outright.

  • mikeymike143

    but my candidate of choice is rick santorum.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    to mind. Another false assumption: That seriously flawed candidates after all these months and Iowa and NH, can be rehabilitated by activists.

    I SOOOOO wanted Perry to be the man. He failed. Bachmann failed. Cain failed.

    No Reagan ran.

    Reality.

    I would admit this: Maybe I should have endorsed Santorum and urged a conservative coalesence. I’m being honest RS friends. But don’t act like my recent column means that I am not extremely disappointed that one of our own, i.e. a tea partier conservative for drastic change, is not poised to win the nomination. I am.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    That’s the thing. This never was anyone-but-Romney, Conservative vs Establishment.

    If it had been, Romney would have been toast.

  • snowshooze

    He is still in blackout. They refuse to utter his name… they know to speak of him… is to empower him.
    He whom shall not be named. Their worst nightmare.
    It might work.
    But it is not a failure on his part.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I guess I do think that tea partier conservatives really ought to coalesce around him now. My Romney endorsement column was 90% about how poor have been the candidacies of the non-Romneys and yet I am vilified for Mitt’s baggage when all the candidates have non-tea partier baggage.

    But I have come to greatly respect Santorum for his integrity and character, especially now that he defended Bain and denounced the attacks on same, when he was the one best positioned to benefit from same, AND

    He is persuasive on his call for a major increase in the child tax credit/deduction?, trade policies and manufacturing emphasis.

    more later and thanks for your comment

  • snowshooze

    nt

  • snowshooze

    I would have put forth my dog, but my dog didn’t suffer over 6 hours on the roof of the car going down the freeway… so my dog defers to Romney’s dog.
    He told me so.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    woof

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    intee

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    It will disappoint this Sandlapper if his native state hands a victory to Newt. But I guess it could happen.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    You have so much more to offer to the conservative zeitgeist!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    just saying

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    add salt

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Arrived where, I have no clue.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    thx for weighing in guy

    that made my day

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I might as well answer GC’s question.

    I’m biased toward Gingrich because I remember January 1995, and it happened when I was an impressionable teenager.

  • snowshooze

    What kind of idiot does it take to strap his dog to the roof of his car?
    Is this the idea of the leader of the free world???
    On this one point alone…
    I submit the man is a complete buffoon, at best.
    And those running to defend him from his actions at BAIN…
    Are you serious? Reeeely?
    Lookit… you can BS some da people some da time.
    But when you start buying your own BS…
    You have a serious problem.

  • snowshooze

    I agree.
    And he is hell on wheels in a barroom brawl.
    You’d be lucky to even be able to FIND Romney in one. He’d get scarce.

  • trickamsterdam

    Or someone a lot better, like a Paul Ryan…he’s a legitimate bridge between the Tea Party and the Establishment.

    But if you get Mitt, you probably get a better VP, and cabinet, than you would have gotten if he just won the nomination naturally.

    Not only that, if he were to end up the nominee, you would’ve kept the D ads off his back until after the convention (whereas they start immediately if he wins SC and FL).

    What’s the downside, really? That’s m;y question.

  • snowshooze

    He has the money. He has the second or third generation political machine. He can pull the favors and trades.
    Nobody has to show their hand in a brokered convention.
    And they won’t.
    And the highest bidder is…Mitt!
    No-win.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    It doesn’t. Legally, it can’t.

  • trickamsterdam

    promise a job (the trouble they got in w/ the D who was running against Toomey, and Pres Obama had tried to bribe the D not to primary Spector, w/ a job).

    But it’s hard to believe for instance (this is purely to explain the point, not to suggest the positions) that you couldn’t offer…R. Paul Sec. of Tres., Romney VP, Santorum AG, Newt Sec. of State….again don’t focus on whether they’d be good in those positions, so much as the point, that they could be offered those for their delegates…I can’t believe horse-trading like that couldn’t be done.

    Some would say: that’s precisely why we don’t want a brokered convention. OK, fair enough, if you think that way. But I think it would probably produce a better cabinet…certainly there’s little chance it would be worse (although, anything’s possible).

    Look, a brokered convention is a long shot…but my main point is, if it’s Romney, it would be Romney anyway…if it’s not, I think we get someone better (e.g. Paul Ryan, M. Rubio).

    And I really don’t think it hurts Romney if he’s the eventual nominee. It could keep the D ads off his back until after the convention. If it doesn’t…well, it was all going to happen anyway.

  • snowshooze

    Then you win.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    If the crowd is on your side then you don’t need a “brokered convention.”

    When you have to resort to procedural gimmicks then you must think you don’t have the votes.

  • snowshooze

    Has no context here.
    President picks his preference later. Nobody has jack to say about it.

  • trickamsterdam

    But, fine. I say if it’s a brokered convention you get Mitt Romney or someone better…and you say….we don’t want that choice.

    I have no doubt you’ll both get your wish. Although, why, neither of you ever explained to me.

  • evilleramsfan

    if there are any conservative altervatives left, ill vote for them. If mittens is inevitable, i will at least vote for someone who will push for a conservative platform at the convention.

  • SoFiMil

    I too wish Mitt would flip, especially on his continued endorsement of MA healthcare.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    I don’t trust Romney. AT ALL, on any issue. At least I can trust Paul to say what he means and mean what he says–similar, no doubt, to President Zero, but at least we know what to expect from them; they won’t stab America in the back with some disastrous flip-flop–on ANY issue. That doesn’t mean I like Paul–I don’t. What it does mean is that I like Romney even less.

    I detest Romney–and by that I mean that I don’t trust him in any political sense whatsoever. If I were a Virginian I would either pull the lever for Paul as a protest vote or stay at home. Voting for Romney wouldn’t even be on my radar screen. I don’t think we should simply sit back and vote for someone because the Republican Party tells us to. Nothing will ever change in the GOP if we don’t draw the line somewhere. So I’ll stick with the Not-Romney candidates, and if that means Romney is the candidate, then so be it. There’s conscience involved here!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    .

  • David_Rasbold

    nm.

  • westcoastpatriette

    I am too disgusted with you, GC, to cooperate with you in any manner.

    Not sure what you expect from people on this site. Not only do you (once again) turn on Perry in an unreasonable manner, but then you rub it in our faces by declaring your new-found devotion to Romney.

    Do you like drama? Are you into negative attention seeking? Really, Mike, just what are you trying to achieve by engaging in this in-your-face flip flopping — here at RS? It seems you are intentionally trying to offend people here…either that or show off your superior intelligence. Why shouldn’t we be insulted by your new-found judgment of Perry and Newt and what are we to make of someone who knows most of the people on this site despise Romney and yet you now tell us he is the best choice in the race?

    Sometimes, I think you have not yet recovered from being a die-hard liberal all of those years. Your propensity to make people into victims and allow pity for them to influence your thinking is still alive and well. (Poor Romney…being so falsely accused again.)

    More later.

  • pttx333

    I agree with you. In fact, you brought up some points that I had not thought about regarding GC’s self-inflicted confusion. I do hope he finds someone he can finally be happy to support, but, alas, I’m just not so sure that will ever happen.

    Guess it is hard for me to understand since I’m a dyed-in-the-wool, unwavering Rick Perry supporter and have never given a thought as to anyone else. If I’m ever forced to look in another direction, then I will do so, but that time has not arrived.

  • dpmapper

    If Romney voters are still with Romney after they’ve heard the Bain attacks, most of them must think the Bain arguments are unfair, so they won’t gravitate to Newt or Perry. Generally Mitt cleans up among the voters who care about electability, so they’ll choose between Huntsman or Santorum.

  • westcoastpatriette

    and, initially, I was going to pass on saying anything. But the audacity it took to write this diary got the better of me and I figured he asked so I’m gonna answer.

