Democrats were UNDER-Represented in Delaware Election Nov. 2. O’Donnell did not motivate Democrat vote


Democrats were apparently under-represented   in Delaware’s US Senate race on November 2, 2010, according to CNN exit polls taken on election night.

Voter registration for Delaware’s 2010 election totaled   

Democrats:  47 %.  

Republicans:  29.4%.  

“Other” & Independents:  23.5%

(Voter registration closed on October 9, 2010.   Registration totals are as of October 21, 2010.)

http://elections.delaware.gov/services/candidate/regtotals.shtml

However, actual voter turn out according to CNN’s exit poll was: 

Democrats:  44%. 

Republicans:  30%.   

“Other” & Independents:  27%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/polls/#val=DES01p1

Thus Democrats were under-represented among the actual voters who turned out in the November 2 election.  

 Only 44% of actual voters were Democrats although 47% of all registered voters are Democrats.  Republicans comprised 30% of actual voters while being only 29.4% of registered voters.   (Because Democrat registration surged 11.2% between 2008 and 2010, a full 11.2% of Democrat registered voters are recently-registered and probably highly motivated to vote after recently registering.)

If CNN’s exit poll data is accurate, the theory that Christine O’Donnell energized Democrats to turn out and vote – harming Delaware’s “down ballot” races – is clearly false.  

Democrats actually voted in numbers significantly less than their proportion among registered voters by 44% to 47%.  Republicans voted in a slightly higher proportion than their voter registration by 30% to 29.4%.   Therefore, Christine O’Donnell’s presence on the November 2 ballot clearly did not drive Democrats to vote. 

Two competing theories are being disputed about the US Senate race between Republican Christine O’Donnell and Democrat Chris Coons.   A major debate – perhaps even a healthy debate – is raging within the Republican Party of Delaware about the future of Republicans after the November 2, 2010.

Delaware conservatives generally assert that the failure of the Republican Party to unite after the September 14, 2010, primary and the extraordinary inter-party attacks and strife caused O’Donnell’s loss in the US Senate race.

Delaware moderates or insiders in the Republican Party argue that a massive wave of Democrats was driven to the polls to vote against O’Donnell.  In this argument, they claim that hostility uniquely tied to O’Donnell personally – different from her simply being the Republican nominee – energized Democrats to turn out and vote against the Republican ticket.  They have even argued that O’Donnell “scared” voters who “thought she was a witch.”

Because O’Donnell and Coons roughly split the Independent / Other vote, while Democrats turned out in lower numbers than their presence on the voter registration rolls, O’Donnell’s candidacy clearly did not energize voters to vote against her.

Instead, the results of the US Senate race are clearly explained by the fact that a whopping 18% of all Republicans voted for the Democrat Chris Coons.  The exit polls show that only 82% of those Republicans actually voting cast a ballot for the Republican nominee O’Donnell, 18% of Republicans voting for the Democrat nominee Coons. 

Therefore, the exit poll data shows that Republican defections to vote for the Democrat Coons were responsible for the Republican Party losing the US Senate seat from Delaware.

A noticeable surge in voter turn-out apparently came from Delaware’s large Independent voter population, by 27% of actual voters compared with 23.5% of voter registrations.

The large Independent / Other vote was nearly split between Christine O’Donnell and Chris Coons.  The CNN exit poll showed Coons getting 48% to O’Donnell’s 45% of the Independent vote, while O’Donnell won the Independent vote by 49% to 46%, according to exit polling conducted for Fox News.   SEE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNYxENilNvU

(Fox news’ graphic shows the reverse of the anchor’s verbal report.)

Within the margin of error, O’Donnell and Coons roughly got equal shares of Independent and Other voters.   At the minimum, Coons’ slight advantage among Independents and Other voters was not large enough to explain the election results. 

Therefore, only the defection of 18% of Republican voters can explain the loss of the US Senate race in Delaware in 2010.


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reddog53 (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 12:47PM EDT (link)

Is there a point to this?

The only thing we need to learn from 2010 is that the Republican organization in Delaware is moribund and in need of an infusion of hard working conservatives who will find a strong candidate and work for victory, rather than playing out a soap opera of epic failure.

Read Cold Warrior’s diaries, follow his lead and act!

You are right but some haven't caught up with you yet

Pete (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 2:38PM EDT (link)

Your analysis is correct, but amazingly the “moribund” Republican organization of which you speak is desperately trying to DISTRACT from the conclusion that you offer, and trying to prevent the reform that you recommend.

So while it is obvious to you and me and to most people, sadly it is not obvious to everyone.

No matter who the candidates may be in the future, your call for improvement is correct. It matters to all candidates in all future elections.

But the very people who need to be reformed are desperately throwing dust in the air and trying to point “Look over there! A UFO!” to avoid the conclusion that you present.

The Republican Party of Delaware does not want to be reformed…. and they are trying to escape it.

The longer they refuse to acknowledge the systemic weaknesses in the DEGOP that impact all candidates in all future elections, the longer it will be before those changes take place.

jonmoseley/grassroots/Pete - please take note...

HappyBunny Tuesday, December 28th at 3:10PM EDT (link)

You are a loser.
Your candidate is a loser – she’s three for three in state wide elections.

You really need to crawl off and die. Think of it as a public service.

Hatemonging liberal

Juggernaut (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 5:13PM EDT (link)

Hate is so liberal, “crawl off and die” is over the top. You really need to get a life.

But what do you know, you voted for a marxist thug aka Obama. Go buy a carbon credit so you can make more poor people dependant on government.

Chris Coons is a tool of marxism and he’s just a country employee. In comparison, both candidates were near equal because being liberal is a handicap, being a marxist is proof Coons isn’t capable of rational thought based on true economic theory.

Liberal translation, Coons is a one termer.

RomneyCare is Right Wing Socialism –

Romney “severely conservative”? That’s the opposite of a “compassionate conservative” like George W. Bush? Actually, we know what a severely conservative is. It’s Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney is no Dick Cheney.

 

BLAM

Erick Erickson (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 6:17PM EDT (link)

Sorry Charlie, but we do require a certain amount of common decency and respect on the site.

Telling *anyone* to “crawl off and die” violates even the basic standards of decency on the site.

Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?

 
 
 

Delaware Republican Need to Rorganize Not Obsess On The Past

Donald Ayotte (Diary) Saturday, January 1st at 7:08AM EDT (link)

reddog53
You make a good point. As a Delaware Committeeman, I believe we are wasting valuable time quibbling over the past. Many mistakes were made but the election is OVER.
We as a committee are hard at work attempting to bring the republicans of northern and southern Delaware together. The ideological differences between the two factions are many and bitter emotions exist between the two.
I will not post anything more about O’Donnell’s past mistakes. I want to expend all my energy toward the 2012 elections and winning.

 
 

Well gosh, it's Stupid. Back for more video.

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 2:02PM EDT (link)

And trust me jerk, there’s more where that came from.

Change

He's Cute.

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 2:09PM EDT (link)

Like Harry Reid’s Pet.

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

 

He thinks we will forget, and this will be new.

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 2:09PM EDT (link)

grassroots1773/Mosely/Pete is still running the O’Donnel campaign.
We know the election is over, but ya gotta give credit to one who will not quit.

Hey, there’s another windmill over there, homer.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

You Gotta' Admire The Fighting Spirit!

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 2:10PM EDT (link)

Here he is pitching the 12th Inning of a 9-Inning Game.

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

 

here we go

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 7:50PM EDT (link)

there was nothing wrong with the candidate, everything wrong with the party from the DE chair to Rove.

I’m from MI, and it would be stupid to take a shot at a squirrel with a rifle suited to hunting large game like deer.

