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As I have written on the topics of non-violent passive-aggressive civil disobedience and nullification, I often find myself ridiculed by some on the right. Even given the strong history of both tactics meeting with great success on more than one occasion, there is still the detractor or two – or three, or more. Schopenhauer once said that:

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

It is wise to remember that ridicule does not negate a point. It is quite often that ridicule exposes an unconscious or even conscious level of discomfort by those who level criticism for criticism’s sake. When ridicule stands alone without the backing of debate or facts, the signpost of truth lights up like the sun for the object of derision. The perpetrator is left attempting to stand on a foundation ripped from underfoot and the reaction is more often than not outright censorship or an unending campaign of sarcasm. Often a type of mob rule takes over as others join the fray until all sense of intelligence has left the building.

It is unfortunate that, as is often typical, we wait until Schopenhauer’s third condition is met before acting, creating an even greater challenge and often finding ourselves in a reactive mode to events that take on a life of their own, making it almost if not literally impossible to effectively deal with the issue under question using a strategy that would have worked in the first place. We must first exhaust strategies that, had we honestly scrutinized and debated their efficacy within the current system, would be found wanting. We stick with the comfortable and work within a system whose rules are already written to guarantee our failure. Men like Gandhi and Martin Luther King understood this. In the past, those on the left have understood this, but most of the entire center-right spectrum does not – or will not. The refusal to even consider a strategy which has freed hundreds of millions of Indians from colonial rule, lead to the success of the Civil Rights movement, and ended apartheid in South Africa, along with a host of other successes is, quite frankly, myopic.

“I HEARTILY ACCEPT the motto, “That government is best which governs least”; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically.” Thus begins the treatise titled Civil Disobedience by author, poet, and philosopher Henry David Thoreau. Both the man himself and the treatise were often quoted by Mohandas Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. It was widely read in the 1940 by the Danish resistance, referenced in the 1950s by those who opposed McCarthyism, influential in the 1960s during the struggle against apartheid in South Africa, and used in the 1970s by anti-war activists. Never before, to my knowledge, has this treatise been used by conservative and/or independent American citizens who want their country taken back from the Statists in Washington.

Perhaps it is time we realize the power of the tactic of civil disobedience and its ability to bring about rapid and real change. To this end, we will take a look at this treatise and the ideas of Henry Thoreau concerning civil disobedience that experience has indicated time and time again actually work.

I would like to begin the discussion with two quotes. First, let us hear from Gandhi as he reference Henry Thoreau:

Thoreau was a great writer, philosopher, poet, and withal a most practical man, that is, he taught nothing he was not prepared to practice in himself. … He went to gaol [a correctional institution used for detention] for the sake of his principles and suffering humanity. His essay has, therefore, been sanctified by suffering. Moreover, it is written for all time. Its incisive logic is unanswerable.

Martin Luther King, Jr. had this to say about Thoreau in his autobiography:

I became convinced that noncooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good. No other person has been more eloquent and passionate in getting this idea across than Henry David Thoreau. As a result of his writings and personal witness, we are the heirs of a legacy of creative protest.

So here we have a strategy used successfully to end apartheid in South Africa, bring Civil Rights to this country, and end the colonial occupation of India by Britain. Pretty powerful stuff. As we stand on the precipice of financial ruin the the question is not if the contemporaneous apocalyptic future outlined in the American Thinker post titled Let It Burn will occur, but when. My assumption in making this statement is that we, as a country, no longer possess the fortitude to pull off a proactive civil disobedience campaign or even nullification. We have become a nation of reactive activists. As much good as the Tea Parties appear to be doing, ObamaCare still passed. Even in November, when the bums are voted out, they will only be replaced by new bums. Try as we might, the fact is that, with few exceptions, even “our kind of conservative” is unprotected against the corruptive power of DC.

As long as the disease of Statism is allowed to exist and the power is not returned to the rightful owners – the people and the states – then big business, unions, and other special interests will continue to make the rules that defined the culture of large, centralized power in DC. The only way - only way – to get back that power is not by relying on others currently or soon to be placed into the very system that delivered us to this place, but the collective power of liberty loving Americans willing to do the hard work of taking this country back through self-power. Can we do it? I have my doubts. Today’s society is filled with distractions designed to occupy our minds on anything but that which we should be most concerned. Even our successes turn into failures. When we gathered in the town halls of last August, culminating in over 2 million people on the DC mall, our voices were still not heard. We fight amongst ourselves while the enemy marches deliberately onward. Some pride themselves on the lack of organization of some of the Tea Parties, not realizing that it is through organization and cooperation that efforts are magnified many times over. We know that inside DC there exists a bubble that insulates those who govern from the reality of the governed, yet pursue strategies that use that very system as if somehow, magically, the system will correct itself by the sheer force of our will when no point of reference exists past or present as an objective guidepost this strategy holds any hope of success. Meanwhile, Rome burns.