    Sometimes I really like Mike’s writings but this is not the first time he has gone over the edge and beyond rationality when trying to confront what he thinks is an injustice of some sort. I really do despise the pity game and I meant what I said about GC being drawn to defending people he thinks are being victimized. Only problem with that is when he does it, he blinds himself to seeing the full picture accurately.

    Anyway, another day in another bizarre and frustrating primary election.

  • Wayne

    his forces to appear moderate to independents and takes credit for so much he has no right to claim, the bickering among the right and conservative independents will play right into his had.

    The establishment manifested in the Republican Party has wanted Romney all along and continue to telegraph to the rank and file that they should “get in line or face the consequences”. And, the conservative community is in such disarray that someone of Obama’s skill should be able to take full advantage of it.

    Perry is the sincere voice of real change dedicated to improving America’s declining economic status. I have been and will remain a Perry/Newt supporter until I have no choice but to vote in the general election for whomever the RP selects as our candidate.

    That said, if the perception that the economy is improving (as false as that is in reality) and our President manages to sustain that smoke and mirrors magic trick through the election, it is quite possible that we will wind up with another 4 years of an Obama presidency. After that, the country will be ready for a conservative President, house and senate.

    It’s the economy stupid, will be the battle cry from here on out. Perry will try to reduce the scope and size of the federal government and deficit spending if given the opportunity. But, anyone who thinks that a President can do it on his own, is simply deluded.

    This is our one and only chance to avoid another 4 years of disastrous lack of leadership. If we fail here and now, our collective fates are sealed.

    Sorry for the rant, but this is an open thread!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I trust Ron Paul. I trust him to do what he says and gut the military, including the US Navy and our ubiquitous presence around the world that makes free trade possible and that deters threats against us.

    But I respect your conscience. I have to say that the only choice among this crowd that would violate mine would be Ron Paul. All the others have become unreliable conservatives in my eyes to varying degrees, with Perry and Newt’s being particularly disturbing of late as a win by either in SC would be seen as an affirmation of the legitimacy of their attacks on Bain.

  • salj

    Is very smart, he’s not deceitful,he’s not afraid to speak the truth and he won’t lead this country away from the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.

  • pttx333

    thing in writing. Maybe GC will read it and see what he is doing. I particularly don’t understand how you can support a candidate (Perry) one day and gut them the next day. Fine … if you change your mind, okay, but don’t bash the one you just spoke of so fondly. Those who are still sitting on the fence are probably dizzy from all of the back and forth, not to mention more confused than they were initially.

    Yeppers, friend, they don’t call it the silly season for nothing! This is going to be written up in history as one of the most insane primaries ever – with egg on all our faces, even on those of us who have not participated in the insanity of jumping ship for the latest flash in the pan.

  • lizzie

    copied in it’s entirety, because I can not believe how anyone can defend Romney on ANYTHING, but to discount the ONLY two electable candidates – in ALL FIFTY states – Perry and Gingrich – for critiquing Bain is beyond my comprehension.
    The GOP really is going to hand re-election to Obama on a silver platter. I can not even protest vote Romney, either Dr. Paul, or Santorum.

    “Felix Salmon: How Capitalism Kills Companies”
    http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2012/01/salmon-capitalism-kills/
    By John C Abell Email Author January 14, 2012 | 8:47 am |

    “As Mitt Romney cruises to his inevitable coronation as the Republican presidential candidate, increasing amounts of attention are being focused on his history at Bain Capital, where he made his fortune. Did he create 100,000 jobs, as he claims? Or is he a vulture and asset stripper?

    Glenn Kessler has the definitive take on the job-creation claim, which he says is ?untenable?; as he says, Romney?s method of counting jobs created when he wasn?t at Bain or when Bain wasn?t managing the companies in question doesn?t even pass the laugh test. Meanwhile, as Mark Maremont documents, Bain-run companies ? even the successful ones ? have an alarming tendency to end up in bankruptcy. And I think it?s fair to say that bankruptcy never creates jobs, except perhaps among bankruptcy lawyers.

    Few senior executives, when debating options for a technology company in decline, admit defeat and run it modestly. Instead, they cast around for businesses to buy, or try to hurdle the chasm with what they have got.The reality is that Romney would have been in violation of his fiduciary duty to his investors had he concentrated on creating jobs, rather than extracting as much money as he possibly could from the companies he bought. For instance, Worldwide Grinding Systems was a win for Bain, where it made $12 million on its initial $8 million investment, plus another $4.5 million in consulting fees. But the firm ended up in bankruptcy, 750 people lost their jobs, and the US government had to bail out the company?s pension plan to the tune of $44 million. There?s no sense in which that is just.

    Romney?s company, Bain Capital, was a ?private equity? firm ? the friendly, focus-grouped phrase which replaced ?leveraged buy-outs? after Mike Milken blew up. But at heart it?s the same thing: you buy companies with an enormous amount of borrowed money, and then dividend as much money out of them as you can. If they still manage to grow, you can make a fortune; if they don?t grow, they?ll likely fail, but even then you might well have made a profit anyway.

    Private equity companies need growth, because they?re built on the idea of buying, restructuring, and then selling. They?re never in any business for the long haul: instead, they want to make as much money as they can as quickly as possible, sell out, and keep all the profits for themselves and their investors. When you sell, you want to maximize the price you can ask ? and the way to do that is to show healthy growth. No one will pay top dollar for a company which isn?t growing.

    Private equity is by no means unique in this respect: it happens at pretty much every public company, too. John Gapper had a column this week about the way it destroys values at struggling technology companies:

    Most public companies are run by people who hate folding ?em, and instead keep returning to the shareholders and bondholders for more chips?

    Few senior executives, when debating options for a technology company in decline, admit defeat and run it modestly. Instead, they cast around for businesses to buy, or try to hurdle the chasm with what they have got. Sometimes they succeed but often they don?t, wasting a lot of money along the way.

    It goes against their instincts to concede that the odds are so stacked against them that it is not worth the gamble. Mr. (Chairman/CEO Antonio M.) Perez would have faced a hostile audience if he?d admitted it to the citizens of Rochester, Kodak?s company town in New York, but its investors would have benefited.

    At many companies, then, both public and private, the optimal course of action is a modest one ? run the business so that it makes a reasonable profit, and can continue to operate indefinitely. If you chase after growth, you often end up in bankruptcy: that?s one reason why the oldest companies in the world are all family-run. Families, unlike public companies or private-equity shops, don?t need growth: they?re more interested in looking after their business over the very, very long run.

    There?s no limit at all to the amount of growth that the public companies will demand: in 2007, for instance, after a year when Citigroup made an astonishing $21.5 billion in net income, Fortune was complaining about its ?less-than-stellar earnings?, and saying ? quite accurately ? that if they didn?t improve, the CEO would soon be out of a job. We now know, of course, that most if not all of those earnings were illusory, a product of the housing bubble which was shortly to burst and bring the bank to the brink of insolvency. But even bubblicious illusory earnings aren?t good enough for the stock market.

    If you want to be fair to Mitt Romney, you could make the point that many of the companies he bought were highly risky, and would probably have gone bust anyway; in that sense he can?t be blamed if they eventually did just that. If a company is going to fail, you might as well squeeze the maximum amount of money out of it before it does.

    But doing that, at the margin, means more job losses, quicker job losses, and ? as we saw at that steel company ? a willingness to underfund staff pension plans and stiff the government with the bill. Mitt Romney turns out to have a personality which is highly suited to that kind of ruthlessly callous behavior; that?s how he became so incredibly wealthy. It?s an ugly part of capitalism; it might even be a necessary part of capitalism. But the one thing you can?t do is spin it as a great way of creating jobs. ”

    good thing I have more snow to shovel – and ice to chop to vent my anger at Republicans for being stupid enough to give us Bush43 which is how Obama got elected, and now you are insane enough t o think Romney or Santorum can win? I can’t think of a single state they will win.

