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The SC GOP Primary: Vultures, capitalists, evangelicals and gamecocks

Palmetto State poised for pragmatic pick over preening vulture anti-capitalists

South Carolinians have seen too many shuttered textile plants never visited by Mitt Romney’s Bain Capital to fall for Newt-Perry slurs that blame the buyers of companies already failing due to the internal policies of the sellers or external policies of governments.

Vultures eat the dead. Bain, under Romney, saved jobs worth saving in the private sector (unlike the now government motors taxpayer -funded welfare “jobs” saved by President Barack Obama at a loss) by salvaging the identifiable living and the profits earned saved and created jobs, sight unseen:

The problem with the entire discussion is that jobs are being used as the only measure of the “good” done by Romney. Profits are also good as they allow companies to grow and as they return capital to investors who can then fund the creation or growth of other companies. Indeed, despite our being surrounded by Keynesian-thinking politicians who believe that nothing is as important as consumers having spending money, the indirect benefits to society of profits to investors are arguably at least as large as the indirect benefits of employment.

We have to assume that conservative movement leaders like the former Speaker of the House and a twice re-elected governor of the Lone (jobs-producing in the 21st Century so far) Star State are familiar with the the economic fundamentals that define free market capitalism and that constitutes the foundation of modern day American conservatism. Hence this2000 conservative epiphany-defined gamecock’s disdain for Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry when they launched their respective efforts in my native home state by hurling the “vulture capitalist” epithet at the successful former CEO of Bain Capital and related companies, savior of the post-911 Salt Lake City olympics, and balancer of Bay State budgets.

Mitt Romney turned Bains around three times. His job was to make a profit. He did. Profits are good. This is fundamental to conservative principles. Disparaging the buyers of troubled companies as “vultures” is anathema to conservative values and principles and must not be rewarded with the historically dispositive prize that is the SC Republican Primary.

Conservatives want Reagan (or Coolidge). We find none.

We thought Perry was the closest facsimili thereof, and while he seemed the most reliable conservative in the field before his desperation-driven avian mis-sighting, but his debate-gaffe driven microscopic caucus and primary showings prompted a second look a decidedly non-reliable Gingrich. Then he devolves into vulture anti-capitalism after being forced to defend accepting hush money from Freddie Mac. What would you expect from a guy so concerned with Air Force One plane seat accommodations. And for those that cried Huntsman when we eenie-meenie-minie-moed between Romney and Santorum, Jon dropped out today.

Evangelicals, and any conservative concerned about life, marriage, Iran, and manufacturing jobs are naturally drawn to the Roman Catholic son of a coal miner and father of enough future conservatives to swing future Iowa caucii or man a basketball team with players to spare on the bench. Good job Daddy Santorum!

We forgave Rick Santorum his support of Arlen Specter when we learned of the loyalty angle, are impressed with his arguments for tripling the child tax credit and manufacturing tax incentives, and will always respect his denunciation of the Newt/Perry vulturism when he was arguably poised to benefit the most from disingenuous, anathem-to-conservative appeals to supposed class envy-starved South Carolinians. Then we sought counsel from our fellow Southern Baptist, Richard Land:

Will evangelicals support Mr. Romney if he is the nominee? Yes, and by substantial percentages. Never underestimate the unique ability of President Obama to unify social conservatives, of every faith tradition, around his eventual opponent.

Will Mr. Romney’s Mormonism be a negative factor for evangelicals? It will for some, but remember that in Iowa the 60% of voters who identified themselves as evangelicals gave 42% of their votes to a Mormon (Mr. Romney) or a Catholic (Messrs. Santorum and Gingrich), while giving only 38% of their vote to fellow Protestants (Messrs. Perry and Paul and Mrs. Bachmann). So much for narrow denominational prejudices.

One should note also that several prominent evangelicals, such as former George W. Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson, are enthusiastically supporting Mr. Romney.

Even Pastor Robert Jeffress, who may be Mr. Romney’s most vocal evangelical critic and last fall referred to Mormonism as a “cult,” has stated: “If it comes down to Romney versus Obama I’m voting for Romney.” I’ve heard the same sentiment from hundreds of evangelical pastors over the past two months.