This has been discussed at length.

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 7:58PM EDT (link)

Your opinion came up a very, very distant second.

That, combined with the fact that the idiot that posted this piece of cat box refuse is a troll who was part of O’Donnell’s losing campaign.

Change

ah, the classic, "the debate is over" statement

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:01PM EDT (link)

“This has been discussed at length.” And we all agree now, because we do not accept dissenters, and everyone is thinking the same now.

Wow, solid individualism.

To rehash the argument, Jennifer:

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:31PM EDT (link)

1) Christine O’Donnell was a treasure trove for stupid, ignorant statements. Not weird or conservative, stupid. Claiming to be a witch, or that rats with human brains were running around were not extreme, they were stupid. She made these statements as part of her (witting or unwitting) role as the “brainless Christian” on Bill Maher’s show and others.

2) She hadn’t held a real job in years, and was still relying on her undergrad degree to show that she was accomplished. She and her supporters couldn’t point to concrete accomplishments in the few jobs that she had held in the past.

3) She had a history of ethical violations and deviations from traditional conservative thought: calling conservatism “sexist”

4) On top of all of that, there isn’t much evidence that she was fiscally conservative before the Tea Parties, despite having a long “career” as a talking head. There were also statements from her past defending Bush’s awful record on those issues, casting some doubt on her credibility on such issues.

That’s just off the top of my head. Now, I’ve articulated my great esteem for that august body, Congress, and those who serve in it: suffice it to say, O’Donnell would have fit right in. That’s just the point, though: I don’t want to send my money to a campaign to elect someone who’ll fit in. If I’d wanted that, I would have sent money to Castle or Coons. I want to send my money and support to candidates who a) will win and b) are principled, ethical, and serious conservatives (intelligence is optional). Electing people based on their sparkling personality in contrast to their records has gotten the human race Obama on its good days, and third-world dictators on its bad ones.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

You are repeating what Bill Maher

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:49PM EDT (link)

or someone else with no information would say. Hey, it’s the information superhighway, look it up. She did not say she was a witch, she did not say that rats with human brains were running around. You are cow-towing to the liberal media and their ability to affect influence on the populace. For shame. The fact is, I do not have to read past your number one to realize you are taking what they say and deciding what to do with it, instead of finding out for yourself. yikes! Research is good, try it.

Your number 2 is embarrassing because you are nitpicking since you have not done your homework on what she has said. She won the primary against a huge lib. remember? What has Mike Castle accomplished in his career? I’ll tell you. He accomplished the whitewash of the Republican Party and is now very interested in being a part of “no labels.” Great. Love me some lib Republicans.

Most conservative men i know are not sexist. But the ones I run into online sure are.

I have defended Bush in the past when compared to the liberals. Perhaps you did not check to see the context of the comment? Possible. You didn’t seem to want to check the internets on the first bulletpoint.

forgive me, but,
“I don’t want to send my money to a campaign to elect someone who’ll fit in…. I want to send my money and support to candidates who a) will win and b) are principled, ethical, and serious conservatives (intelligence is optional).”

You are right! Intelligence is optional!

"Do more research" is not an answer

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:32PM EDT (link)

It’s barely an insult. It certainly isn’t an answer that will be accepted by general election voters (in O’Donnell’s case, it clearly was not). Since you have no interest in pointing out exactly what was wrong with those characterizations, I’ll assume you had nothing substantive to say about them.

The second point isn’t a mis-characterization of what she said, it’s a fact. She hasn’t had a job in some time, hasn’t been able to point out her accomplishments in her jobs, and lists her undergrad degree in communication on her site as an “accomplishment”. When you’re 40 years old (or in Obama’s case, 50ish) and you still have to pad your resume with your undergrad degree in a non-rigorous course of study, you’re not accomplished. I don’t give a frak what Castle did or did not do: I wasn’t going to donate money to him in the first place.

If this is the best you and other O’Donnell acolytes can do in refuting concerns about her record (and if that’s the best tone you could muster), it’s no surprise that she crashed and burned three times.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

You are clearly a deranged sexist, and likely a closet statist

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:38PM EDT (link)

that you cannot see the greatness of O’Donnel as a candidate is your problem, and not anyone elses.

She is just like Reagan. Reagan lost several presidential attempts before he was victorious. Reagan had an unconventional resume pre-politics. Reagan appeared on TV shows. Reagan attracted a lot of attention, and the hatred of liberals.

O’Donnell should pass on running for senate and just jump in to the 2012 Presidential primaries. We need someone who is not an elitist to run for President. Someone who is one of us—a person who understands the pains and stresses of people struggling in this economy.

Liberals clearly hate her. They are showing us who they fear. COD in 2012!!!!!!

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

How did you know, JSob?

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:58PM EDT (link)

All these years on RS, only to have you and Jennifer expose me as the Reagan-hating, woman-hating Neanderthal that I am! You’re right: the only way that I could hate Reagan more were if he were a woman.

(For clarity’s sake, I know you’re kidding, and the above was sarcasm. Wish I could say the same about Jennifer.)

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

I never said any of that

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:21PM EDT (link)

and the fact that you are losing this argument is clear.

"Most conservative men i know are not sexist. But the ones I run into online sure are."

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:28PM EDT (link)

Explain that, then.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

Just another throw away line--at least she didn't include it in a federal lawsuit against a conservative think tank

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:02AM EDT (link)

Nothing like equating conservatism with sexism and then demanding that conservatives support you to get the blood flowing.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

Do you mean to say that

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:07AM EDT (link)

Jennifer is posting rashly and without thought or critical examination of the internal consistency or factual nature of her words or advocacy for her candidate? Perish the thought! Heh.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 

you said

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:58AM EDT (link)

3) She had a history of ethical violations and deviations from traditional conservative thought: calling conservatism “sexist”

I commented:
“Most conservative men i know are not sexist. But the ones I run into online sure are.”

Just a factual observation. It’s what I see, my husband, kids, dad, family, not sexist. Many I argue with online are. That’s all.

Who are accusing of sexist comments?

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:00AM EDT (link)

Which fan of Margaret Thatcher are you accusing of making sexist comments online?

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

wow, read the thread

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:55AM EDT (link)

I don’t know what you are talking about, you seem to want to pin me with calling you sexist, I did not.

 
 
 
 
 

AND, you're a Tucsondweller.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:13AM EDT (link)

Likely the cause of the rest of your disturbance.

Change

Why else would I live in Grijalva's district? nt

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:14AM EDT (link)

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 
 
 

It's not an answer it's a demand

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:19PM EDT (link)

If you want to opine about human opinion, which is quintessentially the American vote, you must do your background work. According to your arguments, you are only going on what the media has said. Can we agree that the media is interested (especially in Biden’s state) only in electing an Obama clone? In fact, I believe that is what Obama said about Coons, or something similar.

I’m not trying to insult you, I’m trying to reach your thought process. So far, it’s been shut down so many times, I have no alternative but to become a broken record.

There has been times in my life when I did not have a job, There has been times in my life when I could not pay my bills on time. Everyone ends up with these problems, except very few. To continue to bang that drum, after all that has been done to win the House, is just very short-sighted and shoots too low at the target.

 
 
 
 
 
 

In my neck of the woods,

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 8:38PM EDT (link)

most deer rifles are 22′s.
Perfect for the game I shoot at.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

LOL!

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 8:58PM EDT (link)

Most deer rifles are 22′s? Only if you are violating,

Or if your accurate.

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:07PM EDT (link)

ntntntntnt

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

true, but you said most

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:13PM EDT (link)

and every. not true. It is not true that most deer rifles are 22′s and every deer hunter shoots at squirrels and rabbits and such.

