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Democrats were UNDER-Represented in Delaware Election Nov. 2. O’Donnell did not motivate Democrat vote

By: Pete (Diary) | December 28th, 2010 at 12:29 PM |

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Democrats were apparently under-represented in Delaware’s US Senate race on November 2, 2010, according to CNN exit polls taken on election night.

Voter registration for Delaware’s 2010 election totaled

Democrats: 47 %.

Republicans: 29.4%.

“Other” & Independents: 23.5%

(Voter registration closed on October 9, 2010. Registration totals are as of October 21, 2010.)

http://elections.delaware.gov/services/candidate/regtotals.shtml

However, actual voter turn out according to CNN’s exit poll was:

Democrats: 44%.

Republicans: 30%.

“Other” & Independents: 27%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/polls/#val=DES01p1

Thus Democrats were under-represented among the actual voters who turned out in the November 2 election.

Only 44% of actual voters were Democrats although 47% of all registered voters are Democrats. Republicans comprised 30% of actual voters while being only 29.4% of registered voters. (Because Democrat registration surged 11.2% between 2008 and 2010, a full 11.2% of Democrat registered voters are recently-registered and probably highly motivated to vote after recently registering.)

If CNN’s exit poll data is accurate, the theory that Christine O’Donnell energized Democrats to turn out and vote – harming Delaware’s “down ballot” races – is clearly false.

Democrats actually voted in numbers significantly less than their proportion among registered voters by 44% to 47%. Republicans voted in a slightly higher proportion than their voter registration by 30% to 29.4%. Therefore, Christine O’Donnell’s presence on the November 2 ballot clearly did not drive Democrats to vote.

Two competing theories are being disputed about the US Senate race between Republican Christine O’Donnell and Democrat Chris Coons. A major debate – perhaps even a healthy debate – is raging within the Republican Party of Delaware about the future of Republicans after the November 2, 2010.

Delaware conservatives generally assert that the failure of the Republican Party to unite after the September 14, 2010, primary and the extraordinary inter-party attacks and strife caused O’Donnell’s loss in the US Senate race.

Delaware moderates or insiders in the Republican Party argue that a massive wave of Democrats was driven to the polls to vote against O’Donnell. In this argument, they claim that hostility uniquely tied to O’Donnell personally – different from her simply being the Republican nominee – energized Democrats to turn out and vote against the Republican ticket. They have even argued that O’Donnell “scared” voters who “thought she was a witch.”

Because O’Donnell and Coons roughly split the Independent / Other vote, while Democrats turned out in lower numbers than their presence on the voter registration rolls, O’Donnell’s candidacy clearly did not energize voters to vote against her.

Instead, the results of the US Senate race are clearly explained by the fact that a whopping 18% of all Republicans voted for the Democrat Chris Coons. The exit polls show that only 82% of those Republicans actually voting cast a ballot for the Republican nominee O’Donnell, 18% of Republicans voting for the Democrat nominee Coons.

Therefore, the exit poll data shows that Republican defections to vote for the Democrat Coons were responsible for the Republican Party losing the US Senate seat from Delaware.

A noticeable surge in voter turn-out apparently came from Delaware’s large Independent voter population, by 27% of actual voters compared with 23.5% of voter registrations.

The large Independent / Other vote was nearly split between Christine O’Donnell and Chris Coons. The CNN exit poll showed Coons getting 48% to O’Donnell’s 45% of the Independent vote, while O’Donnell won the Independent vote by 49% to 46%, according to exit polling conducted for Fox News. SEE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNYxENilNvU

(Fox news’ graphic shows the reverse of the anchor’s verbal report.)

Within the margin of error, O’Donnell and Coons roughly got equal shares of Independent and Other voters. At the minimum, Coons’ slight advantage among Independents and Other voters was not large enough to explain the election results.

Therefore, only the defection of 18% of Republican voters can explain the loss of the US Senate race in Delaware in 2010.

Tags: Chris Coons, Christine O'Donnell, Delaware, Mike Castle, US Senate

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reddog53

Is there a point to this?

The only thing we need to learn from 2010 is that the Republican organization in Delaware is moribund and in need of an infusion of hard working conservatives who will find a strong candidate and work for victory, rather than playing out a soap opera of epic failure.

Read Cold Warrior’s diaries, follow his lead and act!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001845352075 Pete

Your analysis is correct, but amazingly the “moribund” Republican organization of which you speak is desperately trying to DISTRACT from the conclusion that you offer, and trying to prevent the reform that you recommend.

So while it is obvious to you and me and to most people, sadly it is not obvious to everyone.

No matter who the candidates may be in the future, your call for improvement is correct. It matters to all candidates in all future elections.

But the very people who need to be reformed are desperately throwing dust in the air and trying to point “Look over there! A UFO!” to avoid the conclusion that you present.

The Republican Party of Delaware does not want to be reformed…. and they are trying to escape it.

The longer they refuse to acknowledge the systemic weaknesses in the DEGOP that impact all candidates in all future elections, the longer it will be before those changes take place.

HappyBunny

You are a loser.
Your candidate is a loser – she’s three for three in state wide elections.

You really need to crawl off and die. Think of it as a public service.

williamjameson

Hate is so liberal, “crawl off and die” is over the top. You really need to get a life.

But what do you know, you voted for a marxist thug aka Obama. Go buy a carbon credit so you can make more poor people dependant on government.

Chris Coons is a tool of marxism and he’s just a country employee. In comparison, both candidates were near equal because being liberal is a handicap, being a marxist is proof Coons isn’t capable of rational thought based on true economic theory.

Liberal translation, Coons is a one termer.
http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

Sorry Charlie, but we do require a certain amount of common decency and respect on the site.

Telling *anyone* to “crawl off and die” violates even the basic standards of decency on the site.

