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Rush glimpses Romney’s conservative core

The biggest story of the day  that no one is covering occurred in the closing few minutes of today’s Rush Limbaugh program.

El Rushbo says Romney has a Polkian-conservative core:

RUSH:  Folks, I must be honest with you.  I hear this all the time from people about Romney, and I know him and I’ve talked to him.  He came here and he sat down and he told me what his plan was, and it sounded like anything you and I would say. He even said to me, “If I accomplish everything I want to do, I may only be a one-term president.”  I said, “What do you mean?”  “Because I am gonna so fix this. It’s gonna be dramatic. We’ve gotta reverse this. We gotta stop this. Our children’s future is at stake here, and I’m gonna stop the direction that we’re headed, and if they throw me out after four years, fine and dandy.”  And from right here in this studio he left to go to a huge fundraiser here in Palm Beach.  First traffic jam I have ever been in since I lived here trying to get home. (interruption) No, I don’t go to fundraisers. Of course I wasn’t invited. I don’t go to those things.

But anyway, what she just said, no core, I can’t tell you how many people I hear this from.  And it surprises me a little.  There’s gotta be some core there.  There has to be some core.  But there is a tremendous amount of, what is it, suspicion, distrust.  And I know why.  Back in 2006, (imitating Romney) “Oh, no, I’m not really conservative. Yeah, I had to vote for Paul Tsongas, a Democrat, there weren’t any Republicans on the ballot.”  Then there’s Romneycare and all that.  I think the note I read from my friend really sums it up.  The Tea Party did all the heavy lifting.  The Tea Party actually presented this opportunity.  I think some of the anger at Romney is actually anger at the Republican establishment itself.  Maybe I’ll develop that, talk further about that next week.

President James K. Polk (D-TN) made America’s  sea-to-shining-sea destiny, manifest. Remember 54’40″ or Fight, the Alamo and that the Charlotte-Mecklenburg, N.C. native promised one term, delivered on his promises and chose not to run.

Mitt Romney can be trusted to do us right. I have always seen the character that will do what he says he will do. It seems Rush has glimpsed a man we can trust as well.

Mike DeVine

Atlanta Law & Politics columnist –  Examiner.com

Editor - Hillbilly Politics

Co-Founder and Editor - Political Daily

“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

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COMMENTS

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    he?

  • Stricia

  • civil truth

    Steel, rubber, paper mache? Makes a lot of difference…

  • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

    Rutherford B. Hayes is a Republican instead of a Democrat pro-slavery guy like James Polk. Rutherford B. Hayes also kept his pledge to serve only one term, and unlike Polk he was preceded by another Republican and lived for 30 years instead of two months after he retired from office.

  • JSobieski

    Reminded me of Bush talking about Putin. Wishful thinking.

  • aesthete
  • JSobieski

    All those years of reason over emotion, literalville,etc. I will support Romney, but unlike Rush I will not lie to myself about it.

  • JSobieski

    Rush pointed out that he isn’t close to any of them. If not close, how in heck does Rush know anything that we don’t.

  • SoFiMil

    Then he insisted he never said any such thing, even when a Rush Baby played the tape back to him.

    All to make a point as only Rush can.

    Hoping this is what he’s up to. Can’t fool me, Rushey. : )

  • snowshooze

    Plus, I have NEVER seen ANYONE make such an utter fool of themselves in live debate.
    Perry got his goat twice major league.
    Mitt will blow it. Guaranteed.
    Wanna bet? How about 10 grand, and I am not concerned about the poor.
    I got my dog on the car.

  • quill67

    Because if Romney is really a Conservative then he has been hiding it all these years and then how do you trust a man who can act so convincingly one way and really think another? Which is the act which is real? And why did he act that way…To get elected…so if popular opinion turns against conservatives will he abandon us?

    No. This does make me feel better because at least I can HOPE that if I have to vote for Romney that he might be a conservative. But the language he uses does not give me hope–nor do his actions.

  • Xasteius

    Will you join me?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    just reporting
    It was a Rush tease.
    We shall see on Monday.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    smile

  • clintonformccain

    Do you guys trust ANY politician? They all say what they have to say when they are running for office. For pete’s sake….

  • snowshooze

    I will get to lessor details later.

  • snowshooze

    Romney is neither.

  • snowshooze

    What you are thinking… I could care less.

  • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

    Maybe that explains Rush’s brilliance. Also I goofed on my original post. I meant that Hayes was succeeded by a Republican, and Polk was succeeded by a Whig. I also exaggerated how long Hayes lived after he retired. Hayes died 12 years after he left the office, and Polk died 3 months after he left the office.

  • SoFiMil

    Sorry I can only embed the You-Tube icon version as I’m on my smart phone.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCz7na72-V4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  • demsaresatanic

    Rush loves to tease his audience from time to time.

  • UpLateAgain

    The idea of voting for Romney has always given me a kind of desperate empty feeling in the pit of my stomach…. not unlike I had when I pulled the lever for Bob Dole and John McCain.

    So this is encouraging, since he’s almost certain to be the nominee, and I’m going to have to vote for him. I’m not yet convinced….. but I feel better about it than I did ten minutes ago.

  • lastgopinillinois

    Yes to both.
    Theres no hiding Romneys liberal record, flip-flopping and distorting the facts. He was never conservative before. Just because he “talks” conservative now, why should I believe him.
    Empty, talking suit.

    Anybody see Newts Georgetown university speech on Wednesday ???
    Now there is a conservative. Now that is Presidential. That is the stuff we need to TEAR DOWN this bloated government. Thats what I want.

  • aesthete

    IMO, Rush’s track record for telling who is conservative has been quite marred over the last few years.

  • demsaresatanic

    good job.

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    I’ve been a Rush listener since 1989 and am a 24/7 member. Regarding this election, Rush has always said he’d be all in for the nominee after he or she was chosen, but not before. If Romney went down to Fla. and sat with Rush fine. If this is what happened it sounds like Romney got emotional and Rush is getting emotional. I’d like to know, did Rush tell Romney he’d be happy to give him his total support if he promised in writing to stop all US taxpayer funding of global warming research here and abroad, to explain how organized crime is infested in it, that the UN is leading it and has diplomatic immunity, and to publicly state the reasons why global warming is the greatest crime ever invented? Rush has been in front on the global warming fraud for a long time, has read from serious articles on the subject, etc. Romney stood at a coal plant after his election to Gov. with other activists outside a coal plant and said “that coal plant kills people.” Mass. was the first state to trade CO2. Romney’s office as Gov. was used to advance the CO2 case that ended up going to the Supreme Court. The case was “Massachsetts v EPA.” Attorneys from his Mass. office sued the US government to get them to declare CO2 a hazardous substance that was raising sea levels in Massachusetts.
    If Rush can get Romney to make abolishing the global warming racket
    a major plank in his campaign which he fights for daily, then Rush will have helped. It doesn’t sound like that’s going to happen. Rush articulates well what matters to outside the Beltway Americans like myself, but I’ve also heard him completely melt in big spots in the face of the establishment. The big ‘green’ money (translation: the Soros money) is pouring in for Romney.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I have always thought Mitt had a core.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    See also family values and stability including that his dog continues to live while enjoying rides atop the car.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    get it? smile

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    unleash coal, oil and gas.

  • JSobieski

    No there does NOT. Similar logic has been used with respect to Ford, Dole, and McCain. Wishful thinking is not a substitute for evidence.

    Romney is vastly superior to Obama. But if Romney is a conservative, he is a stealth conservative and a stealth candidate like no other in modern history.

    One of the reason we got into so much trouble with W was that we really really really wanted to believe that he was a bit more than he was. Let’s not repeat that mistake.

    Romney could make an excellent President. However, there is little to show that he is motivated by any degree of conservatism that exists at his core.

  • Scope

    Seamus would be something like 30 some years old if he continued to live. Seamus deserves every minute he spends in doggie heaven, after the treatment he received by the Romney’s. I’ve already seen the Obama ad with Bo seated comfortably “inside” the vehicle looking out the window while going for a ride. Heck didn’t we read that Bo had his own personal taxpayer jet ride to vacation in Hawaii with the family? The Romney luggage took precedence over Seamus on that vacation, even though the luggage wouldn’t have pooped itself, and Romney wouldn’t have had to take it down off the roof and hose it down at a gas station. The liberals are very good at using the emotional angle, and I expect we will see dogs on stage behind Obama, much like all of his so-called normal people props and their woe is me tales.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    the Romney car was hazardous to his health.

    But yes, we may lose the ignorant PETA dem vote to Obama!

    btw, For the last 5 years I have taken care of rescued dogs.

    Vote Mitt! and let the dog have his day in the breeze…

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    The peanut gallery throws around the charge of “NO core” and is never challenged on the absolute ridiculousness of the use of such absolutes as “no” core. The man is a man of character that clearly has been moving to the right for many years and has policy positions that, as Rush says, we would all like.

    I have always detested the use of the words “all” and “none” in most contexts, because they are rarely appropriate.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Shall we now have a mile-long thread over the word “core”?…smile…not me

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Mitt is swell too!

    An update for Scope et al…smile

  • jakeofalltrades

    for the defense of the Constitution.

    Technically, you can only get that with Mormons. That Romney leans conservative bodes well.

  • deVere

    nt

  • JSobieski

    Romney has no more core than any other past nominee. Romney has no more core than any other current candidate. So there is nothing about Romney’s “core” that distinguishes him from anyone else.