It is pre-1776 again and the sovereignty of the British parliament is now replaced by the sovereignty of a small city called Washington DC. What our founders fought and died for is itself a dying dream. When they looked across the pond and noted how much power resided in the hands of so few people, they put the aggregate might of their considerable intellectual power behind creating a system of government where power resided in the people and the states with limited powers reserved for the federal government. In short, they looked at Britain and did the opposite. However, over 200 years of abuses by the Supreme Court, in collusion with the other two powers of the federal government, morphed a philosophy of government by the people and turned it on its head into a government over the people. Dr. Larry Hunter, former policy advisor to President Ronald Reagan and a good personal friend and mentor describes it well in his article Political Law of the Hammer: Pound the People:

The Law of the Hammer states: Give a child a hammer, and he will discover everything needs a good pounding. It holds for politicians as well.

However, while children grow up and learn to use many of the other implements available in the human tool kit, politicians never grow up because their tool kit—government—contains only hammers. They come in various sizes and shapes but all government’s tools are hammers in one form or another, and all politicians and bureaucrats act like children when they get their hands on them: Pound the People.

In other words, all government is capable of doing is pounding on people and inflicting pain. Even when it gives money away to a select group of favorites, government first must extract the money from someone else by pounding on them. Government has no capacity to create anything so it first must take in order to give. It must harvest the fruits of others in order to bestow those fruits on someone else. Politicians call it “fairness” and “good government;” the people experience theft and pillage and feel violated. Consent of the people has become a sick joke; it’s the consent of a prisoner—consent or get pounded.

What then distinguishes government from organized crime? Not much although government certainly is less efficient than the mob. What essentially separates government from the Mafia is that government operates under the color of law and through a complex web of propaganda and public education (all publicly funded of course) that has been able to convince people to accept government’s oppression as legitimate because the color of law is tinted in pigments of “democracy.” As the president said recently in a commencement address:

What troubles me is when I hear people say that all of government is inherently bad. . .When our government is spoken of as some menacing, threatening foreign entity, it ignores the fact that in our democracy, government is us.

Well, there is some truth to that. As Pogo famously observed, “We have met the enemy and he is us.”

This pillage under the color of law is what the president means by “sharing the wealth” and why he feels free to lecture us so blatantly that “at some point you’ve made enough money.” Pound the People, Mr. President.

In that same recent graduation speech, Obama acted out as democratic demagogue-in-chief when he played on the fear of the masses by warning that boisterous and full-throated criticism of government is illegitimate “partisan rants and name-calling under the guise of legitimate discourse,” which he insisted poses a serious danger to America’s democracy, and may incite “extreme elements” to violence. Give the president a hammer, in this case a teleprompter, and watch him pound the people.

It is interesting that democracy has become America’s secular Puritanism since the Founding Fathers understood well the vagaries of democracy and went to great lengths to prevent it from getting a grip on the United States. Regrettably, their efforts to house democracy in a constitutional cage and keep in on a leash when taken out to do some work have been proven by historical events to be a stupendous failure.

Democracy, like any form of government in its purest form can be distilled into the aphorism, “Might Makes Right.” What distinguishes democracy from monarchies and dictatorships and oligarchies is that rather than the might of a single person or a small clique of people making right, the might of a simple majority gives a bare 51 percent of the people the right to impose its will on the largest conceivable minority of people.

And, modern-day democracy has taken this tyrannical calculus one step further to mean the might of a plurality of people interested and politically skilled enough to finagle the system and divide people into more than two factions gives that minority plurality the right to impose its rule on the greater majority of the people. The evil genius of democracy is that overtime, democratic elections give everyone a crack at their right to impose democratic oppression on their fellow citizens, creating a dynamic of alternating pluralities, each with its hand in everyone else’s pockets, each with a spyglass on everyone else’s actions, each with the right to hand out hammers to bureaucrats to pound on their fellow citizens on the oust at the time.

Read the whole thing, for it elucidates the very situation in which we find ourselves in a way only Dr. Hunter can.

Many are beginning to realize the slow approach to dealing with this problem is untenable. I describe here why any belief that ObamaCare will be repealed at the federal level is unrealizable. I also describe why any striking of the individual mandate by the Supreme Court will only hasten single payer socialized medicine of government backed insurance cartels. In both cases, some entity whose interest is the bottom line and not your personal health will stand like a wall between you and your doctor. However, we forget that ObamaCare is a symptom of the disease of Statism. Thomas Jefferson noted that it is sheer madness to assume that any federal entity will act to limit its own power, so we are left with what appears to be an immovable object. When faced with such a situation and when all the objective observations point to the inefficacy of current political movements and strategies it is time to check one’s premises. What is missing from our approach? What has worked in the past and worked well in so many other situations that we are currently ignoring? The answer to that question is clear – a massive campaign of non-violent passive-aggressive civil disobedience. Henry Thoreau understood this. When faced with a situation in the body politic where standard tools are impotent in the face of overwhelming power two options become available – violent revolution or civil disobedience. The later stands out not only as a viable solution, but one that can bring lasting change while empowering the governed to transform into those who govern themselves as our founders intended.