Donald Ayotte

reddog53
You make a good point. As a Delaware Committeeman, I believe we are wasting valuable time quibbling over the past. Many mistakes were made but the election is OVER.
We as a committee are hard at work attempting to bring the republicans of northern and southern Delaware together. The ideological differences between the two factions are many and bitter emotions exist between the two.
I will not post anything more about O’Donnell’s past mistakes. I want to expend all my energy toward the 2012 elections and winning.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

And trust me jerk, there’s more where that came from.

http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

Like Harry Reid’s Pet.
gekster

grassroots1773/Mosely/Pete is still running the O’Donnel campaign.
We know the election is over, but ya gotta give credit to one who will not quit.

Hey, there’s another windmill over there, homer.

http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

Here he is pitching the 12th Inning of a 9-Inning Game.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

there was nothing wrong with the candidate, everything wrong with the party from the DE chair to Rove.

I’m from MI, and it would be stupid to take a shot at a squirrel with a rifle suited to hunting large game like deer.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Your opinion came up a very, very distant second.

That, combined with the fact that the idiot that posted this piece of cat box refuse is a troll who was part of O’Donnell’s losing campaign.

http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

“This has been discussed at length.” And we all agree now, because we do not accept dissenters, and everyone is thinking the same now.

Wow, solid individualism.
aesthete

1) Christine O’Donnell was a treasure trove for stupid, ignorant statements. Not weird or conservative, stupid. Claiming to be a witch, or that rats with human brains were running around were not extreme, they were stupid. She made these statements as part of her (witting or unwitting) role as the “brainless Christian” on Bill Maher’s show and others.

2) She hadn’t held a real job in years, and was still relying on her undergrad degree to show that she was accomplished. She and her supporters couldn’t point to concrete accomplishments in the few jobs that she had held in the past.

3) She had a history of ethical violations and deviations from traditional conservative thought: calling conservatism “sexist”

4) On top of all of that, there isn’t much evidence that she was fiscally conservative before the Tea Parties, despite having a long “career” as a talking head. There were also statements from her past defending Bush’s awful record on those issues, casting some doubt on her credibility on such issues.

That’s just off the top of my head. Now, I’ve articulated my great esteem for that august body, Congress, and those who serve in it: suffice it to say, O’Donnell would have fit right in. That’s just the point, though: I don’t want to send my money to a campaign to elect someone who’ll fit in. If I’d wanted that, I would have sent money to Castle or Coons. I want to send my money and support to candidates who a) will win and b) are principled, ethical, and serious conservatives (intelligence is optional). Electing people based on their sparkling personality in contrast to their records has gotten the human race Obama on its good days, and third-world dictators on its bad ones.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

or someone else with no information would say. Hey, it’s the information superhighway, look it up. She did not say she was a witch, she did not say that rats with human brains were running around. You are cow-towing to the liberal media and their ability to affect influence on the populace. For shame. The fact is, I do not have to read past your number one to realize you are taking what they say and deciding what to do with it, instead of finding out for yourself. yikes! Research is good, try it.

Your number 2 is embarrassing because you are nitpicking since you have not done your homework on what she has said. She won the primary against a huge lib. remember? What has Mike Castle accomplished in his career? I’ll tell you. He accomplished the whitewash of the Republican Party and is now very interested in being a part of “no labels.” Great. Love me some lib Republicans.

Most conservative men i know are not sexist. But the ones I run into online sure are.

I have defended Bush in the past when compared to the liberals. Perhaps you did not check to see the context of the comment? Possible. You didn’t seem to want to check the internets on the first bulletpoint.

forgive me, but,
“I don
aesthete

It’s barely an insult. It certainly isn’t an answer that will be accepted by general election voters (in O’Donnell’s case, it clearly was not). Since you have no interest in pointing out exactly what was wrong with those characterizations, I’ll assume you had nothing substantive to say about them.

The second point isn’t a mis-characterization of what she said, it’s a fact. She hasn’t had a job in some time, hasn’t been able to point out her accomplishments in her jobs, and lists her undergrad degree in communication on her site as an “accomplishment”. When you’re 40 years old (or in Obama’s case, 50ish) and you still have to pad your resume with your undergrad degree in a non-rigorous course of study, you’re not accomplished. I don’t give a frak what Castle did or did not do: I wasn’t going to donate money to him in the first place.

If this is the best you and other O’Donnell acolytes can do in refuting concerns about her record (and if that’s the best tone you could muster), it’s no surprise that she crashed and burned three times.
JSobieski

that you cannot see the greatness of O’Donnel as a candidate is your problem, and not anyone elses.

She is just like Reagan. Reagan lost several presidential attempts before he was victorious. Reagan had an unconventional resume pre-politics. Reagan appeared on TV shows. Reagan attracted a lot of attention, and the hatred of liberals.

O’Donnell should pass on running for senate and just jump in to the 2012 Presidential primaries. We need someone who is not an elitist to run for President. Someone who is one of us—a person who understands the pains and stresses of people struggling in this economy.

Liberals clearly hate her. They are showing us who they fear. COD in 2012!!!!!!
aesthete

All these years on RS, only to have you and Jennifer expose me as the Reagan-hating, woman-hating Neanderthal that I am! You’re right: the only way that I could hate Reagan more were if he were a woman.

(For clarity’s sake, I know you’re kidding, and the above was sarcasm. Wish I could say the same about Jennifer.)
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

and the fact that you are losing this argument is clear.
aesthete

Explain that, then.
JSobieski

Nothing like equating conservatism with sexism and then demanding that conservatives support you to get the blood flowing.
aesthete

Jennifer is posting rashly and without thought or critical examination of the internal consistency or factual nature of her words or advocacy for her candidate? Perish the thought! Heh.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

3) She had a history of ethical violations and deviations from traditional conservative thought: calling conservatism
JSobieski

Which fan of Margaret Thatcher are you accusing of making sexist comments online?
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

I don’t know what you are talking about, you seem to want to pin me with calling you sexist, I did not.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Likely the cause of the rest of your disturbance.
aesthete
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

If you want to opine about human opinion, which is quintessentially the American vote, you must do your background work. According to your arguments, you are only going on what the media has said. Can we agree that the media is interested (especially in Biden’s state) only in electing an Obama clone? In fact, I believe that is what Obama said about Coons, or something similar.

