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By: Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary)  |  July 15th, 2012 at 11:02 AM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

Not. Why not just increase student loans, keep tuition high, blame Republicans for not caring about the poor and middle class priced out of an education because they won’t increase student loans even more, and keep the high salaries for the Democrats in academia?

File the above with other headlines you never see, such as:

  • Labor unions voluntarily reduce pay to save company
  • Government employees voluntarily increase their contributions to pension fund to prevent tax increase
  • Teachers voluntarily agree to end tenure and adopt merit pay plan
  • Democrats agree to cut non-defense spending

Democrats constantly demonize “Big Oil”, “Big Pharmaceutical” and Big Business in general and tilt at other faux man-made global warming aka “climate change” windmills such as Republicans as racist, bigot, homophobes that want widows and orphans to starve in the streets rather than prove they “care” by supporting the latest Democrat-sponsored bill. And we fully expect September or October surprises that would “bail out” Sallie Mae and debt-burdened students much like Dodd-Frank bailed out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and let them continue their business and serve as employment agency for rejected and retiring Democrat pols.

Could we please, finally, hold Democrats accountable for the failure of their policies?

How many more cities and states run by Democrats for decades have to reach the Detroit stage of a return of city limits territory to pasture status before voters will quote Sheriff Andy Griffith’s deputy Barney Fife and say fool me for decades, shame on me; and join the tea partier reversal that began with the 2010 election landslide for conservatives?

Democratic Party land use restriction and faux anti-redlining policies fueled Big Housing that burst all over us with The Great Recession and a recovery only for Big Banks on paper that were bailed out by a TARP that President Barack Obama touts as “saving us from the abyss”? Saved? With unemployment over 8% for a record 40+ months and counting? Yes, President George W. Bush and the republicans were unable or insufficiently willing to stanch the lower credit standards and dissemination of mortgage-backed securities, but it was the super-majority Hope and Change Democrat Congress and their President Obama that passed laws and promulgated regulations in 2009-10, AFTER the bubble burst, that doubles down on race-based loan preferences. Translation: Democrats favor continuing the same policies that brought us the economic crisis and downturn we still labor under.

It is the Democrats that are the party of government that devised anti-FDR government employee unions that are funded via wage withholding and which then fund Democrats’ election campaigns. It is such unions’ pension plans that are bankrupting cities and states that prompted the Governor Scott Walker-led revolt in the original “progressive’ state against those policies. Big Union turns out to be more lethal to Liberty-based happiness pursuits than Big Business? Obviously.

The Greed of Big Education and the mob that is the Democratic Party

And then there is their Big Education funding scheme brought to light by the explosion in recent years of college tuition. The bleeding hearts just never seem to be willing to bleed their own wallets to help the needy student, do they? They look to bleed the rest of us as they maintain tenure that long ago ceased to be a force for independent thought, and high salaries fueled by continuing government largess in the form of a government monopoly over student loans that gins up the price of tuition under the radar.

I urged students at Kennesaw State University protesting Republicans in the Georgia legislature a few years ago, to focus their anger against those in the Ivory Tower making exorbitant salaries for teaching courses titled “studies” to take pay cuts commensurate with the blood flowing from their hearts. Crickets…

The mob of disparate Democratic Party factions that divide Americans by race, class and “orientations” for no unifying general welfare economic purpose, but rather only to keep the race, environmentalist, and pro-abortion factions of their party happy; will either be seen as such and stopped in their budget busting and middle class-destroying tracks soon, or we can kiss the exceptional America we grew up in goodbye.

I suspect college tuition would see a precipitous drop when the “Decline and Fall of American Empire studies” course makes its debut. Meanwhile, watch out for Jim Crow and the racist demand that one show a photo ID to vote. The America that self-loathing voters for Democrats wrought will either continue the march towards the Greek cliff or we will change course with Mitt Romney and another GOP 2010-like landslide.

This gamecock is praying and working for the latter from his Stone Mountain of Georgia roost.

Mike DeVine

“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

Atlanta Law & Politics columnist –  Examiner.com

Editor of  Hillbilly Politics and Co-Founder and Editor of Political Daily

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  • APA Guy

    …at a community college…then supplementing that income with part-time teaching at the university level.

    In other words, I refuse to live large on minimal work. It is far more productive to reach students early and NOT bankrupt them than to graduate them with a useless degree and piles of debt.

    Like Jackie Mason said in Caddyshack 2…no money in it, but I sleep well at night :)

  • APA Guy

    For several years, college/university funding was predicated on enrollment. This has swiftly changed to a metric that measures graduation rates rather than simply aggregate enrollment.

    In other words, PERFORMANCE is being measured respective to actually graduating students rather than simply filling college/university pockets with tuition money of students who are looking for a short-term handout (funded by taxpayers, of course) and not dedicated to improving their lives.

    This is a small step, sure…but an important one if our desire to to improve higher education and stop government waste.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    later

  • RealQuiet

    and a good post I might add.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    later and innnteeeee

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    There’s another headline you’ll never see.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    If there’s anything even approaching “justice” in this life.

  • ww2nd95

    Way to much money for everyone..

  • ww2nd95

    NT

  • APA Guy

    Death penalty comes to mind…it has been levied for far lesser offenses at universities, and I don’t think anyone outside State College would complain if the hammer was dropped.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    Given that the people running the sewer knew about this and willfully covered it up, I hope they get sued out of existence and the officials who covered it up should be in jail.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    I favor the death penalty in more ways than one.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Multiple people knew they had a sexual predator of children running around: President of the University, Vice President,Athletic Director, iconic football coach and no one called the cops….NO ONE, Sexual Predator of Children.

  • Dave_A

    I was under the impression that it generates more than it consumes – that the profits from all that merchandising have to go SOMEWHERE, and since the players can’t make any money, the schools get it all…

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    But is a sports franchise a core function of a University?

    They could open up casinos and strip clubs on campus too and make money. Maybe that would be a distraction from research and education. Hmmm.

    It’s time to rethink universities.