I urge the reader to read in its entirety the treatise by Thoreau. I certainly do not agree with the essay in its entirety, but disagreement on a few points does not negate the value of wisdom gleaned. Many years separate Henry Thoreau from you and I so it is not at all surprising that some references are esoteric while others will be quickly seized upon and held up by detractors as evidence the entire work be nullified forthwith. Just keep in mind that those who have made use of this work have prevailed and its power stands on its own against any naysayers, for who can deny the facts of history or the great men and women who have used Thoreau’s philosophy on the matter of civil disobedience as a successful means to their goals of freedom and liberty? While we struggle with the issue of minority rule by the self-created fiat of a few in DC, this timeless work is our guide in taking back that which has been taken away from us. Here are some select parts of the essay I found to possess the greatest power (emphasis mine):

Yet this government never of itself furthered any enterprise, but by the alacrity with which it got out of its way. It does not keep the country free. It does not settle the West. It does not educate. The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. For government is an expedient by which men would fain succeed in letting one another alone; and, as has been said, when it is most expedient, the governed are most let alone by it.

Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? Why has every man a conscience, then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right. It is truly enough said that a corporation has no conscience; but a corporation of conscientious men is a corporation with a conscience. Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice.

In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others, as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders, serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God. A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it. A wise man will only be useful as a man, and will not submit to be “clay,” and “stop a hole to keep the wind away

It is not a man’s duty, as a matter of course, to devote himself to the eradication of any, even the most enormous wrong; he may still properly have other concerns to engage him; but it is his duty, at least, to wash his hands of it, and, if he gives it no thought longer, not to give it practically his support. If I devote myself to other pursuits and contemplations, I must first see, at least, that I do not pursue them sitting upon another man’s shoulders. I must get off him first, that he may pursue his contemplations too. See what gross inconsistency is tolerated.

Unjust laws exist; shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once? Men generally, under such a government as this, think that they ought to wait until they have persuaded the majority to alter them. They think that, if they should resist, the remedy would be worse than the evil. But it is the fault of the government itself that the remedy is worse than the evil. It makes it worse.

Statesmen and legislators, standing so completely within the institution, never distinctly and nakedly behold it. They speak of moving society, but have no resting-place without it. They may be men of a certain experience and discrimination, and have no doubt invented ingenious and even useful systems, for which we sincerely thank them; but all their wit and usefulness lie within certain not very wide limits. They are wont to forget that the world is not governed by policy and expediency. Webster never goes behind government, and so cannot speak with authority about it. His words are wisdom to those legislators who contemplate no essential reform in the existing government; but for thinkers, and those who legislate for all time, he never once glances at the subject. I know of those whose serene and wise speculations on this theme would soon reveal the limits of his mind’s range and hospitality. Yet, compared with the cheap professions of most reformers, and the still cheaper wisdom and eloquence of politicians in general, his are almost the only sensible and valuable words, and we thank Heaven for him. Comparatively, he is always strong, original, and, above all, practical. Still, his quality is not wisdom, but prudence. The lawyer’s truth is not truth, but consistency or a consistent expediency. Truth is always in harmony with herself, and is not concerned chiefly to reveal the justice that may consist with wrong-doing. He well deserves to be called, as he has been called, the Defender of the Constitution.

They who know of no purer sources of truth, who have traced up its stream no higher, stand, and wisely stand, by the Bible and the Constitution, and drink at it there with reverence and humility; but they who behold where it comes trickling into this lake or that pool, gird up their loins once more, and continue their pilgrimage toward its fountain-head.

No man with a genius for legislation has appeared in America. They are rare in the history of the world. There are orators, politicians, and eloquent men, by the thousand; but the speaker has not yet opened his mouth to speak who is capable of settling the much-vexed questions of the day. We love eloquence for its own sake, and not for any truth which it may utter, or any heroism it may inspire. Our legislators have not yet learned the comparative value of free-trade and of freedom, of union, and of rectitude, to a nation. They have no genius or talent for comparatively humble questions of taxation and finance, commerce and manufacturers and agriculture. If we were left solely to the wordy wit of legislators in Congress for our guidance, uncorrected by the seasonable experience and the effectual complaints of the people, America would not long retain her rank among the nations. For eighteen hundred years, though perchance I have no right to say it, the New Testament has been written; yet where is the legislator who has wisdom and practical talent enough to avail himself of the light which it sheds on the science of legislation?

The authority of government, even such as I am willing to submit to — for I will cheerfully obey those who know and can do better than I, and in many things even those who neither know nor can do so well — is still an impure one: to be strictly just, it must have the sanction and consent of the governed. It can have no pure right over my person and property but what I concede to it. The progress from an absolute to a limited monarchy, from a limited monarchy to a democracy, is a progress toward a true respect for the individual.

We stand on the precipice, corralled to this place by years of apathy and gripped by the chains of those who feel powerless, swept up by events instead of defining them. One day each of us will face and question the purpose of our existence. Perhaps as we are dying, or perhaps on some quite afternoon many years from today or sooner for those who are older. On that day, we will look back over the course of our life and ask of ourselves, “What have I done to better the world”? Did I bow before tyranny, or stand up and face it? We are about to be pushed over the cliff. Some of us will all but gladly jump of our own volition. Who amongst us will pivot about and face the wardens of our prison and free ourselves?

In other news and opinion:

The Consent of the Governed. A very timely piece.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    GJ, it seems this is your key passage:

    The only way – only way - to get back that power is not by relying on others currently or soon to be placed into the very system that delivered us to this place, but the collective power of liberty loving Americans willing to do the hard work of taking this country back through self-power. Can we do it?