I hunt with a 30/30, and I have hunted with a .22-250 and a 270 and my dad hunts with a 30.06. none of which I would waste a bullet on a rabbit or squirrel.

You are probably right.

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:28PM EDT (link)

In our small town, almost all the boys, at the age of twelve, were given .22 deer rifles for Christmass. Some got .24′s, but mostly it was .22″s
Its what we grew up with, it’s what we used.
It’s what we still use.

A couple of the show off dads would get thier kids 30-30′s.
They were a little big, but the .22′s were just right for us.

So although it may be true in my little clique,
it probably is different in the big outside world.
I concede the point.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

okeydokey

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:52PM EDT (link)

for the record, god is great, and guns are good. -Lynyrd Skynyrd

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Hey Neil!! It's another freaking sock puppet for JonMoseley/etal...

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 3:16PM EDT (link)

“reagantradition” – this would be the very first recommendation any of this jackasses diaries have managed and it’s by a RS member who has been with us – when I checked – a grand total of 29 seconds.

Moseley etal, you are a pathetic piece of crap.

Change

It's the same account

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 4:27PM EDT (link)

This is the same grassroots1773 account. He just changed his display name because he got tired of us calling him Jon Moseley.

Because apparently we weren’t supposed to call him Jon Moseley even though he posted things written by Jon Moseley.

RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

 

O'Donnell was a good candidate

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 7:53PM EDT (link)

hope she fights again soon, but unfortunately, she’s getting “Palined” by the libs right now. Oh, if only some of the commenters on this site could withstand the pain from the VP on down.

Ummm, no.

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 8:06PM EDT (link)

Not in any universe. Oh, and you might want to take a look at the latest rock to roll over, the FEC is investigating her for misusing campaign contributions.

BALTIMORE — Federal authorities have opened a criminal investigation of Delaware Republican Christine O’Donnell to determine if the former Senate candidate broke the law by using campaign money to pay personal expenses, according to a person with knowledge of the investigation.

She had $7.3MM to win this race, a record in DE, and lost by nearly 30. It was her third statewide campaign and she couldn’t get out of her own way, and this loss makes her three for three.

In 2008 she was the nominee of the party and had the complete support of the state GOP. Did they shaft her this time out? Yeah. But it’s not like the players were unknown to her. She mismanaged her relationship with Party, she mismanaged her media “I am not a witch!”, she mismanaged every part of the campaign.

If she runs again, she’ll lose again.

Change

and if the claims are brought

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 8:56PM EDT (link)

by biden’s circle, and she is right that they did nothing wrong, you will still hold to your beliefs because that is all they are. Faith in the idea that ordinary Americans cannot win, and the biased media is our master. If only I could hear how coons did anything wrong in his campaign. Like, saying that separation of church and state is in the constitution. Respectfully, your premise is way out of whack.

If you're waiting for the media

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:35PM EDT (link)

to start harassing progressives with as much vigor as it does conservatives, you’ll be waiting for a long time, sister. Campaigns and candidacies cannot be won by whining about what we wish the world was like; they are won based on overcoming obstacles in our way (fair or not). Based on three campaigns’ worth of evidence, and statements after her last lost blaming everyone but herself, O’Donnell will most likely not be able to overcome these obstacles on her fourth run-around.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

I'll stick with fair

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:57PM EDT (link)

and the triumph of the human spirit and hard-working, God-fearing Americans. You do what you want, and we will see who wins. Provided, Republicans do not decide to interfere in a general against their own primary winner ever again.

You and people who argue like you do, don’t seem to be interested in convincing folks, just complaining about numbers and pissing on the people who are least at fault.

 
 
 

Well MBecker

PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:10PM EDT (link)

you got another loud mouth stalker chasing you who does little but open mouth, repeat constantly, then think themselves clever. I would join you in showing her just how ignorant she sounds, but since I made Kyle cry today, I will leave this one to you.

give it a try, no reason to bow out

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:15PM EDT (link)

make me cry.

 

hey powertothepeople..

speciallist (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:35PM EDT (link)

you have earned the coveted title of ‘Biggest Jackass on Redstate’

I’m sure you’re Very proud of yourself

Well thank you

PowerToThePeople (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 8:06AM EDT (link)

accolades and recognition, all a man could ask for.

 
 
 
 
 
 

I won't call this the worst diary series in the history of RedState

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 4:41PM EDT (link)

But that’s only because we get spambots.

RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

To be fair, Neil

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 4:48PM EDT (link)

At least he respects site guidelines enough to not post his graphic fanfic involving himself and a certain Senatorial candidate for DE…

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

So far anyway. (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 4:51PM EDT (link)

RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

 
 
 

PS

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 4:49PM EDT (link)

This diary confirms that Christine O’Donnell was an unmitigated disaster that was thoroughly rejected by her state.

Again.

She failed to motivate Republicans, she energized Democrats and left-leaning Independents with her crazy babbling about witchcraft and other stupid stuff.

She was a horrible candidate.

RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

no,

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 7:57PM EDT (link)

it means her candidacy came damn close to winning and would have done better minus moron rove and moron republican chair of delaware. Influencing the electorate counts, and she woke up a lot of people, and won the primary. It was the Republicans that did her in.

Do you want to take this Neil

PowerToThePeople (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:12PM EDT (link)

or shall I. From reading her nonsense, a monkey would be able to dissect her nonsense.

you going to scratch your a$$,

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:17PM EDT (link)

or throw crap. that’s what monkeys do.

Oh, so you're a monkey. Got it. Thanks. nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:29PM EDT (link)
 
 
 

Doesn't it have to be closer than 10% to be "damn close"?

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:01PM EDT (link)

nt

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 

Republican voters won the primary for her, and supported her with 83% of the R vote

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:26PM EDT (link)

COD lost because she couldn’t peel off democrats and she lost the independent vote.

Thats what the numbers show. Republican turnout was pretty good, and the R’s voted for COD. There simply where not enough COD Democrats or COD independents. The outcome was disappointing, but hardly surprising.

Merely proclaiming youself the most conservative candidate does not result in victory in a state like Delaware. She would have been better off making all of her TV ads about taxes, and skipped the I am not a witch, I am one of you, etc stuff. If she had made the election about taxes and stuck to that message, I think she could have one.

Anyway, if people in Del. want to nominate her again, they are more than welcome to do it. I frankly hope that a better candidate steps forward.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 

No actually you're completely wrong

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:32PM EDT (link)

The fact that the voter profile in state was so close to the registration profile shows that Christine O’Donnell’s campaign single handedly bucked the national trend of Republican motivation and Democrat depression.

Further, the fact that she only split independents shows she lagged far behind other Republicans.

Her campaign was a miserable failure by any useful measure. Bad candidate, bad staff, bad campaign.

RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

see, here's the problem

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:08AM EDT (link)

you are looking at numbers and not figuring in the human factor.

If people can see what is happening to their country, they can be persuaded to vote accordingly. My point is, as it always has been that the interference by the Republican party hurt a Republican win, and has made it more difficult for conservative activists in that state.

She was not a bad candidate, not at all, I found very little to disagree with her on. I agree the staff sucked, but not a good reason for the republican party to dump a load on her, and as far as the campaign went, I would have done things differently. But, the fact is, lots of things could have been different if only the Republican party had been behind her.

The election is over.

gekster (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:12AM EDT (link)

But you wont let it go.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

it is part of the history of the revolution

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:59AM EDT (link)

it interests me, and it cannot be thrown aside. The Party is more at fault in the case of O’Donnell v. Coons.