This USC Gamecock knew as much even before he made his roost atop Stone Mountain of Georgia, supported Mitt early on in 2007 before Fred Thompson teased us, and after Bachmann, Cain, Perry and Newt imploded.

Santorum would make us proud as President. So would Mitt. They both exude American Exceptionalism and would either’s election as president would inspire the re-entry of billions if not trillions of currently sidelined dollars into the economy.

I recently made my executive experience-driven choice in Mitt Romney. But what is most important about this stage of the GOP nomination contest is that conservatives not reward vulture slurs against economic liberty.

I am confident that home of the winner of the last two College World Series will not let me down.

Mike DeVine

Atlanta Law & Politics columnist –  Examiner.com

Editor - Hillbilly Politics

Co-Founder and Editor - Political Daily

“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

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COMMENTS

  • acat

    On Romney, the issue remains that Romney is a weak candidate – and his activities at Bain just expose another gaping hole in his armor.

    How on earth can Romney respond, in the general election, against Mr. Jobs-Created-Or-Saved when that’s Romney’s own argument? “My numbers are better” ?? How is that possible when Romney is at least pretending to base his in reality?

    As for the “vulture” argument being “of the left”, I fail to see the problem. Fine, it’s “of the left” .. seems clear to me the left will be running with it if Romney clinches… and I’d rather coordinate my replies with the Romney campaign beforepaw. Unfortunately, so far all they’ve said is …. nothing.

    Romney is a candidate whose feet aren’t clay, they’re *sand*. The whole edifice of inevitability is on a very shaky foundation indeed. The cracks are there, for cats and gamecocks who have eyes.

    Yes, Romney was arguably better than McCain – I agreed with you on that in 2007 – but he is not provably better than Perry. Your decision to move toward him strikes a disharmonious chord with your previous statements, GC.

    As for Santorum, I seriously do not see how I can expect anything good from him in the White House. He has no executive experience, something you’ve previously argued is a plus, IIRC.

    Santorum has no great legislative result(s) to point to ala McCain/Feingold or Sarbannes/Oxley. (admittedly, those are great in a negative fashion, but .. they are in the public eye) Even Newt has HIPPA to run on… or away from …

    Santorum has no great public social successes to run on. Terry Schaivo remains dead, and Dr. Death (erm, Kermit Gosnell .. in, I’ll note, PENNSYLVANIA) didn’t go out of business (or to jail) based on any action Santorum undertook.

    The only logic I can see to your post, GC, smacks strongly of wanting to pick a winner .. and I just don’t buy it. The trouble with this kind of winner-picking is you’re still left with a snotty candidate.

    Mew

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    seeking victim dependents and not the buyers of failing companies seeking to salvage value. Perry either doesn’t understand that, in which case he is fatally ignorant or he knows it very well and reveals fatal character flaw in his desperation to resurrect his campaign.

    The logic of my post is that I resent the notions of Newt and Perry that assume that enough ignorant South Carolinians exist to fall for the vulture capitalist slur and make them a winner of their consequential primary. Newt and Perry disqualified themselves, Huntsman dropped out and I picked Mitt over Santorum in a close call. No column I (nor anyone else, including cats) could write could save a dead Perry or a vile Newt.

  • acat

    that it’s inaccurate.

    Vultures fill the same ecological niche that Bain filled, the comparison is unsavory but apt. Vultures convert the dead and dying into fertilizer, just as Bain converted dying companies into smaller, leaner ones, while putting cash in the pockets of the Bain owners.

    Further, Perry is the same guy who called Social Security a Ponzi scheme. He’s hitting a populist note, true, but .. Main Street conservatism has always had a populist twinge, and the general election certainly will run more smoothly with – as whats-her-name put it, a spoonful of sugar to help the medicine (ethanol subsidies need to end, social security is broken, medicare too, obamacare won’t work ….) go down, eh?

    If I were looking at Romney for a C-level slot in the private sector, I would have no problem with his vulturehood. If Romney were running on the idea of “A man who knows how to make cuts”, I would probably accept it. Alas, Willard seems to be running as “the next guy”, and has been unwilling (or unable.. based on his Fox News hissy fit) to clarify who he is. He must do so to win the general.