    You seem very passionate about this subject, and I’ve read the many things you’ve written about the need for, as you term it, “a massive campaign of non-violent passive-aggressive civil disobedience” akin to those created by Ghandi and Martin Luther King, Jr.

    You say the “only way” is “the collective power of liberty loving Americans willing to do the hard work of taking this country back through self-power.” What, exactly, does this mean?

    What, specifically, do you want us to DO?

    I advocate that we conservatives form a conservative precinct committeeman “collective” within the Republican Party so we can collectively, non-violently, take over the Party leadership ranks by sheer numbers (we have them) and then go about the business of helping good, decent, conservative candidates win the primary elections and then go on to the general elections and win there, too.

    That’s pretty specific. I think it’s achievable. Indeed, if we can’t achieve that, I’ll be pretty disappointed by all those millions of conservatives across the country who have an opinion on everything political but can’t quite seem to translate all that thinking into ACTION where it matters: at their local GOP committee meeting.

    So, again, could you please tell us exactly what “the collective power of liberty loving Americans willing to do the hard work of taking this country back through self-power” means?

    What’s the “collective power?”

    How do we obtain it?

    What’s the “hard work of taking this country back” mean?

    What’s the “hard work?”

    What’s “taking this country back” mean to you?

    What is this “self-power” you speak of?

    If you don’t know, that’s okay. Just tell us.

    If you know, could you please tell us?

    Or, if we’re supposed to come up with the answers on our own, which seems to be the case, could you just spell that out for us?

    And I’m not trying to ridicule you or the ideas. I just don’t know what I’m supposed to DO after I read your articles. I’m asking the questions I ask because these are the fair questions that come to my mind.

    For Liberty,
    ColdWarrior, PC (that?s ?precinct committeeman,? not ?political child!?)
    Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW!

  • http://www.wolvesofliberty.com GJ Merits

    Self power is the power of you and I – not federally elected officials. And please understand that I did not mean to imply that you yourself have ever ridiculed me. I have never thought that for a second. I consider you a very thoughtful individual and your ideas are intriguing and actually quite workable in an ecosystem where Statism is a word of the past. So perhaps my language is too strong is stating “the only way”.

    For me, it is the only way right now to stop the insanity in a timely manner before things get really out of hand. The AT link to the story “Let It Burn” is quite telling. We are in for a fiscal disaster the likes of which you and I have never seen. This is an emergency that requires an ambulatory response. The patient is at home and dying and requires quick transportation.

    As I indicate in my post and other posts I link to, the solution to Statism is not getting “our people” into federal positions. They will no more abdicate power than a tyrant dictator would step down when asked nicely.

    The idea of taking back our country in the manner in which you speak has two requirements that must be met. One – it must be timely. Right now Rome is burning and time is not something we have. Action must be taken now. There is no way our party is going to repeal ObamaCare in 2010 due to the threat of the veto pen and by 2012 the edifice is complete and it will all but impossible to tear it down.

    Secondly, your position requires that I put my trust in others as opposed to myself and there is no point of reference this has ever worked in the past. Particularly, I am to place my trust in those who will ultimately sit in positions of power in a government where the bulk of the power resides. As indicated in the last post I link to near the bottom, relying on a federal power to be an arbiter of itself and abdicate power to the rightful owners – you and I – is a dangerous proposition indeed. So for us to beat back Statism requires that other tools at our disposal be utilized:

    [Another common belief in America today is that the supreme court has the last word in deciding whether a law is constitutional. In Supreme Injustice, Andy Quesnelle addressed this misconception. He wrote about the conflict of interest that occurs when the federal government is the sole arbiter. Andy wrote,

    "In a conflict between A and B, we, as a society, do not permit A to be the sole judge of who wins. Nor do we allow B to do so. The reason is simple. If A can decide the merits of his own conflict with B, B loses, every time. Conversely, if B can decide the merits of her own conflict with A, B wins. Its simple human nature. No person can be trusted to be the judge in their own case."]

    As to what to do, that requires coordination and opportunistic strategical thinking. Gandhi and MLK did not have a playbook. Once there is enough dedication – which usually requires a very charismatic leader – then the commitment is made. Once the commitment is made and nobody feels they will be hung out to dry, then there are some among us who will take the plunge and take the risks. Think Rosa Parks. The last link is also very telling in this statement:

    [So the law, the king, is the Constitution. Everyone, even our federal legislators, judges and executive officers, is a subject of the Constitution. When our legislators write laws that violate the Constitution, it is our duty as citizens to defend the king?. To resist. It is our duty as jurors to find accused violators of Unconstitutional laws to be not guilty and it is the duty of the state official to nullify Unconstitutional federal legislation. The citizens and the States are empowered, and duty bound, to ensure that federal officials remain loyal to King Constitution....

    Upon reflection, we may realize that disobeying a void law is like dividing by zero. It can?t be done. In order to be disobeyed, a law must first be legal. Civil disobedience, nullification and jury nullification are ways for us to formalize the recognition that a law is void.

    So the paradox is answered when we recognize that the lawless behavior comes from attempting to enforce an unconstitutional law, not from resisting it....]

