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Sarah Palin and the Car

By: gekster (Diary)  |  January 17th, 2011 at 10:31 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

 Inspired by Scope. Thanks

Three different people go to the same dealership on the same day and all three buy identical cars.

 

After one thousand miles, they all come in for a checkup, all on the same day, 

to have the dealer look at it for any potential problems, and give an evaluation for the dealer.

 

The dealer asks the first one how he likes the car.

The owner states that the car runs fine. He sees no problem with it.

It’s not the best he has had, but is it more than acceptable to him.

No problems.

 

The dealer asks the second buyer how he likes his car.

The owner says that its the best he has ever driven.

He has not had a car so great. he wants to buy another one just like it when this one wears out.

He would recommend this car to all of his friends.

It’s just great.

 

The dealer asks the third buyer about his car.

The guy tells him it’s a piece of crap.

He tells him he can’t understand why he is selling cars that he thinks are worthless.

He wants his money back, but can’t get it.

He has bought the car.

 

While waiting in the dealers lounge to get their cars checked,

the three buyers start to talk to each other over coffee about their cars.

 

The buyer who thinks that his car is ok, can’t understand why

the other two don’t see what he sees.

He can’t see why the one thinks it’s great, and why the other thinks it’s crap.

The car is just fine.

 

The buyer that thinks his car is great thinks the other two are missing something he sees,

and just think the other two are to stupid or uninformed.

How can they not see how great this car is.

There must be something wrong with them, as they can’t see the obvious.

 

The buyer who thinks the car is crap knows for sure that the others have a screw loose.

And no matter how long and loud he tells the other two about what he sees wrong with the car,

he just can’t convince them, and starts to yell louder.

These other two are just ignoring the facts about this car.

The buyer that thinks his car is terrible can’t understand why

the other two can’t see that the car is crap.

 

Three different buyers, and all have exactly the same car,

driven the same amount of miles.

Three very different opinions of buyers with the exact same car from the same dealer.

No one of them can change the mind of the other two.

It just seems hopeless to even try.

 

 

 

Now just put Sarah Palin in place of the car,

and you can see where we are at with her.

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  • Finrod

    Put me between buyer 1 and buyer 2.

    It seems like most of the discussion regarding Sarah Palin here has been between buyer 2s and buyer 3s. Not as many buyer 1s to provide balance.

    • gekster

      I’d say I’m a 1.
      Some times a person has to seperate themselves to understand what they are doing.
      Thats what I’m trying to do here.

      • swami7774

        …the conservative cause, she can raise a lot of money and she drives the Left batty. Beyond that, though, as far as elective politics goes, she’s radioactive.

        • gekster

          To others she is the best model in the showroom.

    • itrytobenice

      I’m a solid 1.5 and studiously avoiding all threads that exceed 100 posts, because you can bet the number 3s and number 2s are duking it out and I don’t want to waste any more of my time on reading them.

  • JadedByPolitics

    with their purchase they will BERATE and DISMISS the other buyers while trying to tell you why they are right. NEVER talk to the dis-satisfied buyer they are too angry to make much sense.

    • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

      The dissatisfied buyer is analogous to the Palin worshipers. After all, for some people there is no issue that Palin hasn’t either addressed appropriately or that isn’t just manufactured by the leftist media.

      Of course those same folks can’t explain why, while her numbers are OK with Republicans, they are disastrous with independents.

      • itrytobenice

        First, let me say that I love Sarah’s speeches. She certainly seems to understand the freedom narrative; however, I do wish I had been able to see proven governance in a state that didn’t have it’s major resource owned by the state and in a state that wasn’t so heavily under the green thumb of Uncle Sugar. I’d have a better feel for her depth in that case I think.

        OTOH, I can’t accept polls of independents as anything other than headline polls. For the most part, people who identify as ‘independent’ are people who don’t really get involved in politics, and they don’t want anyone making any waves. Comity and working together are the themes that win independent love.

        Sarah obviously makes waves, tsunamis actually, so they automatically reject her as ‘too much’ of something that they are unwilling or unable to identify. They don’t have a specific aspect of her personality or her governance they to object to, so they resort to something like her voice, or her polarization of politics.