    As of now, I am only sure that Obama will win Vermont, but Romney or Santorum will guarantee the dems get four more years in the Senate and a mandate for Obama.

    You just – signing off.

  • texashistorian

    appears to be Mitt’s electoral model. Ran as a conservative, the heir to Reagan’s policy (he did a Taft with TR), because he really, really wanted to be President. Mitt also really, really wants to be President, and knows he has to say all the right ‘conservative’ things.

    But since you’ve asked a valid question, if Perry drops out my second choice is Huntsman. Then Newt, then Santorum, then Mittens, then Luap Nor (basically if Luap is the nominee he gets my vote, so basically he won’t get my vote ;) ).

    Oh, I forgot Buddy Roemer. Hmmm, where to put Buddy in that list . . .

  • texastaxpayer

    Frankly the ‘American Electorate’ is so far gone I am to point where I would rather consort with the militias promoting succession than most republicans. Two years ago I was laughing at these people now I am beginning to think they have a point. Washington doesn’t represent me or my values, Romney isn’t even close. People like you place a premium on rhetoric choosing your candidate based solely on words not accomplishments. Sound familiar at all? This election is heading for Obama the sequel. Even if the republican front runner wins his plans are not substantially different from Obama. I don’t want to live in a country where the federal government is all powerful. Where they can sieze me, my property and children at will with no due process or even substantially relevant charge beyond accusing me of being an “enemy of the state”. That isn’t the America I was raised in. Sadly the republicans are no better in protecting our liberties. When Obama signed the defense authorization bill did YOUR CANDIDATE demand constitutional protections for our citizens? NO. I no longer feel it is in either my own or that of my childrens best interest to continue down the path people like you are choosing. You wanted to know my second choice? The Republic of Texas is my second choice. After being a loyal patriot my whole life, from my time at Gunter Air Force base until today, I have bled red white and blue. But I fear its time to face some uncomfortable facts. Americans are not willing to accept the sacrifice necessary to save our republic. Most voters are blinded by the process and conditioned to support the status quo. I cannot stomach the republicans or the democrats any longer. Going forward my flag will have 49 less stars on it. When the time comes to sign the petition and vote for succession I will be their with bells on.

  • pttx333

    names and lip reading” have to do with Rick Perry? NADA! The Bush dynasty appears to be fighting against Perry with all their might ($$$) just as they did in our last Governor’s race. If Perry were one in the same, as you believe, why on earth would they despise Perry so much? Hmmmm?

    Your theory does not compute. What does Texas have to do with anything? Besides, the Bush family is NOT “from” Texas – they just live here now – that is, when they are not at their family compound in the NE.

  • paladin1

    a propensity for the dramatic and for shock journalism. You have been all over the road during this primary season and I have come to the conclusion that you just enjoy getting a rise out of people from your various candidate ephipanies. I enjoy your musings and your candidate Attention Deficit Disorder but don’t take you very seriously. I like you though :) !

    P.S.–I am sending Gingrich a list of all the elevator shafts in the Monday night debate venue…

    Go Gov.! (The Texas Gov. mind you!)

  • No Longer For Perry

    I am so tired of you throwing crap against the wall just to see what will stick! Isn’t that the overworked phrase your “son” always uses.
    Here’s another of Sonny’s favorites: if you have specific citations that the Bush family is sending $$$ “with all their might” then I demand that you list out the references. Otherwise, you are simply trafficking in conspiracy theories. And, yes — that is a conspiracy theory. Personally, I think you should un-retire…all this free time does not agree with you.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    There may not be a downside. The main point of my column was to eliminate Perry and Newt from consideration, and not so much Romney. It was a close call over Santorum.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    their face? But none have ever whispered why….

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    My devotion is to, in order of importance:

    1) Defeating Obama
    2) the conservative movement

    A Perry of Newt win on the heels of their Bain attacks would do great damage to the conservative message of economic liberty that is hard enough to sell as it is given massive economic ignorance that doesn’t understand how wealth and jobs are created in the first place. The Perry and Newt attacks plays into liberal lies about job-entitlement no matter whether a company makes a profit or not. Their message is poison to the movement that gives us any hope of regaining our prosperity.

    Its not about devotion to Mitt. Its about how most of the non-Mitts have failed us before our eyes with actual voters.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    just my opinion

  • pttx333

    As usual, your rants are undecipherable.

    Who is this son of mine that you keep referring to? My RS “son” is gekster, who is an online friend of mine who started calling me Mom. I would highly advise you to lay off bashing my friend – it would be best for you to go to one of those other sites where your hatred (God only knows the reason) can be freely spewed and even welcomed.

    Tell you what, I don’t suffer fools – ever. I will not respond to you further.

  • david1313

    I believe Obama fears Newt most. He is a seasoned politician that knows how to win, and stay in there. Romney is the easy target, in my opinion.

  • Tbone

    would be a better selection for it.

  • APA Guy

    i.e circa 2004 – when the country was more engaged in social issues that might sink a candidate like Newt.

    However, in this election the economy, jobs and gas prices will be at the forefront of the election narrative. Newt Gingrich is the one candidate who can both articulate conservative principles and policies and stand on a record of job creation and balanced budgets (and accompanying low oil and gas prices…always interrelated).

    Just one man’s differing opinion, but I think Newt would stomp Obama.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    True wisdom knowing what not to take too seriously. Great comment brother.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    good points

  • Wayne

    (or the old guard if you will) is just deleted enough to back Romney to the end. What a shame. The right candidate would make all the difference in the world. They live in a bubble in Washington, completely out of touch with mainstream American and the result will be another 4 years of Obama.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    The Republic of Texas is four names!

  • pttx333

    This one came here with the moniker “For Perry” (I think), then had it changed right away to “No Longer for … ” and has been stalking me with these blasts. I hope to heaven no one else has been bothered. GAWD, the loons are out in full force! I don’t know who this one is shilling for, but it certainly not for anyone with good intentions.

    You are correct, as always, Tbone. No Longer Coherent is a good one.

  • jakeofalltrades

    You can tell by comparing its metamorphosis to GC’s. While I don’t think GC is being entirely reasonable, he’s not acting like a jilted lover.

  • pttx333

    and “lip reading” come into play? Can’t be anyone other than 41.

  • texastaxpayer

    running a failed governor and the very caricature of wall street greed. I can’t believe someone who otherwise seems intellectually viable believes Romney and his 47th ranking as governor and questionable (putting it mildly) business practices is going to inspire a substantial following. Especially when the media drops the Mitt pom poms and begins operation ‘WALKS ON WATER’. Obama is best suited to beat Mitt of all the candidates. Santorum is inexperienced and has a spending record that would embarrass a shopahaulic. Newt’s baggage could sink the titanic certainly. But Romney epitimises the ‘strawman’ Obama is already running against. Surely you must be joking right?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    on the issues, character, campaign skills, conservative reliability and electability?

  • shinglejim

    1) You can critique how a person practices capitalism without it being an attack on capitalism.. I describe that here. http://www.redstate.com/shinglejim/2012/01/13/capitalism-texas-style/

    2) If you get so worked up over the Perry critiques of Bain, how do ignore Romney’s demagoguery of Perry’s position on entitlement reform? Specifically, this: http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/files/2011/09/RomneyFlier.jpg

    Honest question for you. If you can’t take Perry seriously for his comments on Bain, how can you take Romney seriously?