    Further, his record in Massachusetts fails to show actual cutting, merely the kind of financial restructuring that, back in 2007, we needed … the kind of restructuring the Tea Parties clamored for.

    Today, though, we need someone who can put America back to work … and Romney has zero zip zilch nada showing that he can do so.

    Mew

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Yes, we NEED a better candidate than Romney. Perry let me down again, again and again.

  • acat

    As you know, of course.

    Mew

  • deVere

    You mean we are required to nominate a candidate who will lose the November election in order to punish the bearers of bad news, even if the bad news is substantially true? No thank you.

    Mr. Devine, you seem to be writing in a spirit of pure pro-Romney partisanship, and not from any well-reasoned effort to elucidate the issues before us. In plain English, you are spouting Romney talking points. (still better than Ron Paul, who spouts Hamas talking points).

  • quill67

    Vultures actually on feed on the dying. The Komodo Dragon bits healthy but vulnerable animals. Then they wait. The bite festers and a few weeks later, the bitten animal dies from infection and the Dragon enjoys his meal.

    Bain looked (in many cases) for struggling companies, they bit them with tremendous debt –paying out this borrowed debt to their new owners. These companies were left with too big a debt load and many of them failed when the next downturn hit.

    While Bain could do this and it is not illegal, it sure as heck is not honorable.

  • snowshooze

    Is just as likely or more so to be a target for raiding.
    Better assets, better outlook, more able to attract financing..
    So Bain may not have dealt strictly with failures. It is difficult to tell, but as Obama has previously utilized confidential information directly obtained from the IRS…
    I am pretty certain we will hear a lot more about it.
    The first and most important task at hand though, is to eliminate Perry. They are doing a great job of ignoring him to death…
    Then Newt.
    But anyway, Romney is a scumbag.
    It took me a long time to come to that conclusion, I know, it is more the sum of the parts…and it is a personal opinion…but that is what my guts tell me.
    There isn’t anything I like about him that I can think of.
    There are loys of things I like about Newt, and lots of things I don’t like about Newt.
    There are lots of things I like about Perry, my favored Candidate, and a couple things I don’t like.
    There are lots of things about Paul I like too…and a pile of things I don’t like.
    But Romney is pure.. I don’t like him. I don’t see any great successes, I don’t see anything…at all. He quotes from the GOP script fluently… but he has never demonstrated any propensity to follow it.
    In fact, I think he would do well to run against Obama as a Democrat.
    Ahhh… I have completely unhinged from the topic.
    Romney, if nominated…will be slaughtered by both Obama and the third party which will attract a great deal of disgruntled Republicans.

  • deVere

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/16/santorum_romney_is_perpetrating_lies_about_his_record.html

  • The_Rebel

    Today, you’re calling him a scumbag. You are a prime example of what I said yesterday about the vitriol that has been thrown at Romney on RS. When Romney wins the nomination, I guess we can count on you to be either a vote for Obama or a non-vote for the Republican. I mean, how could you ever vote for a coward or a scumbag?

  • deVere

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/when-romney-ran-bain-capital-his-word-was-not-his-bond/2012/01/12/gIQACvQxwP_story.html

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    I am really starting to like this Romney fellow, might be just the guy we need to cut government.

  • deVere

    implies that he might do the same thing to us to get elected..

    If you think it implies he will ruthlessly cut useless government jobs, you are entitled to believe in that fantasy.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    eeenteee

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    nt

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    And I am never in a spirit of pro-any man. I am an issues guy and my life got defined by my Summer of 2001 conservative epiphany after 20 years an activist Democrat and so I loathe the anti-free market rhetoric of the left. I have seen that rhetoric poison people and induce ignorance about how wealth is created, and YES, given the inept group of candidates we had this time, after Perry and Newt went to “vulture” talk, I do think it most important at this time, to make sure that talk is not given any credibility by GOP primary voters.

    The “issue” that so many here don’t want to face is there too long Weekend at Bernies redux titled Weekend at Perry’s. I was for Perry for months. He failed us. And I factored in new data and opined. The truth hurts, but it can also set you free….but the hard truth is that we have no Reagan. Life sucks and then you die.