Uhh, what revolution.

gekster (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 2:03AM EDT (link)

You are skewing off on different tangents now.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 
 

She was not a bad candidate, not at all, I found very little to disagree with her on."

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:26AM EDT (link)

This pretty much encapsulates the dispute.

You would likely say the same thing about my father. You would have little to disagree with him on. However, my father would be a terrible candidate for Senator (even worse than MBecker). It takes more than good policy positions coming out of someone’s mouth to make them a non-weak candidate.

I can think of a lot of people who are good conservatives who would be terrible candidates. In fairness to COD, my father would be far worse than she is but that is another story.

The strength of a candidate depends on more than the frequency of the candidate’s disagreements with Jennifer Kuznicki. Can you look outside of yourself and acknowledge the possibility that what I say is true.

COD is a sufficiently weak candidate that if I lived in DE, I would personally run against her next time around. She is sufficiently weak that a “I am not COD conservative” could make a decent go of it. DE is a small state, and with a savy Internet operation—-a good novice candidate could make a go of it.

I am hoping someone in DE answers the call to run and hopefully serve.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

why did Levin support O'Donnell?

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 2:02AM EDT (link)

and why did Rush raise a million for her? and why did Hannity interview her? and why do conservatives push her?

Must be because everyone is just not as smart as you hey?

 
 
 
 
 
 

A Republican candidate in Delaware needs to do better than split the independent vote

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 4:52PM EDT (link)

Is it a news flash to anyone that there are more Democrats in Delaware than Republans?

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

all democrats don't have to vote Democratic.

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 7:58PM EDT (link)

Y’all hear of Reagan?

You did mispeak.

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 8:50PM EDT (link)

Voting is “democratic”.
I find most Democrats are not democratic.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

no

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:03PM EDT (link)

most Democrats are not liberals. Liberals are not democratic.

Where did you get that from?

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:12PM EDT (link)

I said nothing of liberals.
Are you reading things that arn’t there?

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

sorry, I'll slow down

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:23PM EDT (link)

you said, “Is it a news flash to anyone that there are more Democrats in Delaware than Republans?”

I said, “all democrats don’t have to vote Democratic.”

which meant that if you appeal to the people who call themselves democrats but are not liberal and do not like the way the Obama administration is diminishing America in every respect, you can win their vote.

Please reread, I did not say....

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:35PM EDT (link)

“Is it a news flash to anyone that there are more Democrats in Delaware than Republans?”
I just pointed out that most Democrats are not democratic.

Democrat = a person
democratic = a process
Maybe you should sloww down some more.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

you are just mad because

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 9:59PM EDT (link)

I trounced your argument.

One, I'm not mad....

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:05PM EDT (link)

And two, I did not say what you attribute me to have said.
And you didn’t trounce anything.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

sure.

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:36PM EDT (link)

you still have the erroneous tagline.

I'll live with it deer.

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:53PM EDT (link)

It’s my problem.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 

I think you hit on something here gekster.

TNJim (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:40PM EDT (link)

You said upthread:

Democrat = a person
democratic = a process

Perhaps that is why most liberal Democrats prefer the term Democratic party. They see the party as a process to lead the nation into statism. It kinda goes along with them trying to rebrand themselves every so often, such as going from “liberal” to “progressive” when they thought “liberal” was falling out of favor.

Like you, I grew up learning the names of the 2 parties as Democrat and Republican. I don’t really remember the other party being referred to as Democratic until the Clinton years.

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

Yes. This "Democrat" administration has been anything but "democratic".

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:58PM EDT (link)

From “I won” to locking Republicans out of policy meetings,
blocking Republicans from offering amendments,
to a whole list of “undemocratic” things.
That was the concept I was trying to get to the poor deer.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

In the New England area, most democrats are liberals

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:19PM EDT (link)

There are states in the New England area where 50% of the general population (Democrats, Republicans, Independents, etc) self-identify as “liberal.” The percentage within the democratic party in those areas is far higher.

The overall percentgage for the country for self-identified liberals is around 20%.

Delaware isn’t Vermont, but it is an uphill battle for any Republican, much less a conservative.

An R running in Delaware needs to win the battle for independent voters in order to win. COD actually lost the battle for independent voters (“about equal” is less than 50%). Nothing else really needs to be said. Losing the independent voters was the most critical fact for COD in 2010, just as losing the independent voters was the most critical fact for the House victories in 2010.

If you want to say that COD is a great candidate who should run again, the more power to you. We can’t win every race, and maybe she can once again play the heroic role that she played in 2010.

I myself prefer conservative candidates who don’t link conservative beliefs to gender discrimination, but if you prefer candidates who badmouth conservatism when it suits them, it is your right to do so.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

she won the primary

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:40PM EDT (link)

she lost the general, no thanks to the chair of the republican party in DE and rove. If they would have kept their mouths shut, and allowed her to make her case, things could have been different.

Southern Delaware is different from northern Delaware.

The position of Senater involves winning the entire state, not a portion of the state

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:48PM EDT (link)

Maybe she should run for state senator first, so she doesn’t need to represent both North and South Delaware?

Jimmy Carter won Georgia in 1980. Mondale won Minnesota in 1984.

Neither Carter nor Mondale lost by 16% percent of the applicable electorate.

If 16% (the margin of O’Donnell’s defeat was 16.6%) is damn close, there was no Reagan landslide . . . and landslides occur very infrequently.

There is no way that 16.6% of DE cares what Karl Rove said on Fox News. Bush was crushed in Delaware. The idea that Delaware voters are influenced by Rove is silly. Rove is Darth Vader to those in NE.

P.S. Northern Delaware and southern Delaware are going to be different in 2012, 2014, and every election for the next decade.

What is COD’s plan for dealing with that basic fact?

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

You are missing the point

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:54PM EDT (link)

Are you interested at all in convincing people to vote Republican? Or, are you just interested in playing with a calculator?

Conservatism wins. The game is not in numbers, because the numbers game only works with inanimate objects, or mannequins. People can be persuaded, or do you dispute that fact too?

I will never forgive Rove for stepping in on Delaware and swaying opinion. I will never forgive the stupid chair of the Republican Party in Delaware for trying to sway opinion in the general.. The General!!!

Nuts.

So long as there are votes to be counted, there are numbers

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:03PM EDT (link)

O’Donnell’s didn’t tally up the last three times she tried, and they probably won’t the next time she takes a whack at the pinata. Find a better conservative candidate and deal with it.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

but this go-round was different

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:35PM EDT (link)

as will be every go-round hence. Obama had that affect on America. You kinda got a hate-on for her don’t you? I have to admit, I read and listened to her, and drew my opinion. I wonder if you didn’t listen to everyone else and then form your opinion?

Just think if we all were able to inform people of her message, rather than get the filtered version and jump to conclusions.

Are you kidding me?

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:54PM EDT (link)

2010 was the best year for Republicans since ’94, and you think it’s just another go-around? There were plenty of Republicans who did great with their filtered messages in spite of the media.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

what part of

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:12AM EDT (link)

“this go-round was different” and “as will be every go-round hence” do you not understand? You wrote, “you think it’s just another go-around?”

??

Now you're just babbling.

gekster (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:14AM EDT (link)

Give it up.
For all of us.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 

Wow, you're totally right

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:25AM EDT (link)

Hey everyone, let’s keep funding O’Donnell’s campaigns, because every time will be different! Maybe she’ll make it on her 50th go-around.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 
 

Nobody "hates" CO'D. She was broadly supported here

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:06AM EDT (link)

and I would suspect she got a fair amount of money from Redstaters. We all – me too – really wanted her to win. She didn’t. And it became very evident very early that she simply wasn’t up to the task of running for office. Pretty much any office, but especially one where she was going to get national exposure.