I’m not trying to insult you, I’m trying to reach your thought process. So far, it’s been shut down so many times, I have no alternative but to become a broken record.

There has been times in my life when I did not have a job, There has been times in my life when I could not pay my bills on time. Everyone ends up with these problems, except very few. To continue to bang that drum, after all that has been done to win the House, is just very short-sighted and shoots too low at the target.

gekster

most deer rifles are 22′s.
Perfect for the game I shoot at.

http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

Most deer rifles are 22′s? Only if you are violating,
gekster

ntntntntnt
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

and every. not true. It is not true that most deer rifles are 22′s and every deer hunter shoots at squirrels and rabbits and such.

I hunt with a 30/30, and I have hunted with a .22-250 and a 270 and my dad hunts with a 30.06. none of which I would waste a bullet on a rabbit or squirrel.
gekster

In our small town, almost all the boys, at the age of twelve, were given .22 deer rifles for Christmass. Some got .24′s, but mostly it was .22″s
Its what we grew up with, it’s what we used.
It’s what we still use.

A couple of the show off dads would get thier kids 30-30′s.
They were a little big, but the .22′s were just right for us.

So although it may be true in my little clique,
it probably is different in the big outside world.
I concede the point.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

for the record, god is great, and guns are good. -Lynyrd Skynyrd

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

“reagantradition” – this would be the very first recommendation any of this jackasses diaries have managed and it’s by a RS member who has been with us – when I checked – a grand total of 29 seconds.

Moseley etal, you are a pathetic piece of crap.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

This is the same grassroots1773 account. He just changed his display name because he got tired of us calling him Jon Moseley.

Because apparently we weren’t supposed to call him Jon Moseley even though he posted things written by Jon Moseley.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

hope she fights again soon, but unfortunately, she’s getting “Palined” by the libs right now. Oh, if only some of the commenters on this site could withstand the pain from the VP on down.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Not in any universe. Oh, and you might want to take a look at the latest rock to roll over, the FEC is investigating her for misusing campaign contributions.

BALTIMORE

http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

by biden’s circle, and she is right that they did nothing wrong, you will still hold to your beliefs because that is all they are. Faith in the idea that ordinary Americans cannot win, and the biased media is our master. If only I could hear how coons did anything wrong in his campaign. Like, saying that separation of church and state is in the constitution. Respectfully, your premise is way out of whack.

aesthete

to start harassing progressives with as much vigor as it does conservatives, you’ll be waiting for a long time, sister. Campaigns and candidacies cannot be won by whining about what we wish the world was like; they are won based on overcoming obstacles in our way (fair or not). Based on three campaigns’ worth of evidence, and statements after her last lost blaming everyone but herself, O’Donnell will most likely not be able to overcome these obstacles on her fourth run-around.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

and the triumph of the human spirit and hard-working, God-fearing Americans. You do what you want, and we will see who wins. Provided, Republicans do not decide to interfere in a general against their own primary winner ever again.

You and people who argue like you do, don’t seem to be interested in convincing folks, just complaining about numbers and pissing on the people who are least at fault.

powertothepeople

you got another loud mouth stalker chasing you who does little but open mouth, repeat constantly, then think themselves clever. I would join you in showing her just how ignorant she sounds, but since I made Kyle cry today, I will leave this one to you.

http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

make me cry.
speciallist

you have earned the coveted title of ‘Biggest Jackass on Redstate’

I’m sure you’re Very proud of yourself
powertothepeople

accolades and recognition, all a man could ask for.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

But that’s only because we get spambots.

aesthete

At least he respects site guidelines enough to not post his graphic fanfic involving himself and a certain Senatorial candidate for DE…

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

This diary confirms that Christine O’Donnell was an unmitigated disaster that was thoroughly rejected by her state.

Again.

She failed to motivate Republicans, she energized Democrats and left-leaning Independents with her crazy babbling about witchcraft and other stupid stuff.

She was a horrible candidate.

http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

it means her candidacy came damn close to winning and would have done better minus moron rove and moron republican chair of delaware. Influencing the electorate counts, and she woke up a lot of people, and won the primary. It was the Republicans that did her in.

powertothepeople

or shall I. From reading her nonsense, a monkey would be able to dissect her nonsense.

http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

or throw crap. that’s what monkeys do.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

JSobieski

nt
JSobieski

COD lost because she couldn’t peel off democrats and she lost the independent vote.

Thats what the numbers show. Republican turnout was pretty good, and the R’s voted for COD. There simply where not enough COD Democrats or COD independents. The outcome was disappointing, but hardly surprising.

Merely proclaiming youself the most conservative candidate does not result in victory in a state like Delaware. She would have been better off making all of her TV ads about taxes, and skipped the I am not a witch, I am one of you, etc stuff. If she had made the election about taxes and stuck to that message, I think she could have one.

Anyway, if people in Del. want to nominate her again, they are more than welcome to do it. I frankly hope that a better candidate steps forward.
http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

The fact that the voter profile in state was so close to the registration profile shows that Christine O’Donnell’s campaign single handedly bucked the national trend of Republican motivation and Democrat depression.

Further, the fact that she only split independents shows she lagged far behind other Republicans.

Her campaign was a miserable failure by any useful measure. Bad candidate, bad staff, bad campaign.

http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

you are looking at numbers and not figuring in the human factor.

If people can see what is happening to their country, they can be persuaded to vote accordingly. My point is, as it always has been that the interference by the Republican party hurt a Republican win, and has made it more difficult for conservative activists in that state.