    I’m over 40…

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Yes, We the People have slouched a long way towards Gomorrah when self-described conservatives can ape the Left about honor.

    disgusting

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Ron Paul? no

    next

  • snowshooze

    And I was a bit off.. I really don’t think I could honestly support either term. I retract and apolgise.
    Slime is the correct term.
    I just cannot see a singlr thing I like about him.
    That’s fine. I do not have to like my employees either.
    But they absolutely have to do the job they were sent to do.
    Possibly you might know of one single great thing about him?
    It doesn’t seem that people are beating down my door with all kinds of great Romney accomplishments.
    Are there any?
    Even a single one?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    und tea

  • acat

    Simple.

    Noseplugs.

    Same way I voted for McCain and Bush 2.0.

    Mew

  • acat

    Where have your standards gone?

    Mew

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Turned the post911 Salt Lake City Olympics into a success on all levels; and 3) Balanced the Massachusetts state budget after years of deficits….

  • spainishirish

    the world on the brink, pretty much everything to appeal to the Occupy Myrtle Beach (OMB) crowd.

  • snowshooze

    But pales by comparason to either Newt or Rick.

  • snowshooze

    nt

  • marktx

    If Romney is the republican nominee, he will face continued political attacks from the Obama campaign regarding a few of the Bain deals. Obama won’t attack capitalism in general, but focus on one or two companies that were gutted by Bain.

    It’s one thing to buy a company, fix it up, and then make a big profit. Most people support that type of capitalism. But investing in a company, firing workers, while adding huge amounts of debt to a company causing eventual bankruptcy, while taking out profits, thats trouble in the general election.

  • acat

    I would tend to agree with it.

    1 is right up there with Herb Cain.

    2 is an actual success … but as Giuliani found, these things have a use-by date.

    I am underwhelmed.

    Mew

  • acat

    C’mon, GC.

    It’s not about the honor of the job. Cleaning port-a-potties is also an honorable job.

    Doesn’t mean it’s a good job to have on the resume’ when running for POTUS.

    Mew

  • shinglejim

    Both are forms of capitalism, but its far more difficult to explain to the general electorate why your latter example is still acceptable. All it takes is one not so warm and fuzzy story to overshadow any successes.

  • shinglejim

    Both are forms of capitalism, but its far more difficult to explain to the general electorate why your latter example is still acceptable. All it takes is one not so warm and fuzzy story to overshadow any successes.

  • acat

    Gingrich is still running.
    Perry is still running.

    Mew

  • snowshooze

    http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092400b.htm

    Bain is probably best forgotten.
    If Romney wants to strip the pensions out and sell off the pieces of the country after having borrowed to the limits…
    I am not so certain I care for that Management style.
    Hey, it may be pure BS, but it has not been addressed well.
    I know… Obama will get around to it when it is time.

    Then there is the dog thing.
    And his service during Viet Nam.

    Honestly, I just realized I don’t like the guy. I was hanging in there for a long time though.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    supporter most every time he opened his mouth. I was mad a Cain for laziness and intentional ignorance but he never succumbed to desperation-induced vulture attacks, like Perry and Newt.

  • acat

  • acat

    however, had he been able to stay in, it would have been interesting to see what he’d have to say about Bain.

    Mew

  • deVere

    Goof grief!

    I think Rick Perry is basically honest. I’ve read his book, and he stands by what’s in it. And I really like his point of view.

    I think Rick Santorum is basically honest, but I don’t agree with a lot of what he sincerely thinks is right.

    I think that Newt Gingrich believes what he says at the time he says it. But like Bill Clinton he is subject to changing his mind in an hour.

    I think Harry Truman was a New Deal socialist, but incapable of deliberately lying.

    I think that Ronald Reagan had his priorities, and defeating the Soviet Union was more important to him than balancing the federal budget. When he had to choose, he chose one over the other. He was a lousy movie actor, but a great visionary statesman.

    I think that Mitt Romney is a liar. What he really intends to do as President might actually be halfway good, but I do not take a word he says seriously. If I ever vote for him it would be because Obama is far worse.