        The media influences those people far too much for me to consider their opinions in any way, shape, or form including whether or not someone is electable. Because we all know that John McCain was electable because independents loved him. Until the media told them to love BO, then they loved him more.

        • edintexas

          I asked a woman who declared she was voting for Obama why she was voting for Obama when she claimed to be a Republican. She responded Palin was the reason. When I asked what about Palin caused her to take this view, she replied that she was just “too”. So I asked “Too what?”. She had difficulty with that one, but eventually decided that Palin’s stance on abortion was “too”. “Too What?”

          I finally asked “It is because she is a Conservative?”. And she said “Yes.” This woman thought DeDe Scozzafava was a great Republican, so we know where her political heart was.

  • azaeroprof

    I heard a few years ago. May have even been at RS, I don’t recall.

    *************************
    A young corporal in the Army has the job of welcoming folks who have been transferred to his base. One afternoon, a lieutenant shows up at his desk. The lieutenant asks what the base is like. The corporal asks what the lieutenant’s last station was like. The lieutenant says it was the greatest place he’d ever been stationed. The people were nice, the job was enjoyable, there was lots to do during free time, and the scenery was beautiful. The young corporal tells the officer that he should find this base exactly like his last one. The lieutenant heads to his new quarters with a smile and a bounce in his step.

    About 20 minutes later, a new captain shows up at his desk and asks the same question. The corporal repeats his query to the captain regarding his last post. The captain tells him that his last base was a disaster. He was surrounded by idiots, he had the most boring duty, there was absolutely nothing to do at the base after hours, and it was in the most godforsaken location on the planet. The young corporal then proceeds to tell the captain that, alas, he will find this base much the same.

    **************************

    We all tend to see things through the lens we choose to put in front of our eyes.

    Even your categories 2 & 3 have subcategories. There are a few in category 2 who think their car is the greatest car ever made. But most in that category acknowledge that they’d rather have a Mercedes if they could afford it, but they love their car anyway. There are also a few in category 3 who think their car is the worst car ever made. But most in that category are happy it runs, they just hate it anyway.

    Here at RedState, we have high expectations regarding folks’ ability to rationally argue their case for a particular candidate. Supporters who show up here who appear “sycophantic” to those not already in that candidates’ camp are put down and shoo’d away (or at least attempted to shoo away). I’ve seen the argument that these Palin supporters are turning off others who are neutral towards her. This may be true here at RS, but this is not so true among the general public. Virtually every successful campaign at every level has relied on the “bandwagon effect” to persuade voters. It is NOT a bad thing for a candidate to have a devoted following. It is a requirement. Palin may not have what it takes to win the nomination or the general election, but we will only know the answer to that if and when she runs. As I’ve stated before, anyone who says with any certainty one way or the other at this point is simply laying their bias out for all to see.

    • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

      …I have misgivings about being a salesman for this particular model, knowing how loud a lot of the category three people are and how grating some of the commercials have been so far.

      • gekster

        Just as many buyers are scared away by the for buyers as by the against buyers.

        even though they are looking at the same thing.

    • Locked and Loaded

      It is also true that the new, breakthrough model always has a few things that need tweaking, a few bugs to be worked out in successive years’ production. Hasn’t the Palin model had a few of these bugs worked out already?

      One more thing, Palin is but one model on the lot. Each and every model will have the same groups in their love/hate relationships – or maybe not – maybe they will be thinking about buying an El McCaino.

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        Those of us that are waiting to see which models will actually be available before we rush out to buy one.

  • williamjameson

    Palin is like a car that hasn’t been painted nor the seats bolted down. Its a rocky ride that isn’t safe for 2012. After more education and fine tuning she could run like a Cadillac in decade or so. I put her above RomneyCare regardless because he’s a big taxing, rights taking Rino. Palin’s record in office is better than his.

    • gekster

      ntntntntnt

  • http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

    Obviously some people like her, some people ha *ahem* dislike her strongly, and others are neutral. What’s the point?