  • Dave_A

    I’d rather the school get some money from merchandising sports-related memorabilia, than consume MORE TAX DOLLARS…

    The money has to come from somewhere… And honestly, I’d rather it be from ‘other activities’ (even if they have little to do with education) than from higher tuition or more taxpayer funding….

  • 6eorge Jetson

    but it’s a cash cow for the traditional powerhouses

    For all but the BCS-level powers, it’s a money-loser.

  • checkmate2012

    better happen IMO.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    it is very difficult to “know” if abuse is taking place absent being an eye witness, physical evidence on the child and/or testimony of the child, and the latter is also very often suspect. So that, it is not easy for others to make the leap and “report” abuse, when they have only circumstantial evidence to “report”. These crimes are the easiest to allege for revenge and other purposes given the lack of physical evidence so often. So that then to make the leap and punish a whole institution and all the innocents that depend on that institution over a failure to report seems extreme to me. Not sure what the specific basis of Freeh’s conclusion that so many “knew”. Knew what specifically and how were supposed to “know”?

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    There was an eyewitness, and there were numerous allegations over a period of time which should cause a where smoke there is fire response.

    And what I am most curious about is that at one time Sandusky was being investigated by a DA who was close to bringing him to trial and then the guy mysteriously died in a rather strange car accident.

    That would make me very suspicious.

  • ehosterman

    He investigated Sandusky in 1998 and declined to prosecute after Children and Youth Services (also investigating that event) declared that the incident was not child abuse. Gricar disappeared in 2005, after being involved in a number of high profile durg prosecutions. He was also investigating some corruption in a neighboring county’s government at the time of his disappearance. Kind of hard to link his disappearance to the child mpolestation case since it was seven years prior to his disapperance. Most likely a mob hit.
    .

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    and that case was investigated. “Numerous allegations” is rather vague. Who wants to be the one that calls out the cops and then have no prosecution? No one. this is a very problematic area of the law due to the lack of physical evidence in such cases and lack of witnesses.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    with colleges.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    the one you wear when you’re getting paid to blow smoke about your clients. (And for the record, I have no issue with aggressive defense attys.)

    This is a coverup pure and simple. The whole chain of command, from Paterno to the President of Penn State was involved up to their eyeballs and Penn State is going to be on the paying end of some huge civil judgments.

    That chain of command should face some liability in criminal court in addition to the civil penalties. Once again, for the record, the bishops who shuffled the pedophile priests around should have gone to jail as well, Bernard Law in Boston immediately comes to mind.

    There is no penalty too great for this outrage.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    In 1998, a mother alleged to Penn State police she had seen Sandusky showering with her 11 year old son at Penn State facilities. (This boy would later be known as victim #7 in the indictment of Jerry Sandusky – sexual predator of children).

    At that time, Gary Schultz – VP of Penn State University who oversaw the campus police department sent an e-mail (note to future crooks – the internet is forever – don’t enter into a conspiracy on e-mail) to Tim Curley – Athletic Director and Graham Spanier – President of the University that said:

    “Behavior – at best inappropriate @ worst sexual improprieties … at min – Poor Judgment”
    “Is this the opening of pandora?s box? … Other children?”

    In a reply, Curley – Joe Paterno’s boss sent an e-mail to Schultz saying:
    “Anything new in this department? Coach is anxious to know where it stands.” If “Coach” is Joe Paterno; this would be in direct contradiction to Paterno’s testimony to the grand jury that he knew nothing of this incident – not that it didn’t strain credibility anyway.

    Sandusky told Penn State police that he had hugged the boy naked in the shower and had done it with other children. Did the Penn State police department or DA turn over Sandusky to the Department of Child Welfare; nope they said no evidence and kicked Sandusky loose…you know to “hug” more children in the shower, naked, from behind. Note: at this point the Department of Child Welfare, the Department in Pennsylvania that has jurisdiction over child, sexual abuse cases has an existing 1995 complaint against Sandusky.

    Schultz sent an e-mail to Curley and Spanier saying, “I think the matter has been appropriately investigated and I hope it is now behind us.”

    One year later, Jerry Sandusky seemingly at the top of his profession at 55 years old takes the unprecedented step of retiring for which he is given lump sum cash, an office, emeritus status and complete access to Penn State facilities. He says he wants to give 100% of his attention to the children at Second Mile. A statement that in retrospect (especially given the knowledge they already had) should have scared Spanier, Schultz, Curley and Paterno straight.

    In 2002 (because sexual predators like Jerry Sandusky – sexual predator of children – don’t stop – I think gc knows this) a graduate assistant reports to Joe Paterno that he saw Jerry Sandusky in the showers at Penn State with a child and that Sandusky was anally raping the child. At that time, Curley, Spanier, and Schultz in e-mails had come to the conclusion that they had to report Sandusky to the Department of Child Welfare (you think?) and that Curley would inform Paterno. Curley’s next e-mail says they shouldn’t go to the Department of Child Welfare and he came to that conclusion after “after giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday”. I am sure the Joe mentioned isn’t Joe Paterno just like the Coach mentioned above isn’t Joe Paterno because Joe Paterno knew nothing (#sarcasm). They then hatched a plan together to confront Sandusky offer him professional help and bar him from bringing children on campus and if Sandusky agreed they wouldn’t inform state authorities or directors of Second Mile. The deal was go ahead anally rape children just not on Penn State facilities if you agree you can keep you access to children and stay out of jail. Oh and get help if you want too. Shockingly, Sandusky agreed.

    McQueary got promoted; Sandusky, sexual predator of children, amazingly didn’t stop and anally raped 8 more children we know of before being caught and given the prison cell – he justly deserved.

    Is gc sure defending Spanier, Schultz, Curley, Paterno, and McQueary is where he wants to make his stand?

    This article does contain some plagerism from the following sources (because the reporters did a much better job that I could laying out the story and my goal was to inform not pass the work on as my own).
    Sources:
    Boston Herald

    Deadspin

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    who have decent programs, and for all of the perennial contenders.

    For many others it breaks even. But for smaller universities, yes it looses money.