She was not a bad candidate, not at all, I found very little to disagree with her on. I agree the staff sucked, but not a good reason for the republican party to dump a load on her, and as far as the campaign went, I would have done things differently. But, the fact is, lots of things could have been different if only the Republican party had been behind her.

gekster

But you wont let it go.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

it interests me, and it cannot be thrown aside. The Party is more at fault in the case of O’Donnell v. Coons.
gekster

You are skewing off on different tangents now.
JSobieski

This pretty much encapsulates the dispute.

You would likely say the same thing about my father. You would have little to disagree with him on. However, my father would be a terrible candidate for Senator (even worse than MBecker). It takes more than good policy positions coming out of someone’s mouth to make them a non-weak candidate.

I can think of a lot of people who are good conservatives who would be terrible candidates. In fairness to COD, my father would be far worse than she is but that is another story.

The strength of a candidate depends on more than the frequency of the candidate’s disagreements with Jennifer Kuznicki. Can you look outside of yourself and acknowledge the possibility that what I say is true.

COD is a sufficiently weak candidate that if I lived in DE, I would personally run against her next time around. She is sufficiently weak that a “I am not COD conservative” could make a decent go of it. DE is a small state, and with a savy Internet operation—-a good novice candidate could make a go of it.

I am hoping someone in DE answers the call to run and hopefully serve.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

and why did Rush raise a million for her? and why did Hannity interview her? and why do conservatives push her?

Must be because everyone is just not as smart as you hey?

JSobieski

Are you really surprised that 18% of R’s voted for Coons? How many R’s voted for Obama in 2008? Frankly, I am surprised she didn’t lose more Republicans.

The bottom line is that if COD couldn’t get it done in 2010, she should try a different avenue to effectuate change in the future.

http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

that you do not dispute his claims in the diary.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

who cares.

http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

and dismissive. If we don’t understand history, we cannot avoid failure in the future. If we decide we will not view history, we are doomed.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

And the lesson from CO’D's candidacy is that in order to win you’ve got to have a credible candidate and simply being able to spout her lines on cue does not make a credible candidate. See DE. See NV. Heck, see AK. See MA on Dem side.

A candidate has to be able to rally the party organization to win. It wasn’t like CO’D was a neophyte, she was – and is – just a failure. Get over it. And learn from it.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

no way, after winning the primary, the candidate should get the support of the Republican Party. You ignore this simple fact as if it is diminutive.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

What you are ignoring is that CO’D could have had a national TV special at the Reagan funeral plot, RR could have risen from the dead and given a rousing endorsement speech for her and struck the DE GOP dead with a bolt of lightening and she’d have still lost by double digits. She was a lousy candidate, completely incompetent with reference to the process and now she’s proved it three times in a row. Get over it.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

Do you hate Sarah Palin?
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

I’d love to see her as RNC Chair.

She happens to be very close to the bottom of people I’d like to see President, but if she runs and wins the primary I’ll support her.

JSobieski

not supporting the R candidate is lame.

Party organizations need to be loyal. Voters vote for whom they want. If COD or her followers want to blame Republican voters in Delaware for not voting for her, she doesn’t have any kind of future in politics.

Blaming the voters is not a good strategy. On the other hand, why change tactics now?

http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

“Party organizations need to be loyal.”

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

organizations. Or they fail.

Who feeds you and dresses you. I am beginning to think that grassroots/Pete/JonMoseley has highjacked your account. You can’t possibly be this stupid.
gekster

LOL
wonkish1

But decided against it. But clearly it is to big of a coincidence to have 2 idiots harping on the exact same subject in that exact same post, etc. Especially considering that when 1 decided to stop posting the other popped on and resume being a moron.
aesthete
JSobieski

Some stoic fatalism describes our situation quite accurately
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

take that back. Does anyone know how people get convinced? Honestly, you would think one of you could figure out how people realize that they can affect change in America. Not only that, but to tell an American that she should just shut up and go away is a challenge to do the opposite. You have not offered anything to convince anyone of anything.

If you seek to argue, offer an argument.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

efforts to try to help Castle. Who feeds and clothes me? I do. And who feeds and clothes the Republican Party? Voters. Me. And who is in charge of the House and Senate. We the People.

I know you are trying your best to defeat me, and I respect that, but seriously, you are not that open-minded. You seem to be very happy to continue to miss the mark.
speciallist

becker makes a good point here… http://www.redstate.com/grassroots1773/2010/12/28/democrats-were-under-represented-in-delaware-election-nov-2-odonnell-did-not-motivate-democrat-vote/#comment-481

let’s give it a rest
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

speciallist, I offered good real reasons for the conservative cause, and all I got was insults in the end. If you want me to rest, tell them to knock it off. They have not answered anything, only said O’Donnell is unelectable. That is not true. The circumstances surrounding the general are reprehensible. I will not back down from that fact. And, it is a fact. The argument since is against O’Donnell and is tainted, I repeat, tainted by interference from heavy hitters within the Republican Party.
speciallist

but Becker is right

What’s your favorite football team?
wonkish1

And you’ll be deserving of any wrath that comes at you. “Say Uncle” just shows that you are trying to cause disturbances here for your own ego. Statements like that will lead you to have nobody to come to your defense. None, whatsoever.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

I am convinced I’m right.

Is that what you tell your children? Give up? Yikes.

If everyone is thinking the same thing, no one is thinking.

See you around!
JSobieski

Its not like the DE GOP was saying good things about COD before the primary.

The DE GOP did act in a reprehensible manner, but that doesn’t make COD a strong candidate. Both propositions can be true:

DE GOP blows big chunks
COD is a weak candidate

Anyway, you never addressed the issue of whether a candidate is automatically a good candidate simply by being conservative. You have not addressed the linkage in her lawsuit about conservatism and gender discrimination. Do you think it is conservative to link conservatism with sexism?

These were specific points. Moreover, besides MBecker, you weren’t being insulted. I didn’t even say that COD was unelectable. I said she was weak, that she lost badly, and that R defections were not the cause of her defeat.

Statistically speaking, if every R in the state voted for COD, she still would have lost. That is a fact. The 17% of the Rs who didn’t vote for COD were not 17% of the electorate. 17% of 30% is less than 6%.

