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What happens if the Saudi regime collapses?

Watching the news reports this morning about the Yemeni president fleeing the country, as well as the escalating border violence in Israel, I suddenly realized that no one has been talking about largest of all unforseen possibilities: that the Saudi regime falls?  Could it happend, what would be the effects, and what would the US do, if anything?

The “Arab spring” has dominated the news for months. First Tunisia, then Egypt, LIbya, Yemen, and even Syria. My intent here is not to rehash the details of what has transpired in each country, nor to predict what the outcomes might be. But to be honest, virtually no one saw the Egyptian uprising coming. We all assumed that Mubarek had the country, via the military, firmly in control. Indeed, it made sense for the Egyptian military to support the regime, for they had enjoyed a very comfortable life style over the last 40 years. So, why rock the boat? Yet, inside of a week, the Egyptian military folded, and now they will probably have to face the prospect of dealing with a government dominated by the Egyptian brotherhood. One suspects that the military in the land of the Pharoahs will soon resemble that in Iran.

And now we have Syria. The Assads have dominated the country for decades, ruthlessly exterminating any opposition to their despotic regime. And I, like most, thought that they’d be easily able to stamp out the first attempts at dissent.  But no. More than 1000 lives later, the opposition seems stronger, more determinded than ever. Right now, it’s not considered lunacy to imagine a scenario where the Syrian regime falls. Unlike Egypt, it will most likely be bloody.

But absolutely nobody’s talking about Saudi Arabia. Though not a “closed” nation, it is very insular. Several thousand members of the Royal family control everything. It is an absolute monarchy. There are no rights, freedoms, political parties, unions..nothing, nada, zip, zilch.

But Saudi Arabia is completely different from all the other Middle Eastern states in one key respect. It is the  heart of the Islamic faith.  The ruling dynasty has to date successfully used that to keep themselves in power. They embrace Wahabiism, secretly fund terrorists, play all sides against each other.

If the Middle East were a game of chess, one could say that many of the pieces have already come off the board, or are threatened. Including the King himself, the head of the Saudi dynasty. The leadership ( the senior princes)  is old, likely tired, and the next generations seem more interested in dissipating their vast wealth.

I am no expert, no Arabist, other than what I read, but I am starting to sense that Saudi Arabia could crack wide open, and rather easily. We really have no idea of the loyalty of the armed forces to the House of Saud. We all know that radical Islamists have infiltrated the Pakistani military. Why should we assume that anything different is occuring in Saudi Arabia?

And if it does, then what happens? The battle, on the face, will be about control of the Muslim holy sites. Would there be a protracted civil war, like we are seeing  today in Libya? Would the regime fall quickly, and the military move to protect the religious sites and institutions?  Would Iran move to fill the vacuum, if “invited” to do so by a faction, under the guise of protecting Mecca?

And of course, what about the oil?  Chaos in Saudi Arabia would wreck the world economy in a matter of weeks, as oil prices would spiral upwards. And who would protect the oilfields and the pipelines, the key oil ports? Would the US intervene? Would Hama and Hezbollah use this “diversion” to open hostilities on Israel?

I have no idea. In looking at the Middle East to date, I am only certain that the situation in Egypt will soon deteriorate. The Muslim brotherhood will have power, and we will start to see massive religious strife between the Muslims and the Copts. Tourism will collapse, and the Egyptian economy will tank.

Yet no one is even looking ahead to  what is a fairly predictible scenario, other than mouth incessant platitudes about the “Arab spring.”

Saudi Arabia is the biggest piece of the puzzle, and everyone is buying their heads in the sand, and just assuming that Riyahd will go on as it has been.

That’s not going to happen.

COMMENTS

  • izoneguy

    This could well be part of Obama’s strategy.

    Without Saudi Oil the US will grind to an almost halt.

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    Saudi Arabia does have some vulnerability due to economic/political/theological regional pressure.

    However, well over 75% of the population of Saudi Arabia is Sunni and most are ardent Wahhabi based worshipers.

    There is a problem with unemployment among 21-30 Saudi males, but much of that issue is cultural.

    Saudi Arabia is not likely to fall, in fact its unlikely that the protests will get much attention in a state controlled media. Neither do they dare lift a finger against their King and Kingdom.

    The main opposition to Iranian influence and power in the Middle East region that for so long has maintained the relative stability stems from the economic prowess and stability of Arab-states that form the Arab league. Ironically they formed the league to fight against Israel, and recapture land lost. In their unsuccessful attempts, they ended up endorsing treaties that many Shi’ite believers deem to be unholy treaties made with infidels that they should not honor.

    You must look at the common thread here. The Arab Spring uprising has been in countries where there is a significantly larger Shi’a population than Sunni population. In each situation every regime that has been challenged has been in Economic straits, a fact exploited by those who are planning revolts not protests… There is a plan to overthrow the regimes, and our lovely MSM is only too stupid to go along with this.

    Of the states that have had revolutions, protests, and attacks on regimes in power… every one of the regimes were part of the Arab League. Mark my words, the Arab Spring is more about Iranian influence in the region by purchasing the loyalty of angry Shi’ite muslims hoping to gain better representation in their local economies and policies that fit their theological beliefs. However, overturning Saudi Arabia will not be an easy task for them, it would be the epitome of Shi’ite Muslims declaring religious war on Sunnis. Its not beyond possibility, but its certainly not a likely.