    However, even that is deceptive. Most universities rely upon the largesse of wealthy alumni. Those alumni are motivated to give by a variety of reasons and sports is one of the big reasons.

  • thescotman

    In your headline was well-founded. Great post!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Sandusky’s superiors had sufficient info to do more than they did and that they should have. I don’t deny that such info exists. I just haven’t read of it. More later.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    “FBS” – Football Bowl Schools and “FCS” – Football Championship Schools. Think Division 1A and 2A.

    There are 120 FBS schools, and according to this article 22 of them turn a profit.

    For FBS schools:

    The median net surplus of the 22 moneymaking athletic departments was roughly $7.4 million, while the median net deficit for the other 98 FBS schools was $11.3 million. The gap of $18.7 million is much higher than the $15.6 million difference in last year’s report.

    So, for the top football schools, 22 of them average a $7.4M profit and the remaining 98 lose $11.3M. Money that could be not confiscated from taxpayers in the first place.

    The picture is no rosier for FCS schools:

    The net operating results show FBS schools are losing nearly $9.5 million on average, compared with FCS schools that are losing slightly more than $9.1 million…

    Bottom line, football is money losing proposition at the college level.

    In addition, I won’t even discuss the stupidity of athletic scholarships that throw the vast majority of football players into an academic environment that they are ill prepared to survive in, hence the necessity for programs like “high altitude tennis shoe repair”, “underwater basket weaving”, “black studies”, and “hispanic studies”.

    Let the NFL start their own farm system, God know they can afford it and the U.S. can’t.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    a teacher – doctor, nurse, etc – is required by law to report any suspicion of child abuse to law enforcement.

    That wasn’t done at Penn State.

    Frankly, when this is all done, I hope the Penn State campus looks like Dresden after the U.S.A.A.F got done with it.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    The comment is here.

    Bottom line, FBS schools lose an average of $9.5MM, FCS schools lose an average of $9.1MM.

    Let the National Felons League go start up their own farm system, they can well afford it. Taxpayers can’t.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    Absolutely no football allowed, ever.

    And change the name of the NCAA’s “Death Penalty” to “The Paterno Rule”.

  • westcoastpatriette

    there is probably ten who will suffer in silence their entire lives.

  • acat

    to their revenue-sharing agreement?

    Perhaps we should demand that college ball leagues develop their own revenue-sharing model…

    Mew

  • ehosterman

    I hesitate to correct yo because I’m likely to be accused of excusing the actions of the PennState administration. However, there are a number of glaring errors in your post, and as bad as this was, there is no need to embellish the record.

    1) The 1998 incident was not investigated by the university because it did not happen on campus. It was investigated by the State college (borough, not university ) police and the Center County District Attorney. It was also investigated by Child and Youth Services. In fact it was the finding fron CYS that the incident did not involve child abuse that prompted the DA to drop his case.

    2) In the 2001 incident, Mike Mcquery never reported anal rape of a child to any of the Penn State authorities. This was initially reported in the Grand jury presentment, but did not match any of McQuery’s subsequent testimony. He also did not report anything to anyone until the next day, which made it difficult to identify the victim. It is clear that he reported that Sandusky was naked in the showers with a boy and engaged in inappropriate behavior , which should have set off alarm bells, but he never reported seeing rape.
    It was pretty clear from his testimony in the Sandusky trial that he believed a rape had taken place, but he never called the police or reported it as rape to the Penn State Adminstrators. There are discrepancies between his and Paterno’s grand jury testimony and that of Curley and Schults as to the exact wording of his report to Curley and Schults that led to the perjury charges against Curley and Schults, but none of the testimony alleged he had seen rape.

    3) While Sandusky’s retirement took people by surprise in 1999, he had previously recieved an ultimatum from Paterno in 1998 (before the incident in question – as shown in the Freeh report) to resign from either his coaching position or this activities in the Second Mile Charity, because he wasn’t spending sufficient time with the team. At this point he was told he would not succeed Paterno and this is what led to his retirement. Obviously, as a pedophile, he wasn’t going to give up easy access to troubled children.

    4) Coaches that retire are treated as retired faculty. Therfore, their retirement packages are similar to those for tenured professors, which proides them with theirpension and an office. Since he had not been formally charged with anything at the time of his retirement, the university had no reason to deny any of his earned benefits.

    5) The 2001 incident was reported to the directors of the Second Mile Charity.

    Of course, the university had been informed that he was investigated in 1998 and that should have set off alarm bells in 2001, and the 2001 incident should have been formally reported and investigated by both the University Park Police department (since it occurred on campus) and Child and Youth services, or4 DPW as it’s currently titled.

    I expect we’ll see further charges against some combination of Curley,Schultz and Spanier for violations of the Cleary act and possibly perjury against Spanier.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    are not funded by taxpayers. It’s pretty common knowledge here in AL that Saban’s salary comes from other sources.

    From a 2008 WSJ article:

    The other problem with the salary comparison is that Alabama taxpayers aren’t paying Mr. Saban, and so his salary doesn’t take any money away from professors. One of the benefits to come out of the rampant commercialism of college athletics is that media conglomerates and sneaker companies are willing to pay huge sums for the broadcast and apparel rights. Thus, Mr. Saban will be paid out of Alabama’s $70 million athletic budget, with little or no impact on academic departments.

    Auburn University football coach Tommy Tuberville, who resigned last week, was paid more than $2 million a year, or about four times what President Jay Gogue makes. But only $235,000 of Mr. Tuberville’s salary came from the university. About $1.5 million was paid from the $51.3 million multimedia and marketing-rights contract Auburn has with ISP Sports. That’s about on par. On average, a top college coach’s base salary accounts for only about 25% of his total compensation.

    The same is true for college basketball. North Carolina’s Roy Williams earns only $260,000 in salary. The rest of his $1.6 million annual compensation is made up of a combination of funds from the school’s $350,000 radio and television deal, about $500,000 from Nike, and a five-year, $3.9 million “retention” bonus that’s being paid to Mr. Williams by the Rams Club, a booster group.