    So instead of looking into his eyes, conjecturing about his heart, looking at tea leaves, etc. why not just say that Romney is the better choice and leave it at that?

    This need we have to love our guy even though we spent that last couple of years knocking him is unhealthy.

    Romney is the better option, but conjecture about his “core” is unhelpful. Frankly, we need to be prepared to push back against all of our DC politicians should they win, and that will require a clear non-emotional perspective on Romney and who he is.

  • JSobieski

    DNA tests confirm that Romney is a human being!!!!

    Is this newsworthy?

    Maybe a bi-partisan story about how neither candidate eats children for breakfast? LOL

  • burke

    Honestly, Romney’s been my most-favored candidate since Huntsman dropped out, but this full court press by the establishment to attempt to coerce people to vote Mitt is kind of ridiculous.

    I don’t know what Rush is talking about. It sounds to me like Rush thinks he can persuade his listeners to believe Romney is truly conservative based on Rush’s say-so, even though Rush doesn’t even know Romney. Can somebody say delusions of grandeur?

    Where’s the positive argument for Mitt? Or at least the favorable comparisons with Obama? That’s how you get Republicans who are skeptical about Romney to get more excited about supporting him. (This is all about getting out the vote, you see.) This whole vote for Mitt because we say you should is a bit tiresome.

  • barleycorn

    Reacting with emotion instead of careful consideration is not limited to the left.

    The reasons are several I suppose. People of all stripes are angry, upset, afraid etc. And then too, thinking can be hard work while emoting is always easy.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    That Rush chose to reveal a private meeting with Mitt in January in the waning minutes of his program on Friday and that he disagrees with those that say Mitt has “no” core is the news.

    And GC is rather confident that no later than Monday evening the conservative blogosphere will be abuzz about Rush’s statements warming up to Romney. I was first. I won’t get the credit or much money, but Jimmy Crack Corn and I don’t care.

    I was for Mitt (before and after Fred) in 2008 and Rush was at some point because he did show he had moved to the right on many issues. True, he hasn’t served in office since much of his move, but what one says also matters, especially in the GOP because if one breaks a promise (remember read my lips), conservatives will punish you (sometimes with the help of a Perot!). And a Mitt that has made conservative promises will be much more of a comfort than one that has not made such promises.

    But clearly Rush’s statement on Friday is newsworthy, and brother, as you know, I rarely get involved in breaking news, much less try and break it. I am more into book review teases of weeks in duration….smile

  • BuckeyeTexan

    With all his flippin’-and-a-floppin’, he wouldn’t last six months in Texas politics.

    Down here a man’s word still means somethin’. Romney ain’t got enough, um, weight in his drawers to keep him from fallin’ off his horse, much less enough “core conviction” to fool a Texan.

    A Texan can look a man in the eye and read his core convictions with a firm handshake over an ice-cold bottle of Shiner.

    I might vote for him to get ObaMao out of office, but I don’t trust him as far as I can see him.

    Regards,
    BuckeyeTexan

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    given his recent meeting with him, as described, and no more than that…imho.

  • Scope

    in the past few weeks that when he is the nominee, the conservatives will like him. I can understand him saying something to the effect that Republicans will do all they can to defeat Obama, who is the most dangerous president, or some such, but to just assume the conservatives will “like him” was a bit much. I don’t even consider his comment to be a gaffe, as he knew all along that he could bully, bomb and buy his way into the nomination all along. Now let’s see if he has reserved the nukes for Obama. He already said in the past that he wouldn’t talk bad about Obama, and refused to call him a socialist on the debate stage. I hope he hasn’t hired any of the McCain staffers and advisers from 08.

  • nepanyrush

    Rush supported him 4 years ago, Coulter makes an impassioned plea for his conservatism every time she writes or speaks, and Ryan endorsed him.

    I think Santorum would be the best President. I was hoping for him since the beginning when it looked like he had no chance. I trust him the most and his Supreme Court picks would be principled picks; he is not someone who will be swayed by public opinion.

    But, Romney was always my second choice, because I have a sense listening to him that he would do a good job and I like the points Coulter made (and conservatives made 4 years ago). Romney is more a CEO sitting at a board meeting than a firebrand, but I have a feeling that he does have a core that will become apparent and drive the liberals nuts.

    At any rate, looking at the states left to vote (NY, CA, CT, NJ, etc.), it looks like Romney will surely win and Santorum and Gingrich are only hoping to get a divided convention. I feel that these last few weeks have been needlessly harmful with Santorum and Gingrich bringing etch-a-sketches. With Santorum not really having a chance, think it is time to coalesce around Romney and focus on our main target Obama. With 4 more years, Obama will pack the Supreme Court and make America a big-government socialist country of no return.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I also have no problem with new endorsements now given the numbers.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    “…he told me what his plan was, and it sounded like anything you and I would say.” I suspect we will be hearing more detail next week. But I mean I have heard Mitt describe support for many conservative positions that are more conservative than some Republicans. But hey, to be a mere Republican is to be FAR< FAR superior to a Democrat of any strike and to have some core that is quite good.

  • Toby Calvert-Lee

    Although previously an ABO guy, I realized recently, that his platform is actually more Bold thhan Reagans was. He’s going to be the nominess, and he would make a great president. Dont look at what he had to say in order to get elected in Massachusets, look at his record. And look at this: http://www.redstate.com/calvtob14/2012/03/31/in-defense-of-mitt/

  • JSobieski

    What Romney told Rush during one meeting? This is evidence of what?

    (1) That Rush is getting soft
    (2) That Rush like all of us desperately wants to believe that Romney is a conservative at heart.
    (3) That Romney is a politician who is willing to emphasize certain things in certain audiences

    Oh my gosh—a politician who tells an influential conservative in a private conservation and without identifying any specifics —that they will be conservative. At least Bob Dole was willing to say “If you want me to be Ronald Reagan, I can be Ronald Reagan.”

    The Rush conversation is at least two tiers beneath that, and the Reagan statement by Dole was of absolutely no value.

    Romney had the most tepid economic plan until forced to up his game. In terms of specifics, he has skillfully avoided identifying any cut outside of repealling Obamacare. At least when Bachmann spoke in non-specific cliches, Bachmann was saying things she had always said.

    I acknowledge and have repeatedly acknowledged in the past that Romney could be some kind “stealth conservative” candidate. I hope it is true.

    However, there is no evidence that supports the conclusion that Romney is materially different than Ford, Dole, McCain, et al. To the contrary, Romney was the most moderate of the contenders this year. This is true in what he has said as well as what he has done.

    if Romney insists on being graded on a blue state curve because of Mass, tea party people are entitled to grade him on a tea party 2010 curve because of the general mood of the country. The most conservative thing Romney has done or said on the stump was to be seen smiling while standing next to Paul Ryan. It aint nothing, but it aint much.

    One conversation between a politician and an influential member of the base is no basis to conclude anything about Romney.

    There are people out there who have some basis to say something about whether Romney is some type of Manchurian Candidate conservative—-but Rush is not one of those people. Rush has repeatedly said that he doesn’t know any of the candidates in a meaningful way.

    Rush should be careful to avoid the Bush-Putin silliness.

  • JSobieski

    Rush has repeatedly said that he doesn’t really know any of the candidates. Given those repeated statements, the idea that Rush can make any useful observations about the “core” of Romney is laughable. Politicians never pander to important/influential people in a political campaign, right? At least Bob Dole did it in public.

    In literalville where I live (and where Rush apparently used to live), a public figure saying “I spoke with X in private, and X really convinced me that he has some kind of core that you would like” is worth absolutely nothing.

    If Romney is afraid to say things in public, he will be afraid to SELL them to the public.

    I don’t like stealth campaigns. Snyder ran one here in Michigan. He is a good governor, but I think that stealth campaigns avoid the hard work of convincing the public.

    Romney may “support” Ryan’s budget, but if Romney is too scared to talk about it with primary voters, he won’t be able to sell it to independents.

    In summary, if the news is about Rush it is bad news because it shows that Rush is violating his own rules about how to process information.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Eve bit the apple.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    for further clarification.

  • krish

    Karl Rove when Bush was spending money as if there is no tomorrow! Mittens know if he plays to Rush’s EGO (capitalized since it is huge!) & tells what he wants to hear, Rush will fall for it (may be Rove is advising Mittens?).
    Romney probably contradicted what he told Rush later in the fund rasing meeting!

    Does anybody believe this crap – Romney saying he would be content to be one term president because he is going to be very conservative & change the course of government!! If Republicans are so gullible, no wonder the elected representatives Bohener, McConnel say one thing & do another thing in congress. Republican party is doomed for the forseeable future!

  • snowshooze

    nt

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    GOP had its biggest landslide since 1948 in the most recent election.

  • tnguy

    ….Rush is just gearing himself and his audience up to support Romney, as despicable as that thought is.

    Rush eventually supported McCain, and there are few republicans (if any) he has been more critical of over the years.

    Romney’s not a conservative by any measure. It’s a flat out lie to even pretend so, and Rush knows that as well. But he’ll do his best to get his audience comfortable with the notion anyway.

  • aesthete

    on his show, and that that was harmful for the conservative movement.

    Rush is a sometimes entertaining talk show host. He’s not conservative Moses. He gets things wrong sometimes, and does not have the ability to ascertain character and core convictions with a single meeting that was no doubt wargamed by Romney’s campaign and consultants.