  • snowshooze

    …nt
    But keeping the dang trap shut.. that is gonna be hardest.
    I can take a beating… but I can’t do it without complaining.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    true story

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I think so…

  • marktx

    No matter how many good deals Romney was part of at Bain, if there is even one bad deal, you know Obama will focus on the one bad deal while ignoring the good. And Obama allies in the media will make it the centerpiece of the campaign.

    Romney better have a good answer to the charges. If he doesn’t, the republican party will be viewed poorly all the way down the ticket. During a time when millions of voters are out of work, running a Wall St. guy like Romney is a huge gamble…no matter how successful he was in the private sector.

  • snowshooze

    That would be very interesting.
    But he was pretty chummy with Romney.

  • deVere

    which implicitly would have immediately cut federal spending to 16% of GDP, and required an immediate and drastic decrease in federal employment.

    Congressman Scott Garrett of New Jersey voted NO just like Michelle, and he will be easily reelected. It really is possible for a politician to follow their principles, display some courage, and still get reelected.

  • The_Rebel

    but, as you can tell by the responses, it’s fruitless to deal with the anti-crowd. If they want to see more accomplishments, they can view some of the past comments under my profile. I won’t turn your diary into a thread that looks like a Democrat congressional district, i.e., drawn like a jigsaw puzzle or a long noodle. Bad enough that it’s starting to sound like one.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    because I know you are a patriot and can differentiate Obama vultures from faux Perry-missighted ones

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    it rises…very helpful and if you could crow louder than a meow, you could get a union card and fill in for me…

    cock-a-doodle-do…some dead still walk near the Grand Strand…

    Know what the “Grand Strand” is?

    Hint: sandy

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    agreed

    I so wanted either Bachmann, Cain or Perry to be the nominee. People in jail want out. Eve bit the apple and its been damage control every since…

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    the dreams of da yutes

  • acat

    And I’m more fond of the Golden Isles.

    Mew

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    We dream of unemployed, underemployed and losing business owner voters that wouldn’t want more of the same if only a “bad” story is not told about Romney.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    The Grand Strand is the unique and superior beachfront from the NC line thru Georgetown, SC …

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    superior…Gamecock, post-2011-cat epiphany after my part-time girlfriend rescued a new born kitten and we raised him to discover that cats are conservatives and dogs, God bless them, are Democrats. It be.

  • quill67

    The left attacks companies that make profit even when they did so by producing products/services people buy. Or they attack how much profit they make by these activities. My targets are those who are making money by manipulation without providing a service.

    Honor in business is providing services for your customers at a profit for yourself, and keeping your promises (if you can) to everyone with whom you do business.

    Most owners do not like to fire people and they want to keep their customers satisfied. Needlessly loading a company with debt that endangers these arrangements is not good for the country or economy. It is bad business. Am I for the government regulating all business take-overs? No.

    And Frankly for someone who has gone over to Mitt Romney to preach to me about slouching toward “Gomorrah” takes quite a bit of gall. How do you defend supporting a man who opposed Reagan, opposed flat tax, imposed RomneyCare and plans to push RomneyCare onto each state?

  • pttx333

    c

  • acat

    They’re actually off the Georgia coast.

    Mew

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I have many anti- conversion stories or anti- heads explode stories…both make me happy!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    don’t recommend this diary so that more people will be exposed to their unsurpassed wisdom and witty comebacks! They are more about envy than self-love…like Democrats…smile

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    and their vulture attacks

  • snowshooze

    I have no idea why though. I don’t think he bought the rock story.. and I think the dislike was noted previously.
    But I don’t remember Cain actually attacking Perry…
    Too bad about Cain. I kinda liked him.
    But it is apparent that a lot did…

  • acat

    Which is the model for Obama?

    Dole or Reagan?

    Which do we nominate?

    Acat knows which one Romney reminds him of.

    Mew

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    like others you mention (get the flame suit out …) … and basically a good person.
    He engages in the same kind of sophistry other candidates do, Perry, newt, etc. but that doesnt make him the red-headed stepchild of the GOP race.
    Life-long politicians like Perry and Newt have had better practice at this kind of stuff and their statements are at least as self-serving as what Romney dishes up.