  • lineholder

    who has repealing O-care stated as his top legislative priority. It is Obamacare that has cast a cloud of uncertainty over our economy, causing employers and investors to be tentative about consider plans for growth and development in the private sector.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/repealing-obamcare-will-be-hard-if-case-isn-t-made-2012_616706.html

    To quote the article:

    More than anything else, what will determine success or failure in making that case and building that momentum is the degree to which the Republican presidential nominee chooses to make repeal a cornerstone of his campaign. Mitt Romney lists repealing Obamacare as one of the 59 points in his economic plan, but he doesn?t list it among the plan?s top-5 legislative priorities. Moreover, rather than saying he has learned from his mistakes, that he now knows we need an approach that focuses on lowering health costs (and preserving liberty), and that he believes what happens in liberal Massachusetts should stay firmly in Massachusetts, he has defended his health-care law in ways that could often double as defenses of Obamacare.

    Rick Santorum lists repeal as a goal, but so far he hasn?t overtly emphasized it as a centerpiece of his message or agenda.

    Newt Gingrich lists ?repealing Obamacare? as the top legislative priority in his 21st Century Contract with America and has said, ?I think that?ll be the campaign theme in September and October of next year.?

    End quote

  • Common_Cents

    If things were going well in the economy people would place higher value on ethics, character, social issues etc..

    Gingrich is the right man for the times. We need a bulldog to confront obama alinsky style.

    Romney=McCain=unable to take it to obama. Romney will chicken out on going after obama face to face. When romney does, he looks fake, like pawlenty looked fake when he tried to get angry.

    Obama needs to be confronted and called out on his pious baloney, it will get under his skin and he’ll implode.

    Romney will be nice and courteous, discussing and making bets like a country club crony. He is just not genuine.

    Gingrich came up with a great line yesterday. Obama’s campaign was yes we can, is now “why we couldn’t”. Brilliant. Simple repetitive ridicule type messages are powerful.

    Obama hinted at his campaign style. running as an outsider against himself and against the big govt issues that were done by former GOP presidents. The other day obama blamed NIXON for 2 govt departments that were split and could be combined.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Nice.

  • pttx333

    voter? Great balls a’fire!! No wonder this country is going down the tubes with lightning speed.

    Yeah, GC is having issues … he has done this before, and I’m getting somewhat concerned about him. I sure would hate to be going through such an immobilizing triangulation and am extremely happy that my choice has been set in stone from the first day Perry announced.

    But … we’ll all get through it, jake! Think I’ll go take a soaking bubble bath … get some of the filth off to go down the drain. ;-)

  • No Longer For Perry

    You have some really strong feelings about secession. I find myself wondering how many other Texans feel likewise.

  • tjms

    texastaxpayers and paladin1. My 3rd choice is not allowed here.

  • tjms

    are either feeling the same way or approaching it.

  • jakeofalltrades

    I still think he’s the Dole of the campaign (and Romney is its McCain).

  • lineholder

    to try to stimulate growth and development. And he’s asking Congress to grant him the authority to streamline government

    Quote:

    To encourage companies, the president plans to outline tax incentives for businesses hiring in the U.S. and has asked Congress to grant him authority to consolidate government agencies.
    The president said streamlining the federal government will make it easier for small businesses to get loans and sell their products around the world. ?Let me be clear: I will only use this authority for reforms that result in more efficiency, better service and a leaner government,? he stated

    End quote

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/obamas-weekly-address-bringing-jobs-back-to-the-u-s/

  • jakeofalltrades

    heh

  • conservativecurmudgeon

    Mitt Romney has dumped 6 or 7 points in the last week in South Carolina. The question you’ve posed may have a corollary before the election there…

    Well, Mr. DeVine, just as your reasons for supporting Mitt Romney are solidifying, my reasons for NOT supporting Mitt Romney are solidifying: And, that, mainly is:

    His scorched-earth policy in Iowa, which, when added to the slime machine of the Paul Campaign, has completely altered this campaign from one about IDEAS to one about PERSONALITIES.

    Gingrich, Perry and Santorum (and Bachmann and Cain) were perfectly willing and civil, wanting to discuss ideas and solutions. But, Romney sent his attack dogs out the moment Newt gained real traction (just as he’s done in each of his previous elections) to smear and eviscerate his opponents. And, the opponents are left with little choice but to respond in kind (just look at what happened in the precious days two weeks out from Iowa, when Gingrich was still relentlessly positive– and look what happened to him).

    Now we are left with the prospect of a bloodbath because of Mitt Romney’s massive ego, and his desperation to be president. ALL of our candidates have been bloodied by his contemptible campaign tactics. (of course, he hides behind the skirts of his super-PACs, smiling, smiling…)

    Romney doesn’t tell us about what’s great and good about HIM, but, instead spends tens of millions of dollars trashing his opponents (with Ron Paul picking up the slack, to make sure NO conservative peeks above the fox-hole)

    BUT: I am hoping against hope that these chickens are coming home to roost on Mitt’s head in South Carolina. Newt is very much on the rise there, and I am glad to see it.

    If Romney isn’t taken out, this will stand as the footprint for all future elections: Destroy all the underfunded candidates with outrageous, false, misleading advertising– thus, only wealthy, well-funded establishment types need apply. And, it will also mean the end of Reaganism in the GOP. Not just because it so effectively destroys his 11th Commandment, but because Governor Romney is surrounded by Reagan-loathers: John Sununu, the Bush Family, Karl Rove (who purged the Reaganites from the Texas GOP under George W. Bush’s governorship). Mitt Romney has created a wall-to-wall mess in the GOP, and I hold out hope one of the conservatives will be able to clean it up.

    But, I still love ya, man-!

  • pttx333

    My former and current assessment of Santorum is that I have never “liked” the guy and would have to be forced to ever vote for him. Remember that the things I say are what I personally see in the man: (1) he is a twit, a wimp who, when he attempts to be “strong” and “macho,” comes across as the nerdy guy in high school with spinach in his teeth who wanted to run with the so-called “in” crowd; (2) though appearing to be a good family man with family values, why would he want to run for any significant office when he has a handicapped child (one of 7!) and, given the hours he would be forced to be absent as President, those demands would preclude his being much of a father – his wife cannot possibly handle everything – even with hired help, they still need both parents; (3) he is to me too liberal in important (for me) areas, particularly with his love for spending, and he has voted with the establishment far too many times for my stomach to handle; (4) he is indecisive and wobbly; (5) he appears to have very little understand of foreign policy; and (5) I cannot for the life of me see him as our President, the Commander in Chief, who would be the take-charge, give ‘em hell LEADER that we so sorely need – this country will implode under such wimpiness (is that a word?)!

    Another big, big, big, big thing for me is our military. Can you imagine Santorum in uniform? Can you envision him taking a not-backing-down stance with our enemy(ies)? I can’t. I have a beloved granddaughter in the military, and I will not vote for anyone whom I feel does not respect our military and want only the finest tools and Presidential backing/leading for them to take with them on their mission(s).

    Okie dokie, GC – ya asked for it, so there ya go. Hope it helps!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    The ad asks if we can trust Perry on Soc Sec based on Perry’s own statements that do lend themselves to such questions. Perry answered those questions at the time quite well.

    Whereas the Perry attack on Bain as “vultures” is totally unsubstantiated and plays on the worst of false liberal lies about economic liberty, jobs entitlements and how wealth is created.

    imho

  • dpmapper

    He absolutely does not want Newt. Whether you like Newt or not, I think you have to concede that there are some legit reasons why one might not want him either as president or as nominee.

  • APA Guy

    I think Romney would win a close race, and that Obama’s inability to hold states like FL, OH, IN, NC and VA will kill him in the end because close Western states like NM, NV and CO will fall in line with the others as they have in the past. Obama’s path to victory against anyone but Ron Paul is slim and improbable.

    My concern is that Romney will govern as a RINO when a conservative is needed. I habe no such converns with Gingrich because history teaches me that he already beat back a liberal once (Clinton) to pass balanced budgets and capital gains tax and welfare reforms. As president, Newt would accomplish much with a more conservative congress.