  • aesthete

    Do you think that it’s healthy for conservatives to lurch from outright hatred to fervored defense of a candidate on the flip of Rush’s switch? Do you think that conservatives’ defense of the Bush administration’s many missteps was good for conservatives or the country?

    I don’t.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    You know that I am a 20+ year everyday for all those years dittohead, right? And that talk radio has been the background in my office for most of that time and all of the past 14 years. I know Rush and of Moses (Southern Baptist born again believer…Praise God!) and never confused them.. Moses only had Ten Commandments. Rush has at least 3 times as many Rules of Life.

  • http://jakespeaks.wordpress.com/ Jake W

    NT

  • http://jakespeaks.wordpress.com/ Jake W

    But I’m still not pleased with it.

    Mitt Romney will go, in general, with what looks good at the time, I believe, so if we want him to be conservative, we have to keep up the pressure on him more than with most politicians.

  • http://jakespeaks.wordpress.com/ Jake W

    I’ll go on record here as saying I think he can win this election, moderate and core-less or not.

  • acat

    because we’re going to elect an unknown quantity or Obama to the White House….

    Mew

  • JSobieski

    folks, we need to defeat Obama and Romney is on board with doing X, Y, and Z. The differences are significant, even if Romney is not our first choice.

    The dishonest way of doing it is to look into his eyes, heart, soul, etc. and make some abstract assessment about who Romney is based on limited interactions with him.

    I will vote for Romney enthusiastically, but please don’t spin so excessively as to make the exercise distasteful.

    Romney’s core is no more conservative than Dole, Ford, or McCain. Maybe Nixon had no core, but everyone else had some.

    So we can either resort to counting the number of angels that can dance on a pin, or discuss the realities of what we face.

    Lying to ourselves for purely motivational purposes is a bad approach.

  • JSobieski

    Seriously though, if you listen that often you know that Rush has often disclaimed having an real personal knowledge of the candidates. That distance is purposeful. It makes Rush’s statements on Romney quite puzzling due to the inconsistency.

  • http://www.itsaboutliberty.com IronDioPriest

    …that Rush said “Romney’s not a conservative”?

    This is Limbaugh being a good Republican, reading the tea leaves like everyone else, and coming to the conclusion that in spite of the burning insatiable desire for someone – ANYONE – to rise up and grasp the conservative mantle and claim the GOP nomination, it’s going to go to Romney, just like Rove and the rest of the GOP establishment bastiges said it would, so we’d better stop hammering him and start pretending like he’s our guy.

    As King Theodin said when the inevitability of everything he was trying to avoid closed in around him, “How did it come to this?”

  • Flagstaff

    Good Jake.

  • Flagstaff

    Satire. Not serious.

  • Flagstaff

    He does make mistakes. Sometimes different people think different comments are the mistakes. Doesn’t mean any of the people are right, just that opinions vary.

    Rush has obviously not been in Romney’s camp so far, but that doesn’t mean he likes to hear irrational criticism of anybody, including Romney.

    The woman’s comments were her opinion, but went pretty far towards being personally insulting. Not necessary or helpful, and probably painful if said about someone whom you know they aren’t true about.

    I don’t know where the critics of Rmney got th information he was a demon. Looks like a well-meaning Republican to me, and better than 9 out of ten of them. I have no problem with him, but he didn’t run negative ads against me.

    OTOH, aren’t negative ads part of the process? Isn’t that what every Santoum speech contains at some point, a negative comment about Mitt, sometimes not an accurate one?

    Whomever we nominate, I hope he knows how to hit The Won with a lot of negative ads. And every one can be honest as the day is long.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    seriously

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    and not the people they imagine are Reagan-clones that a brokered convention would obviously produce and/or the gnashing of teeth when they realize that no true, competent tea partier/conservative on all major issues ran that was also a competent campaigner. Life’s bitch and then you die. But Obama is worse than a bitch and almost as bad as death. Vote GOP and be happy about it! Heaven is after the grave, not in this world. But it can be better under the long-term Precinct Committeeman plan…

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    skills will be a plus against The One.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    how one get said BE a conservative is illusive, and not just for Mitt. I don’t waste much time on the mystic determinism of whether the mix of history and policy of a man get people to say he “is” a conservative. I want to know what policies he promises to implement and whether they are conservative, ie will work to make American prosperous. Rush seems to believe that Mitt will work to enact conservative policies to fix what ails us, and yes, at some point we all do and will need to pivot towards the reality of a an actual flawed candidate vs the demon in the White House.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    but that conversation doesn’t get anyone anywhere when everyone that get called “a” conservative also has a history of non-conservative advocacy. ALL of them. Everyone’s favs have flaws that call into question whether that person “IS” a conservative.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    want to tune in to his show Monday and everyday for that matter. It can’t but help you!

  • Scope

    according to this article Mitt Romney is Goldman Sachs. Of course Romney would once again come out in favor of TARP, as it apparently saved his “blind trust” assets, unlike those who lost their retirements along with their shirts in the financial meltdown. In 08 during the Bush presidency, as well as in 10 with the Obama presidency, Goldman Sachs got the highest amount of bailout dollars via TARP, and that is just from the scant information that has been released.

    Then read this article which shows more than just a little support for the Romney campaign coming from Goldman Sachs and it’s employees.

    In 08, when so many were begging voters to look behind the Kevlar curtain shielding Obama and his various more than shady ties, nope, the propaganda machine was in full swing to make light of information that would most certainly have turned at least a few heads. The propagandists convincingly portrayed all those ties as nothing to see here folks, just move along. They ridiculed those that were trying their best to show how dangerous Obama would be as president. Now 3+ years later, Obama has proven to be as bad as was reported back then.

    It is astounding to me that the right wing propagandists, are doing the very same thing with Romney now in 2012. There has been a kevlar curtain erected in front of the Romney records, his ties, his past dealings, and we once again have so many willing to take the word of those that have chosen Romney, just as Obama was chosen by the progressives. We mocked Obama ties to Bill Aires, Rev. Wright and a host of other characters. If it is in fact true that Jon Corzine is one of Romney’s close personal friends, after Corzine just lied through his teeth and perjured himself before the Congress, for billions of dollars that just vanished into thin air, shouldn’t we be looking at Romney’s ties in the same manner we looked at Obama’s in 08? Wasn’t Corzine the CEO of Goldman Sachs in 2010 when they got billions of taxpayer dollars in the second half of released TARP funds, that also financially benefited Bain Capital at least indirectly, as well as his “blind trust.” The economy is fragile right now. If it hits another major snag as can be expected from the Obama policies, will a president Romney do another TARP type bailout of his buddies on Wall St. Big dollar donations don’t come for nothing, he will be obligated to those that put him in the WH. Didn’t we start out the campaign season with warnings that you needed to follow the money, to know who that person will be beholden to.

  • JSobieski

    One topic is a large subset of the history of economics, the other is a private conversation (why private?) that lasted for how many minutes?

    Either people are making too much of the Rush comment (everyone has some core after all), or Rush is making too much of a single private conversation with a politician in the middle of a campaign season.

    If Romney is unwilling/unable/scare to sell specific conservative ideas in a primary campaign, he won’t do it in a general campaign either. Even if he wins…it will be extra difficult to govern on things he didn’t campaign on.

    The Romney stealth campaign (which is a best case scenario) is one of the close clever DC-pundit-campaign consultant ideas that will end up biting us in the collective @$$.

  • http://www.itsaboutliberty.com IronDioPriest

    If Romney were to actually govern how he’s campaigning and actually implement the policies as President that he’s promising to implement as a candidate, he’s be the most conservative President EVAH.

    He’d make Ronald Reagan look like Orrin Hatch.

    But you and I both know that Mitt Romney is not that man, and we both known that he will not govern to the right of Ronald Reagan.

    So we must ascertain to what degree we believe his campaign rhetoric, and to what degree we believe he is saying what he thinks he needs to say to garner the nomination that he has been seeking for seven long years at great personal cost.

    For that, we go to the record. We listen carefully to the rhetoric. We compare the two. And then we check our gut.

    And in the end, we must choose between the devastation of the most hardcore Leftist ever to sit in the White House, or someone else, whomever it may be.

    It now looks like due to perseverance, circumstance, money, momentum, and ineptitude of other candidates, it will be Mitt Romney. And so our choice pivots to one between Barack Hussein Obama and not just “someone else”, but Mitt Romney.

    Rush Limbaugh and most conservatives now see that choice for what it is. But I don’t believe for a second that Rush Limbaugh has had a sudden revelation of faith that Mitt Romney is going to be the President he is claiming he’ll be. Rush just knows the country cannot withstand 4 more years of attacks from within by Obama.

    I believe Rush, like myself, is resolved to make the best of a nomination process that has played out in a way that only our nightmares dared ponder.

  • JSobieski

    List of cuts: Obamacare . . .. and other stuff

    Entitlement reform: Supports it, but won’t talk about it voluntarily, much less try to sell it.

    Romney is either running a stealth campaign (best case scenario) or hoping to convince conservatives that he is running a stealth campaign (worst case scenario).

    At some point, Romney is going to have to support a platform of policy rather than merely a narrative of biography. A President will ultimately need to sell his ideas to the public. Romney’s strategy of not talking policy (a salesman deciding not to try and sell) is only in the best interests of the center-right if one believes our policies to bad unpalatable to independents.