She was an incompetent candidate. Could not deal with the DE GOP, who she knew very well, they supported her in ’08 so she knew the players and the playing field. She was a disaster on camera with any reporter. And she was clueless when it comes to managing a campaign. Her former campaign manager either wrote this diary or is a fellow traveler of the idiot who did and makes a complete fool of himself here on a regular basis (kind of like you’re doing). Heck, she couldn’t be bothered to make sure that the last hope for a dead campaign – a half hour infomercial – actually ran. And she had a million dollars left over.

And let’s not forget, the jerk she ran against should have been easy pickings because he was handpicked by DE Dems when they were sure Castle would be the Republican candidate and a landslide shoo in. This was a race for us to lose and we were up to the task, thanks to CO’D.

Change

Castle is now part of the "no labels" deal

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:52AM EDT (link)

and he never was a Republican, stop acting as though he was. Have we all misunderstood what happened this year? Are we all clueless as to how America feels right now? This is an elitist versus ordinary American argument. You would have fought for Castle. I would never have fought for Castle. O’Donnell won the primary, so, in effect, the attitude you take is the same one that hurt the Republican cause.

Your attitude is in stark contrast with the tea party movement that is defining the Republican party (whether they like it or not.) Saving the country is what is important, this skirmish is very educational.

If you aren’t interested in saving the country, just say so.

geebus..

speciallist (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:59AM EDT (link)

you’re not even listening…

good luck

you know and I know

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:14AM EDT (link)

that candidates that make it through the primary get help. Big help. She did not, she got the opposite.

So we all imagined

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:21AM EDT (link)

The record-breaking dollar donation figure that she got?

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

She got national media, she got Sarah Palin, she got Rush, Hannity, and Levin

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:31AM EDT (link)

how much more help could she possibly get?

I really wish I lived in DE. I see an opportunity here for a serious conservative candidate to be an alternative to COD. I think it is eminently doable. Please . . .someone from RS. . . please run.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 
 
 
 

Regardless of Castle...

gekster (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:04AM EDT (link)

Christine ran a BAD campaign,
she had BAD handlers,
she said BAD things in interviews.
You have had this laid out in front of you,
the same as grassroote1773/ John Mosely/Pete.
And just like him, you are mule stuborn about it.
And the first thing about recovery,
you have to admit you have a problem.
And I am trying to say this in the nicest way.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

she got help

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:19AM EDT (link)

that the Republican party would not give her, and they went further to destroy her in the general. She got help from Limbaugh, and Levin, and Hannity, but the Republican party would not listen. The Party did her in, you know it and i know it, and yet, you continue to say that she was a bad candidate. She was a great candidate. you refuse to listen to her side. No idea why. But you are wrong.

What stupid things? Be sure they are factual, and not the media biased malarkey.

You are the one with the problem. Your blinders should only go on when you sleep. Try that next time.

If you had been around here for the primary, and general,

gekster (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:25AM EDT (link)

then you would know I was one of her biggest supporters on this site.
There were plenty of RS supporters for her.
I railed against Castle.
I helped to raise money.
I gave it all I had to give.
There is just one thing.
She lost.
She made tacticle errors.
She couldn’t cut the mustard.
She just LOST.
I got over it.
The question is, can you.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 
 

The fact that Castle bites doesn't make COD a strong candidate

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:06AM EDT (link)

Apparently DE didn’t “feel” the way that you did because COD lost by over 16%.

Nobody here was going to fight for Castle.

Why can’t COD fans simply acknowledge that COD is no Palin. She isn’t. There are plenty of people out there who are good conservatives who would make lousy candidates. MBecker has self-identified in that category, as do I.

Your logic seems to be:

Castle was a rat (true)
America is pissed off (true)
COD is a great candidate

The first two facts doesn’t make the third statement true.

A pissed off DE voted for a bearded Marxist over COD by over 16%.

COD lost independents.

Even if COD received every single R vote, she still would have lost by 10%.

10% is a landslide.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

she was strong enough to win

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:23AM EDT (link)

over castle.

And Ron Paul won all those straw polls!!! nt

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:27AM EDT (link)

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 

A 10+% loss to a bearded marxist in a tea party year is a drubbing

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:30AM EDT (link)

Despite all of the “feelings” that you write about, she was crushed in a general election.

Victory in a primary is not victory in a general election.

I agree that COD could very well win the next DE primary. I am concerned that she will once again prove to be a weak general election candidate.

Is your goal to win primaries or to send conservatives to DC?

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 
 
 

The General said it best...

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:38AM EDT (link)

You just don’t have any touch with reality.

Change

Somehow General Honore's video didn't get posted.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:57AM EDT (link)

It’s very apt.

Change

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

If an R can't win the majority of independents in Delaware, they aren't going to win

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:03PM EDT (link)

The D’s outnumber the R’s. So the basic math of Delaware is that the R has to win the I’s to win the election.

Reagan was great at wining the I’s. COD . . . not so much.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

again, she could have

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:42PM EDT (link)

if the morons who can’t shut up like rove and the chair of the Republican party of DE would have stayed out of the general.

They helped Coons win, no doubt in my mind.

I agree that they helped Coons win, but they didn't cause a 16.6% margin

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:51PM EDT (link)

Rove and the DE party chair simply don’t have that kind of influence.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

lets see,

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:03PM EDT (link)

you do not dispute that republicans voted 18% for Coons, then you say that Rove and the chair did not cause a 16.6% margin. Good luck with that.

Add on top of that, all the naysayers making fun of her right along with the media about the witch thing, the peeping thing, the fiscal thing, the separation of church and state thing, and you have an e-campaign against a conservative. Well done.

If you don’t think the Republican Party added to her demise, when they could have taken a position that the democrats don’t seem to have a problem with..it’s called loyalty.

Any candidate is lucky to get that level of support

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:08PM EDT (link)

from Republicans: there is no candidate, ever, who has won 100% of his party.

And so long as you have free speech and dumb statements on the part of candidates, you’re going to have the problem of e-campaigns. Perhaps candidates who don’t have so many personal issues would have an easier time of it?

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

the dumb, uninformed statements by the "architect"

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:37PM EDT (link)

hurt her chances, and you keep ignoring it.

 

personal issues

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:39PM EDT (link)

makes me laugh, name me a democrat who does not have personal issues, not only that, but Bush used to be an alcoholic, somehow, he got past that. Are you very sure your rendition of who Christine is, is entirely accurate?

Bush was an alcoholic. Reagan was divorced.

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:54PM EDT (link)

Nixon had Nixon. Ike had a little fling in Europe. Kennedy had a zipper that didn’t work. Johnson had more issues than all of the above. Carter was a racist hick with drunk brother. Clinton had more women issues than the rest of the state of Arkansas combined. Obama’s best friends are domestic terrorists.

Note that all of those folks, with possible exception of Ike, had major issues that were huge moral/judgment issues that would take mortal men or women out of the running in an election for dog catcher. All faced down the issues – of which they and the voters knew were real – and yet they won the Presidency.

O’Donnell was nothing more than the butt of some jokes and she couldn’t overcome it. Bottom line, yeah the state party should have done more, but a united state party with Karl Rove saying nice things and raising even more money for her would not change one thing. When she went on TV and got eaten alive by reporters that she had to know would be loaded for bear and hostile toward her, that was on her. She is incompetent as a candidate and, she is done in the political world for a very, very, very long time at best. She is a joke in DE and she won’t get Tea Party money next time out.

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It Appears That You Also Have A Problem

wonkish1 (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:43PM EDT (link)

With basic math, too.