    In the end your approach may be the only workable one until things get bad enough that massive civil unrest takes on a spontaneous life of its own. If history is any guide, this can be a bad situation to be in. My hope is we can use a relatively calm sea to charter our boat through before we become reactive and event driven. It is the later case that has the greatest opportunity to get out of hand. What I advocate is having a leader of great charisma lead this country out of the hole in which we find ourselves. Will it happen? Who knows? But the clock is ticking.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    for calling a certain portion of the population whose lives are rooted in sola Scriptura soil to violate their consciences based on words of Thoreau, Gandhi and … Hunter?

    If you’d like, please let me know when you find your “very charismatic leader … a leader of great charisma”. Yawn. Pardon me. I’ve already been found by mine, thank you, and he has made it very clear that there are consequences for those who tamper with the consciences of those belonging to him.

  • http://www.wolvesofliberty.com GJ Merits

    I don’t assume any such responsibility. I only make observations and, as should be very clear from my writings, I am for liberty, so asking someone to violate their conscience is anathema to me. If you read what I wrote and follow some of the links (particularly the last one) you will note that I am stating that if YOUR conscience tells you something is wrong, it is your choice to decide to do something about it. I am not in the business of forcing my will upon anyone.

    As for a leader of great charisma – I don’t know when. But when America needed him, there was Martin Luther King. When India needed him, there was Gandhi. When South Africa needed him, there was Nelson Mandela. When they are needed, they seem to appear. Perhaps a higher power does provide them to us or conditions just cause some obscure person to suddenly rise up and take the reins. I don’t pretend to know of such things or how they occur, only that they DID occur.

    A quote by Churchill makes a good point:

    “If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    By definition, the will always chooses the most desired of possible choices in every instance. Short of employing certain physical or psychological compulsive techniques– which reduce the number of available choices to zero– no one ever forces their will upon another in such a way as to remove the will of the other. If you overpower or drug me, hold my hand to the trigger against all of my inclination and strength to resist, and cause me to shoot someone, I could rightly claim that I had acted involuntarily, and therefore my will was not involved in choosing an outcome contrary to my strongest desires. But if you had instead placed the gun in my hand while holding your own to my head, and said “Shoot him or die”, although you would have reduced my choices to only two, your will would not have overcome mine at all: it would be fully active and accountable as it swung compass-like toward the selection of what I valued most–as with Jack Benny’s annoyed response to his mugger’s “Your money or your life!”, “I’m thinking! I’m thinking!”

    Unless Neil has been tinkering with the software and finally gotten the Mind Control Rays back up, then, there is no way on earth you could, in this environment, “force your will upon anyone”.

    Providing opportunity for the violation of another’s conscience. however, is a very different story. At its root is the portrayal of a real or even potential evil as if it were in fact good–or the inverse of the same–and that is what you have done here by pitting Thoreau, Gandhi, King, Mandela (and the uncharacteristically unguarded Churchill*) against perspicuous commands from a much more authoritative source.

    It is also not well that in a single thread you have attempted to justify this by claiming that you “only make observations” immediately below having described what you “advocate”.

    * about Churchill, as much as I love to quote him, he was on the wrong side of the Scriptures here as well. Taken literally he would have ended all hope for the world, since it was Joseph’s faithful endurance of slavery that brought about not only his own deliverance, but his family’s as well, and it was through Judah that salvation came to the world. And I reckon you would find more than a handful of descendants of American slavery who would argue that they were glad that their forebears had seen the long struggle through to the end rather than rashly perish.

  • http://www.wolvesofliberty.com GJ Merits

    Your observations are very astute and engaging. However, I have to ask about your more authoritative source. If you are talking of scripture I often find such areas to be of limited value in objective discussion with faith being such a subjective experience. As a Christian myself, I am not unaware of the contradictory behavior and messaging in the scriptures but what I AM aware of is why they exist.

    And who is to say this more authoritative source did not place in the hearts of those I mention the words, deeds, and historical actions they initiated? Can either of us know the mind of God? The deeds in the scriptures are about reactions and events of historical figures appropriate to the situation they find themselves embroiled in. That is why one can call Jesus the “Prince of Peace” yet not be surprised when he turns over the tables of the tax collectors in anger.

    I recommend the reading Martial Law vs. Christian Responsibility: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=507. In this the author quotes and discusses scripture to make a point, which should be clear from the quotes themselves and the title:

    [For an example of this, consider Romans 13 again. The standard snake oil sold by the Dr. Tuberville's of the world (unwittingly or not), where this passage is concerned, is that government is the "higher power" and must be obeyed in all things. This is what you're likely to hear when a clergy response team member shows up on your doorstep, flanked by national guardsmen and demanding that you hand over your firearms, supplies, and/or valuables, or that you accompany them to Hotel Halliburton. Yet, as we have already seen, the Constitution, not the government, is the highest "power" in the United States of America, and those who act outside of it are criminals.

    Note also that the Apostle Paul was arguing that Christians should support the "higher powers" because government is ordained by God to be "an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil." "Rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior," Paul tells us, "but for evil," after which he admonishes us to be "in subjection not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake." So what then of a government which, instead of punishing evil, actually practices evil itself? Can Paul have been suggesting that Christians should view the evil actions of a lawless power as somehow bearing the approval of God? Can a Christian either condone or submit to evil doings "for conscience' sake"? Is it possible to do good by sanctioning, submitting to, or participating in evil? As Paul himself was fond of saying, "God forbid!"]