  • redmymind

    I don’t normally dignify ugly, abusive pieces like yours with a response, but judging from your infantile rage and utter disrespect of a senior member of our society and venerable colleague, pttx333, whether you happen to agree with her or not, I am compelled to seriously question the upbringing that precedes your depraved character–or a lack of it, thereof.

    If it is incomprehensible to you why our nation’s senior citizens–our nation’s pride and crown jewels–ought to be respected and loved, you have lost touch with what it really means to be a principled conservative whose first principle it is to honor God and ALL life, young, old, or unborn.

    A crass and foul attitude such as yours only reveals your utter contempt for human life, no matter who you say you support . . . or “have” supported.

    Oh, you may once have thrown in a few lines in a whimsical moment indicating your excitement over Governor Perry, but let’s get one thing straight: YOU WERE NEVER “FOR PERRY.” You are simply a common bully with an apparent infantile impulse-control issue that surfaces in all its putrid ugliness when you don’t hear what you want. As such, you are a discredit to those of us who contribute our views here at RS with sincerity, candor, and respect for one another–however much we may differ.

    The fact that you resort to mean and hurtful personal attacks immediately indicates to me that you yourself have nothing of substance to offer, and it shows. As for “demanding” citations of others when you yourself neglect to provide any, I am left to ask, . . . would you even know what to do with them?

    I conclude this post very offended and feeling very hurt on behalf of my great and honorable friend, pttx333. Her passion, humor, kindness, and that deep, deep Southern insight and wisdom is what makes RS shine and what makes ordinary folks like me want to keep coming back to post. I am honored to have her as my friend and teacher. I always leave a little bit smarter and wiser each time I have the honor of connecting up with her here!

  • APA Guy

    IMHO, it is a good thing that Newt will hold their feet to the fire day after day as president. They don’t like him because he is a bulldog and demands policies that SOLVE PROBLEMS, not blame others for them.

    When the economy was on the line, Newt’s House of Representatives pushed through welfare reforms, capital gains tax cuts, and balanced budgets…all with Clinton as president. Of course Repubs like Tom Coburn don’t want Gingrich as president. They will be forced to ACT instead of play tiddlywinks with idiot Democrats and kick the can down the road.

  • avagreen

    Posting comments that I didn’t make, that I had abandoned Perry and saying that I was shilling for Newt (“like a Nazi” or something like that) on Free Republic, a site I can’t even get registered to post on although I’ve tried, “yelling” at Rush who I haven’t listened to since 2006…….
    Rightcher: No Longer For Perry Friday, January 13th at 1:45PM EST (link)

    I’m calling you an outright liar.

    …….waiting.

    This action of yours is a violation of RS rules:
    No personal attacks.
    No harassment or demonization of a particular individual.
    http://archive.redstate.com/story/2006/1/1/104656/0274

    And, I will contact the moderators here for your actions.

  • pttx333

    is Marvin Gaye’s “Heard It Through the Grapevine” – phenomenal. Guess it is really a sad song, but for some reason the beat just gets me up and moving’! Sam Cooke, Marshall Tucker Band, Stones – even Bee Gees. And I have all of those CDs in my car – my grandchildren have always been forced to listen to my music when we’re in my car. ;-) So, if you ever see an old lady driving down the road with such music blaring, it is probably me … LOL

  • dpmapper

    In my opinion Tom Coburn is the most responsible member of the Senate, the antithesis of “kick[ing] the can down the road”. I guess you don’t agree.

  • No Longer For Perry

    Two days ago it was the “evil” Paul family looking to become a “dynasty” and then it was the NE Bush Dynasty. Now, I suppose it is that diabolical Santorum clan from Pennsylvania. Too funny!
    This following quote is a disgrace “the military, and I will not vote for anyone whom I feel does not respect our military and…”
    What in the world leads anyone to believe that Rick Santorum does not respect the military!?

  • APA Guy

    Please just make your point moving forward. Thank you.

    Point is, congress (in particular Senate Republicans) are not where I will look for reasonable party dissent about a Gingrich presidency. HE has a superb record of legislative success, not this congress or any since he left.

  • avagreen

    See my post above.

  • jakeofalltrades

    The hinges are coming off this guy, seriouslaw.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    gamecock’s theme song…smile

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    getting ready for some NFL football!

  • No Longer For Perry

    I know using all caps is a way of getting attention – that is what you like most, right. Oh, and that goes for all of us to some degree. I think your farewell post displays your need to be heard:

    “thanks, scope, for responding. I’m going back to posting on other forums. The traffic here is tremendous, but one does get lost in the crowd..
    avagreen Wednesday, January 11th at 2:31PM EST (link)
    I?ve had concerns some time about Perry?s not being able to be on the SC ballot, but so far I?ve not heard any news on this site??.. or others.

    I hate for the anti-Perry groups on other forums to have all the say-so?s
    See ya, guys. It?s been great.”

  • jakeofalltrades

    Get a Bose audio system. All that music you just mentioned… is like sex when you hear it on a Bose. It’s like hearing it for the first time all over again.

  • pttx333

    z

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    And like I said, I’m not crazy about Paul. Just less crazy about Romney.

    I was worried I’d be flamed…thank you for understanding or rather accepting my position. I’ve had a very hard morning…after desperately trying to save her life one of my baby goats died in my arms. Thanks for not ripping into me for disagreeing–I really appreciate it–and I respect your conscience as well.

  • pttx333

    I would like to add at least one more (though there are a LOT more) – Al Green! Whoa, now, that is some serious, serious stuff with Al … what a voice. The Motown/R&B songs are out of this world!

    Then there is Roy Orbison from Wink, Texas. Used to go see him all the time in Odessa when he was Roy Orbison & the Wink Westerners. Don’t know how many folks ever really listened to his pure, clear voice and the beautiful words to the songs he wrote. His life story is very interesting and sad. He was a good man to boot. Don’t find that combo very often.

    Sorry, guys, I go into nu-nu land when discussing or listening to music so forgive my wandering here. ;-)

  • deVere

    Rom ney used to be my second choice to Perry, but now I realize that Romney is very likely to lose in November.

    So my second choice to Perry is now Huntsman, who is likely to win in November. Romney’s baggage makes even Gingrich seem attractive in comparison, but as far as I know Huntsman has no significant baggage to worry about.

    I believe that’s why Lincoln got nominated instead of Seward. Seward was perceived to have baggage due to his “Irrepressible Conflict” speech.

  • avagreen

    AND, I’LL WRITE IN CAPS IF I CHOOSE to.
    What you wrote just now is on this forum……no one has to have that pointed out to them. It’s on my profile, as you know.

    WHAT ABOUT YOUR LIES ABOUT THE OTHER FORUMS?
    See now, I’m yelling loudly.

    I’ve written the mods, too. :)

    ……..waiting………..

  • carolynr

    NO SANTORUM

  • acat

    And Dagon’s. I was under the impression he was English.

  • acat

    My third choice would be Gingrich.

    My logic is simple. Conservatives can’t move anything forward in D.C. The root problem is the D.C. establishment GOP.

    The cure is an outside influence .. and while I think Perry’s the better choice, I think Gingrich would be nearly as good in this capacity…

    Mew

  • acat

    Mew

  • pttx333

    post! I’ve had to delay responding to it cuz I had to stop blubbering long enough to do so with something akin to clarity. I want you to know that I am extremely honored by your words – and I mean that with all my heart. What a kind, sweet, dear soul you have, and I would like you to pass along to your parents that I am most honored to be the friend of such a wonderful man as their very well-mannered and thoughtful son!