If Republicans make up 30%(just a guess I don’t know the exact number) of the electorate and 18% vote for the Dem that isn’t 18% of voters, dummy. That is 18% times 30% = 5.4% of the electorate.

I would suggest you make sure that you don’t make a fool of yourself when you making a case.

“First you win the argument, then you win the vote.” Margaret Thatcher

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Oh Wow

wonkish1 (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:49PM EDT (link)

My Guess for GOP ID was spot on. I forgot that the number was at the top. Nice!!

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Loyalty?

captkirc Thursday, December 30th at 2:04AM EDT (link)

Would that be the same loyalty that Christine showed to the Republican Party of Delaware in 2006 when she mounted a failed general election write-in campaign after finishing 3rd in the Primary?

Would that be the same loyalty she showed to her campaign workers and vendors when she didn’t pay them for their time and services during her failed 2008 run?

Would that be the same loyalty she showed to the many donors who contributed to her failed 2010 Senate campaign when she pocketed close to a million dollars in campaign contributions all the while complaining about not receiving enough financial backing from the national party?

 
 

16% is pretty bad

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:10PM EDT (link)

Your typical candidate in a typical poll loses 5-10% of his party to the other side.

16% is a pretty bad loss, and shows a failure to win over much of anybody.

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Oh, and O'Donnell lost the democratic voters as well

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:06PM EDT (link)

so the Reagan anology is misplaced.

COD lost almost 20% of the R vote, and she lost the majority of independent voters. She didn’t get much in terms of D votes.

Heard of Reagan? Yes, the guy who never lost one general election? Yup, quite familiar. The guy who won independents? Yup, that guy. The guy who pulled D voters? Yup. The guy who didn’t whine or complain about a lame GOP apparatus? Yup, the same person.

Ever hear of Yogi Berra?

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

He didn't complain

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:43PM EDT (link)

because they didn’t run interference against him.

There were numerous "stop Reagan" efforts

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:49PM EDT (link)

in 76 as well as 80. Yes, the GOP was scared of RR.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

your point is?

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:05PM EDT (link)

he overcame them, COD could not because you, and many others have not learned the lessons of history.

He overcame them because Ronald Reagan was a

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:38PM EDT (link)

very competent, professional and accomplished politician. He knew how to get people who didn’t agree with him to work with him. CO’D is an incompetent, three time loser who can’t open her mouth without sticking her foot in it all the way up to her knee.

Lesson to be learned? Absolutely. Recruit competent candidates. That didn’t happen in DE.

Change

now we are asking two different things

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:42PM EDT (link)

I’m suggesting that a conservative woman from Delaware can win a Senate seat, and you are suggesting she become President. these new people in the political process just really muss things up, eh?

A conservative woman from DE can win a Senate seat

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:05AM EDT (link)

its just that O’Donnell can’t.

The comment you are referring too is pure sarcasm. COD for President of Earth? COD . . . the next Joan of Arc!

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

No, O'Donnell didn't because

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:25AM EDT (link)

of people who would not tow the line. That’s the point. I understand sarcasm, what you displayed is ignorance.

So you are blaming the DE voters

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:34AM EDT (link)

Its a great campaign slogan:

Tow the line . . . this time . . or else
You Republicans out there, you owe me your vote
I almost won one of the counties
I almost won half of the independents

Can you at least in theory, acknowledge that a candidate could be both conservative and a weak candidate? Because if you can’t acknowledge that in theory, there isn’t much point in this.

You are correct that the GOP apparatus in DE should be burnt to the ground. Same can be said for Alaska. However, Miller and O’Donnell both lost. Do I think Republican voters who didn’t vote R made a mistake? Damn right I think they made a mistake. However, voters have every right to vote how they want. If COD lost 17% of the R vote, maybe that 17% thought they were part of that amorphous “establishment” that she kept talking about.

The better question to ask is how would she gain ground in a future election? Her name recognition has to be pretty high at this point. It might be a good idea for her to go for a job other than US Senator for a while and build up a reputation for competence and leadership.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

JSobieski, Perfectly Put

wonkish1 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:40AM EDT (link)

“Can you at least in theory, acknowledge that a candidate could be both conservative and a weak candidate?”

I think we can hang the whole damn argument on this one question. Thanks for finally getting to the core of this mess.

“First you win the argument, then you win the vote.” Margaret Thatcher

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5's

speciallist (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:45AM EDT (link)

nice job jsob

An alternative mathematical formulation would be

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:14AM EDT (link)

Can you admit that 18% Republicant defections means that Republican defections were responsible for no more than 6% of the general election vote given that 18% of 30% (the Republican subset of general election voters) is less than 6%?

Can you admit that a 16.6% margin of victory minus the 6% for Republican defections means that COD would have lost by more than 10% even if each and every Republican voted for her?

Can you admit that 10+% loss in a tea party year is a serious drubbing?

Unfortunately, I don’t think these will be effective—too much math.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

If Rove

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:37AM EDT (link)

and the chair had defended her, all the math you figured out would have been different.

Do you really think

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:44AM EDT (link)

that 1 out of 6 voters in DE are brainwashed lemmings hanging on every gilded word that comes from the mouth of Rove or Tom Ross before they go to vote?

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

do you really think that

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 2:09AM EDT (link)

the media play after stupid opened his mouth did not sway voters?

the numbers game only works in your favor if you first convince the voters. If you convince them that the candidate is not good, the numbers will go against the candidate.

Why does this not help you understand?

*stupid=Rove

Not really, no

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 2:20AM EDT (link)

Not in the large numbers that you posit. But then, I don’t think that telepathy and mind control are among the gifts that God has bestowed upon Karl Rove.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 

Do you think 1 in 6 voters in DE even know who Tom Ross is? I don't.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 2:18AM EDT (link)

And after having lived there, given the political makeup of the state (and the Republican Party) I doubt if one in six knows who Karl Rove is.

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She was not a weak candidate

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:34AM EDT (link)

You all keep saying that with no real examples. Factual examples. Without any help from her party, she had a tough time of it. but the focus is on the Party. At least that is my focus, and the fact that I watched her, and listened to her, and knew she was great, and Rush and Levin and Hannity climbed aboard. Or, don’t they matter?

What you all are saying is that you do not know what I know about her candidacy. Never mind what you think about how her campaign was run, which could have been helped if the Republican party had not run interference, you don’t know what she has ever said, or stood for, do you?

So in your view, losing by more than 16% is evidence of being a strong candidate?

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:40AM EDT (link)

If you want evidence, I would suggest the following is evidence:
(1) It was a big tea party election
(2) COD’s name recognition was far higher than a typical Senate challenger
(3) She lost the independent vote to Coons
(4) The GOP is sufficiently weak that it couldn’t stop her in the primary, but somehow became all powerful in the general
(5) She would have lost even if every R voted for her

In your mind, these facts point to a strong candidate?

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

Ah, facts...

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:45AM EDT (link)

Evidence of a depraved and sexist mind.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 

Geez, who was that guy who ran in Florida with no Gop support,

gekster (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:40AM EDT (link)

You know, the guy who won despite the Gop
establishment not giving him support.
Now what was that guys name.
Anybody know.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 
 

nope, you perried

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:27AM EDT (link)

or dodged, whatever it’s called, I said the Republican party should have towed the line, you pushed it on to the general populace.

Stop high-fiving yourself, you messed up.

Maybe an audio/visual will help

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:36AM EDT (link)

Guess who you are?

Hint: you’re not the one holding the football.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

glad you posted that

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:39AM EDT (link)

now I know not to take anything you say seriously.

 
 

You failed to answer the question

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:36AM EDT (link)

Both the basic question and then the more mathematical questions.

If that is a perry, I have 3 gold medals in sabre fencing.