    The author continues and I ask you to pay special attention to the instructions to aid the oppressed:

    [2) While Paul instructed Christians to recognize Roman rule, he never once suggested that they should sanction or participate in Roman brutality. Indeed, the Bible contains a number of passages that instruct us to aid the oppressed (not to aid in their oppression):

    Proverbs 24:10-12: "If you are slack [weak, feeble] in the day of distress, your strength is limited. Deliver those who are being taken away to death, and those who are staggering to slaughter, Oh hold {them} back. If you say, “See, we did not know this,” Does He not consider {it} who weighs the hearts? And does He not know {it} who keeps your soul? And will He not render to man according to his work?”

    Isaiah 1:16-17: “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight. Cease to do evil, Learn to do good; Seek justice, Reprove the ruthless, Defend the orphan, Plead for the widow.”

    Jeremiah 21:12: “O house of David, thus says the LORD: ?Administer justice every morning; And deliver the {person} who has been robbed from the power of {his} oppressor, that My wrath may not go forth like fire and burn with none to extinguish {it,} because of the evil of their deeds.’”

    Jeremiah 22:2-3: “Thus says the LORD, ?Do justice and righteousness, and deliver the one who has been robbed from the power of {his} oppressor. Also do not mistreat {or} do violence to the stranger, the orphan, or the widow; and do not shed innocent blood in this place.’”

    The above passages make it clear that no one who claims to fear God should have anything to do with oppressing the innocent; but, rather, they should actively “reprove” those who do such things and “deliver” those who are being victimized. Genesis 14 tells the story of how Abraham attacked and overcame a group of kings who had taken his nephew, Lot, captive; and, in Job 29, we’re told that, among the good deeds Job was known for, he “delivered the poor who cried for help, and the orphan who had no helper,” and “broke the jaws of the wicked and snatched the prey from his teeth.” The Bible refers to both Abraham and Job as “righteous” and “upright.” Further, in I Timothy 5:8, the Apostle Paul, who wrote Romans 13, remarks: “But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” Surely “providing” for one’s own involves protecting them from those who would do them harm.

    3) Two recorded instances from the Apostle Paul’s own life demonstrate that a Christian need not submit to injustice simply because it is perpetrated by agents of the state. Both examples come to us from the book of Acts.

    The first is recorded in Acts 22, where Roman authorities questioned Paul in relation to his part in a riot that had just taken place in Jerusalem. Not satisfied with his answers, the Roman “chief captain” ordered that Paul be subjected to a bit of enhanced interrogation, 1st Century style (they were going to scourge him while questioning him further). Now, Paul was a Roman citizen, and under Roman law it was illegal to scourge a citizen. Paul pointed this out to his captors in Acts 22:23, and was spared the torture in favor of a trial.

    The second example comes from Acts 25. Paul, who was then on trial before Porcius Festus, the Roman governor of Judea, saw that the governor was probably not going to give him a fair trial, and so he invoked the supreme right of a Roman citizen: he appealed to Caesar himself in hope of justice. He did this respectfully, but resolutely.

    Clearly, the Apostle Paul had no problem with questioning authorities or appealing to the law in his defense, and I see no biblical reason why modern Christians are under obligation to act any differently. The Constitution is our supreme law, our supreme authority; we have every right to appeal to its provisions and to demand that those provisions be respected and not overthrown.]

    As is often the case, scripture can be used to make whatever case you wish to make. Therefore, when dealing with events in the world, if I draw attention to an historical event to buttress an argument I am neither affirming nor denying an “authoritative higher power” nor am I making any assumptions as to whether that power had anything to do whatsoever in the historical events as I don’t pretend to know the will of God. MLK was obviously a Christian and it would certainly appear he was following the will of God, but I can’t prove this conclusively. When dealing with history and events of man, one uses references to the history and events of man. If it is not in scripture – and even if it is – one must tread very lightly. As the author of the above piece indicates, the government is already training and has actually used clergy response teams during Katrina (the author provides links and video evidence) to work with the powers engaged in enforcing martial law that would include defusing tense situations. Given what happened in Katrina, it does not take a leap of faith to realize that a tense situation is code for getting citizens to give up their arms peacefully. The author also shows how scripture is misused to convey an attitude of passiveness to authority:

    [A member of one such clergy response team, Dr. Durell Tuberville, was interviewed by KSLA, and stated that Christians have a responsibility to obey the government, no matter what. "The government's established by the Lord," said Tuberville. "That's what we believe in the Christian faith. That's what's stated in the scripture.]

    So as you can clearly see, it is possible for scripture to make both sides of the case – be passive or resist and help those oppressed. You can see any dilemma that would arise when using scripture to make a case. However, that being said, I believe if my heart leads me in a certain direction and the pull is very strong, that I am doing the right thing. Therefore, for me it is as clear as bright blue sky.

    Tyranny is not to be tolerated and we are not to submit to it. For me, even though I don’t know the will of God, if my belief in him is based on faith alone then my belief that He is not directing us to submit to evil is also an act of faith predicated on the obvious: that as an act of faith I can’t prove my conclusion. For those who wish to believe that God directs us to submit to earthly powers greater than us, they are more than free hold these dictums.