  • gekster

    Just trying to give an example of what the posters on another thread are doing.
    Can you see your as one one of the buyers.
    Can you also see the others your were posting with.
    I guess the point is that you all are looking at the same thing and seeing things different about her.
    Maybe some understanding between friends.
    I hope ;)

  • http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

    I can certainly understand that people disagree about Palin. I guess what set the whole thing off was that I was personally attacked the moment I posted my comment.

  • acat

    I think it’s comparable to a number of the other models currently on the market, and I like it much better than the older models that other dealer is pushing, but I’m never setting foot in that dealership service center again. Some of those other customers are just a little too emotional about their cars….

    Mew

  • gekster

    And some of the dealers try to get you to buy one that takes ethanal.

  • David123

    Driver number 3 might have had a Mercedes before – no wonder Sarah doesn’t measure up, for him.

    Driver number one is probably comparing her to a Ford – no wonder he is just satisfied, but not ecstatic about her.

    And driver number two is comparing her to a Schwinn – that would be Obama the Schwinn. No wonder driver number two is ecstatic about her.

    My apologies to Schwinn, and bicycle riders everywhere, for comparing Obama to a Schwinn.

  • gekster
  • Deskpilot

    look at problems.
    Some people look at a problem that involves them and then their thinking inside the box restricts their ability to see solutions, because they can only see six sides from the inside, and have no clue about what’s outside.
    As for me, I like to look at a problem from an OUTSIDE the box mentality: Thus, I know that there are six faces on the outside, side on the inside, and a finite volume of problem contained therein. I can zoom in to see the detail on any one side, or zoom out to look at the whole problem from many angles, and chose the best path to open the box, while looking for any boobytraps.
    In Sarah Palin and car analogy, I bought Sarah Palin. I am quite comfortable with her, Theere aren’t a lot of things I would change with her. She meets my needs and expectations of a Conservative, She has the executive decision making capability, and performance record I expect form an elected official. While there are a few things I would change about her to really tweek me up, i am quite satisfied with my purchase.
    The nosie that I hear in the dealership is from the salesmen (LSM), who want to sell me on this upgrade, this accessory, that warranty package. All done in THEIR best interest($), not mine. I don’t need the turbo upgrade package, I don’t need high grip, low profile tires on chrome rims that are going to be absolutoly useless when the weather get bad and more than a dust up of snow hists the streets. My car would then have to cower in the garage, and I’d have to rely on gov’t transportation. That’s not what I bought a car for. I invested in this car to be ready, reliable, and service my transportation needs at a moments notice, without me having to worry about the defensive capabilities of the sheet metal, the clarity brought by good wipers to clear the crud that might obscure my vision, the traction of good tires in any condition, the power of the engine to take me wherever I need to go.

  • StandardCandle

    When you’re trying to influence minds and make a sales pitch… you should ensure that there aren’t logical fallacies in the narrative even if its meant to be anecdotal.

    1. Verbal fallacy of composition
    1a. Cars are inanimate objects without personalities, you’re equivocating that mechanically functional parts represent components of a Palin candidacy, since all candidacies do not all have the same mechanical functioning components, e.g. a car vs. a motorcycle, you typographical framing doesn’t apply.
    1.a.a. Additionally your premise is that we the “test drivers” are in control of said “vehicle” (the candidacy/campaign). In fact we are not, and even if you like where the vehicle is going and how it gets to your destination, at best all of us are the passanger.

    2. Your narrative draws an irrelevant conclusion
    2. a. We are not all looking at the same object, with different eyes while some are holding back, others onboard, and yet others that will never come around…You’re specifically framing and categorizing people’s likes/disklikes for Palin… BAD IDEA. The last thing you want is people undecided on Palin thinking that there’s an all or nothing end result… Palin isn’t Jesus, and there’s no special hell for GOPers that don’t/won’t back Palin… which means people undecided/anti-Palin will lack enthusiasm for Palin should she win the nomination…really really BAD IDEA.

    There are many more examples I could give… I won’t.

    And if you wanted to force me into your narrative you’d have to add the paragraph about the guy in the lobby saying… “So what’s the mean time to engine failure and corrosion with this model over the other 25 models to choose from based on your maintenance records? And do all your models come with a 4 Year Warranty with a Dealer Buy Back clause?”