It is a free country, people can high 5 whom they want.

Just as you are entitled to ignore the basic mathematical analysis of COD’s vote tally.

Just as you are entitled to call someone conservative who links conservativsm to sexism in a federal lawsuit.

Just as you are entitled to claim that if all Rs voted for COD, she would have won even though she still would have lost by more than 10%

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

good for you

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:41AM EDT (link)

Do you have a blackbelt in karate? Should I care? You still are dancing around the Party’s role in all of this.

The Party's role was irrelevant, the DE GOP is so weak, they couldn't even stop COD in the primary

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:44AM EDT (link)

Your big bad wolf has no claws and no teeth.

If the GOP couldn’t stop COD in the primary, how did they get so all powerful in the general election that COD was crushed in the general?

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

you wanted castle to win

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:52AM EDT (link)

for what purpose? castle sells off the country piece by piece, vote by vote.

I’ve already told you, the party left her hanging, rove made a big deal on tv, (called influencing the electorate) and the party chair made fun of her. It was all uncalled for. She was a great candidate, and she may have won. You don’t know, I don’t know, but the fact that republicans stepped in to defeat her in the general was wrong, wrong, wrong.

We did see that Castle was Coones with an R by his name.

gekster (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:56AM EDT (link)

Hence the support from us to defeat him.
After that, it was Christines to loose.
And she did.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Oh, and BTW, speaking of knowing something about "history"

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:41PM EDT (link)

you are obviously ignorant as a post. Reagan had more problems with Republicans than with Democrats. The Democrats just tried to stonewall him, give him some of what he wanted and get what they could in return. Republicans tried to destroy him.

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Yes, thank you

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:45PM EDT (link)

for making my point. Did Reagan run for Senate against a Marxist and have the chief of staff from the prior Republican administration denounce him during the general? When did Christine say anything that Reagan would not have agreed with? Did Reagan have to overcome his party chair during the general?

You're an idiot.

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:56PM EDT (link)

The only point you’ve got is on the top of your head.

Reagan worked with Republicans who didn’t like him and won them over. O’D didn’t. She’s incompetent as a candidate, three for three in statewide elections in a very small state. She’s done.

Change

A bit of respect.

roscopico (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:22AM EDT (link)

I agree with your analysis regarding Reagan.

Your insults are gratuitous, and unnecessary, It seems pretty lowbrow, and does anything but elevate the exchange, the cause, the site, the reader, the recipient, or you.

We should hold ourselves to a higher standard, thanks.

Im Himmel gibt’s kein Bier…

 

ok, nice respect there,

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:23AM EDT (link)

I’m not an idiot, and you have not made your case. She is not incompetent, your argument is though. Have you ever convinced anyone of anything in your life? Or are you the type that throws up his hands and goes for the popular sentiment because he has no real power?

You disrespect those that voted for her in the primary. You are the nitwit here.

 

OK let's ease up here

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:27AM EDT (link)

And I mean all around.

You’ve come into this thread with a combative attitude from the start, jennifer kuznicki, and even though I wish mbecker908 would ease up too, I need both of you to do it, if we’re going to settle back down.

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I am henceforth applying the Franz Rule to

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:36AM EDT (link)

JonMoseley’s little sister. Or alter ego. General Honore says it best. Although Monte Python works too.

Change

mbecker, I'd like to apologize.

roscopico (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:34AM EDT (link)

Personally, I couldn’t care less about CO’D, and maybe after this whole debacle the good people of DE might find it within themselves to field a good candidate. I am guilty of jumping on a comment thread, seeing insults thrown prior to wading through the 500 previous, and making a hasty judgment.

Any way one might look at it, CO’D was a disaster (though that seat comes up soon enough… Go, good people of DE: find a non-disastrous candidate!).

I apologize for saying anything since you seem to have been goaded.

Sorry.
Good night.

Im Himmel gibt’s kein Bier…

You Know At Some Point You Just Need To Determine At What Point You Don't Want To Keep On Feeding This Moron Troll

wonkish1 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:50AM EDT (link)

I realize many haven’t hit that point yet. But you may actually at least determine at what point it is just a complete waste of your time.

I got out my popcorn, too. But this show is starting to bore me. I’m sure I’m not alone.

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Hence the 'Franz Rule'..a little history

speciallist (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 2:02AM EDT (link)

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/02/20/cpac-straw-poll-ron-paul-wins-cpac-winner-rarely-get-the-eventual-gop-nomination/#comment-57317

Franz Prince of Dogness asked me to say hi :-) ... nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 2:12AM EDT (link)

And in honer of Franz, I will no longer reply.

gekster (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 2:16AM EDT (link)

so many nt’s. so little time.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

Actually gekster, you should google

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 2:21AM EDT (link)

“zombie bunny”. There are some great pictures, in honor of the recently killed and eaten HBunny.

Change

easy Gekster..

speciallist (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 2:31AM EDT (link)

you might pull a muscle trying to post pictures…

you were right.

gekster (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 3:05AM EDT (link)

first time this computer crashed since I got it.
How did you know.
eirie.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Good heavens roscopico! You will NEVER owe me an apology.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:55AM EDT (link)

Thanks for offering, but it’s totally unnecessary. I am a crusty, tough old guy and I tend to not walk away from a blatant display of complete stupidity. We’ve got a couple of people here, namely the guy who wrote this diary and now jennifer, who are totally disconnected from the reality of the race.

This particular race irritates me because I used to live in Delaware. I have no connections left there, but it’s still irritating because we enjoyed our time there and I hate to see the idiot politicians getting national publicity because it casts a bad look on the good folks we knew there.

It also irritates me because we’ve got the opportunity coming up to really win big across nation on the issues but in order to do that we’ve got pay attention to what worked and didn’t this last time out and build strategy accordingly. Backing a loser like CO’D is not a winning strategy because she sounded good reading her lines. She’s a lousy candidate and in a market the size of Delaware, she’s done. It’s a very small place and people have very long memories.

Crap like this discussion is 100% counter productive when we’ve got a new Congress getting ready to be sworn in and a new legislative agenda to deal with followed by what I’m sure will be a really nasty primary.

The couple of things I can guarantee you, one is that no offense was taken by me and the talking points discussed here have been roundly discussed in several other sessions. Several were as testy as this one because of the attitude of the CO’D worshipers and a couple were very calm discussions of the issues and lessons learned, primarily in diaries or with comments from a current DE Republican Committeeman.

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I have been respectful

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 1:44AM EDT (link)

I am arguing it out, if that is not allowed, fine with me, It contributes to group think, but if that’s what we are supposed to do, I don’t belong here.

I have only retaliated when called a moron, an idiot, and so on.

And I'm asking you to stop retaliating

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 8:52AM EDT (link)

When both sides get involved I can’t isolate any behaviors to discourage.

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Neil, you encourage the ugly behavior

reagantradition Thursday, December 30th at 3:40PM EDT (link)

It comes from you. Your job is to focus the disucsion on respectful dialogue.

Instead you cause the insults and ugly diatribes because you support it

How is he encoureging ugly behaviour.

gekster (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 4:44PM EDT (link)

This I gotta hear.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 

Ugly behavior?

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 6:44PM EDT (link)

How would you know? You’re a brand-new, newly-registered poster. What ugly behavior could I possibly have directed at you?

The only people I’ve said unkind things about in this thread are Christine O’Donnell and Jon Moseley, the miserable failure duo.

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Ahhh. reagantradition/jonmoseley/grassroots1773/pete

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 7:39PM EDT (link)

You’ve got real big ones to encourage anybody of “ugly behavior” you are a two bit sock puppet of a failed lawyer who got banned from a superior court in VA by the VA Supremes and has run at least one losing campaign for CO’D.