    I look upon such a belief as an excuse for submission and thankfully our founders and MLK did not fall prey to such thinking. History is not made by those who submit, but by those who resist. Change is not enacted by acts of submission, but by acts themselves – acts that empower the individual. And there is not a person in this entire world who can argue conclusively these acts are or are not driven by a higher power so the need for the discussion is muted.

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    until “faith being such a subjective experience”, and I even held on for curiosity’s sake from “contradictory … messaging in the Scriptures” through “can either of us know the mind of God?”

    For those taking notes:

    1) there is but one faith that was once for all delivered to the saints
    2) the scriptures are the very Word of God and never deliver a contradictory message; rather there are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
    3) the secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

    I take back what I said before. Don’t bother calling when you find Great Leader. You’ll have more fun without me.

  • http://www.wolvesofliberty.com GJ Merits

    Faith is a subjective experience and this is actually a powerful tool against materialism and scientism. You see, an atheist does not realize that if you can’t prove or disprove the existence of God (which means that faith is subjective and not objective – I thought this would be obvious) then if one chooses not to believe in God then one is practicing faith, albeit a faith in the non-existence of something. If you can’t prove to me your non-belief by objectively showing the non-existence of what I believe in, you have no objective ground to stand on. Therefore, even as a non-believer you are a person of faith. I would state the object of my faith is different than the object of the non-believer, but we both practice the subjective act of faith. I am not sure why this is such a problem for you and rubs you the wrong way.

    Can you objectively prove to me God exists? Is not the fact you can’t what makes faith such a powerful force. To have faith is to believe in something you cannot prove and by doing so your worship of God is all the more powerful. If you could objectively prove to me God exists, then the world would be a whole lot different than it is today and one’s faith could never be tested as it would not longer be faith. If it is obvious and provable in the objective case, then there is not need for faith at all.

    What am I missing here?

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    And I say that sans my earlier sarcasm*, but with true and deep concern.

    The faith delivered once for all to the saints is no mere subjective experience but rather a particular message rooted in a historical, objectively verifiable truth claim about a person who was last seen ~1980 years ago by ~500 witnesses after having walked out of a sealed tomb, and who said, among other things prior to his departure, that at a least-expected moment he would return to execute the final judgment against humanity, cleansing the cosmos in the process.

    Because this REALLY isn’t the place to go deeper into this, and not wanting to get Moe’d down, I will leave you with a rhetorical and a link or two of providentially congruent import to your questions.

    You have said that you are a Christian. Does that mean that you gratefully acknowledge, as did the apostles, your eternal bliss or woe to be nailed to a propositional historical truth claim capable of being objectively falsified had an enemy-guarded body merely stayed in its grave:

    Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you? unless you believed in vain.

    For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.

    And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. …If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.

    And from the inimitable White Horse Inn broadcasts:

    Christianity, a Faith Founded on Facts
    and.
    Contending for the Faith

    * which was intended to expose the inconsistency of denying the objective authority of the Scriptures while simultaneously attempting to employ selected passages to advantage–which in normal life is called cutting off the limb one is sitting on.

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  • http://www.wolvesofliberty.com GJ Merits

    I still stand by the idea of it being objective. To the point, anything which you do not personally witness is subjective and if you report something you have seen to me I must accept it upon faith you are correct (which is a subjective act) or deny you are correct (also a subjective act). There is no way to get around the fact of subjectivity and it is this that gives us firepower against materialists, atheists, and others. My pastor is beside himself sometimes at the missed opportunities to expose materialists like Dennett and Dawkins as being faith-based in their own belief. The argument is so easy to make.

    The error in your statement resides from the fact you can’t PROVE to me anything you believe and therefore, by the very definition of the word, your statements are subjective. I don’t mean any insult here, it is just what the word means. Objective has an entirely different meaning. If you can’t show it to me, or even infer its existence (such as using an x-ray machine to show me my ribs as evidence of x-rays), then your can’t, by definition, prove it to me. I must accept it on faith which is what Christianity is all about. If I KNOW God exists beyond a reasonable doubt and can prove it objectively, there would be no need for faith.

    To be even more precise, my faith could never be tested. If I see God and know He exists, then I have as much need to have faith in his existence as I do to have faith in the existence of my hand. Its obvious and therefore objective.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    Not that I’m surprised, having heard them bay from Schopenhauer straight to Schleierrmacher, and the less so following your unwarranted opening salvo of chastisement against the spectators for potentially ridiculing the chase.

    Assuming the final word in your first sentence to be the opposite of what you intended, there is no disagreement here with your point that the materialist has an unshakeable subjective conviction about God. While that can be of apologetic use in treating with materialists, your insistence on returning to that scenario–twice in the middle of run-on sentences, so eager you seem to raise the point!–as validation for asserting the Christian faith as merely subjective, it has no bearing whatever on whether the question of whether that body of propositions is rooted in truth or not. It’s not for me to know whether you are avoiding the question intentionally or not, but avoiding it you have been.

    Of course different epistemologies mark the horizon between subjectivity and objectivity at different points along the continuum between “in my mind” and “not in my mind”. By confining the objective within the extent of your immediate sensory perception, even with your allowance of a slight outward bulge for inference from machines designed to extend that perception, the rest of the physical and metaphysical and supernatural realms fall beyond that horizon, thus subjective to you and allowing you to use the term “faith” to describe your interaction with them.