    Duke men’s basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski makes about $1.5 million a year, but just $900,000 is in the form of salary. And while he is the highest-paid Duke faculty member, that happened only recently. Eugene McDonald made $1.2 million in salary before he retired as the head of Duke’s investment arm. Ralph Snyderman made more than $1 million as the chancellor of Duke’s health affairs.

    If side deals don’t pay the bill, wealthy alumni are happy to step up. When North Carolina State thought it would take at least $2 million to find a top-notch basketball coach, the Wolfpack Club, an alumni group that raised about $25 million in 2004, was ready to cover whatever the university couldn’t afford.

    The articles does go on to discuss the influence and perks awarded to the big donors, however, the last two paragraphs are the kicker (emphasis mine).

    If parents are worried about rising tuition costs, which increased 6.6% at public four-year schools during the 2007-08 academic year, perhaps they should read a recent survey from the Chronicle of Higher Education. It found that the pay for public-university college presidents rose by an average 7.6% in 2007-08. Over the past five years, their salaries increased 36%, compared with just 19% at private institutions.

    Is there much to lament about the culture of college athletics? Certainly. But parents aren’t paying Nick Saban to lead Alabama in the SEC title game today against No. 2-ranked University of Florida. They are, however, paying both college presidents.

  • Tbone

    is that schools with football do better financially than schools without football.

    Further, football and other sports are great development tools for extracting donations from alumni. These donations most often are ones that affect the general student body, not just athletics.

    As a 10 year member of the Board of Regents for an NCAA Division 3 school (no athletic scholarships), our experience has been that over $30 million in giving in the last 10 years can be traced to the athletic programs at the school with football leading the way.

    A fair financial analysis of college sports would also have to include capital raised as a result of those sports.

    In addition, when reviewing admissions it is well accepted that having a solid sports program attracts non- organized sports participant students while providing intramural sports facilities for all students.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    …

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    lay out the facts justifying same at the time.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    in matters of this kind; hence my high standard to convict and punish outside of a courtroom on such matters.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    depth. Thx.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    http://www.thefreehreportonpsu.com/REPORT_FINAL_071212.pdf. The links above are what I referenced.

  • runner12

    The death penalty would punish the football players, alumini, and other coaches who had nothing to do with this. Punishing the innocent with the guilty is not justice.

    There are questions as to whether the NCAA has the authority to take action in this case or if that is more the State DOE’s role. That is why the NCAA is carefully reviewing what they can and cannot do. I would venture to say that some sanctions will be imposed, but short of the death penalty.

    I think those who are guilty should be punished to the full extent of the law. Their actions were criminal and they should be punished accordingly. I also think that the Paterno statue should be removed from the campus and his name removed from the buildings, etc.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Informed reply

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    1) – I agree with your assessment and disagree with the article I used

    2) – It’s mincing words – McQueary told prosecutors under oath – he reported skin slapping sex sounds, the position of Sandusky relative to the victim, and that Sandusky had the victim pinned to the shower wall. Saying that Spanier, Curley, Schultz, Paterno and McQuaery didn’t know what happened in that shower is false. They knew and cared more about public image than the victim. Four of those people had a least an inkling Sandusky had did it before

    3 & 4) – While Paterno had made the ultimatum and it was clear Sandusky would not be the next head coach at Penn State, it was also clear from Curley’s e-mail Paterno was more than willing to undo the ultimatum. In an e-mail from Curley on June 13, 1999, Curley states “Joe did give him the option to stay as coach as long as [Paterno] is coach”. Note this is my comment: At that point from Sandusky’s view, he’d rather quit and have more time with “his kids” since as you correctly say Paterno didn’t think he had the committment to be a Head Coach at Penn State. The 168,000 payment was considered way out of the pale in that it had never happened before for a retiring employee by an official in the controller’s office. Sandusky at the time of his retirement was an assistant football coach and assistant professor of physical education – neither were positions eligible for emiritus status. This whole sordid affair was a hush settlement at taxpayer expense. (again: my comment)

    5) You are correct, they told the Second Mile Charity and then sold them a parcel of university property at cost. (that was from the Freeh report)

    I am sorry I went to read the report – It just made me want to hurl. The number of people who protected and paid off a sexual predator of children to protect the reputations of a University and charity is mid boggling to me.

  • acat

    Contributions based on football go to a general fund *regardless* of the school, and are shared equally by all schools in the league.

    Mew

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    In this case, it’s pretty obvious that the “authorities” bowed to Penn State’s prominence in the community.

    I’ll note here that the “child molestation” charges, at least in Arizona, are ridiculous. In practice, the accused has to be able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they didn’t and couldn’t have done it. It’s an impossible burden for a defendant.

    This particular case is, like the priests, not at all the same thing, at least IMO.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    transfer to another school.

    There is no reason on earth that the Penn State football program should survive this.

    On the other hand, the program could continue by changing their name from “The Nitany Lions” to “Paterno’s Pennsylvania Pedophiles”.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The death penalty *always* punishes the players for what the coaches and administrators do.

    But let me lay this on you: the NCAA is a business. It’s not a charity.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    and so I hope to make time to read it and weigh in but what informs me the most and makes me hesitant is my experience with the nebulous nature of such rumours and the understandable reluctance of people to be the one that calls in the cops absent strong evidence and how easy it is to make false allegations.

  • runner12

    Which is why SMU has been the only school to receive such a punishment. One move that has been questioned since then.

    The NCAA is in unprecedented territory and I do not envy them one bit. The criminal actions of Penn State had nothing to do with the football program as far as how the game was played and the players, yet it had everything to do with the football program on an institutional level. The latter being even worse than the former.

    Most sports analysts are citing the “lack of institutional control” as the means in which the NCAA will cite their authority to act. Which is absolutely applicable in my mind. I think strong sanctions are warranted, but not the death penalty. I think that would actually be letting them off to easy. They would be able to bury the memory of their crimes with the program.

    I think they should have to go out there every Saturday as a reminder to all of their guilt. All of the revenue they generate can then subsequently be paid to the families to settle the multiple civil suits that will come up.