If every R had voted for COD, she would have lost by 10%—-the margin that Reagan beat Mondale.

We call that a landslide.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

This guy’s part of Jon Moseley’s circle, who was part of the loser O’Donnell campaign who can’t take responsibility for his part of that epic failure, and so is a sore loser blaming everyone but himself and his loser candidate.
JSobieski

Is it a news flash to anyone that there are more Democrats in Delaware than Republans?
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

Y’all hear of Reagan?
gekster

Voting is “democratic”.
I find most Democrats are not democratic.
JSobieski

The D’s outnumber the R’s. So the basic math of Delaware is that the R has to win the I’s to win the election.

Reagan was great at wining the I’s. COD . . . not so much.
JSobieski

so the Reagan anology is misplaced.

COD lost almost 20% of the R vote, and she lost the majority of independent voters. She didn’t get much in terms of D votes.

Heard of Reagan? Yes, the guy who never lost one general election? Yup, quite familiar. The guy who won independents? Yup, that guy. The guy who pulled D voters? Yup. The guy who didn’t whine or complain about a lame GOP apparatus? Yup, the same person.

Ever hear of Yogi Berra?
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

most Democrats are not liberals. Liberals are not democratic.
gekster

I said nothing of liberals.
Are you reading things that arn’t there?
JSobieski

There are states in the New England area where 50% of the general population (Democrats, Republicans, Independents, etc) self-identify as “liberal.” The percentage within the democratic party in those areas is far higher.

The overall percentgage for the country for self-identified liberals is around 20%.

Delaware isn’t Vermont, but it is an uphill battle for any Republican, much less a conservative.

An R running in Delaware needs to win the battle for independent voters in order to win. COD actually lost the battle for independent voters (“about equal” is less than 50%). Nothing else really needs to be said. Losing the independent voters was the most critical fact for COD in 2010, just as losing the independent voters was the most critical fact for the House victories in 2010.

If you want to say that COD is a great candidate who should run again, the more power to you. We can’t win every race, and maybe she can once again play the heroic role that she played in 2010.

I myself prefer conservative candidates who don’t link conservative beliefs to gender discrimination, but if you prefer candidates who badmouth conservatism when it suits them, it is your right to do so.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

you said, “Is it a news flash to anyone that there are more Democrats in Delaware than Republans?”

I said, “all democrats don’t have to vote Democratic.”

which meant that if you appeal to the people who call themselves democrats but are not liberal and do not like the way the Obama administration is diminishing America in every respect, you can win their vote.
gekster

“Is it a news flash to anyone that there are more Democrats in Delaware than Republans?
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

I trounced your argument.
gekster

And two, I did not say what you attribute me to have said.
And you didn’t trounce anything.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

you still have the erroneous tagline.
http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

You said upthread:

Democrat = a person
democratic = a process

Perhaps that is why most liberal Democrats prefer the term Democratic party. They see the party as a process to lead the nation into statism. It kinda goes along with them trying to rebrand themselves every so often, such as going from “liberal” to “progressive” when they thought “liberal” was falling out of favor.

Like you, I grew up learning the names of the 2 parties as Democrat and Republican. I don’t really remember the other party being referred to as Democratic until the Clinton years.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

she lost the general, no thanks to the chair of the republican party in DE and rove. If they would have kept their mouths shut, and allowed her to make her case, things could have been different.

Southern Delaware is different from northern Delaware.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

if the morons who can’t shut up like rove and the chair of the Republican party of DE would have stayed out of the general.

They helped Coons win, no doubt in my mind.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

because they didn’t run interference against him.
JSobieski

Maybe she should run for state senator first, so she doesn’t need to represent both North and South Delaware?

Jimmy Carter won Georgia in 1980. Mondale won Minnesota in 1984.

Neither Carter nor Mondale lost by 16% percent of the applicable electorate.

If 16% (the margin of O’Donnell’s defeat was 16.6%) is damn close, there was no Reagan landslide . . . and landslides occur very infrequently.

There is no way that 16.6% of DE cares what Karl Rove said on Fox News. Bush was crushed in Delaware. The idea that Delaware voters are influenced by Rove is silly. Rove is Darth Vader to those in NE.

P.S. Northern Delaware and southern Delaware are going to be different in 2012, 2014, and every election for the next decade.

What is COD’s plan for dealing with that basic fact?
JSobieski

in 76 as well as 80. Yes, the GOP was scared of RR.
JSobieski

Rove and the DE party chair simply don’t have that kind of influence.
gekster

It’s my problem.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

Are you interested at all in convincing people to vote Republican? Or, are you just interested in playing with a calculator?

Conservatism wins. The game is not in numbers, because the numbers game only works with inanimate objects, or mannequins. People can be persuaded, or do you dispute that fact too?

I will never forgive Rove for stepping in on Delaware and swaying opinion. I will never forgive the stupid chair of the Republican Party in Delaware for trying to sway opinion in the general.. The General!!!

Nuts.
gekster

From “I won” to locking Republicans out of policy meetings,
blocking Republicans from offering amendments,
to a whole list of “undemocratic” things.
That was the concept I was trying to get to the poor deer.
aesthete

O’Donnell’s didn’t tally up the last three times she tried, and they probably won’t the next time she takes a whack at the pinata. Find a better conservative candidate and deal with it.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

you do not dispute that republicans voted 18% for Coons, then you say that Rove and the chair did not cause a 16.6% margin. Good luck with that.

Add on top of that, all the naysayers making fun of her right along with the media about the witch thing, the peeping thing, the fiscal thing, the separation of church and state thing, and you have an e-campaign against a conservative. Well done.

If you don’t think the Republican Party added to her demise, when they could have taken a position that the democrats don’t seem to have a problem with..it’s called loyalty.
http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Your typical candidate in a typical poll loses 5-10% of his party to the other side.