    Update: I just had a conversation with Romney’s brother (a former law partner of mine here in Michigan). Folks—Romney is 100% conservative. His action plans are AWESOME. I can’t talk about the specifics (private conversation and all), but trust me…. we are talking great stuff!!!!! So all you Romney skeptics talking about the past can just knock it off know. Nothing to worry about. Get with the program folks!

  • JSobieski

    Takes too long, and results in too many #&@^ typos.

    Time to buy a tablet.

  • SoFiMil

    :)

  • SoFiMil

    Your vote of confidence goes far in reassuring this non-Rom.

  • rightlane1111

    What to do…what to think. As Scope has pointed out…there are facts about Romney that we really do not like. To get down to the nitty gritty…Romney has not been schooled in socialism/communism. He’s a capitalist. Maybe has some shady friends…but still, he is not a STRICT Collective, Obama is.

    President Obama, by his very own words and also those facts that have come to light show that our President does not believe in Capitalism, individual freedom and his mentors and advisers are either Communist or Socialists.

    So the difference between Obama and Romney is rather quite simple. Romney might bleed us dry through excessive spending (see his record in MA) but can be contained by a Conservative Congress and Obama will bleed us dry by “giving our money away to other countries” in order to finally attain his ideology. Obama will pass EOs to get what he wants.

    As was said earlier, Romney is a gamble. Re-electing Obama will result in exactly what his “transformation” goals are…and those do not bode well for America.

    Where I live, people do not like Romney but they hate Obama. Our problem this November is to get as many Conservatives to the polls as possible. Letters to the Editors would really help because I have a feeling that Romney is going to need all the help he can get once Obama plays the “Rich Wall Street Guy” Card.

  • westcoastpatriette

    That last paragraph sounds surreal coming from you. You’re not going to leave us hanging like this are you? Come on…say more, please.

  • habeumnominee

    That Texas?

    I seem to recall the LBJ was quite a bit of a flip-flopper.

    As was George W. Bush, Rick Perry, and a bunch of other Texas politicians.

    Sorry if you don’t like Romney. Sounds like you really just don’t like politicians. Welcome to the club. : )

  • JSobieski

    Actually the part about formerly being a law partner with Romney’s brother is true. Everything else is crap. No conversation, etc.

    I was attempting to illustrate absurdity by being absurd. The problem is that there is so much genuine absurdity out there that sarcastic/insincere absurdity no longer stands out as such.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    your friend and find numerous public statements by Romney that include advocacy of many specific conservative policies. Or you can continue to bash the Rush and Mitt strawmen you have constructed here. No worries…I never call threadjacking.

  • westcoastpatriette

    For a second, I thought we had lost you to the world of Romneybots. But OTOH, I just knew you have too much common sense and a natural disdain for dishonesty to admonish us to “Get with the program!” Gave me a good laugh, though.

  • clintonformccain

    A tin-foil hat gold trader nut railing against Goldman Sachs to discredit Romney.

    I’m surprised that you didn’t link one of his Mormon bashing articles….

    Just sayin….

  • EyeofMitt

    of Romney Delusional Disorder. Can you imagine how unhinged she will be following the Romney inauguration in January!

  • Lynn Otting

    Romney can’t even convince himself of what he believes, much less anyone else.

  • Scope

    Right here, right now, is probably the only time I have ever typed “Mormon” with reference to Romney, or anyone for that matter. I could care less what Romney’s religion is, as is the case with many many others. It is people like you that have to focus on that aspect as a sick and sorry excuse, for a sick and sorry candidate. Remember this Clinton, Romney is still not getting support from at least 60% of those polled. When little more than half the states have had their primaries/caucuses, Romney still can’t pull the support of a clear frontrunner.

    I know it stabs when negative information about your candidate surfaces, but I’m sure you’ll just keep your head buried in the sand, humming to yourself, lalalala I can’t hear you.

  • Scope

    I live in the 60% world, not the 40% like you, that have proven that not all the 08 sheeple went home, and came back out this year more well informed, and free thinkers. That’s your problem, not mine. I’ve learned not to fall for right wing propaganda. It is as deadly as when the progressives do it.

  • lapert

    You are reading drivel from a clearly loony website and calling it an article. That you can even mistake Corzine’s tenure as CEO for being anywhere near 2010 just illustrates how little you know of what you speak – and you are sounding as nutty as the nutties Paul supporters with this one.

  • clintonformccain

    Here’s another one of his articles, this one on a site called “conspiracy planet) on how the Illuminati cult targeted him to destroy his life:

    http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=126&contentid=6672

    As I wrote in my previous blog, I became an Illuminati target when I decided to run as a reform candidate in a very corrupt city. I exposed, among other things, a scheme that involved the city’s self-insurance fund that allowed the local Illuminati to siphon off millions of dollars through over-payments, duplicate payments etc. Unable to generate media or political support for an investigation (even the FBI bowed out), I took my campaigns to the people via literature etc.

    I was tailed, received harassing phone calls, forced from my job. They tried to kidnap my son, force another son into “Special Ed” for a slight lisp. I was audited by the IRS, slandered, maligned, threatened etc. When they tried to take my life I fled the city with my family, thinking that things would get better in a new state.

    Come on. If you want to bash Romney, at least give us links from writers who haven’t been carted away in a straight jacket.. Give us something from The Nation or KOS or even the NY Times… for pete’s sake…

  • zachv

    When you start defending yourself by stating, “Well I live in the REAL world ” … I think that basically confirms that you’ve fallen off your rocker. No one with legitimate concerns has to validate them as “real world”. And, unfortunately, the closer Romney has come to clinching the nomination, the louder and unglued the criticism of him has been.

    I mean, I don’t want to offend you, but secrets connections to evil Wall Street corporations? Kevlar curtains? “Fall for right wing propaganda”? Honey, you’ve gone mad. Romney’s winning the Repub. nomination — not taking over the world in some secret conspiracy.

  • Lynn Otting

    Isn’t that what has been happening this entire primary season?

  • Lynn Otting

    Independents voting for someone who has no core, beliefs or values other than his only one true belief which is voters deserve to have me as their President.

  • Lynn Otting

    he will be a one term president says volumes….

  • krish

    I would like to see him spend his OWN millions & attack Obama like he attacked Newt, Rick, Perry…

    My original comment about Rush (have been listening to him for more than 16 years) is that he is pushing something that he probably knows is false! Ditto during Bush term -Rush lost his credibility when Bush team was co-opting the conservatives while he acted like a liberal! We all paid the price …we got Obama!

    If conservatives everywhere had stood up to Bush, may be, things would have been different! Most conservatives (including all the radio talk show hosts) & republicans shouting at Obama for his spending are the same people who kept quiet during Bush term!

    Same story again! We had a great chance to nominate a conservative but most of the conservative voices never spoke against Romney!

    Let us ensure that we elect Republicans to senate & house & hope they will not screw us after they reach DC!!

  • clintonformccain

    Your boy Paul Drocton on Romney and the Mormon Church:

    http://www.moneyteachers.org/Romney+Splits+Mormon+Church.htm

    The Mormon Church is changing. Caught in the Illuminati money trap with Bill Marriott, Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, Orrin Hatch, and the Eccles family, the Church has now become an open ally in the Satanic Psychopathic goal to destroy the United States Constitution, and erasing national borders.

    Don’t miss the whole “article”. Great stuff. Especially the photo of “Romney giving the 666 NWO hand sign”…..

    Baaawaaa haaaa haaaa. Where DID I put my dang tin foil hat, I can hear the black helicopters coming……

  • clintonformccain

    Mitt “Illuminati” Romney, is in political partnership with the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers. In fact, the Rockefellers just released a poll that shows Mitt Romney as the only candidate capable of beating Obama in New Hampshire. (Source)

    In typical Tavistock fashion, Mitt Romney is loved by all things both Satanic and Psychopathic. This is evidenced by the an article written about him by the Illuminati Leadership Council known as the Council on Foreign Relations:

    Wow. This is serious. We’ve got to let them know before it’s too late…

  • clintonformccain

    Better sit down for this one. Your boy Drockton has dug up some incredible dirt on Mitt Romney. I mean, can you believe this, and I quote:

    Mitt Romney doesn’t believe 911 was an “Inside Job”.

    Wow. And to think that I actually voted for him in the primary! Everyone knows 911 was an inside job, right?

  • SoFiMil

    I was wondering if it was sarcasm as well.

  • Scope

    that still would not choose Romney.

    I don’t want to offend you, but you seriously have been brain washed into believing what you’ve been told to believe. Here is how it is done- Long before the first vote was even cast, Romney is the inevitable, Romney is the inevitable, Romney is the only one who can beat Obama, Romney is the inevitable, and did I tell you that Romney is the only one that can beat Obama. When a lie, or persuasion of any sort is repeated over and over, with nothing to prove it, or back it up, some people fall for it, and start believing it to be the truth. Look at the exit polling from the earliest contests where those asked, by a large percentage said Romney was the one that could beat Obama. That was still the phenomenon even in states where Romney lost badly. That is how propaganda is pushed, just keep repeating something, even unproven, over and over until it is locked into peoples brains.

  • morrigan

    is that while it is true that Romney has won “only” 40% of the popular vote do far, it is also true that Santorum has won only 27%, Gingrich has won only 21%, and Paul has won only 10%.

    Or to put it in your language, 90% of Republicans don’t want Paul, 79% of Republicans don’t want Gingrich, and 73% of Republicans don’t want Santorum.

    Put like that, I’d think (hope) that most people can see the problem with the argument.

  • habeumnominee

    This is a democratic process. Everyone in the Republican Party: conservatives, moderates, and libertarians has had a chance to say what they think about all the nominees.