    The attacks on Romney’s character IMHO ring hollow. Still married to his first wife and stood by her with her ailment, supporter for BSA for decades. He’s a fine man, but Newt had it right by calling him a Massachusetts moderate. That’s been the issue w/ Romney all along, everything else, from Bain to dogs on cars, to calling him a liar etc., is just guff.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Every GOP nominee would go through some funhouse-mirror charicature. Dumb Hick Rick (Perry), malevolent angry Newt, Taliban Santorum.

    Romney the near-billionaire, Uber-successful, will get the anti-1% treatment. Axelrod/Obama planned it this summer, and are thrilled to have their #OWS plan fit like a glove into the likely GOP nominee weak points … BUT …

    again, ANY GOP CANDIDATE WOULD GET DEMONIZED.

    It doesnt make that demonization valid or truthful.

  • Xasteius

    which is owned by Bain Capital (Mitt Romney).

    Cain was never serious about the presidential run and was merely a Romney surrogate.

  • acat

    Just sayin’

    Mew

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    vulture capitalists…

  • The_Rebel

    n/t

  • snowshooze

    I am going to take a while on that one.
    I guess I’ll chalk it up.. but it is hard to work with.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    capitalists. Myrtle Beach is a redneck riviera!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    in tei

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    entethe

  • pttx333

    daily dose of 100 smarta$$ pills earlier in the day, and they decided to kick in just before I posted that remark. ;-)

    You do know that Okies call Texas “Baja Oklahoma” don’t you! I think it is hilarious – particularly since I was born in OK but have lived in Texas forever + 4 days! So I have the luxury of laughing at it from both directions. LOL

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    profits

    vs

    once any job is created, they have a right to it, even if that means the owners lose money?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    doesn’t fire on any forts prematurely

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    But one has the right to question his due diligence

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    smile

  • pttx333

    just what I expected, and it rubber-stamps my theories on Romney’s dirty tricks. $$$ talks, and all that!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    man-hating self speechless.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    and like Romney’s, survived the experience!

  • jakeofalltrades

    And I had a glorious takedown of a Nazi Paultard there.

  • pttx333

    a person is either honest or dishonest – sorta like you’re either pregnant or you’re not. Am I wrong here?

  • aesthete

    Good work on the defense of Mittens on his Bain record. As a noted and frequent loather of Mitt Romney, it shames me that conservatives are ignoring the enormous target presented by Mitt’s record in public office, and are instead levying attacks on his mostly excellent record in business.

  • quill67

    Companies lose money because they cannot collude. Are you arguing that we should allow them to collude? They would make more money if they could.

    Yes company owners may have to settle for a little less when they sell if they can and if their moral judgements tell them that a takeover company wants to trash the company. But that is what morals are about. Not just seeking the highest dollar, but doing what is in your self-interest but ALSO considering others.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    What you are missing is that every campaign hires these consultants to stretch truth in 30 second soundbites.
    I wont call Perry’s ‘vulture capitalism’ a ‘lie’ but its certainly not the whole story. Or Newt, correctly accusing Romney’s camp of ’4 pinnocio’ ads, but then getting 4 pinnocio’s for the anti-Bain film.

    Bottom line: I think all the GOP candidates are basically decent, honorable and honest. Including Romney. I wouldnt mind having the Perrys, Santorums or Romneys as neighbors, etc. None of the GOP candidate are clintonesque pathological liars, but I used the ‘basically honest’ used by the prior poster because you can find all of them using the typical campaign tactics that sometimes require a visit to the shower or confessional.

  • tngal

    They’re still doing a certification, which should wrap up this week.

    But it appears as if Santorum picked up a few along the way.

    “One campaign source says the vote count as of midday Monday showed Santorum ahead by 80-something votes.”

    Mitt felt pretty bad when he thought he only won by 8. I’m afraid he’s going to feel pretty miserable if these numbers hold true.

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/york-final-count-could-show-romney-lost-iowa/316366

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  • pttx333

    with most of your post, but not all. But I do not that nobody on the planet can match hitlery and slick!