16% is a pretty bad loss, and shows a failure to win over much of anybody.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

he overcame them, COD could not because you, and many others have not learned the lessons of history.
aesthete

from Republicans: there is no candidate, ever, who has won 100% of his party.

And so long as you have free speech and dumb statements on the part of candidates, you’re going to have the problem of e-campaigns. Perhaps candidates who don’t have so many personal issues would have an easier time of it?
wonkish1

With basic math, too.

If Republicans make up 30%(just a guess I don’t know the exact number) of the electorate and 18% vote for the Dem that isn’t 18% of voters, dummy. That is 18% times 30% = 5.4% of the electorate.

I would suggest you make sure that you don’t make a fool of yourself when you making a case.
captkirc

Would that be the same loyalty that Christine showed to the Republican Party of Delaware in 2006 when she mounted a failed general election write-in campaign after finishing 3rd in the Primary?

Would that be the same loyalty she showed to her campaign workers and vendors when she didn’t pay them for their time and services during her failed 2008 run?

Would that be the same loyalty she showed to the many donors who contributed to her failed 2010 Senate campaign when she pocketed close to a million dollars in campaign contributions all the while complaining about not receiving enough financial backing from the national party?
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

as will be every go-round hence. Obama had that affect on America. You kinda got a hate-on for her don’t you? I have to admit, I read and listened to her, and drew my opinion. I wonder if you didn’t listen to everyone else and then form your opinion?

Just think if we all were able to inform people of her message, rather than get the filtered version and jump to conclusions.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

hurt her chances, and you keep ignoring it.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

makes me laugh, name me a democrat who does not have personal issues, not only that, but Bush used to be an alcoholic, somehow, he got past that. Are you very sure your rendition of who Christine is, is entirely accurate?
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

very competent, professional and accomplished politician. He knew how to get people who didn’t agree with him to work with him. CO’D is an incompetent, three time loser who can’t open her mouth without sticking her foot in it all the way up to her knee.

Lesson to be learned? Absolutely. Recruit competent candidates. That didn’t happen in DE.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

you are obviously ignorant as a post. Reagan had more problems with Republicans than with Democrats. The Democrats just tried to stonewall him, give him some of what he wanted and get what they could in return. Republicans tried to destroy him.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

I’m suggesting that a conservative woman from Delaware can win a Senate seat, and you are suggesting she become President. these new people in the political process just really muss things up, eh?
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

for making my point. Did Reagan run for Senate against a Marxist and have the chief of staff from the prior Republican administration denounce him during the general? When did Christine say anything that Reagan would not have agreed with? Did Reagan have to overcome his party chair during the general?
wonkish1

My Guess for GOP ID was spot on. I forgot that the number was at the top. Nice!!
aesthete

2010 was the best year for Republicans since ’94, and you think it’s just another go-around? There were plenty of Republicans who did great with their filtered messages in spite of the media.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

and I would suspect she got a fair amount of money from Redstaters. We all – me too – really wanted her to win. She didn’t. And it became very evident very early that she simply wasn’t up to the task of running for office. Pretty much any office, but especially one where she was going to get national exposure.

She was an incompetent candidate. Could not deal with the DE GOP, who she knew very well, they supported her in ’08 so she knew the players and the playing field. She was a disaster on camera with any reporter. And she was clueless when it comes to managing a campaign. Her former campaign manager either wrote this diary or is a fellow traveler of the idiot who did and makes a complete fool of himself here on a regular basis (kind of like you’re doing). Heck, she couldn’t be bothered to make sure that the last hope for a dead campaign – a half hour infomercial – actually ran. And she had a million dollars left over.

And let’s not forget, the jerk she ran against should have been easy pickings because he was handpicked by DE Dems when they were sure Castle would be the Republican candidate and a landslide shoo in. This was a race for us to lose and we were up to the task, thanks to CO’D.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Nixon had Nixon. Ike had a little fling in Europe. Kennedy had a zipper that didn’t work. Johnson had more issues than all of the above. Carter was a racist hick with drunk brother. Clinton had more women issues than the rest of the state of Arkansas combined. Obama’s best friends are domestic terrorists.

Note that all of those folks, with possible exception of Ike, had major issues that were huge moral/judgment issues that would take mortal men or women out of the running in an election for dog catcher. All faced down the issues – of which they and the voters knew were real – and yet they won the Presidency.

O’Donnell was nothing more than the butt of some jokes and she couldn’t overcome it. Bottom line, yeah the state party should have done more, but a united state party with Karl Rove saying nice things and raising even more money for her would not change one thing. When she went on TV and got eaten alive by reporters that she had to know would be loaded for bear and hostile toward her, that was on her. She is incompetent as a candidate and, she is done in the political world for a very, very, very long time at best. She is a joke in DE and she won’t get Tea Party money next time out.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

The only point you’ve got is on the top of your head.

Reagan worked with Republicans who didn’t like him and won them over. O’D didn’t. She’s incompetent as a candidate, three for three in statewide elections in a very small state. She’s done.
JSobieski

its just that O’Donnell can’t.

The comment you are referring too is pure sarcasm. COD for President of Earth? COD . . . the next Joan of Arc!
roscopico

I agree with your analysis regarding Reagan.

Your insults are gratuitous, and unnecessary, It seems pretty lowbrow, and does anything but elevate the exchange, the cause, the site, the reader, the recipient, or you.

We should hold ourselves to a higher standard, thanks.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

I’m not an idiot, and you have not made your case. She is not incompetent, your argument is though. Have you ever convinced anyone of anything in your life? Or are you the type that throws up his hands and goes for the popular sentiment because he has no real power?

You disrespect those that voted for her in the primary. You are the nitwit here.
http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

And I mean all around.