    Our pathetic society has stooped to levels that I could never have envisioned. I cannot tell you how many times I have been dismissed as too old, senile, stupid, etc. only because I am a senior citizen. My backside would still be red to this very day if I had ever uttered such things to my elders – my folks would have seen to that – but such things never occurred to me. I remember sitting with my cousins at my great-grandmother’s feet while she sat in her rocker and told us true stories about when my grandmother (her daughter) was a little baby and the Indians were still “wild” (as she put it) in Oklahoma. There were roving bands of Indian marauders going through the countryside – stealing, terrorizing (and worse) the womenfolk, shooting arrows and guns into their homes while the women would try to keep the children quiet. The menfolk would be toiling hard in the fields so were not there to protect their families. Her tales were fascinating to us, and we hung on her every word. She would also tell us about the terrible tornadoes that had come through, the people killed, running to their storm cellars, etc. Oh, what wonderful things she taught us. And my grandmother did the same. I cherish each and every memory of them and still mourn their passing, just as I do my own beloved mother who would now be 93.

    I don’t intend to whine or feel sorry for myself, red – not at all. I mourn for this nation, our children and, indeed, the entire world and what we have become – Godless and evil. Do I forgive those responsible? No, I don’t. I do not forgive evil in any form. It just isn’t in me to do so.

    All I know, dear red, is that there is a reason for you to be in my life, and I have learned today only one of the thousands of reasons why. Thank you.

  • liberty17

    #2, Draft Bobby Jindal!!

  • westcoastpatriette

    And thanks for pointing out your diary on capitalism. I missed it and after reading it just now, reco’d it as I think everyone needs to read it.

    I am starting to lose my patience with irrational conservatives and their exaggerated attacks on each other. Your diary requires nuanced thinking and listening and makes perfect sense. Taking the high road is always more difficult and takes more time to achieve your goals but in the end, knowing you have not trampled all over some in order for others to profit is much more rewarding and respectable. I have always felt that way about life — that we don’t have to play it as a win/lose proposition, but there are always ways to make sure that everyone wins and no one loses.

    And I agree with you that that is all that Perry is trying to say.

  • Wubbies World

    As a Perry supporter, to be perfectly honest, it boils down to “least objectionable” and because South Dakota votes in June, my primary vote will probably be moot at that point.

    So, to be perfectly honest, it will be anybody but Obama.

  • redmymind

    Ever the heart, soul, spirit and pride of RS! It is always a joy and an honor to be graced by your uplifting presence!

    I’m sure my dad in heaven smiles in gratitude for your kind words. My “California Grizzly Bear” mom (more for her looks), well, . . . let’s just say she’ll “let me live another day” for those nice words of yours!

    I have been extremely lucky to have great parents . . . and this luck apparently overflows to wonderful friendships such as ours!

    With you,I lament this degeneration of society where self-evident principles are ingored and values are relativized and eventually trampled upon. A society that no longer honors its elders, except by the occasional lip service where it is expedient, is a doomed one–a one that nolonger knows how to love, despite the many vulgar intonations of the word itself.

    The European debt crisis, as troubling as it is in itself, is simply a manifestation of the frightening de-Christianization of Europe and the rise of neo-paganism–the vile fruits of which are the perversion of God’s natural order and the Divinely-given principles that define us to be “civilized.”

    How we treat the unborn and our venerable elderly is a good and reliable indicator as to where we are headed as a society.

    Are we a godly society who, out of our love for God and all life, esteem and venerate our elders? Or, are we to fare no better than the worms and insects who feed on each other?

    When I hear Governor Perry speak of making America “America” again, I hear more than just a message on the state of our economy. I hear a call for a full restoration of who we are as a decent, life and freedom loving people. All we really need to do is glance across the pond as see what the socialist, de-Christianized, neo-pagan Europe is fast turning itself into.

    Let our great America be the one to reverse the trend!!!

    On a happier note, my friend, . . . thank you for your presence in my life. I am blessed to know you!

    Till next! Heading to Church for an evening prayer event. Will keep you in my prayers as always!!!

  • avagreen

    as far asis like sex when you hear it on a Bose there’s NONE! that beats BARRY WHITE!!
    Talk about soul-quivering mellow, smooth, deep, silky voice, YOWZAH!

    I think I read once that more babies were conceived by Barry’s “I Can’t Get Enough of Your Love” than any other song by anyone.

    /off subject/
    (p.s. I have a Bose, but found one even better my JVC CD/Radio [with wooden speaker]…..the bass is deeeeeepeeerrrr……..).
    Bought it in……1998 or so. Plays beautiful music because of the WOODEN speakers. Worth every penny of the $200 price tag I paid.
    Here’s a pic, but it’s in England, i think.
    http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/jvc-stereo-cd-radio-speakers-inc–ticehurst-5/91923033 /end off-subject/

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    smyle

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I say all the time we need to get the Reagan DNA and have a better Boys from Brazil

  • pttx333

    Barry White was always GREAT and another of my very favorites, but he was gone all too soon! Just like Marvin Gaye. The great, great talents have typically passed all too young!

    Many times when I’m reading/posting here on RS, I’m listening to all of the good stuff. I also use music to alter a mood – wonder if I’m the only person on the planet who does that? If I’m down, I’ll play something like “Grapevine” to get me up and dancin’ around. Oh, without music my soul would die … there would be no “me” any more.

    Thanks for the tip on the JVC. I’ll go over to the link and see what is what. It is always good to get a recommendation from someone you know and trust! Thanks, Miss ava!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    untea

  • lizzie

    because I really can no longer stand anyone defending Romney or Santorum or (either Dr. Paul) and despute hours of shovelling snow, chopping ice, raking my roof, I am still in a full-blown Trauma episode from

    1) the defense of Private Equity LBOs, which is why I posted the AEI article above,

    2) another new doctor specialist in Massachusetts on Jan 10 (only a three month wait and he never even asked me why I was there and instead trashed everything my New York specialist has said for nine years, and this was a NICE doctor) that made me realize that health care in Massachusetts is so totally screwed up that living here even part-time is a death sentence.

    3) so, if the GOP is stupid enought to nominate Romney (who WILL lose because he stands for nothing except his own personal ambition and everyone knows it) or Santorum (who WILL lose because even I might protest vote Obama-no-spine-clueless-zero leadership-and-negative-coattails-destroyer-of-all because Santorum can’t win and stands for EVERYTHING I oppose)

    it is best that I go back to watching dvd re-runs of JAG and NCIS and try to stop paying attention to why the America I used to love and believe in became such a pathetic excuse of an ignorant electorate.

    Sorry – I spent a year reading histories of the bloodiest wars in history to get my mind off the bi-partisan destruction of the American economy since 1978, and I am running out of bloody wars and genocides. The idea was to make the present seem better by comparison.

    Just wanted to say goodbye to the kindest people I have encountered in past few years. pttx33 and the Perry Posse.

    Good thing I have John Buchan’s four volume history of World War One to read next.

    The RedStaters who believe ANYONE can beat Obama underestimate the zero enthusiasm factor for Obama, Romney, Santorum, and that the 2012 election will be decided by Senate contests, and the Dems are running on women’s issues. They learned from New York 2010 , and it WILL work.

    as to the Doctors Paul – that is too close to how facsits hoodwinked Europe in the 1930s.

    and then there is Winston Churchill – I can read all of his histories and remind myself of the time when a complete failure rose from the ashes of his political baggage (and being drunk most of the time) and, with four speeches, gave confidence to those who cherish liberty and freedom.

    goodbye.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    We need a governor

  • avagreen

    If you don’t come here for the fools, come here for us.

    We need you. JUST like we need Perry!

    Understand about the trauma (even though I don’t know the details)…take care of yourself. But, please come back. Don’t leave.