  • paladin1

    I am not concerned or disconcerted by his opinions. Cain is merely behaving as I would expect a man caught in the cookie jar to attempt to remain relevant in a political atmosphere that has passed him by,

  • acat

    I do have to disagree re. Georgia Islands. There are quite a few bargains to be had, for those willing to do the research… and our friends who moved there are even less vulture-ish (although more religious) than the SO and I.

    Mew

  • acat

    Sounds like the Wisconsin/Illinois rivalry. We call them cheeseheads, they call us flatlanders. They’re happy to take our money when we go north on vacations, but say anything negative about their precious Packers and it gets ugly.

    Mew

  • deVere

    So I think that the popular theory that private fidelity implies public fidelity is overrated.

    Mitt Romney is an exemplary family man and would I believe never seriously deceive his wife. But he loves her, not us. Given a choice I’d much rather vote for Alexander Hamilton(long deceased, of course) or Mark Sanford, men who were unfaithful to their spouse, but so far as I know always faithful to their public duties and political philosophies.

    Nancy Pelosi also has an exemplary private life, but I certainly would never vote for her!

  • pttx333

    play their annual football game, it is an absolute free-for-all! And here I am sittin’ in the catbird seat right in the middle of the fence (if I so choose, that is!). Isn’t it a hoot!!! ;-)

    One of my paternal aunts was a cheerleader for OU way back when and most of the paternal side went to OU. Some on maternal side did, too. The rest are TX college, though none from UT.

    More fun! And I always get a giggle out of the Baja Oklahoma thing!

  • deVere

    I never thought we’d be stupid enough to nominate someone who’s obviously hiding some dirty secret, but we’re almost there!

    I’d also like to see Obama’s college records. My guess is he’s probably listed as a foreign student.

  • Common_Cents

    on his taxes after he wrote it off on the top of his car ;)

  • supergirl2911

    That is probably a deductible expense, somehow. And then you could say he was letting taxpayers subsidize illegal immigrants.

  • quill67

    Some may argue with the morality of your decision but they have not walked in your shoes. I know the misery some people go through in a bad marriage.

    And I agree with you that owners have the right to free themselves of their companies and pursue their life’s ambition. I just suggesting that in making that decision that they consider (at their discretion) the impact of who they sell their business to.

    It is in this way that Bain at times did not seem like a good choice for the owners, the employees, the community, but most importantly the customers and competition. I include the owners because most business owners want to see their business survive after they have left. They want the good employees who were loyal to them to not be displaced needlessly. Again. This is not for the government to decide but it does give some indication of how well-run Bain was. If Romney were to say, yeah, we didn’t like how some of those things turned out. We got involved in businesses we didn’t fully understand but we learned from our mistakes–I would be willing to accept that answer IF the record does not show it is still going on.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    good job there based upon what I know. I am repelled by those that seek to advance their own interests by vague blame assignments for unemployment that seeks to exploit people’s economic ignorance and smear the wrong people and advance the fiction that people are entitled to lifetime employment at another’s expense. That is what Democrats do all the time and defines their disgusting modern day liberalism and when Perry and Newt played into that, they lost me.

  • acat

    I just don’t see it, G.C.

    Can’t eat honor. Can’t spend it. Won’t have much left to spend if Obama gets another term…

    Mew

  • circlegranch

    capitalism during Meg Whitman’s race?

    MSNBC just reported live from Romney’s first campaign stop today in Florence, SC. Mitt stayed on his bus 20 min. past schedule in hopes a larger crowd would show up. Finally, he came out and started his speech which is framed about his being the most electable. Romney aides urged those in attendance to move up to the stage to create “crowd crush” . Cameras were filming from the back, however, and captured the small gathering of supporters.

  • circlegranch

    MSNBC reported from the first campaign stop for Romney today in Florence, SC. A much smaller crowd turned out than expected, so aides kept Mitt on his bus for an add’l 20 min, hoping more would come. Aides urged those in attendance to push toward the stage to create ‘crowd crush’. TV camera’s were filming from the back, however, and revealed the small gathering.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    if Mitt holds on in SC…