You’ve come into this thread with a combative attitude from the start, jennifer kuznicki, and even though I wish mbecker908 would ease up too, I need both of you to do it, if we’re going to settle back down.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

of people who would not tow the line. That’s the point. I understand sarcasm, what you displayed is ignorance.
JSobieski

Its a great campaign slogan:

Tow the line . . . this time . . or else
You Republicans out there, you owe me your vote
I almost won one of the counties
I almost won half of the independents

Can you at least in theory, acknowledge that a candidate could be both conservative and a weak candidate? Because if you can’t acknowledge that in theory, there isn’t much point in this.

You are correct that the GOP apparatus in DE should be burnt to the ground. Same can be said for Alaska. However, Miller and O’Donnell both lost. Do I think Republican voters who didn’t vote R made a mistake? Damn right I think they made a mistake. However, voters have every right to vote how they want. If COD lost 17% of the R vote, maybe that 17% thought they were part of that amorphous “establishment” that she kept talking about.

The better question to ask is how would she gain ground in a future election? Her name recognition has to be pretty high at this point. It might be a good idea for her to go for a job other than US Senator for a while and build up a reputation for competence and leadership.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

JonMoseley’s little sister. Or alter ego. General Honore says it best. Although Monte Python works too.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

I am arguing it out, if that is not allowed, fine with me, It contributes to group think, but if that’s what we are supposed to do, I don’t belong here.

I have only retaliated when called a moron, an idiot, and so on.
reagantradition

If you can’t tell the difference, how can you moderate?
wonkish1

“Can you at least in theory, acknowledge that a candidate could be both conservative and a weak candidate?”

I think we can hang the whole damn argument on this one question. Thanks for finally getting to the core of this mess.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

or dodged, whatever it’s called, I said the Republican party should have towed the line, you pushed it on to the general populace.

Stop high-fiving yourself, you messed up.
speciallist

nice job jsob
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

You all keep saying that with no real examples. Factual examples. Without any help from her party, she had a tough time of it. but the focus is on the Party. At least that is my focus, and the fact that I watched her, and listened to her, and knew she was great, and Rush and Levin and Hannity climbed aboard. Or, don’t they matter?

What you all are saying is that you do not know what I know about her candidacy. Never mind what you think about how her campaign was run, which could have been helped if the Republican party had not run interference, you don’t know what she has ever said, or stood for, do you?
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

and he never was a Republican, stop acting as though he was. Have we all misunderstood what happened this year? Are we all clueless as to how America feels right now? This is an elitist versus ordinary American argument. You would have fought for Castle. I would never have fought for Castle. O’Donnell won the primary, so, in effect, the attitude you take is the same one that hurt the Republican cause.

Your attitude is in stark contrast with the tea party movement that is defining the Republican party (whether they like it or not.) Saving the country is what is important, this skirmish is very educational.

If you aren’t interested in saving the country, just say so.
speciallist

you’re not even listening…

good luck
gekster

Christine ran a BAD campaign,
she had BAD handlers,
she said BAD things in interviews.
You have had this laid out in front of you,
the same as grassroote1773/ John Mosely/Pete.
And just like him, you are mule stuborn about it.
And the first thing about recovery,
you have to admit you have a problem.
And I am trying to say this in the nicest way.
JSobieski

Apparently DE didn’t “feel” the way that you did because COD lost by over 16%.

Nobody here was going to fight for Castle.

Why can’t COD fans simply acknowledge that COD is no Palin. She isn’t. There are plenty of people out there who are good conservatives who would make lousy candidates. MBecker has self-identified in that category, as do I.

Your logic seems to be:

Castle was a rat (true)
America is pissed off (true)
COD is a great candidate

The first two facts doesn’t make the third statement true.

A pissed off DE voted for a bearded Marxist over COD by over 16%.

COD lost independents.

Even if COD received every single R vote, she still would have lost by 10%.

10% is a landslide.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

You just don’t have any touch with reality.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

“this go-round was different” and “as will be every go-round hence” do you not understand? You wrote, “you think it
gekster

Give it up.
For all of us.
aesthete

Hey everyone, let’s keep funding O’Donnell’s campaigns, because every time will be different! Maybe she’ll make it on her 50th go-around.
JSobieski

Can you admit that 18% Republicant defections means that Republican defections were responsible for no more than 6% of the general election vote given that 18% of 30% (the Republican subset of general election voters) is less than 6%?

Can you admit that a 16.6% margin of victory minus the 6% for Republican defections means that COD would have lost by more than 10% even if each and every Republican voted for her?

Can you admit that 10+% loss in a tea party year is a serious drubbing?

Unfortunately, I don’t think these will be effective—too much math.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

that candidates that make it through the primary get help. Big help. She did not, she got the opposite.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

that the Republican party would not give her, and they went further to destroy her in the general. She got help from Limbaugh, and Levin, and Hannity, but the Republican party would not listen. The Party did her in, you know it and i know it, and yet, you continue to say that she was a bad candidate. She was a great candidate. you refuse to listen to her side. No idea why. But you are wrong.

What stupid things? Be sure they are factual, and not the media biased malarkey.

You are the one with the problem. Your blinders should only go on when you sleep. Try that next time.
aesthete

The record-breaking dollar donation figure that she got?
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

over castle.
gekster

then you would know I was one of her biggest supporters on this site.
There were plenty of RS supporters for her.
I railed against Castle.
I helped to raise money.
I gave it all I had to give.
There is just one thing.
She lost.
She made tacticle errors.
She couldn’t cut the mustard.
She just LOST.
I got over it.
The question is, can you.
aesthete
JSobieski

Despite all of the “feelings” that you write about, she was crushed in a general election.

Victory in a primary is not victory in a general election.

I agree that COD could very well win the next DE primary. I am concerned that she will once again prove to be a weak general election candidate.

Is your goal to win primaries or to send conservatives to DC?
JSobieski

how much more help could she possibly get?

I really wish I lived in DE. I see an opportunity here for a serious conservative candidate to be an alternative to COD. I think it is eminently doable. Please . . .someone from RS. . . please run.
roscopico

Personally, I couldn’t care less about CO’D, and maybe after this whole debacle the good people of DE might find it within themselves to field a good candidate. I am guilty of jumping on a comment thread, seeing insults thrown prior to wading through the 500 previous, and making a hasty judgment.