    Personally, I was disapointed that more of the board members did not get the boot. They may have not been criminally responsible according to the Freeh report, but they definitely neglected their duty.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    The dynamic on molestation or abuse that doesn’t produce visible physical injury is very different in kind form most other crimes.

  • Tbone

    amongst all schools in the conference represented as has TV money. In addition, all the big schools schedule 1-3 smaller schools each year who benefit financially from those games.

    What I was talking about were not revenues but donations.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    saying

  • Kyle-MI

    The profits from the big two sports, football and men’s basketball, pay for all the nonprofitable sports, including sports scholarships. A lot of those athletes have so delusions that they will be going pro. They use those scholarships wisely.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    Michael “Hockey Stick” Mann had much of his recent Global Warming “Research” funded via The Obama Stimulus Plan. One way or another, you WILL be paying Mikey’s salary. He’s a public servant, you see.

  • acat

    If someone donates to, say, University of Georgia (Dawgs!) and earmarks the donation for the football program … then it goes into the pool.

    If someone donates to Auburn to the library, then .. it had better not show up in the football budget, eh?

    Mew

  • westcoastpatriette

    that is adored by the community. Your wimpy answers are angering me gamecock. You have more sympathy for all the enablers and are using the same kinds of rationalizations that all of the staff used to ignore a pedophile rapist in their midst.

    Shame on you.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    We can even go to TN vs. SC overall if you’d like.

    Just sayin’. But yes, 2010 was a pretty good year for the Gamecocks.

  • naraht

    “no delusions”…

    I’d love to know what percentage of NCAA Division I scholarships are going to those in sports that have *any* professional league. Note, by this standard, I’m putting Men’s Lacrosse and Women’s Basketball with Men’s football.

  • ehosterman

    perjury pretrial hearing for Curley and Schultz as well as a Op-Ed article from a Tenessee attorney who has a different opinion on what the evidence shows.

    http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/other/Curley-Schultz-Hearing-Transcript.pdf

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/PSU-and-Paterno-Not-Guilty-by-Barry-Bozeman-120707-503.html

  • Viet71

    As far as I’m concerned, Big Ten Teams should refuse to play Penn State in any sport until the university demonstrates real remorse and suffers real punishment.

    To begin, the statue of Joe P. should be torn down.

    When it comes to pre-teen victims of a known monster, I agree with WCP that the balance is tipped heavily toward punishing the system that allowed the monster to flourish.

    No need, here, IMO, to play defense attorney, although I do welcome your professional insights.

  • jimmyg

    The report, as I read the article, is referring to “athletic departments” not individual sports teams. In college sports their are revenue sports, generally men,s football and basketball, Those sports are generally self supporting, or close to it. These sports have to support the non-revenue sports, such as wrestling, swimming, etc.. Keep in mind, since the advent of title 9, collegiate women’s sports teams, with few exception, Tenn, UConn, are non revenue sports. If it was not for football and basketball the whole model would fall apart.

    When it comes down to it, Title 9 screwed up collegiate sport budgets. It had the additional effect of forcing colleges to drop men’s sports so that colleges could add women’s sports. In other words compliance with title 9 does not happen in a vacuum..

  • avagreen

    welfare is more important than $$. Ever.

    Any rationalization otherwise is just a way to ignore the problem: pedophiles prey upon helpless victims under the guise of all kinds of excuses from people that would rather talk about the mechanics of the problem than the actual harm and cost to the actual victims(s) and the fallout and cost to THEM!

  • Viet71

    no text.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    it is not a reflection on the football programs but on the cost of the rest of the university.

    The reason I say that is because I know that as recently as 10 years ago Football was a big moneymaker. And revenues for Football have gone up, so what has changed?

    The skyrocketing cost of the rest of the boated university is what has changed.

  • westcoastpatriette

    of sexual abuse and gamecock is woefully ignorant of the psychological dynamics in play. His suggestion that it was the child’s fault for not reporting it really angered me. He must realize most of these victims (if not all) in the Sandusky case, were orphans or neglected and abandoned to begin with and had no one to speak for them. To think they would be able to come forward and report what was taking place is beyond naive on gamecock’s part.

    Usually, the victims are threatened if they dare speak out. In this case, there is no excuse for the staff covering up what they knew. It takes effort to stay in denial when the evidence is right in front of your face. And as I said upthread, for every victim who has come forward, there is probably ten that will never report it. The shame and fear that the victims feel is overwhelming and they should never be blamed for not reporting.

  • Viet71

    I’m a Big Ten graduate (Illinois). It sickens me that the conference, for monetary reasons, admitted Penn State as a member.

    I (pardon the focus on me) remember cool fall days at Memorial Stadium in the 1960s. It was great, for example, to see both the 1966 Notre Dame and the Michigan State team play in Champaign.

    It sickens me to think the Illini, however good or bad they are this fall, will play Penn State.

    The F-word is not permitted here. I aim it at Penn State — not the faculty, not the students, but at the the leadership who shall surely rot in hell.

  • Tbone

    There are two ways of accounting for donations, endowment and open and these are divided into restricted funds and unrestricted funds. Unrestricted donations go into the general operating fund. Restricted are designated for a specific thing, usually a building, improvement or a scholarship. Endowment donations can be restricted to a specific use such a scholarship or a faculty chair or open in which case they go into the general endowment of the university.

    Anytime the football team has a winning season, the money flows into all of them.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Go Cocks!

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    teeeeeeeee

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I am quite informed on all aspects of the issue of child abuse from all sides. I have defended people that were falsely accused, pled those that were guilty, and served as a guardian ad litem for children victims.

    Early in my third year out of law school I represented a high profile politician that had just won custody of his 7-yr old daughter. On the first weekend that the mother had visitation, she trumped up a bruise just above the vagina that the child sustained due to a collision with a desk in 2nd grade. The trial lasted a week and the jury came back in 25 minutes.

    When the child turned 18, she immediately came to her father and told him of being coached and threatened by the mother. This was corroborated by two step sons.

    In that case you had a “victim” that reported a “crime” and an injury. Yet, it was trumped up.