    Romney has gotten way more flak from the evangelical right than he’s dished out. He’s been called: a “non-Christian” (even though he belongs to the Church of Jesus Christ and prays to God in the name of Christ), a “cult member” (even though his church has over 13 million members and has mainstreamed its teachings to the point where they are nearly indistinguishable from those of other Christian faiths), and all sorts of other bad things.

    Newt has attacked Romney by using other people’s money to accuse Romney of being responsible for people who got fired when the company that they worked for got bought out by another company. That is a really harsh attack that would require several logical leaps to be true.

    Conservatives did stand up to Bush. We stood up to Bush on the Harriet Miers nomination and got Justice Sam Alito instead. We stood up to Bush on the guest worker act (aka “McCain-Kennedy”) and it got torpedoed in the senate.

    You say that “most of the conservative voices never spoke against Romney”. Did it ever cross your mind that conservatives like myself, Karl Rove, Jim Demint, Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio, Robert Bok and others accepted Romney as one of our own.

    Did you miss all of the frenetic ranting and raving by Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, and a lot of screechy Republicans on this site against Romney? Were you asleep for that?

    We’ve had a democratic process. Many conservatives, like myself, stood up for Romney when people accused him of being a non-Christian, overly successful, and disingenuous. I find that Romney is the most conservative of the four Republicans who are currently in the running for the GOP nomination. More than that, I like Romney and I trust Romney.

    I’m so proud that the Republican Party that I’ve belonged to for over 16 years (I voted for Bush in 1992 as a non-affiliated voter) finally has the courage to pick someone other than a white, male Protestant as its nominee.

    I couldn’t be more excited right now and I wish more Republicans would stop sniveling and start directing their fire at Obama rather than the presumptive Republican nominee.

  • EyeofMitt

    She spins and like top! It is all in the language used. I believe as the primaries continue we will see the percentages of Romney wins increase. I say let the primaries continue so that everybody can see that the Romney base is much broader in the GOP than previously thought. Scope and her ilk are simply outliers. Some may even call them outright liars, but that is for another day.

  • SoFiMil

    of Rush’s remarks?

    Thanks.

  • clintonformccain

    It’s because the Republican field sucked. That was never any big secret. I mean, did voters need anyone to tell them that Mitt Romney was more likely to get the nomination than Herb Cain? Personally, I did not need to wait for Karl Rove to tell me that. I figured that one out all by myself, with one hand tied behind my back.

  • lineholder

    Seriously, the usage of Romney’s religion versus Christianity has worn out any welcome it might have had. And Romney is a moderate, both fiscally and socially. He is not a Conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

    If you want to win support for your candidate, then at least present an honest argument in support of the man. As it is, trying to present him as sort of Conservative ideal doesn’t hold water and strikes people as a bold-faced lie on the face of it, which causes more arguments to follow.

    If Romney truly recognizes the dangers facing our nation, especially economically, then this is in his favor. Why aren’t you arguing in his behalf on this basis rather than throwing out arguments that will only succeed in setting up the backs of other people?

  • SoFiMil

    LOL!

  • garfieldjl

    Can anyone name anything conservative that Romney has actually done when he was in public office especially when it was unpopular at the time.

    Seriously, I’m hoping Santorum clobbers Romney in Wisconsin and this hits open convention.

    Romneycare is going to be Romney’s achilles heal in this election, so will Bain Capital.

    From a tactical standpoint, Romney won’t enjoy any of the advantages he had in the primary. The fact he had all those advantages and is still having problems suggests to me that if he’s the nominee we’re going to end up with 4 more years. I know people know that I don’t care for Romney, but as someone that is relatively undecided because I can’t stand either Romney or Obama, I’m looking at the fact here that Obama will have all the advantages Romney had in Primary, and that Romney had all these advantages and still struggled throughout the primary.

    I think Romney being the nominee will energize Obama’s base, turns off our base, and I don’t buy the idea that Romney is liked by independents.

    Santorum is right when he says Romney is the absolute worst possible candidate for the Republicans to choose to run against Obama, Romney fits into Obama’s class warfare rhetoric so well that I’m wondering if the establishment that has been pushing Romney actually wants to win, or if they want Obama to be re-elected.

  • snowshooze

    He is a Democrat.

  • Flagstaff

    through excessive spending” we must re-elect the Borrowing-Spender-in-Chief.

    There is no reason to believe Romney will not be as frugal as possible, given whatever Congress he ends up with. He would gladly sign the Ryan budget.

    And you are right about the “Rich Wall Street Guy? Card. They are already pushing the “out of touch” meme.

    Personally, I feel very out of touch with anybody who would vote for Obama. I can’t figure out the stupidity of helping to re-install a despot who does everything he can to hurt the nation.

  • JSobieski

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/12/rush_limbaugh_romney_is_not_a_conservative.html

    “The reason is simple: Romney is not a conservative. He’s not, folks. You can argue with me all day long on that, but he isn’t. What he has going for him is that he’s not Obama and that he is doing incredibly well in the debates because he’s done it a long time. He’s very seasoned. He never makes a mistake, and he’s going to keep winning these things if he never makes a mistake. It’s that simple. But I’m not personally ready to settle on anybody yet — and I know that neither are most of you, and I also know that most of you do not want this over now, before we’ve even had a single primary! All we’ve had are straw votes. You know that the Republican establishment’s trying to nail this down and end it. You know that that’s happening, and I know that you don’t want that to happen, and neither do I.

    Now, as for Romney — and you should know, by the way, that I’ve met Romney. I’ve not played golf with him but I’ve met him, and I like all of these people. This isn’t personal, not with what country faces and so forth. I like him very much. I’ve spent some social time with him. He’s a fine guy. He’s very nice gentleman. He is a gentleman. But he’s not a conservative — and if you disagree, I’m open. The telephone lines are yours. Call and tell me what you think it is that makes him a principled conservative, what exactly is it. Is there something that he has said that shows conservative, principled leadership? What did he say? I’m open to it. Now, we’re told that governors are better than legislators when looking for presidents for a host of reasons.”

    I think Rush said it best when he said the above.

    In terms of Romney’s “specific” policies, I believe he wants to “reduce regulations” and “cut spending”.

    Maybe even cut the “waste, fraud, and abuse” and entitlements?

    LOL There is no evidence of Romney taking on the difficult work of trying to sell entitlement reform. NONE!

  • JSobieski

    Saying that Romney is not a conservative is not bashing the guy. Steve Jobs, Jimmy Hendrix, and Christian Bale weren’t conservative either, but that isn’t to deny their respective talents.

    In terms of Rush, I simply agree with what Rush last year more than what Rush said last Friday.

    My criticism is more of the people jumping on the “news” of Rush’s observation that of Rush himself.

    Drawing evidence of a person’s core from a single non-public conversation is right up there with arguing by authority on the list how to avoid reason.

  • Flagstaff

    Really, what?

  • morrigan

    that still would not chose Santorum.

    Or to the 79% that still would not chose Gingrich.

    (Yes, I know how stupid this argument is – I don’t think that Scope does though)

  • Flagstaff

    don’t want to believe. Terms used in politics are by nature vague. Anybody can call himself whatever he likes. Lineholder thinks Romney is a moderate. You say conservative. I don’t think there is a difference. IMO, conservatives are moderate, but of course LH is using the term pejoratively.

    Note how your argument is “dishonest,” but his, of course, is not.

    A very bad trend we’re having lately.

    I agree that his religion is a negative for him in some cases, but not all. It doesn’t even have to be mentioned, because it’s well known. But to mention it is to play the “religion card,” even though what you say is true, as true as to say that Herman Cain’s color would hurt him in some cases, help him in others, and not be a factor most of the time. Yet to point it out could be playing the race card. I don’t think the religion card is one that is played by Republicans. It just exists.

    Religion does play into politics, but not always predictably. If it didn’t there would be no difference in the way Catholics and evangelicals (is that the same as born-again Christians?) vote. But there is. In several primaries, Catholics have preferred Romney, and evangelicals preferred Santorum. Seems counter-intuitive. Is Santorum too far out for the average Catholic?

    Democrats play these cards all the time, and you can be sure that they’ll do it against Romney, so if that’s a reason to go with somebody else, people should just say so. At least it’s logical.

    I am curious–why is the LDS church not considered to be protestant? Is that their choice, your choice, or common knowledge?

  • lineholder

    Sure, there is. Particularly in this case.

    Go back and look at Romney’s record. Has he been inclined to pursue a course of action that favors state managed capitalism over free-market capitalism? Uhh…yeah, he has. Many times over, actually.

    Conservatives usually trend more in the direction of supporting free-market principles, not state-managed capitalism. (And by the phrase “state-managed capitalism”, I’m referring to government-intervention…the kind of government-intervention in markets that has brought us to the massive size of government that exists at the present time). That’s more or less the point for Conservatives when we talk about “small government” or “reducing the size and scope of government” in the context of the reality that we’re facing.

    Moderates, being in the middle of the political spectrum, don’t really have any strong objections against state-managed capitalistic endeavors. They’re okay with it for the most part, regardless of how much it contributes to the size and scope of government.

    Same type of correlation exists with social issues.

  • garfieldjl

    Santorum and Gingrich haven’t carpet bombed each other the way Romney has carpet bombed the two of them. While there is some animosity between Santorum and Gingrich supporters, it’s very minor compared to the distrust and anger towards Romney’s smear-a-thon.