    There’s a better way, bottom line… If you consider yourself a Palin fan… then advocate for her… prove to me why she deserves my attention… and don’t be angry, or disappointed if I don’t get as enthusiastic with your worldview…

    You never know, you may actually persuade me to back Palin more… if you actually showed me some concrete reasoning for me to support her, based on you know… actual Campaign platform, history of the candidate, the candidates positions and articulation of issues…

    One final thing to consider… If Palin decides not to run, are you prepared to support someone else? Also, if you can see that Palin isn’t getting enough traction in early primaries, are you prepared to support multiple candidates in order to avoid the person you dislike the most? Should Palin run and not win the nomination, are you going to support the nominee? One would hope that you won’t ask me to do anything that you wouldn’t do yourself.

    Just sayin.

  • gekster

    Three or four people were having a BIG debate on Mrs. Palin on a Mike Pence diary.
    I just tried to show them something and give them a place to argue other than that Mike Pence diary, as it turned into a slow threadjack.
    Reread the diary and the comments.
    And at no time did I infer that I supported Sarah Palin.
    Reading comprehension is your friend.

  • speciallist

    you hit a key point..

    One would hope that you won?t ask me to do anything that you wouldn?t do yourself.

    this goes BOTH ways

    both sides of the ‘Palin dilemma’ need to work together and promise that Whoever wins the repub nomination, we all vote Together…Nobody stays at home

    the main focus should be on getting Obama OUT

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    But you don’t, and
    1. you come across as
    1.a. extremely arrogant and
    1.a.a. condescending.

    2. This is not a Palin
    2.a. advocacy piece. It
    2.a.a. is, as far as I can tell, a
    2.a.a.1.b. descriptive, neutral conversation
    2.b. starter.

    Reading comprehension is, as mentioned, your friend. So is humility.

  • edwyrd

    the tea party by proxy. her successful support of TP candidates put a bullseye on her rearend and she seems to have forgotten this. she gave the left a black eye, a bloody lip, and a deranged nose. she needs to be more “presidential”, as dick morris proposes. AND she has brought change that has benefited the conservatve cause. but maybe the old war horse ain’t good for the plow?

  • JSobieski

    The comments regarding Palin, both Pro and Con are remarkably free of any substance whatsoever. Just one boiling bot of emotion.

  • gekster

    And has allready show she could pull more than one plow.
    Some people just think she shouldn’t own the farm.

    disclaimer: I am not advocating war in any way with this comment.

  • edwyrd

    an attack. its part of a debate, maybe criticism. an attack is accusing her of complicity to murder. insulting her family. complaining about her enormously whiney voice.

  • StandardCandle

    My analysis of your diary was specific to your diary.

    Your analysis of my comments inspired straw man argumentation, equivocation, and ad hominem defensiveness.

    So just to summarize…

    You wrote a diary about Sarah Palin, and the way people see her, you poorly represent the feeling in the room of conservatives, you get called out on it, and then you back off your tentative support for Palin all because your altruistic heart was trying to prevent thread jacking?

    Not that I really want to get into your head and understand your motives… like I said before… I’m ‘Just sayin’.

    The really odd thing here is I agree with you, reading comprehension is my friend… been with reading comprehension for years.

    =>

  • StandardCandle

    ATTACKING THE TEA PARTY BY PROXY IS LIKE ATTACKING THE FOLLOWING:

    The constitution, libertarians and conservatives alike, Luke, Han, and Leia and the rest of the rebellion, babies that have cute smiles, sunny days, southern barbecue (both tomato based and vinegar based), small businesses in America, that weird dude at work that always uses the word ‘actually’ as a intransitive verb in over 50% of his sentences, a person’s right to dress up in bright orange and/or camo and walkabout with a weapon, the mixture of flamin’ hot cheetos; mtn dew; and a violent war movies, the right to complain about large government, and Jesus.

    :) I know I know… I shouldn’t… but sometimes… you just can’t help it.

  • speciallist

    You are a JERK

    just sayin

  • gekster

    in so many words, the words to the effect, that I said I supported Sarah Palin or I didn’t support her.
    Exactly which line did I use to show my support.
    If you’ve seen it, show it to me, and I can then respond.
    I take it you are buyer #3.