    Move to Texas. Get out of Taxachusetts. Jobs are aplenty down here……….in West Texas (Midland/Odessa) they are looking folks for the oilfield. They’re gonna haf to have people work in offices, too, accountants and such to handle the boom going on down there.
    Don’t know if that’s possible for you, but they are begging for help. Begging.
    Can you get new training? There’s 3 jobs right here where I live that pay $80,000 yearly for machinists and have been looking for over a year……….can’t find a one!
    COL is low here in Texas, and that’s good money.
    Please?

  • pttx333

    I don’t want you to harm your health, sweetie, but you’re such a dear person with so much to impart to the ignorant like me. Is there any possible way that I can contact you somehow? I understand your frustrations and that it is harming you, though, but I grieve for the loss.

    Do you understand the importance of what you have written, Miss Lizzie? There should be no eyes that haven’t read your words – they are prophetic. I wish they were in a diary and/or preserved somewhere.

    Please take care of yourself, Miss Lizzie. PLEASE! God bless you, honey. I won’t say good-bye.

  • avagreen

    nt

  • westcoastpatriette

    This is miserable for all of us — please don’t isolate yourself. I’m trapped in my situation here in Cali or I would take ava’s advice and catch the next train to Texas. In the meantime. RS helps me endure the insanity going on all around us. It’s too early to give up — anything can happen between now and November.

    Please stick around. We need you and all of your history lessons.

  • shinglejim

    This has been bothering me all week. Just because its capitalism doesn’t mean you can’t question how the results were achieved.

  • Scope

    in saying goodbye to the whole damn thing. Hey, I live in VA. I know you are not basing your position on just those that have responded to your comment that started this thread. I do ask you though to consider those that have replied as being some of the worst of the worst.

    We have some who have made it their life’s goal to knock, trash, and disparage Perry every chance they get, aka Common Cents, and there are others to be sure. He surely has made me run from Redstate at times, as I felt like I had caught a serious, incurable rash, when I read some of his posts. That’s when I don’t believe that I have been infected with heartworm from some of his posts. That disease is carried by tick bites, and I look at Common Cents as a deer tick, preying on anyone he can suck the blood from and infect.

    Then you have the author of this diary, who just can’t make up his mind where he stands, or what he stands for. This has been a long time habit, that has been evident long before the current election cycle. Shut down Congress dammit he proclaimed, then, well we really can’t deprive the unemployeds from their unemployment gravy train. Hey, get on the Cain 999 plan, or you are an idiot. The trashing of the Perry supporters at that time was brutal, and uncalled for. I don’t believe for one nanosecond that he ever came around to supporting Perry, but it is a far far stretch to go from Cain, because he was an outsider, to going right into supporting Romney. The whole story is so convoluted it’s unexplainable. He did, if you check back in the comments, support Romney many months ago, because he was the inevitable. I tend to agree with another poster that the author just posts things that are so very over the top that he gathers as many comments as he can, just because his ideas are so very over the top. It has nothing to do with conservatism, it has everything to do with making money. I’ve heard that the National Enquirer is looking for writers, and this guy is trying hard to land a job there.

    Paul should never have gotten as far as he has within the Republican party. I was well aware of the organization he was building up shortly after the 2008 election. Everyone, and I mean everyone, discounted him as a fringe as he built up his organization, on college camous, after college campus. Obama spent much of his campaign in 08 in going to college campus, after college campus. Paul has taken that page out of the Obama campaign. Obama promised Hope and Change, Paul promises legal drugs.

    Lizzie, please don’t leave from some quack posts to your original linked article. I read it thios morning and thought WOW, holy crap, how can anyone support this guy? The responses are everywhere but addressing the original article.

    As I see it, the problem has been in not controlling any threads. Nor requiring anyone to stick to the diary subject. Not even trying to get rid of those that post crap that has no basis in fact. But hey, truthers are banned.. Hey, birthers are banned. But anyone can come here, post the most outreageous “opinions” which they post as facts, but no problem.

    THe sire started losing credibility when it became open season with any opinion, stating something that had no basis in fact, but hey, have at it. The site did at one time require that statements should have at least the slightest basis in fact. No longer. I agree with you, though I may get banned before I can say goodbye.

  • pttx333

    ongoing also. Thank you.

    I would bet your California Grizzly Bear mama is a hoot! Yes, she and your dad did a wonderful job of child-rearing, and I suspect your wonderful culture had a lot to do with that.

    I’m with our guy Perry all the way, red – no turning back, no questions, no anything. He is the only one on that stage with true American grit to attempt the dismantling of our very degraded society. Anyway, we go, I won’t change my mind – regardless of the naysayers, the manipulators, et al.

    Squeeze the little one every chance you get … but I know that you do. Our children are our lifelines, the ones who keep us going. God bless them all!

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    If Rick Perry is no longer in the race, then my motivation and purpose for remaining on RedState sinks. I joined in order to help the community promote our guy and I pray that I’ve had some effect, no matter how small. But…if he’s no longer in the race, then I’ll be focusing more on my own blog and other writing projects, just because they’ll be a better way to spend my time. I live each day one at a time. I pray that things change, but if they don’t, I hope I continue to see some of y’all at my blog. Scope, pttx333, westcoastpatriette, avagreen, romansdaughter…I’m sure there are others I haven’t named…you’ve all become such great friends and I hope I’ll continue hearing from you if the time comes to say goodbye to RedState.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I’m disappointed in all of them now that Santorum finally succumbed to the anti-Bain attacks. Sad.

  • tonotisto

    Last I saw he was basically, if not chastizing the others for bringin it up, dancing around the issue.

    Looked like he was playing it safe.

  • cheetah2

    But I like him less and less all the time. The more I know the less I like him and I hate it that we are being told we have no choice. I do not think Santorum is qualified to be president and probably not Gingrich either. I want someone with executive experience. Huntsman would be ok with me, but he is more of a long shot than Perry even. I am from Washington State so it doesn’t matter who I support anyway. Our caucus is not until March. If it can’t be Perry, I will take whoever it ends up being, but with no enthusiasm.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57359264-503544/santorum-joins-scrum-on-romneys-biz-record/

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    But I’m not as bummed as many re Mitt. I think he will be a great campaigner and would a President we can be proud of that loves America. There was only one Reagan…sad

  • lineholder

    I thought Neil might like this. It’s an article that uses SD, 6-sigma,and SPC to evaluate BLS trending patterns for unemployment claims.

    http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/politicalcalculations/2012/01/15/the_number_of_new_jobless_benefit_claims_for_the_first_week_of_2012

  • Common_Cents

    Romney just isn’t mean enough. Romney does not come across well in attacking/confronting opponents. He doesn’t have the conviction and genuine appeal, similar to Pawlenty. Romney would chicken out in any debates with obama. Romney=McCain in that regard.

    Gingrich will go right at obama and media stooges, using alinsky tactics of ridicule right back at them. That is what we need.

  • sunshinek67

    I hope Gingrich’s SuperPac exposes Mitt Romney for the ruthless capitalist pig that he is. I cannot stand him. Now it turns out he likes photo-ops, giving a jobless woman in the ropeline a wad of cash. Reports are the “wad” ended up being around $50-60, but the message worth a whole lot more.

    This lady, who is African American by the way, has her picture splashed everywhere in the news now. I realize Romney wants to “reach out”, especially to the black community suffering from a very disproportionate percentage of high unemployment, and is completely unashamed to do so for around the cost of a cheap bottle of wine.

    This guy is evil defined.

  • lineholder

    a certain amount of the message that is presented in the video below. Regardless of who our nominee might be, this is one point above all others where they have an advantage over Obama. The left does NOT love this nation or what it has stood for over the years. They believe the vision of our founding fathers was WRONG to begin with, which is they constantly attempt to bring about transformation that will conform to the utopian ideology that they prefer.

    It’s a good video, and I hope that we will be hearing ALL of our candidates make similar points as often as can be.

  • Common_Cents

    If I hadn’t said Perry isn’t electable he’d be leading!