    Of course the law properly requires the reporting to the authorities of any incident that a person in authority sees, is told of or reasonably suspects.

    The problem cases in terms of prosecuting failure to report are, of course, the latter in which there is no victim making allegations, no eyewitness to an incident and no physical evidence.

    Add to that, the understandable reluctance of people to make false reports, and I conclude that the law should apply the beyond reasonable doubt standard before making these charges.

    In the late 80s and early 90s there was a rash of false child abuse allegations egged on my social workers that told us that kids don’t lie. it was a crock.

    We had a rash of false “date rape” cases as well, in which women were not physically harmed.

    These allegations are easily made and ruin peoples lives.

    I have also seen social workers and parents ruin real child victims lives by telling them how harmed they are and how difficult it is to get over “it”, thus compounding the mental injury.

    Hope that puts my earlier more cryptic comment in some perspective.

    God bless

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    He doesn’t report it; there is no eyewitness and there is no physical injury?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I am unaware if they have. more later

  • SoFiMil

    Yes, incoming Freshman suffer because of the sims of others. But it’s not the NCAA that should be blamed. Any penalty handed down in which the Freshman class must bear the burden is not the fault of the NCAA.. That blame rests with Paterno and others. The incoming Freshman who believe they’ve been wronged are likely correct. Compensation for their suffering should be directed at and come from Penn State and the Paterno Trust.

  • SoFiMil

    No one is out to “punish” those who had nothing to do with this. The penalty and consequence is what it is.

    In addition, a harsh consequence is more likely to prevent future attricities not just at Penn Syate, but elsewhere, than if there is no penalty to the football program.

  • SoFiMil

    Melting it down is the easy call. A shame there’s not consensus on that from Penn State administrators.

  • avagreen

    and is then ignored.

  • http://christopherrenner.blogspot.com Christopher Renner

    Tim Curley, former athletic director, and Gary Schultz, vice president for business and finance. Both charged with perjury and failing to report suspected child abuse.

  • runner12

    who were deemed culpable in the cover-up in the Freeh report will be hearing from the local prosecutor soon. Covering up for another person’s criminal behavior and not reporting is considered a crime in itself, is it not?

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Football only brings in $10 million profit for a few top schools? Chump change!

    The higher educational system is a $360 billion (with a B) affair. It educates 20 million people a year, if you include community college and other forms. It’s huge.

    Whether a football program makes sense for a given school is up to them, but it’s bizarre to have the world of a University revolve around football as if that is the purpose of the institution, rather than higher education.

  • runner12

    football program. Sanctions should occur, but not the death penalty. The death penalty to the program will not bring any justice to the families and victims who have suffered. The loss of jobs by the new coach, AD, and others who are innocent is hardly fair.

    Justice is punishing those who knew and covered up Sandusky’s crimes to the full extent of the law. Justice is removing the Paterno statue from Penn State and other monuments. Justice is having Penn State face up to their crimes and the shame they should feel everytime their name mentioned in a Saturday football game.

    I prefer public pennance and shame, rather than the more private that could occur if the football program is abolished. But I understand that others may feel differently and do not begrudge them their opinions.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    Let them sue Penn State.

    The football program needs to go. That program, and the administrators who shielded it forcing more kids in to a living hell they don’t deserve and won’t likely get out of, can all go to that same hell they let those children be led into.

    They acted willingly and put “the reputation” of Penn State and the football program ahead of those children. I would vote that they be turned over to the Cherokee women.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    You are genius and wants you to know, you have her unconditioned support….I did tell her not to start planning those fall photography sessions just yet.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    And, while I might be a genius, I have feet of clay. My wife of 31 exceptional years will attest to that. :-)

  • JSobieski

    it is a question of proof. The sufficiency of the evidence matters. Abuse cases are hard for a variety of reasons. Divorce lawyers seem to raise allegations/innuendo on almost nothing. If someone says that you or someonee you love abuses children, am I obligated to believe them? Am I obligated to report any such rumor to the police?

    I am not defending Penn State but am rather trying to address the general issue. There are false positives as well as missed negatives. Both are heart wrenching.

  • JSobieski

    Have extremely vulnerable populations. My ex-wife works at a school for emotionally impaired kids. Most of these kids come from broken homes and have all sorts of problems. No doubt would be molestors are drawn to such environments—because those kids have few advocates and will make bad witnesses. We have a great system generally, but that system has cracks. A poor person is essentially collection proof, and certain categories of people find it hard to advocate on their own behalf or to find advocates for them.

    If you walk through a mental ward and someone says that an orderly is abusing them, how much stock do you put in that statement?

  • aesthete

    between being charged with a crime, and acting unethically.

    It might be the case that under our legal system, there’s not enough to justify a “shadow of the doubt” verdict vis a vis the management in PA, and I understand that and respect and agree with that legal point of view. There’s enough there, however, that I wouldn’t spit on any of those gentlemen if they were on fire, that I wouldn’t be at all sorry if one of them were to be shot on a fine Sunday afternoon by one of the victims, and that none of these people at the top should be allowed to show their faces in polite or professional society ever again, in fear that they will be torn to bits. I’m not a violent person by nature, but violation of a child is one of the greatest desecrations that one human being can do to another.

    The people you are talking about were living gods at Penn State; faculty, students, administration, etc worshipped at Paterno’s feet. Paterno should have been as zealous as possible in finding the truth about the matter. Allowing for some excusable failure to evaluate the character of others, I would have accepted Paterno as a dumb dupe, had he zealously defended Sandusky’s honor as a friend. Being non-committal about such a horror is not a reaction that I can imagine myself or any one who has a scrap of concern for children making, especially if the only thing at stake were a frakking football team. No sports legacy is worth devastating the lives of hundreds of children, and as far as I can tell that’s the bargain that Paterno and co made. Perhaps this can’t be proven in a court, but I don’t need it to be: I can and have judged peoples’ actions without taking them to court, and I can tell you right now that four of the hottest seats in hell are being kept warm for these gentlemen.