  • Scope

    My take on geksters diary is that he is just trying to say stop with the heated rhetoric on all sides. Let’s back up, and, understand that everyone has their own opinions, and that the flames are not necessary. I know that gekster is not a Palinista, nor is he a Palin hater. To assume otherwise is to misread what he is saying. Your critique of his diary is a little harsh, and, not necessary. It only exacerbates the problem.

  • speciallist

    but realize, it’s NOT helping

  • edwyrd

    won’t survive. bu,t to date the t party has been headless, and the obbsession with sarah can be viewed as an attempt to give the t party a head and then promptly chop it off. however, that wierd dude at your work using the thiggy-ma-giggy kinda verbs, he is in grave danger given your propensity to emotional outbursts.

    i think i’ve stumbled across a herd of english teachers with a constitutional obbsession.

  • StandardCandle
  • StandardCandle

    I am the weird dude at work. :)

    I’m just tired of people trying to co-opt the tea-party by rockstar affiliation…

    Sarah Palin does not represent the Tea Party.

    Hence the over-the-top rhetoric… ahhh forget it….

    If you have to explain it its not funny. :)

  • renny

    Her “you bet’cha”and “hopey changey” and “f’r ya” and “don’cha” is the voice of W. of the Delaware River and East of E.. LA, Hers is not a professional voice, a news broadcast voice, nor a DC voice or upper Westside NYC voice. And RS or the above poster may not like that slightly nasal “downhome” intonation but that’s partly class differences, and yet her voice is what makes people attend her rallies and speeches, watch her shows, and see in her public persona a reflection of themselves.

  • edwyrd

    with the likes of your intellect, so i will settle for as much parody as you will provide.

  • edwyrd

    ain’t it?

  • StandardCandle

    clearly you didn’t read the full content of my original comment. Neither did you understand the context.

    To answer your inquiry…

    I think you should just not respond…

    I didn’t imply you “supported” or “did not support” Palin. I used the adverb ‘tentative’ to describe your uncertain or undecided support… as you yourself in comments above stated clearly:

    I?d say I?m a 1.
    Some times a person has to seperate(sic) themselves to understand what they are doing.
    Thats what I?m trying to do here.

    I won’t walk back my original comments or analysis… there’s nothing in that comment that doesn’t have complete relevance to anyone that has a horse in the Palin race. Call me a jerk, imply that I have a reading comprehension problem… no skin off my nose… I’ve learned that you can’t govern nor label people’s perceptions, whether they’re true or false, accurate or inaccurate… and that’s particularly the core of what’s wrong with the diary in the first place… one would hope that RedState readers are smarter than your run of the mill, labeling, categorizing, victimizing leftists…

    So my friend… separate away… and continue to fight the good fight… but don’t pick bones over my comments… its just not worth your emotional clairvoyance becoming distraught.

  • gekster

    with a bunch of collage edumakative words,
    but somehow I feel it’s just not worth it.

  • StandardCandle

    Clearly my comments elicited emotional response signifying a degree of nerve touching.

    However, I respectfully disagree, and I’m not just trying to be disagreeable…

    Historically RedState becomes an oven during Presidential Primary season, and in general the people govern one another as they always do… but there’s a heck of a lot of banning during that time frame. My comments even if considered harsh, were at the same time free of vituperation and pettiness.

    I was not ‘attacking’ gekster’s character, neither did I impugn Sarah Palin or her supporters (as was done to me in this thread). I did however criticize the idea that we conservatives, or redstaters, or tea partiers for that matter fall in to one of 3 camps when it comes to Palin. (yes, I consider myself a conservative, a long timer redstater, and a tea partier before it was cool).

    I don’t believe my comments were exacerbating the ‘heated rhetoric’ heretofore… and to the contrary… as one who will GLADLY support Sarah Palin should she win the nomination… I believe my comments should encourage those who support Palin to support her in positive means, rather than ad hominem attacks and foolish rhetoric that serves no purpose than to stir the emotional pot.