    If the media spoke better of Perry!

    If the polls weren’t rigged against him!

    If only Gamecock stayed w/ Perry!

    There IS a vast right wing conspiracy! ;)

    Seriously, you should consider taking a break, sounds like the primary season is really getting to a few staunch Perry supporters who are sounding more and more like Paul conspiracy theorists going postal on people who don’t agree with you. We’ll survive w/out President Perry and the state of TX will be a shining state on the hill with Perry as a great Gov.

    I’ve said 108 times now, I’d appoint Perry President if I could but just don’t believe America is ready to elect him to our downfall. Spin it all you want.

  • cheetah2

    I hate to be told that Romney will lose if he is our nominee. I refuse to believe it. I just have worries at the moment that he won’t keep all the great promises he is making. We must see Obama care repealed and if Romney wins and he is not going to fight for that we will be in huge trouble.
    Now that Huntsman is out, Romney truly is the only realistic alternative to Perry.

  • pttx333

    My feet are still in stone and will remain that way. Read the tea leaves, sweetie …

  • avgjo

    ‘You get the shovel, I’ve got the defibrillator. Reagan 2012.’

  • avgjo

    When the dims were pushing Obamacare a coupla years back, I warned everyone we’d better make contigency plans for the worst case scenario. I had a lot of folks very upset with me. It got passed.

    If Willard gets the nomination, we’d better make contingency plans for the then-probable re-election of Barack Hussein Obama.

  • cheetah2

    Here is the problem I am having. Before Iowa we all hoped that Perry would do better than the polling indicated. In the end, the results actually lined up closely with what the polls predicted. Do you think S. Carolina will be different? Because Perry’s numbers are not budging from around 5% and it’s only a few days until the election. Please give me a reason to hope because I really, really want to!

    I am still for Perry all the way. I think he is far superior to anyone else running. I think our country is insane not to grab with both hands at the chance to elect him.

  • romansdaughter

    I am from there too. What part? I am from up in the Gig Harbor/ Port orchard area. Yes, I am feeling the same way but as a believer I am just hanging on as I know God is in control.

  • Don T.

    I do not like Mitt, but of course, as many have stated, I will settle for Willard if that is our guy against Obama. I too liked Perry, but his campaign, and his own performance, have not been up to the task, and it is sadly just not his year, no matter how we would wish differently. The choice comes down to Newt or Santorum. I just saw both of them at campaign events in SC, and I have come out in favor of Santorum, who I observed to be the warmer, more personable, more sincere campaigner. I have concerns about Santorum’s big gov’t conservative rep as a foot soldier for George W. Bush, and about his lack of executive experience. But Newt just leaves me cold. His vindictive manner and questioning over Romney’s Bain Capital history is a carefully concealed temper tantrum over Newt’s treatment in Iowa. Newt’s baggage, his three marriages, goofiness with Pelosi and GW, money from Fannie/Freddie…this will make Newt the issue in the election. We want Obama’s record to be the focus.

  • Common_Cents
  • pttx333

    things as I see it. I’m going by what I personally know about Perry, having had the luxury of observing him for many years and the elections he has won.

    Our last Governor’s race was particularly brutal and dirty – filthy, actually. I have laughed my head off when I see comments that Perry has never been vetted. My God, between the Bushies/Rove, trial lawyers, teachers’ union, dems, GOP establishment, et al., Perry was smeared, laughed at, accused of being gay – the things they threw out there were nothing by drive-by smears. There were many candidates: Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R), Bill White (D) former mayor of Houston (snake) and a couple of other lesser ones. KBH had the GOP establishment, read that as the good ole boys, Bushies, Rove (nasty mouthpiece/manipulator) behind her since she is a RINO. She wanted to leave D.C. and they had decided that she would win hands-down and threw out every dirty trick in the books – and I mean dirty. The GOP establishment/RINOs are terrified of Perry because he has this wonderful habit of tearing down fiefdoms, cushy little political nests, etc. They MUST have another RINO (squish) in leadership roles to continue on with their comfy and powerful positions. In order to continue on with the status quo so they can keep feathering their nests ($$) and gain even more power/prestige. Perry wants to clean house, and they aren’t having it.

    Then there are the trial lawyers who hate Perry because he was for tort reform (and did sign it into law) which tore up there ambulance-chasing money making lifestyles. I’m talking about helicopters, big nice buildings with helipads on top, and $$$ in their pockets. Well, you know how that went over with them.

    Teachers’ union – ’nuff said there. We all know what those unions are about and they have brainwashed enough teachers so they will vote dem. Crooked union heads destroy everything.

    Bill White – what a dirty, dirty dem he is – very rich liberal. I’ve lived in the Houston area for many years and know what he did. Out of sight spending, making Houston a sanctuary city, dirty city politics – he was building another Chicago (and it is ongoing today under a female lesbian dem mayor).

    The race rocked along, Perry being thrashed from every corner, the lies, the filth they threw – at one point Perry was down 20+% to KBH with Bill White close behind. They were all laughing and just knew they had a lock on the race. Perry just kept on keeping on, campaigning, being himself, meeting with folks all over the state. The upshot? He won handily and every damn one of them went scurrying off with their tails between their legs. This is how Perry does things, just as I described. He is NOT dumb, ignorant, squishy, hesitant, weak or any of the things he is called. The MSM has him in a black-out at this time because we all know they want Romney to win cuz he will lose, big time, to b.o. and they are in the tank for our Dear Reader, the monster.

    So … Miss cheetah, I gotta go with my instincts, with his record, with what I know personally – he is far and away the best man since Reagan, IMHO. There have been only 3 candidates in my 71 years that my head and my heart were connected on choosing them – Goldwater, Reagan and now Rick Perry. So, I’m going with the things I’ve lived through, observed closely and relying on my instincts. I do hope this has helped you in some small way, lady bug, but it is the best way I can explain it. Just consider what I have said and understand that all of these things are only my opinion.

    Chin up, sweetie!!!

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    I’m really REALLY hoping Perry will outperform in South Carolina.

  • cheetah2

    Perry is the best no doubt about it. I have felt the same as you about him. He won my heart from the very beginning, and not just because of personality, but because of his great ideas and his love for our country. I hope it turns out like the Governor’s race after all!

  • cheetah2

    I grew up in Redmond. I now live in Spokane, but I have also lived in Bothell and Woodinville.

    I think with Perry I am at a point where I am just trying to cope with my disappointment in the foolishness of our country. But it’s true God is in control. I am just hoping he would be able to bless us with a truly great president one more time…

  • pttx333

    truly hard for me to explain my feelings. I have no crystal ball or anything, but wasn’t sure if you knew a lot of the background of Perry and what he has already been through. He is one strong man, I’ll tell you that. So is Anita – she is a strong, supportive, gracious and kind lady – they are a perfect match.

    Here’s to us, cheetah! I have faith in him after observing him lo these many years. He’s only improved things, never harmed.

  • buster93

    Perry 2012 Perry 2016
    I feel nothing numb. Look I made calls to get Dole elected in 96.
    Perry was it .
    Hey I am a Texan feel safe in my state. Whatever is coming down the pike and the country wants Romney or Obama . I am glad Rick Perry is my Governor .
    Rick has the best ideas we will see how bad things are in 2016 in the USA.
    Adidos

  • romansdaughter

    I had to finally come to grips with the fact as a believer that I trust God no matter what. He is in control! I keep praying for Gov. Perry and believing that if God wants him to be President He will do it. I get this sinking feeling every time I think about Mitt Romney and I truly feel like if he is nominated we are going to have 4 more years of Obama. It terrifies me but God always calms me down and I have to realize that God cares about us more than we ever could. Oh by the way I have lots of friends in Spokane and I have lived out there a little and it is beautiful! Of course, I think Washington state is beautiful!