    I have issues with Santorum, but not to the degree that I would hesitate to vote for Santorum over Obama. Romney’s tactics directed towards fellow Republicans, one could even argue there were some shannigans with manipulating the ballot in Virginia on the part of team Romney. That is a tactic I expect from Obama, not a Republican.

    Do we really want a candidate that is so damaged by their own behavior in the primary (and their own campaign) to verse Obama.

  • garfieldjl

    I don’t particularly care if you choose to acknowledge that fact or not. Santorum supporters and Gingrich supporters are more angry at the behavior of Romney at this point than they are at each other.

    If Santorum were to get out, his support would likely go to Gingrich whom has largely been directing his fire at Romney and Obama.

    Gingrich takes from both camps, but the way Romney is going he may actually get it so the Gingrich camp would be perfectly willing to break completely to Santorum just to spite Romney.

    I think Santorum and Gingrich should start showing up together and holding debates, and that they compliment each other, and go after Romney and Obama.

    One reason why Santorum is a better candidate than Romney and would cream Romney if Romney didn’t have the unlimited cash cow billionaires (whom are likely to fund Obama in the general). One reason is he’s man enough to get on the stage and debate Gingrich 1 on 1, Herman Cain was man enough to do this too, I imagine Perry would be as well, as would Ron Paul. The only one that hasn’t been man enough to debate Gingrich one on one is Romney, and if he isn’t man enough to do that, what is he going to do when has to debate the tele-prompter-in-chief.

    Guess it must be he’s afraid a good shake will wipe his slate clean in the middle of a debate, like any other “etch-a-sketch.”

  • morrigan

    There are not a lot of people around who think like you do. There are three or four people like you on this site. Posting a million comments does not mean that you represent a million people.

    >”the distrust and anger towards Romney?s smear-a-thon.”

    You have this habit of projecting your own emotions onto other people. There was no “smear-a-thon”. This campaign was exactly like every other Republican primary for the past fifty years. No better, no worse.

    >”one could even argue there were some shannigans with manipulating the ballot in Virginia on the part of team Romney”

    One could, if one were stupid and/or dishonest. The only people to blame for Gingrich and Santorum not getting on the ballot in Virginia were Gingrich and Santorum. There were no “shannigans”. There was only incompetence.

  • snowshooze

    Those are great ideas. Romney doesn’t have to debate if he is afraid to do so. This little gambit could flip the whole thing tomorrow.
    It took me quite a while to figure out they were absolutely freaked out that the primaries would continue when their boy got on top on the polls.
    In fact, I was almost gonna bite that mine was a futile position and that I was just a sore loser.
    Not yet I ain’t.
    Yeah, have the debates. Throw an extra podium up there.
    Call him out.
    Then, possibly the Romney supporters will see what he is made of.
    I know, that is a stretch.

  • morrigan

    >”the Gingrich camp would be perfectly willing to break completely to Santorum just to spite Romney.”

    Latest RCP average for Wisconsin: Romney 40%, Santorum 32%, Paul 9%, Gingrich 6%. This was before Ryan and Johnson endorsed Romney.

    If you and the rest of the tiny band of Newt bitter-enders throw your support behind Santorum, he’ll still lose. And that assumes that 100% of Gingrich supporters think as you do. You don’t strike me as the sort of person who has his finger on the pulse of reality, let alone on the opinions of other people.

  • habeumnominee

    Don’t waste it on Scope. He is content in believing that 60% of the Republican Party hates Romney as much as he does.

    He and several others here have been using that BS line ever since December when it was “75% of the Republican Party doesn’t want Romney”.

    Now that it’s gone down to 60%, they still think that it makes sense. They don’t seem to understand how the delegate system works or the fact that neither Romney nor any other Republican is competing to get a majority of Republican primary voters, just to win 1144 delegates.

    Don’t spoil my fun by trying to educate them. ; )

  • habeumnominee

    If so, who?

    Will you concede that, of the 4 current candidates, Romney is the most popular with Republican primary/caucus voters?

    See how good that feels?

  • habeumnominee

    Americans simply have to ask themselves one question: “Are you better off now, than you were 4 years ago?”

    If the answer is no, then you need to get rid of the current president and any member of his party who is enabling him to run roughshod over you.

  • garfieldjl

    Romney would be scared to death to face Gingrich without a moderator in the tank for him to save him from Newtzilla.

    Santorum really has rather little to worry about against Newt. I don’t think Newt has an ax to grind concerning Santorum at the moment. Santorum probably now understands why Newt was so upset with Romney (he’s probably rather angry with Romney himself).

    To that off, Gingrich and Santorum can talk entirely about issues, I’ve never seen Romney do so.

    Thing Romney supporters don’t understand, I’m not supporting Romney because I don’t trust Romney. This isn’t about winning or losing this is about trust.

    Having the testicular fortitude to go one on one with Gingrich would be a good start to show that he at least has some backbone, but I don’t think Romney has the courage to do it. He’s the only candidate that when asked, refused to go one on one with Gingrich in a debate.

  • habeumnominee

    Any American president who has the guts to introduce the American people to the austerity that is currently being enacted in Europe and Japan will be thrown out of office after one term, if not sooner.

    But what choice do conservatives have besides austerity? We can’t borrow our way out of this mess. We can’t tax our way out of this mess.

    Governor Walker in Wisconsin had it right. We need to get tough on unions and their pension boondoggles. These boondoggles impoverish everyone but the union cronies who get the handouts.

    If Romney gets tough on unions, welfare recipients, and everyone else that is still sucking from the government’s paps, the outcry against him will be very shrill. But that’s what this country needs: a president who has spent enough time in the private sector to know when and where to trim the fat.

  • habeumnominee

    Comments like yours have gotten people banned in the past. Where are the moderators?

  • morrigan

    I think that the Niners and the Ravens should hold a private playoff game and announce that the winner is the real Super Bowl Champion.

  • habeumnominee

    I hope you didn’t spend too much time planning it out.

  • habeumnominee

    There are theological differences between Protestants and Latter-day Saints.

    Actually, the term “Protestant” has been going out of fashion for years. Very few people think of themselves as “Protestant” these days, preferring the broader term “Christian”.

    The only problem I have with the term “Christian” is that there is no recognized body that decides who gets to call himself or herself a Christian.

    The absence of such a body means that anyone who considers himself or herself a Christian has that right. It applies to Latter-day Saint Christians like Mitt Romney as much as it applies to Catholic Christians like Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Sam Brownback, and Pat Buchannan.

  • garfieldjl

    Particularly with Romneycare.

    Santorum at least is learning how to turn the discussion back to it being about Obama now.

    Gingrich is very good at that too, in fact Gingrich has the bonus of being out of office for as long as he has. He can claim when he left congress we had a balanced budget, apparently everyone whom wanted him gone (throw in the bogus ethics charges) screwed everything up immediately after he left.

    Gingrich puts Obama in a difficult position, if Obama isn’t careful, he’ll end up picking a fight with the Clintons so he has to frame his attacks extremely carefully.

    Gingrich has the advantage of having the experience while being out of it for long enough that it is hard to blame him for this mess without ending up ticking off part of the Democrat base. Remember Gingrich and Clinton, balanced the budget. A lot of Democrats and independents view the Clinton years as the good old days. Gingrich knows he can put Obama in a very difficult position and Clinton supporters, while they voted for Obama in 08, there is still some bad blood between camp Obama and camp Clinton. While they might not go Republican they could end up going third party if Obama falls into the trap.

    Liberals aren’t likely to vote Republican, but that doesn’t mean having infighting break out in their camp because Obama just insulted the Clintons doesn’t help us.

  • habeumnominee

    Romney opposed gay marriage in Massachusetts when it would have been far more popular to support it.

    Romney opposed all tax increases in Massachusetts when the legislature was predicting all kinds of gloom and doom if he didn’t pass any.

    Romney opposed the single-payer health care plan that the liberals wanted and instead worked to support a health care plan that had the endorsement of the Heritage Foundation.

    Romney governed the Commonwealth of Massachusetts as conservatively as a person could govern it and realized in 2006 that the liberals in his state would elect any democrat over him if he had chosen to run for re-election.

    Romney did what good conservatives do when they find themselves in charge of a state that has historically elected only liberals: he led rather than followed.

  • snowshooze

    Santorum at least, does not come off as arrogant.
    Newt.. is Newt.
    Romney thinks he can deal from a position of advantage, but we saw that evaporate a few times.

  • Scope

    You are one desperate SOB, lying piece of crap, you stink this whole site up with your disgusting stench. You wouldn’t know what the truth was if it bit your ass. Just keep pushing your spin, lies, garbage, and absolute devotion to your candidate that most Americans can’t stand.

    Don’t you dare even call me, and those who have free thinking minds, and have done the research “liars.”.

    Obviously you are willing to lie for a living you disgusting piece of shi7. You come here, and post one disgusting comment after the last, calling anyone who doesn’t support Romney every name in the book. Have you missed the message, you disgusting piece of rotted garbage, that you have probably alienated more people, to be against your boy toy, than anything else on this site. You are a liar, devious, spinner, and stupid enough to wear your peewee heart on your sleeve with you posting name. That was frowned upon earlier in the campaign season. No one appreciates anyone who wears their heart on their sleeve.

    Don’t you dare call me, and all those here that have nor bought into the Romney spin “liars.” You wouldn’t know what a liar is if he/she fell over you. You are so deluded with your own lies, spin and deceit that you wreak of it.