    I respect you a lot Scope as a fellow the the 3 aforementioned associations… and if I’ve offended… my sincerest apologies to everyone… it wasn’t my intent…

  • StandardCandle
  • StandardCandle
  • StandardCandle

    I am a Jerk… but I’m one of your Jerks… so remember that you agree with me on politics over 98% of the time before complaining about my “jerkiness”.

    needless to say… but for irony’s sake i’ll say it anyhow…

    “Three different commenters, and all have exactly the same Jerk,
    driven the same amount of inanity.
    Three very similar opinions of commenters with the exact same Jerk from the same thread.
    No one of them can change the mind of the Jerk.
    It just seems hopeless to even try.”

    :)

  • gekster

    Go ahead and pat yourself on the back.
    You earned it by being the smartest in the room.

  • StandardCandle
  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison
  • StandardCandle

    and I wasn’t being flippant either…

    I read through your blogs, and your comments… I mean ‘genius’ respectfully and sincerely

    I was however pointing out that your comment to me was hypocritical by intent… and you should have known better.

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    I was being snarky and unkind when I mocked your writing style, and I apologize. I think that Gekster did a good thing by trying to get Palin fans and detractors into a neutral forum, and while it’s not a perfect metaphor, it doesn’t have to be, since it’s not called “A Small Treatise On Big Government Conservatism: George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, and the Seemingly-Insoluble Problems of Winning Both the Base and Moderates”. It’s just a way to get people talking.

    Anyway, I think that you owe gekster an apology. You’ve been pretty insulting and haven’t even said that you misinterpreted the diary in the first place; everyone who weighed in on the issue (including Scope, in what may be the most gently-phrased rebuke I’ve ever seen from her) has pointed this out.

    Again, sorry for blasting you. I don’t like doing that, generally.

  • Scope

    I’m going to reply to you tomorrow because I can’t keep my mind on this while rooting on Pittsburg. I will get back to this.

  • Scope

    with this reply, however, what I was trying to say was that I saw gekster’s diary to be more of a “please can’t we all get along, and respect one another’s opinions” diary than promoting anyone to or against Palin. I know you’ve probably read many of the comments on the diaries that have been written about Palin and Pence. It’s at the point that I need to put my bullet proof vest on before I make any comments for or against either of them.

    I didn’t join Redstate until very late in the 08 season, when McCain was already our penance. Palin did in fact make me feel better at that time with McCain being it. I’ve read some accounts of how bloody the site was with respect to the candidates during the primary season, up to and including many long time members leaving, never to return. I can see that type of scenario playing out once again, when this primary season really kicks into gear. Heck, it’s already started before the season has kicked into gear.

    Your advice that commentors support their candidates in a positive way would do wonders. It is frustrating to watch some go after those that might have questions, or who have not just jumped on their guys bandwagon. If I post a positive comment about Mike Pence, I don’t expect to be called delusional for that support.

    Again, sorry to be so late in responding to your reply.

  • gekster

    After rereading his initial comment,
    “This has got to be the WORST Narrative that any Sarah Palin fan could come up with… ”
    It seams standerd candle was just walking down the block looking for someone to kick, and it was me.
    And as if that wasn’t bad enough,
    he took my ball and threw it onto a second story porch. :(

    It seams he has done a full 180.

    Just to be clear, I was :
    1. Trying to get posters who were arguing over Palin away from a good Mike Pence diary “remember the Mike Pence diary?” onto a diary where they could have a free for all and all the bloodloss they could stand, without it being a threadjack.
    2. Just trying to show posters that they are all looking at the same thing, and seeing it different, and no one of them was wrong or right in thier own opinion.

    This is what you get for trying to be a nice guy.

  • StandardCandle

    In all honesty I’m both a fan of Mike Pence and Sarah Palin… For ENTIRELY different reasons.

    If I had to choose between which one I would rather have for POTUS, I’d go with Mike Pence in every scenario.

    I detest the inane fidgeting over who would make a better candidate… and its not an apples and oranges comparison, neither is it an apples and apples or oranges and oranges comparison.

    The issues I took with the diary was two fold…

    1. This shouldn’t be a debate right now, and its creating division and its drawing blood. I felt like the writer of the diary had good intentions… and good intentions pave the way to hell… commentator hell. You know you’re there when emotional responses are more heavily weighted than rational ones.