You get insulted because you are here only because you’re somehow able to get away with blatant site violations that are routinely banned for. That, and you are dumb as a box of rock.

Change

 
 
 
 

When thugs attack, attack their victim

reagantradition Thursday, December 30th at 3:44PM EDT (link)

If you can’t tell the difference, how can you moderate?

hey P2P...we have a whiner over here..

speciallist (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 3:59PM EDT (link)

can you bring the cheese over?

 

Sockpuppet attack.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 7:42PM EDT (link)

Look!! It’s JonMoseley. Or could it be grassroots1773? Or Pete? Or reagantradition?

NO!!!! It’s all four!!

You really do set the standard for pathetic.

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Its one thing to blame GOP officials, its another thing all together to blame GOP voters

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 4:56PM EDT (link)

Are you really surprised that 18% of R’s voted for Coons? How many R’s voted for Obama in 2008? Frankly, I am surprised she didn’t lose more Republicans.

The bottom line is that if COD couldn’t get it done in 2010, she should try a different avenue to effectuate change in the future.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

so what you are saying is,

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 7:59PM EDT (link)

that you do not dispute his claims in the diary.

Since the claims are utterly meaningless

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 8:08PM EDT (link)

who cares.

Change

blind

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 8:50PM EDT (link)

and dismissive. If we don’t understand history, we cannot avoid failure in the future. If we decide we will not view history, we are doomed.

I understand history very well.

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:34PM EDT (link)

And the lesson from CO’D's candidacy is that in order to win you’ve got to have a credible candidate and simply being able to spout her lines on cue does not make a credible candidate. See DE. See NV. Heck, see AK. See MA on Dem side.

A candidate has to be able to rally the party organization to win. It wasn’t like CO’D was a neophyte, she was – and is – just a failure. Get over it. And learn from it.

Change

not after winning the primary they don't.

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:28AM EDT (link)

no way, after winning the primary, the candidate should get the support of the Republican Party. You ignore this simple fact as if it is diminutive.

I'm not ignoring it at all.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 2:16AM EDT (link)

What you are ignoring is that CO’D could have had a national TV special at the Reagan funeral plot, RR could have risen from the dead and given a rousing endorsement speech for her and struck the DE GOP dead with a bolt of lightening and she’d have still lost by double digits. She was a lousy candidate, completely incompetent with reference to the process and now she’s proved it three times in a row. Get over it.

Change

I get it

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Friday, December 31st at 10:20PM EDT (link)

Do you hate Sarah Palin?

Not in the least.

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, December 31st at 10:43PM EDT (link)

I’d love to see her as RNC Chair.

She happens to be very close to the bottom of people I’d like to see President, but if she runs and wins the primary I’ll support her.

Change

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I am saying that for an R compaign to complain about R voters

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:08PM EDT (link)

not supporting the R candidate is lame.

Party organizations need to be loyal. Voters vote for whom they want. If COD or her followers want to blame Republican voters in Delaware for not voting for her, she doesn’t have any kind of future in politics.

Blaming the voters is not a good strategy. On the other hand, why change tactics now?

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

You got that right!

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 10:45PM EDT (link)

“Party organizations need to be loyal.”

Candidates need to be able to work with Party

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:35PM EDT (link)

organizations. Or they fail.

Who feeds you and dresses you. I am beginning to think that grassroots/Pete/JonMoseley has highjacked your account. You can’t possibly be this stupid.

Change

Maybe it's his seester.

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:38PM EDT (link)

LOL

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
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I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

I Was About To Post That

wonkish1 (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:52PM EDT (link)

But decided against it. But clearly it is to big of a coincidence to have 2 idiots harping on the exact same subject in that exact same post, etc. Especially considering that when 1 decided to stop posting the other popped on and resume being a moron.

“First you win the argument, then you win the vote.” Margaret Thatcher

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aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, December 29th at 11:58PM EDT (link)

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

My wish for 2012 is that we have more Highlander references at RS

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:59AM EDT (link)

Some stoic fatalism describes our situation quite accurately

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 
 

I'm not a moron

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:37AM EDT (link)

take that back. Does anyone know how people get convinced? Honestly, you would think one of you could figure out how people realize that they can affect change in America. Not only that, but to tell an American that she should just shut up and go away is a challenge to do the opposite. You have not offered anything to convince anyone of anything.

If you seek to argue, offer an argument.

 
 
 

O'Donnell won the primary despite Steele's

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:32AM EDT (link)

efforts to try to help Castle. Who feeds and clothes me? I do. And who feeds and clothes the Republican Party? Voters. Me. And who is in charge of the House and Senate. We the People.

I know you are trying your best to defeat me, and I respect that, but seriously, you are not that open-minded. You seem to be very happy to continue to miss the mark.

hi jennifer..

speciallist (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:36AM EDT (link)

becker makes a good point here… http://www.redstate.com/grassroots1773/2010/12/28/democrats-were-under-represented-in-delaware-election-nov-2-odonnell-did-not-motivate-democrat-vote/#comment-481

let’s give it a rest

say uncle

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:43AM EDT (link)

speciallist, I offered good real reasons for the conservative cause, and all I got was insults in the end. If you want me to rest, tell them to knock it off. They have not answered anything, only said O’Donnell is unelectable. That is not true. The circumstances surrounding the general are reprehensible. I will not back down from that fact. And, it is a fact. The argument since is against O’Donnell and is tainted, I repeat, tainted by interference from heavy hitters within the Republican Party.

we understand..

speciallist (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:47AM EDT (link)

but Becker is right

What’s your favorite football team?

 

You Make Comments Like That

wonkish1 (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:51AM EDT (link)

And you’ll be deserving of any wrath that comes at you. “Say Uncle” just shows that you are trying to cause disturbances here for your own ego. Statements like that will lead you to have nobody to come to your defense. None, whatsoever.

“First you win the argument, then you win the vote.” Margaret Thatcher

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http://procinct.net/ –GOTV walk/call lists
http://www.citizensunited.org/ –Their documentary arm

or perhaps

jenniferkuznicki (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 2:14AM EDT (link)

I am convinced I’m right.

Is that what you tell your children? Give up? Yikes.

If everyone is thinking the same thing, no one is thinking.

See you around!

 
 

If the DE GOP couldn't stop COD from winning the primary, how could they stop her from winning the general?

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, December 30th at 12:58AM EDT (link)

Its not like the DE GOP was saying good things about COD before the primary.

The DE GOP did act in a reprehensible manner, but that doesn’t make COD a strong candidate. Both propositions can be true:

DE GOP blows big chunks
COD is a weak candidate

Anyway, you never addressed the issue of whether a candidate is automatically a good candidate simply by being conservative. You have not addressed the linkage in her lawsuit about conservatism and gender discrimination. Do you think it is conservative to link conservatism with sexism?

These were specific points. Moreover, besides MBecker, you weren’t being insulted. I didn’t even say that COD was unelectable. I said she was weak, that she lost badly, and that R defections were not the cause of her defeat.

Statistically speaking, if every R in the state voted for COD, she still would have lost. That is a fact. The 17% of the Rs who didn’t vote for COD were not 17% of the electorate. 17% of 30% is less than 6%.

If every R had voted for COD, she would have lost by 10%—-the margin that Reagan beat Mondale.

We call that a landslide.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

And let's remember

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, December 28th at 5:01PM EDT (link)

This guy’s part of Jon Moseley’s circle, who was part of the loser O’Donnell campaign who can’t take responsibility for his part of that epic failure, and so is a sore loser blaming everyone but himself and his loser candidate.

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