    Yeah, you are an idiot and are lacking in any IQ level beyond single digits. If you can’t even figure out that your approach, which is similar to Romney’s, is such a major major turn-off to many, you don’t deserve the right to even type. You are an imbecile and a moron, if for no other reason than because of your bullying and bombing against those that Romney will need in Nov. Good luck with that arsehole.

  • Lynn Otting

    have someone who thinks his goals are worthy of another term. I am not saying that they would or would not., but if he doesn’t think that his goals will be successful, then why should anyone think he will fix the economy?

  • Scope

    of the delegate count you idiot. By talking about the delegate count you prove your stupidity.

  • snowshooze

    Just for the fun of it.

  • Lynn Otting

    if he plans on representing the American people, then he should have no worries about whether he would get another term.

  • lineholder

    I’ve got this article below relating Romney’s involvement in gay marriage in Mass:

    “The standard narrative regarding Romney?s handling of the Goodridge same-sex marriage decision is that the State Supreme Court forced Romney to implement same sex marriage in Massachusetts. But that?s not what happened. Massachusetts is unique in that its state constitution specifically lists marriage as a policy area reserved to the legislative branch, but the court illegally tried to order the legislature to change the marriage statutes. However, even the liberal dominated legislature resisted the unconstitutional encroachment on its enumerated duties and refused to change the marriage statutes. Amazingly, to this day, the statutes continue to refer only to male/female marriage despite efforts made every legislative session since 2004 to change it.

    Contrary to Team Romney?s propaganda, the legislature never acted on this issue, yet Romney repeatedly referred to the court opinion as ?law.? And though the court never ordered the governor to do anything, Romney came to their rescue and unilaterally ordered his Town Clerks and Justices of the Peace to marry same sex couples. Homosexual marriage exists in Massachusetts today solely due to Romney?s executive actions. This constitutes one of the most outrageous examples of executive branch activism in modern history.”

    http://stevedeace.com/news/iowa-politics/the-case-against-mitt-romney/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Massachusetts

    http://libertycounselaction.org/content/Election%20Headquarters/33033/romney_connections_to_the_homosexual_lobby

    The point is…if you are going to support the man, do it HONESTLY. Don’t try to paint rose-colored illusions about his positions when there is evidence galore to substantiate otherwise.

  • snowshooze

    Don’t bother gettong upset.

  • garfieldjl

    [quote]In fact, Romney increased taxes by $309 million, mainly on corporations. These tax hikes, described by Romney apologists as ?loophole closures,? totaled $128 million in 2003, $95.5 million in 2004, and $85 million in 2005. That final year, Romney proposed $170 million in higher business taxes, the Boston Globe reports. However, the Bay State?s liberal, Democratic legislature balked and approved only the less onerous $85 million increase.[/quote]
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/287415/romney-s-tax-hikes-deroy-murdock

    He was pushing for a tax hike that was causing even Liberal Democrats thought was extreme, considering how they love tax hikes, that is scary.

    Irony is I got it from a site that has been shilling for Romney.

    Also I’ve found Romney can be all over the map on Gay marriage.

  • Scope

    hel1 do you think you are with talking about long term members here with questioning their “names” here? You are a new pissant, who decided to come here to promote your creep as the only candidate as though he is God’s gift to the Republican party. You newbies need desperately to get over yourselves, and your ideas that what you say really matters to the RedStaters who have been here longer than Romney has been running for the presidency. That’s a heck of a long time creep. Did I tell you how little your input means?

  • Scope

    the Paul supporters. At least we weren’t obligated to suffer through that insanity. The new kinder tone is getting silly. Remember back when these kinds of posts had to be backed up with some kind of facts, or you were ostracized? or banned?

  • lapert

    It’s pretty funny that someone (you) who was just recently quoting articles of truthers as evidence for their imagined Romney conspiracies is suggesting other are sounding like Paul supporters.

    But you are sounding like, well you from a couple of months ago when you couldn’t come to grips with the reality of Perry’s campaign failure. One may have hoped that when you got past that you would learn your lesson about emotions blinding you but I guess not.

  • morrigan

    Your being here for several years (or whatever) does not make your non-factual claims factual, you illogical arguments logical, or your silly ad homs the wit of Cicero himself.

    And it’s a bit disturbing that I even need to point this out. You need to revise your view of Redstate as a union workshop where “I’ve got SENIORITY, dammit!” counts as a quality argument.

  • snowshooze

    There is no other way to explain their actions.
    If they were truely winning, and doing so on merit, they would welcome all comers and gleefully defeat them in battle.
    Hey, free PR isn’t anything but good, when you are winning.
    They is a peeing their pants right now.
    This makes it actually quite amusing.
    I do not deny that Romney has a better than even chance right now. Never did.
    But as I have now realized, the Romney crowd is cutting and running.
    I have to thank them for bringing this fact home so well for me.
    If they had been a bit smarter, I may not have realized the score.
    I suggest we take our small pleasures where we find them.
    There isn’t much we can do about the larger picture.

  • EyeofMitt

  • EyeofMitt

    (whether heart-related or psychiatric) before posting any more rants tonight. I also find you quite vulgar. Clearly you were never allowed into finishing school.
    As an old-timer you may have been here so long that your memory fails about some basic facts.
    Let’s review, shall we? Much of the theoretical underpinnings and ideals of this site has to do with the REPUBLICAN Party. Mitt Romney is now the Defacto head of the Republican Party. Try to get that through your thick head, woman!
    Happy Posting

  • Scope

    the old fallback when you have nothing more clever to say- take your meds. You really need to get a little more intelligent with your posts. Plagerizing the past comments posted here shows a sign of weakness, dullness, no ability to be unique, and an unwillingness to allow your only two brain cells to rub together to ignite the first original thought.

    I will take Snowshooze advice, freely given mind you, you are not worth any further responses. When you ignore the bots they tend to lose steam. Bye bye.

  • habeumnominee

    I’ll provide it to you since you don’t seem to know what it is:

    (per wikipedia)

    Romney: 504 (not including unpledged delegates)
    Santorum: 193
    Gingrich: 134
    Paul: 27

    Your rebuttal?

  • habeumnominee

    Rockefeller, Rothschilds, Romney, Reagan: they all start with “R”!

    “R”, get it? As in “Roman Empire”.

    It all makes sense now.

    I’m going to get back to digging my bomb shelter. A hard rain’s a-gonna fall.

  • http://jakespeaks.wordpress.com/ Jake W

    And there are some good candidates for us out there.

  • snowshooze

    Being he is a Democrat, I really don’t care what his religion is.
    Were he a Republican, it might be of personal relevance.
    But generally speaking, religion, color, race..they aren’t considerations. This job we are interviewing for is very important.
    Too bad your man doesn’t want to be exposed to any scrutiny, and that both he and his followers seem to think they can stand on his laurels.
    Hey, you guys MIGHT be able to pull the primary that way, but you clearly are not in control of it.
    Even if that works, what is it going to get you against Obama?
    It is going to get you buried.
    Mama!!! snowshooze is MEAN!!!

  • garfieldjl

    The idea that the Obama loving media isn’t going to drag up every bit of dirt they refused to bring out during the primary is completely irrational.

    I’m serious, I’ve been trying to warn people here how bad Romney is for the Republican Party, as has Scope and others.

    snowshooze is right, if Romney is the nominee, he still has to convince the base that he is trustworthy. I don’t know about any other conservative, but if I think someone is about as bad as Obama, why would I vote for them?

    So Romney probably will have even less support from the base than McCain did, despite the fact that we all know what Obama is like now.

    Seriously, I think McCain would be very electable against Obama now.

    Romney is about the only possible choice that Obama could easily beat.

    Heck, Rush Limbaugh with a vp pick of Ann Coulter could likely win against Obama. That’s how bad Obama is.

    Romney is about the only one that could lose to Obama because his record of Governor is extremely similar to Obama’s record as President. Didn’t have as many scandals, but I think people understand what I mean.

  • snowshooze

    Remember, Romney pulled out because McLame had him dead to rights. So… we want to run with warmed over second string losers now?
    That is a certain path to victory.
    Anyway, good luck with that site. I am certain it will be sooo sweet in there that they will be barfing all over each other in a few short minutes. But it could be their perfect world…
    I really don’t like anybody that much that I would want to blindly worship them, day in, and day out…

  • SoFiMil

    but I can do nothing for you”?…

    Seems like he cared about himself more than the innocent unborn.

    Trust me, Homer. Don’t go down this road of moral justification.

  • snowshooze

    I’ve been blasting away, but no substantive defense has arisen for Mittens. I think the Moderators have simply washed their hands of it.
    Or, perhaps, they are filling out their list. get ‘em all in one fell swoop.

  • SoFiMil

    If I was a betting man, I’d say the moderators will soon bid you adieu.

  • snowshooze

    But you aren’t far off.

  • SoFiMil

    of Mitt’s Mittens crooning to John Lennon’s “Imagine.”

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    The church of Christ is a non-denominational, based solely in scripture, follows the doctrine patterned after the New Testament church that was founded on the Day of Pentecost as the inspired word of God as set forth in Acts. And according to Acts 11:26, members of that church were first called Christians at Antioch. I belong to that same church which existed in the mind of God all the way back to the foundation of the world as Paul tells me in Ephesians 1:3-6.

    Further explanation can be found here.

  • snowshooze

    Just a bit too graphic for my tastes.

  • SoFiMil

    .