    • YnotNOW

      They do not have as much influence as you imply above. Certainly they exploit the schism between Sunni and Shi’ite, but they are not the only ones, and there is plenty of native resentment among Shia based upon their treatment and rule by Sunni.

      I do agree that Saudi Arabia is likely to remain stable, though they have made a deal with the devil in their promotion of Wahhabi extremists, in the hopes they would divert the anger at other countries. Conservative mosques may yet become tired of the anti-Muslim lifestyles of the royal family, and challenge the existing order.

      • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

        Iranian shia extremists view the Great Satan (U.S.) as a manipulator of foreign nations… they don’t take issue with the means of manipulation, just with the end goals… consequently they’ve been investing HEAVILY in terrorist organizations, and doing plenty of their own manipulation.

        I suspect they’re more involved with the Arab Spring than our intelligence community is willing to admit, and bring to the table before the world at the current time… last time they pulled that trigger, we were searching for WMD’s…

        • YnotNOW

          The Arab dictators try to push off all their problems by blaming them on some outside boogeyman, like “the great satan.” When most of the time, we may support the goals of the reformers or rebels or whatever, but have very little influence on their activities. The same with the Shia rebelling in Sunni lands. The Iranians may want Shia uprisings to bring these countries closer to their sphere of infuence, but the actual influence to make that happen is relatively light (in most countries). The Shia (and other rebellious factions) have plenty of local issues with the repressive regiemes that motivate them much more than some distant cheerleader.

          • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

            I don’t think what I said quite fits “boogeyman”… the point I’m making is that shi’ite muslims do in fact have issues with local oppressive governments… but the “Arab spring” uprisings are not local shi’ite muslims raging against the machine of local oppressors… they’re organized efforts funded by outside influences, and even some internal… uprisings and revolts always need to be funded, they don’t just show up throw rocks, then have a rebel army with weapons and training ready to go up against the Loyalist Libyan army within a 48 hour news cycle as the MSM would like us to believe what happened in Libya… the same goes for each of these nations… there are powerful forces in the region investing money into these rebellious organizations… its nothing new, but it is concerning when you view it in the light that each nation where there has been a rebellion, its been a nation that belongs to the Arab League… the muslim brotherhood is an organization… not some organic grassroots thing… in my view the muslim brotherhood is nothing more than the equivalent to OFA or ACORN.

            This Diary is more about the ‘what if’ of Saudi Arabia… I can tell you that given what we know about how these things come about… Saudi Arabia will not be having an internal uprising… it would require an act of war from several other nations before the Royal Family loses the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

            (the link I provided above… is the Saudi response. I called my mom-in-law and dad-in-law as they’re there as ex-pats… they told me the day of rage protest wasn’t televised, and they said the streets were locked down and nobody was allowed into the central city squares… it was later reported no more than 100 people dared to show up, and they were removed peacefully.)

          • YnotNOW

            In spite of Iran’s evil nature and bad intentions, I still think they have very little influence on these rebellions. Of course you are right that they are salivating at the prospect of these movements falling into their lap to broaden their malicious influence in the region. That is why we also need to be engaged with these rebel leaders (even though some are not too attractive partners) so that we can use what little influence we have to encourage them toward liberal democratic ideals.

          • YnotNOW

            We should not fall into either misconception. Do not give up in dispair thinking Iran has the influence wrapped up. Nor should we be overconfident that we have decisive influence either. The forces of liberty and the forces of tyrany are balanced and the outcome is by no maens certain.

  • wennejunk

    I’m also no expert, but I’m sure the folks at STRATFOR are looking at this, as are our own internal experts – regardless of whether the administration is paying attention.

    My thoughts:

    1. I agree things could crack open quite suddenly. I remember Romania and the Ceausescus going from ‘IN command’ to being shot in just 9 days: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Revolution_of_1989). What we see from outside (like the ‘family down the street’) is seldom accurate as to what is really going on.

    2. I doubt you would see Iran playing any major role. Yes perhaps behind the scenes, but two major differences exist that make this more likely to backfire were Iran to get involved:

    - Iran is a Persian nation vs. Saudi being an Arab nation. Yes it makes a difference to the nationalist streak in the Saudi heart.
    - Iran is a Shia population vs. Saudi being Sunni. Again, it makes a difference

    Additionally, Saudi has a decent modern military. Any overt action on the part of Iran would more likely lead to real war vs. internal civil war and I would expect the US to assist/intervene between them as an ally of S.A.

    I’m not an Arab so I cannot ‘think’ in their mindset, but I think any internal Saudi strife would get set aside while Iran was dealt with. The Sunni population is not going to let the Shia come in and ‘protect’ the holy of holies.

    I agree that Saudi could quickly enter into a religious civil war between the Monarchy and religious leaders and result in enormous Global upheaval in the way you suggest, but the monarchy would have to lose legitimacy first. For now they can buy (literally) themselves time with the payouts to the population.

    Good article.

  • YnotNOW

    The number of terrorists that would flood into Saudi Arabia with the hopes of controlling the holy sites would make Afghanistan look like child’s play. If they can get a foot in the door, and the perception was that the Saudi monarchy was collapsing.

    I don’t think it will happen, but you are right that if cracks appear it will happen very very quickly.

  • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

    …Sunnis and Shiites staying at each other’s throats. They’ve shown many times that they are willing to put their own divisions aside in order to unite against the Great Satan and the Little Satan.