    Rather than attempting to give a place for this discussion, let it unfold wherever it may… and let the morons weed themselves out by getting banned for thread-jacking or impropriety. These weeds will pop up anywhere, there’s no way to govern where they grow. It’s best to challenge them where they are, and call down the blam stick when its appropriate. The cool-headed ones will benefit from the back and forth, and might even become decent citizens of Redstate. The insane ones will earn their right to the blam stick wound.

    2. I really despise categorical metaphors that fit a narrow mindset. Hopefully my comment opened up the eyes of the writer, as well as others who hope to refine their writing skills here at this site.

    No I don’t hope to police things here at Redstate that’s a hard job. That’s not my job… but I do hope to influence others to be better at who they are and influence them to be better at expressing the most salient topics of both their minds and hearts.

    How I do that may or may not be “nice” but it will be what comes to mind when commenting. Take it or leave it… I’m not perfect… neither do I want to be considered “the smartest in the room”… but when someone takes my words as pepper in the eye, rather than with a grain of salt… and then turns it into a slur contest… then “I’ll be {their} huckleberry’ and I will have ‘fun’ at their emotional expense. Most people label this as immature… I think of it as witty.

    Yes… I’m that “one in every family”.

  • gekster

    an apology, however slight.
    Now go get my ball back. ;)

  • StandardCandle

    until you separate your emotional viewpoint from my rational critique, you’re gonna continue to make this a “him against me” thing…

    if you wanted to know my motive… just ask… you never did… nor did you try to glean what you could, and move on… instead, you reacted defensively and implied I have a reading comprehension issue… as far as I’m concerned you got what you deserved.

    Its your diary, I can understand you thinking that every comment revolves around you… but my comment wasn’t about you… and you still haven’t grasped that reality yet.

  • gekster

    You seam to attach “emotional” to a lot of things.
    It was YOU who tried to read something onto a very simplistic diary.
    It was YOU who tried to do an analogy where one was not required.
    It is YOU, in a dilusional state keep trying to put “emotions” where none are present, nor required.
    “I” suggest “you” get over “your” emotions.

    No further comment by me will be needed, as I will let it die out.
    In the future, when I write a diary, I must keep in mind that some mindless fool will come along and trash it just to trash it, and I must take into account all the fools that go walking down the block looking for someone or something to kick. And doing it just for the hell of it, as this person has done.

  • StandardCandle

    It was a simplistic diary. Hence the critique. And so we’re clear, I did an analysis, not an analogy. You tried to do an analogy by narrative, and failed your own normative form.

    Sincerely I hope that when you write another diary, that you think about what you’re trying to accomplish with your words, rather than using a flaky narrative and getting upset when someone explains the logical fallacies of your thoughts. I would also hope you don’t take critique of your ideas as a critique of your value as a person. I hope you stop implying that people are out to get you… they’re not… nobody wants to kick you and throw you ball away… just for the sake of bullying.

    I want to point out that I never insulted your intelligence. (however you attempted to do this to me several times). You’re 63 years old, and still you seem to think ‘labels’ mean something. I’ll give you examples of when you tried to label people in this thread.

    “Reading comprehension is your friend”
    “Ok Homer, tell me…”
    “I take it you are buyer #3″
    “with collage edumakative words…not worth it”
    “…the smartest in the room.”
    “…trying to be a nice guy.”
    “…Are you a shrink.”

    I am 30, I’m less than half your age, and it seem a little supercilious of me to have to point these things out to you, but you should know that I do it for the sake of civility going forward, and not to rub more pepper in your eye.

    If you clicked on my profile link you’d know I’m not a shrink. I think its odd that when I challenged your ideas with “collage edumakative words” that you immediately began to respond with cynical statements towards education and intelligence. So take it with a grain of salt knowing that I’m not a shrink when I say…

    It seems to me that you may have some poorly directed disdain and mistrust for the educated, which would imply you’ve had some difficult trials in your life that you blame on people that you perceived as “more educated” than yourself, but are “less smart” than you… The bible has a word for that… Envy.

    We’ll see if you will stick to your word that you’re gonna let this die off here… cause frankly I don’t care respond to this thread any longer, but if you continue to ask me questions, I will reply out of etiquette.