  • aesthete

    GC is probably arguing the legal dynamics of child molestation cases in general — unfortunately, people are evil and it is a simple matter to coach, coax, or brainwash a child to say some pretty messed up things, provided that you are a soulless psychopath who has no problem ruining a person’s life to make yourself a prosecuting hotshot. Lots of innocent people went to jail in the 80s because of kids who were made to lie about molestation/rape by the prosecution, or who were swept along in the hysteria. It is a tragic, but true, fact that childrens’ testimonies on this matter are not terribly reliable when it comes to such matters.

    That said, the moral standard is different from the legal standard. These allegations were not investigated seriously, and in some cases were covered up. No amount of money or fame can make up for the ruined lives — and in this case, there’s no doubt that there were hundreds of lives that were destroyed. Whether in the courts or otherwise, Paterno deserves the wholesale destruction of his legacy, his personal demesne, and everything that he worked so hard to get at the expense of these kids’ innocence.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    But at least Knute was employed by a private university and wasn’t sucking the taxpayers dry.

  • aesthete

    to concentrating on sports — academics can be de-emphasized, as they are not money makers. To some extent one would find this phenomena in a free market of education (comparative advantage and all that), but probably not to a major extent, where every school has tons of money poured into sports.

    Additionally, due to Title X funding for a male football team must be matched by similar funding for womens’ sports — which besides softball for < 5 universities nationwide, is a guaranteed money loser. So that is a cost that must be factored in as well, albeit a cost artificially imposed by government.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    The problem with treating people as if they were gods is that they often begin to think of themselves as better than us mere mortals and not subject to the same standards.

    Apart from Sandusky, I honestly don’t know who among the others I have the most contempt for, but McCreary surely is at the top of the list. Had he an ounce of decency, he would have fought for the kid he saw, which probably would have exposed the entire thing and saved other boys. I can’t imagine anyone I know not rushing to the defense of a child in that situation or at least calling the police on the spot and waiting for them to arrive.

  • norskie

    I would like to suggest that the problem at many schools is not faculty salaries but the proliferation of meaningless administrative positions, expensive programs that exist solely for the purpose of entertaining the central administrators, and other money wasting projects. When I walk in to my class of sixty students, I know that three of the students pay enough tuition to cover my salary. The fourth one handles the fringe benefits (such as they are) with lots to spare. The other fifty-six students’ tuition goes somewhere else — as does the tuition for my students in other classes. Since no student is taking fifteen separate courses, the same scenario is playing out when my colleagues teach their classes. No doubt the tuition is unreasonably high, but the cause is not likely faculty salaries. Perhaps the entire administrative multicultural apparatus, whose raison d’etre seems to be creating jobs for minorities so the university can brag about having minorities, qualifies as an inappropriate use of student tuition. Perhaps the fact that we continue to build buildings that somehow provide no additional space for academic functions qualifies as a waste of tuition money. Proliferating levels of administration, programs, parties, and other baubles are more likely sources of the excess cost.

  • Dave_A

    And when an athletic department loses money, it’s usually due to Title 9 regulation….

  • APA Guy

    …and this is coming from a proud former NCAA college football player.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Thx for the comment

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    try

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    with the NCAA and college football in general – subject for another time – is that they absolutely exploit college football players in ways that should be criminal. ESPECIALLY for the good players.

    That’s why I’d like to see the NFL build a farm system. Let ‘em associate with colleges if they want to, but the players get paid by the NFL, they can work out a revenue sharing arrangement on shirts, etc, and the colleges can opt out of giving out degrees that are earned on the gridiron instead of the classroom.

    Of course, that would pretty much put the NCAA out of the football business, but oh well.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Given my voluminous regular legal work, it may be awhile before I read the 20+ page Freeh report and weigh in. But I will in a column on the issue generally and specifically as this is right up my legal alley.
    Thx again.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    standard when it comes to firings and sanctions. My only point is to emphasize the burden that is on co-workers to know what to do in cases like this in which the crimes leave no physical evidence and when there are no eye witnesses. It isn’t easy to call the police on a friend absent very strong evidence to do so.

    Non-physical evidence, no eye witness molestation and alleged date rape cases are fife for false allegations. I was in the middle of the craze as a defense atty in the 90s and have seen many false allegations go to trial.

    Plus, I will try and read the whole 250+ page Freeh report and weigh in with a column on the issue generally and specifically with respect the criminal matters and, as you say, the lesser standard re employment and sanctions.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    bless

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    sue! I can divide by 3 plus costs.

  • JSobieski

    Also agree that there appears to be sufficient evidence against Penn State and the key personnel in this case.

    I do however think that this entire incident is a good time to raise proactive questions about scenarios with less evidence.

    What does a mere passing along of an incident of abuse obligate us to do? If neighbor A tells you that he thinks neighbor B is abusing kids, what is the proper responsive conduct? Does the answer change if neighbor A tells you that person C said he saw something? Or what if neigbor A says that they personally saw something?

    Penn State appears to be a clear case because money changed hands, and career paths were seemingly altered. However, the question of group responsibility for the conduct of an evil individual remains. I ask this question primarily from a moral perspective, not a legal perspective.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    the penalties for same usually give the judge a wide range on sentencing because of the fear of false allegations with no physical injury sending innocents to prison for 20 yrs to life.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    1) As an institution of the Government isn’t Penn State protected against how much money they can be sued for through torts?

    2) If 1 is true doesn’t that pretty much means Paterno was the wealthiest guy around the mess – can the victims come after Paterno’s estate through torts?

    3) If they can come for Paterno’s estate would your advise be something like “discredit the Freeh report at all cost”?

    I am a database administrator/data analyst so I am just interested in your expertise as lawyers. I’ll understand completely if you choose not to answer for reasons of ethics or discomfort – I just ask for my own curiosity.

  • JSobieski

    While we can all agree that moral condemnation doesn’t require “beyond a reasonable doubt” it should require SOMETHING.

    The question I ask (and I have no answer for) is what is the “SOMETHING”?

    I think it is easy to pound Penn State and Paterno into the ground on this one because their own conduct suggests culpability after the fact, but I have to admit that it is a scary prospect to make gut wrenching decisons on so few facts.