Any way one might look at it, CO’D was a disaster (though that seat comes up soon enough… Go, good people of DE: find a non-disastrous candidate!).

I apologize for saying anything since you seem to have been goaded.

Sorry.
Good night.
aesthete

Guess who you are?

Hint: you’re not the one holding the football.
JSobieski

Both the basic question and then the more mathematical questions.

If that is a perry, I have 3 gold medals in sabre fencing.

It is a free country, people can high 5 whom they want.

Just as you are entitled to ignore the basic mathematical analysis of COD’s vote tally.

Just as you are entitled to call someone conservative who links conservativsm to sexism in a federal lawsuit.

Just as you are entitled to claim that if all Rs voted for COD, she would have won even though she still would have lost by more than 10%
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

and the chair had defended her, all the math you figured out would have been different.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

now I know not to take anything you say seriously.
JSobieski

If you want evidence, I would suggest the following is evidence:
(1) It was a big tea party election
(2) COD’s name recognition was far higher than a typical Senate challenger
(3) She lost the independent vote to Coons
(4) The GOP is sufficiently weak that it couldn’t stop her in the primary, but somehow became all powerful in the general
(5) She would have lost even if every R voted for her

In your mind, these facts point to a strong candidate?
gekster

You know, the guy who won despite the Gop
establishment not giving him support.
Now what was that guys name.
Anybody know.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

Do you have a blackbelt in karate? Should I care? You still are dancing around the Party’s role in all of this.
aesthete

that 1 out of 6 voters in DE are brainwashed lemmings hanging on every gilded word that comes from the mouth of Rove or Tom Ross before they go to vote?
JSobieski

Your big bad wolf has no claws and no teeth.

If the GOP couldn’t stop COD in the primary, how did they get so all powerful in the general election that COD was crushed in the general?
aesthete

Evidence of a depraved and sexist mind.
wonkish1

I realize many haven’t hit that point yet. But you may actually at least determine at what point it is just a complete waste of your time.

I got out my popcorn, too. But this show is starting to bore me. I’m sure I’m not alone.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Thanks for offering, but it’s totally unnecessary. I am a crusty, tough old guy and I tend to not walk away from a blatant display of complete stupidity. We’ve got a couple of people here, namely the guy who wrote this diary and now jennifer, who are totally disconnected from the reality of the race.

This particular race irritates me because I used to live in Delaware. I have no connections left there, but it’s still irritating because we enjoyed our time there and I hate to see the idiot politicians getting national publicity because it casts a bad look on the good folks we knew there.

It also irritates me because we’ve got the opportunity coming up to really win big across nation on the issues but in order to do that we’ve got pay attention to what worked and didn’t this last time out and build strategy accordingly. Backing a loser like CO’D is not a winning strategy because she sounded good reading her lines. She’s a lousy candidate and in a market the size of Delaware, she’s done. It’s a very small place and people have very long memories.

Crap like this discussion is 100% counter productive when we’ve got a new Congress getting ready to be sworn in and a new legislative agenda to deal with followed by what I’m sure will be a really nasty primary.

The couple of things I can guarantee you, one is that no offense was taken by me and the talking points discussed here have been roundly discussed in several other sessions. Several were as testy as this one because of the attitude of the CO’D worshipers and a couple were very calm discussions of the issues and lessons learned, primarily in diaries or with comments from a current DE Republican Committeeman.
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

for what purpose? castle sells off the country piece by piece, vote by vote.

I’ve already told you, the party left her hanging, rove made a big deal on tv, (called influencing the electorate) and the party chair made fun of her. It was all uncalled for. She was a great candidate, and she may have won. You don’t know, I don’t know, but the fact that republicans stepped in to defeat her in the general was wrong, wrong, wrong.
gekster

Hence the support from us to defeat him.
After that, it was Christines to loose.
And she did.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

It’s very apt.
speciallist

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/02/20/cpac-straw-poll-ron-paul-wins-cpac-winner-rarely-get-the-eventual-gop-nomination/#comment-57317
http://jenkuznicki.com/ jenniferkuznicki

the media play after stupid opened his mouth did not sway voters?

the numbers game only works in your favor if you first convince the voters. If you convince them that the candidate is not good, the numbers will go against the candidate.

Why does this not help you understand?

*stupid=Rove
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

And after having lived there, given the political makeup of the state (and the Republican Party) I doubt if one in six knows who Karl Rove is.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908
gekster

so many nt’s. so little time.
aesthete

Not in the large numbers that you posit. But then, I don’t think that telepathy and mind control are among the gifts that God has bestowed upon Karl Rove.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

“zombie bunny”. There are some great pictures, in honor of the recently killed and eaten HBunny.
speciallist

you might pull a muscle trying to post pictures…
gekster

first time this computer crashed since I got it.
How did you know.
eirie.
http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

When both sides get involved I can’t isolate any behaviors to discourage.
reagantradition

It comes from you. Your job is to focus the disucsion on respectful dialogue.

Instead you cause the insults and ugly diatribes because you support it
speciallist

can you bring the cheese over?
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Look!! It’s JonMoseley. Or could it be grassroots1773? Or Pete? Or reagantradition?

NO!!!! It’s all four!!

You really do set the standard for pathetic.
gekster

This I gotta hear.
http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

How would you know? You’re a brand-new, newly-registered poster. What ugly behavior could I possibly have directed at you?

The only people I’ve said unkind things about in this thread are Christine O’Donnell and Jon Moseley, the miserable failure duo.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

You’ve got real big ones to encourage anybody of “ugly behavior” you are a two bit sock puppet of a failed lawyer who got banned from a superior court in VA by the VA Supremes and has run at least one losing campaign for CO’D.

You get insulted because you are here only because you’re somehow able to get away with blatant site violations that are routinely banned for. That, and you are dumb as a box of rock.

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