    As a thought exercise there is nothing inherently wrong with that definition. Its adoption may pose the occasional temptation to hope that the unsleeping Langoliers perched on the back of your head would stop gobbling up the objective truth that had actually existed until you turned around; you may have had to train yourself to not say “Hi, honey, I’m glad that what I believed was you while what I believed was you was gone is now really back!” to your wife every time you blink your eyes, and you might actually wish that you could say without self-contradiction that you are the same entity today that some entity experienced getting into its bed last night, but I will grant–having done so–that it actually can provide a useful construct for demonstrating the inescapability of presuppositions to a diehard materialist.

    The problem here, however, is that you are employing a triple equivocation of the terms “the faith” and “subjective”.

    First, in normal human intercourse, the standard definition of “objective” has a far more distant horizon than yours, and includes the concept of inference from not only probable extrapolation of past perception but also that peculiar mode of perception involving the testimony of reliable witnesses. Not only so, but different fields of knowledge set the boundary at varying distances, often requiring different modes of validation. Your equivocation is apparent in this very thread–you have referred to multiple authors and several posters under the convention of their objective existence when (unless, say, you were in India over 62 years ago, or have ping-tracked your way to my windows and satisfied yourself with sensory-extensive binoculars that my fingers had typed what you would read moments later) your own definition cannot validate either their or our objectivity in the least.

    Second, since the Bible speaks of its being exercised by particular individuals, there is of course a subjective aspect to faith: it really does operate, in part, within the consciousness of human beings. But even though photons, leaping out of the photosphere as fast as ever they can, will be perceived and described rather differently by myself and my blind daughter, only the most ignorant would then describe them as merely subjective phenomena during the eight minutes prior to their entering our varying perception zones. In the same way, when the Bible speaks of “the faith”–and you will note that both of us used the definite article above to stress the point–it is referring to not only a process occurring within an individual, but that whole slice of historically witnessed objective reality documented in propositional truth claims which are the object–hence its objectivity–of that process. You have not once responded to any of objective claims I have proferred about that faith, merely equivocated by making assertions about its internal realization.

    Third, and most seriously, you have equivocated the Biblical faith–the content of which centers in the historical person and work of Jesus Christ to reconcile sinners to a holy God–with mere belief in that God, even implying that the attainment of such faith–it being apparently so difficult–meritoriously enables you to do what bare objective knowledge could not. By speaking this way you have strayed far from the Biblical record. (NB. Why must I keep hammering back to the Biblical record? There are many reasons, but near the bottom of the pile is the falsifiable-but-unfalsified fact that the one who declared the whole account to be true truth with himself as protagonist also happened to have walked out of his own tomb one day, and you and I both, along with Thoreau, Gandhi and King, have not.)

    Humanity’s knowledge of God, adequate for culpability, is assumed throughout the Scriptures:

    The heavens declare the glory of God,
    and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
    Day to day pours out speech,
    and night to night reveals knowledge.
    There is no speech, nor are there words,
    whose voice is not heard.
    Their voice goes out through all the earth,
    and their words to the end of the world.
    Psalm 19:1-4, ESV

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
    Romans 1:18-21, ESV

    For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law–For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them–on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
    Romans 2:12-16, ESV

    The knowledge may be twisted (“Did God really say?”) or diminished (“Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, ‘To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you.”) but it exists in all who have ever lived; the mere knowledge of God you keep referring to as some attestation of personal piety is rather the common birthright of all fallen humanity:

    You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe?and shudder!
    James 2:19, ESV

    Thus unbelief is never mere intellectual ignorance, but involves a moral dimension, a guilty rejection of the knowledge received–this is how, above, “by their unrighteousness (they) suppress the truth”. The fool of Psalm 14 is not waiting and hoping for someone to tell him more details about God; rather, contrary to all he knows to be true, he rebelliously “says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’”

    Ah, the heart. Ever since the Kant/Schleiermacher demolition crew was let into the church, it has meant the best part of me, the little spark of divinity within, the part that God at least sees and is happiest with. But the Bible paints a very different picture:

    The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
    Genesis 6:5, ESV

    The heart is deceitful above all things,
    and desperately sick;
    who can understand it?
    Jeremiah 17:9, ESV

    And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”
    Mark 7:20-23, ESV

    In that light you might want to re-think your confident assertion that

    You can see any dilemma that would arise when using scripture to make a case. However, that being said, I believe if my heart leads me in a certain direction and the pull is very strong, that I am doing the right thing. Therefore, for me it is as clear as bright blue sky.

    The Biblical faith “once delivered to all the saints”, however, though rooted in a more profound objective reality than anything the creation will ever see, is not to be attained by any by human birthright, nor for payment, nor intellectual rigor, nor valorous virtue, nor philosophical prowess, but is rather the gracious gift of a loving Father communicated to his undeserving but elect children as the Holy Spirit sovereignly works the propositions of the gospel of Jesus Christ into hearts regenerated for the reception of its amazing message:

    For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
    Ephesians 2:8-9, ESV

    Treating that well-attested message as a merely subjective experience is dangerously close to treating its object the same way.

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