    Seeing abuse happen is a clear case. The fact that Penn State was an organization with policies, hiearchies, etc. also makes the case easier than it otherwise would be.

    It is far easier to slam Penn State in retrospect that it would be to devise a bright line rule going forward to how one addresses rumors and third party reports.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    In 1998, Sandusky admits that he had showered with underaged children naked and hugged them in the shower. Maybe that isn’t enough evidence to say “jail him” but sure is enough not to give him 168,000 (I’ll point out this was from the taxpayers of Pennsylvania) in addition to his pension and emirtus status, he didn’t earn. Then in 2001, McQuaery tells you he saw Sandusky anally raping a 10 year old and the authorities aren’t even contacted?

  • JSobieski

    There is almost certainly a statute in Pennsylvania that subjects Penn State to civil liabilty in this context.

    (2) Paterno’s estate is going to be sued

    (3) I would focus on trying to cooperate with the university to shape settlements.

    I don’t work in this type of law, but there does not appear a need to discredit the entire report. The only facts Paterno needs to fight are those suggesting that he knew something.

    If Paterno was alive, he could probably win given the relatively skimpy evidence he can be definitively tied to. All the financial stuff could be characterized as essentially looking after a former employee who didn’t have what it takes to go to the next level. The corporate world is filled with golden parachutes—and college sports is no different. Paterno never personally saw anything, and Paterno had no duty of care after Sandusky left.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    I take the underlying is your saying don’t let it get in front of a jury….thank you very much.

  • JSobieski

    Sometimes these things come down to connecting the dots. Who did Sandusky make the statement to and when?

    The person who commits the abuse is clearly culpable on all fronts. It is pretty easy to grap an adult who direclty sees something.

    However, once you get into the world of person X said Y, it becomes a lot more questionable.

    By way of example:
    If I went up to you and said “I have heard that your father is abusing children” would you feel obligated to tell the police what you heard? Would you feel compelled to investigate?

    In that context, we would both agree that there has to be something more than just raw third party statements.

    If mere innuendo is enough to trigger reporting and investigation, we are arming bad actors to manipulate the system is very obvious ways. If someone thinks they are about to be fired, make an allegation of child abuse. If someone doesn’t get a raise, make an allegation fo child abuse. If someone doesn’t another employee, make an allegation of child abuse.

    False positives have to be a consideration on this issue. Protecting children is paramount, but prohibiting the conviction of innocent people is also important. That is why the natural equilibrium of these disputes is so unsatisfying.

  • ehosterman

    is that people should be a little more careful in reading the evidence. The presentation of he Freeh report vs. the actual conclusions of report vs. the hard evidence has more than a little resemblance to the Atlanta Olympics bombing and the prosecution of Richard Jewell (when Freeh was head of the FBI). He has drawn some pretty sweeping conclusions from rather thin evidence, some of which has apparently been contradicted by actual court temtimony. Also he failed to interview most of the key witnesses. The report presentation seemed rushed, given that the perjury trials of Curley and Schultz have yet to occur. Also his main conclusion that a coverup occurred is based on believing that McQuery gave Paterno, Curley and Schultz graphic detail on what he witnessed and that his testimony was fact.
    .
    McQuery’s own testimony regarding his conversations with Paterno, Curley and Schultz (versus his court testimony regarding what he saw) states that he did not go into graphic detail and in fact the charge of rape from 2001 was one of the charges where Sandusky was found not guilty indicating that the jury had problems with McQuery’s testimony.
    .
    We’ve been down this raod before where the prosecution causes a media firestorm which is not supported by the facts (i.e. Richard Jewell, Duke Lacrosse). Where does this go if Schultz and Curley are found not guilty of perjury? It’s one thing for the Penn State board of trustees to terminate employment for all involved. An employer has the right to terminate you for bad judgement. It’s another to call for the wholesale destruction of a school that educates tens of thousands and provides employment for thousands directly and tens of thousands indirectly. You’d think we’d want to proceed deliberately and have all of the evidence before taking drastic action, but obviously that’s not the case.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    more later
    ntease

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    I understand your concern, I really do.

    The problem is it just isn’t applicable to this case. In 1998, in their e-mails to each other, Spanier, Schultz and Curley know the details of what Sandusky was accused of and what he admitted to (basically what he was accused of with the kicker that it wasn’t his first rodeo so to speak). Maybe you can be generous and say no proof of a crime, proper authorities investigated, etc. However, you get an adult witness with no ax to grind w/Sandusky saying he say Sandusky anally raping an underage boy in the shower and that it is ok not to call the cops at that point especially given the knowledge of what went on in 1998? Now to be as generous as I can be: McQueary testified to having heard skin slapping sex sounds, Sandusky thrusting against an underage victim pinned to the wall in the shower. Given this and what they know happened in 1998, when McQuaery told Paterno – he didn’t say “call the police”, when Curley, Spanier and Schultz didn’t say “call the police and have McQuaery give them a statement”? If you are looking to plant your flag that in 2001, given what McQuaery told them; what they knew Sandusky admitted to, the proper action wasn’t call the cops then you might as well stop because you’ll never convince me.

    I understand we need protections in place for false positives – the only thing I can imagine worse than being accused of child abuse while innocent is letting a sexual predator go to continue praying on children. I really do understand it’s a hard catch 22. I just don’t know that Spanier, Schultz, Curley, and Paterno are the faces for the cause is my point.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    no text…

  • Viet71

    Short version: Penn State’s going down big time.

    Agree the NCAA is a business.

    This guy made clear the country loathes Penn State for its football program. No doubt.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    this did not occur until 1998 and that the reporting of same was by the book by Paterno but that the eyewitness was not a strong testimony.

  • norskie

    You are correct that the problem of superfluous administrators is awful in secondary schools. Nonetheless, I am not sure it is worse, When I started teaching, we had a dean and an associate dean; and that school was one of the most effectively run schools at which I have taught. My current school has a dean, two associate deans, five assistant deans, and eight directors; and the school is dysfunctional.

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