  • EyeofMitt

    What is the distinction you are trying make in calling yourself a Christian and Newt (a Catholic I think) calling himself a Christian?

  • SoFiMil

    It’s your 3rd point – genuine/disengenous that is my concern.

  • clintonformccain
  • Flagstaff

    you completely misunderstood. I was simply stating the obvious–you have a different definition for the same man. Either one or both of you is wrong, or you have different ideas about definitions of words.

    The difference is of degree, not of goodness or badness. And some of it can be in the eye of the beholder. I’d say he’s closer to right than you are, but I don’t really care.

    And as a conservative, I consider my own position to be one of moderation. There isn’t anything extreme about it.

    The items above you call conservative are reflected in Romney’s campaign platform. And again here.

    His positions may not be perfect, but they are pro free-market and pro

    ?small government? or ?reducing the size and scope of government? in the context of the reality that we?re facing.

    IMHO, Mitt is exactly the kind of new conservative we need in the party. This is about Tea Partiers, but it fits Mitt as well.

    …the things they want?a government that?s under control, that follows the Constitution, that isn?t trying to do everything for everybody while taking their money in taxes to do it…. Picture them not on the middle ground between the Democrat left and the Republican right, but as an overlay stretching philosophically from somewhere left of the political midpoint all the way to the right, soaring above the Republican party. They haven?t come from anywhere; they?ve been there all along. They are conservatives and conservative-leaning independents, Libertarians, Republicans, and even Reagan Democrats that the Republican Party has been ignoring for years.

    Mitt is NOT what I wanted as a leader of the Republican/Conservative Party this year. He’s just the best we have, and he may turn out to be very good.

  • snowshooze

    Gag..choke…

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    ‘nominee’s claim that no recognized body gets to call itself Christian. Regardless of his claim to the contrary, the members of the church founded by Christ as explained in my previous comment has the right to call themselves Christian. I can’t and don’t speak for Newt or the Catholic church or any denomination. They’re free to make their own defense against the claim. I made mine as a member of the church of Christ which is as described above and as further explained in the link provided.

    I think further discussion would likely go into the theological realm, so I’m leaving it at that. There’s a wealth of material about the church at the site to which I linked if you’re interested in further reading, but I’m not inclined to answer more on a political site.

  • hayekwasright

    Are generally considered to be those Christian movements that came out of the Christian Reformation ideologies. When Martin Luther nailed the 95 thesis on the church door and others also began to try to reform the corruption observed in the Catholic church at that time. Protestants were those who protested against what the Catholic church had become. Reformation is generally related with protestantism and trying to “fix” what they thought Catholicism had messed up. LDS did not come out of this movement and is therefore not generally considered protestant. There are also a group of churches that shun the protestant label and prefer the term “restoration” in an effort to bypass the Catholic model altogether and “restore” the church after the New testament model.

  • Seedyrom

    No much of a plan let alone did Rush say anything other than the Romney check cleared the bank. Rush’s contract is up soon plus like others, he is selling out while trying to bait listeners before Santorum has made it through Texas. After Texas then its over.

  • hayekwasright

    And could point to a proud heritage of remarkable statesmen that hail from the Lone Star state. However, I have to admit we have our share of larger than life scoundrels as well. While I share Buckeye’s distrust of Romney, I fault his post for historical and logical validity.
    While on the subject of Texas I will plug Ted Cruz as the candidate for the U.S. Senate that has the core conviction to bring our country back. That other guy (Dewhurst) has done rather well in Texas politics despite lacking some of the strengths Buckeye suggests are required here.

  • acat

    Technically, three years ago was the time, but .. I know math is hard.

    Mew

  • hayekwasright

    …is certainly our best realistic opportunity for progress as conservatives.
    But I will not gloss over the weaknesses of the probable Rominee, nor give up on the unlikely possibility of the GOP coming to its collective senses and bringing a viable candidate out of the convention. I still contend that there is no indication that Romney can win the general on his own merits, though it is certainly possible that enough people will vote against Obama that his opponent may win regardless of who that may be. So why pick such a weak candidate.
    OK, back to the point, let’s really get behind folks like Ted Cruz in Texas and Mourdock in Indiana, so that the resident of 1600 Pennsylvania is less relevant.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    everything in between. And yes, its all funny!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    in the last debate after Mitt gave a rebuttal (turned out to be misleading) to Newt on the Mitt’s actions in Mass re birth control? Newt winked at Mitt and said “good job”.

  • garfieldjl

    How about you provide a link to back it up.

    Remember I watched that debate and I have a very good memory. So unless you can prove that, and I doubt it (or if Gingrich did it was in sarcasm), then I’m not going to consider what you said to be true.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I think this was the last debate. And after Mitt’s rather long answer, Newt is sitting well back in his chair with legs crossed and just winks and the camera is close enough that you can see him smile and his ips look like he says “good job” as simply a courtesy admiring a good debate answer from one man to another. I think I mentioned it in the column I wrote soon afterward and I may try and get that. I didn’t mean anything against Newt or for Mitt by mentioning it.

    Technically, I am still on record with my last and latest endorsement for Newt, although after Santorum won AL and MS, I have hoped that conservatives would coalesce around Rick since he has so many more delegates than Newt.

    But I have also made clear that given all the factors, these 3 are pretty close overall, with Newt being the one that I would rather see in the White House if I could choose the next President between these 3 and Obama.

    But if you were to get the tape/podcast of the debate where they were sitting down, I think you would agree that Newt said that, and that it was actually a good moment for him., imho.

  • lineholder

    Romneycare.

    He had other options. Pro-free market options. Pro-limited government options. He didn’t pursue them. Didn’t even try, as far as I can tell.

    He took the path of least resistance…the path of political expediency. That’s definitely one distinguishing characteristic the man has that could be deemed as “trustworthy”. One point where he’s reliable and dependable. One thing that we can count on that he will do.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Lost in the spin was how close Mitt came in AL and MS in a real good 3-way race where 85%+ voters are Evangelicals. Mitt got around 30%. while Santorum won with just a few points higher. This had near zero to do with religion. It had to do with a desire for a more conservative candidate, but Mitt did well.

    The South will be solid for the GOP nominee in the fall.

  • garfieldjl

    Romney came in third and a bunch of phony exit polls were released showing Romney in the lead at least an hour before the polls closed.

    Excuse me, but it is entirely possible that Gingrich would have beaten Santorum if not for the phony polls which could have caused people to change their vote in a panic.

    What those two states demonstrated was Romney couldn’t win even when the conservative vote was split.

    So stop trying to spin this, the voters clearly rejected Romney in those states.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    then that shoe fits Mitt. 71% of our votes were for Not Romney. Mine went to Newt.

    Bachmann 1,700 0.27%
    Gingrich 182,194 29.30%
    Huntsman 1,044 0.17%
    Paul 30,902 4.97%
    Perry 1,865 0.30%
    Romney 180,244 28.99%
    Santorum 214,540 34.51%
    Uncommitted 9,242 1.49%
    Total 621,731 100.00%

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    Santorum had the momentum in Alabama and carried that to a win. His speech on Monday night before the Tuesday primary was received well, he had a lot of volunteers on the ground, signs everywhere, and he had large crowds at his events the weeks leading up to the primary. I voted for Newt and wish he had won, but the fact of the matter is that Santorum had his act together in Alabama.

  • garfieldjl

    Considering how close Santorum and Gingrich were, the phony exit polls could have thrown it either way.

    I suspect that Romney shilling media were trying to get Gingrich knocked out of this but waited too late in their attempt.

    Further the fact that both Santorum and Gingrich beat Romney after the polls supposedly were that Romney was beating both of them, should tell people something.

    I’m not going after Santorum on this, I think this was a Romney dirty trick. What I’m saying is that AL and MS demonstrated was Romney couldn’t even when the states WITH the conservative vote split. He was flat out rejected.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Only one gets to win, but the result showed that ecen in the Deep South with a near 100% self-identified Evangelical electorate, Mitt comes very close. It refutes the media’s charge against The South of anti-Mormon bigotry.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Only one gets to win. Given the MSM narrative about the South and Evangelicals as religious bigots, I was glad to see my point made, ie that Evangelicals and southerners are very conservative and our problem with Mitt is that he isn’t conservative enough. The fact is that he did well (much better than if Southerners were bigots!) and that he lost due to issues, not identity politics.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Yes, Mitt did a lot of conservative things in Mass in the context of Massachusetts and he does favor many conservative policies now and that is all good.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    of the South against the bigotry charge, the final vote in AL just wasn’t as close as you say. The margin between Newt and Romney was close, but Santorum beat Romney by 5.5%. That’s a significant margin in politics.

    However, I agree that the votes were based on policy/issues rather than religion.

  • acat

    Cat prefers titanium alloys.

    Mew

  • Seedyrom

    My math is just fine. Sooner we stop listening to moderates and liberals the sooner debt math subtracts to a manageable level.

  • Flagstaff

    How do you know your assertions are true?

    He had other options. Pro-free market options. Pro-limited government options. He didn?t pursue them. Didn?t even try, as far as I can tell.

    It’s possible that in Massachusetts Romneycare is the closest he could get to a limited government, free market “solution.” My understanding is that the legislature was going to do something, and it would have been a lot farther left. I don’t know, either. We do know that they could easily override any veto, so working with them would have been more effective than simply vetoing a bill that would have been passed over his veto.

    To save you trouble, I don’t have a problem with his WSJ op-ed in context.