Last week, CNN reported that leading Iowa social conservatives were secretly meeting to determine who to endorse and coalesce around to avoid a Romney nomination. The thinking is that to avoid a splintered vote in Iowa, leaving a path to victory for Romney, the Newt, Cain and Perry supporters must unite behind a single Romney-slayer-candidate. This candidate must be a winner and someone that will go on to take South Carolina, Florida and beyond.
The unified endorsement has been delayed for the time being. This is good. The landscape needs another two weeks to let Newt fizzle out, and Rick Perry may be the last man standing.
The Newt attacks have already begun. He made a $100 million dollars lobbying the past few years. He may be full of ideas but he is also white, rich, old, fat and arrogant. White, rich, old, fat and arrogant aren’t going to beat a young, handsome and confident Obama. And Newt doesn’t have the kind of support at the grassroots level that it takes to ignore independents.
Cain did well by signing the Susan B. Anthony pro-life pledge last week and releasing a six minute video explaining 9-9-9, but he still hasn’t put forth affirmative evidence proving that any of his sexual harassment accusers were being dishonest. Until he does that, he is a ticking time bomb and cannot be handed the keys to the kingdom.
Perry, is the only guy left that has gotten himself together after running his campaign into the ground. Since gaffegate 2011, he has had strong debate performances, and reminded social conservatives, war hawks and fiscal conservatives why he is their guy. He has released an optional flat tax, discussed privatized social security and essentially pledged to go to war with Iran. We may not agree with everything Perry stands for, but this is a guy that fits the bill in every category, save immigration.
Many conservatives have realized that a type of earned amnesty for illegals is the way to go. Perry shouldn’t be penalized for working to find a solution for Texas problems. In the end, heresy on one issue is better than heresy on all the issues (his name rhymes with Ritt Momney). More importantly, an articulate Perry is not going to be taken down for $100 million in lobbying efforts or marital infidelity. He is someone that if he is able to articulate conservative views, will create a stark contrast with President Obama. This is the jobs governor for heaven’s sake.
And one more thing, right now, Rick Perry is the only one that has the money to win Iowa in 35 days.
Iowa conservative know what to do next.
Moe Lane
Dan McLaughlin
Dan Spencer
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
good write up
WA_Cowboy (Diary) Monday, November 28th at 4:00PM EDT (link)of course, it helps that I agree with it
“If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman
Perry's scorecard
dsteuber Wednesday, November 30th at 2:11PM EDT (link)I couldn’t agree with Tim more.
Here is a list of Perry’s pluses and minuses (I emphasize that this is a partial list – no doubt I have missed many important points on the plus side):
Pluses:
Excellent record creating jobs in Tex. (this will be the #1 issue in 2012)
Executive experience – 10 yrs as Tex. governor (longest ever)
Solid Christian but doesn’t hit you over the head with it.
Apparently not a skirt-chaser (at least nothing has surfaced so far)
Military experience – flew big jets for Air Force
Skeptical of Fed (this should appeal to Paul supporters)
Strong believer in limited Fed govt., states’ rights
Wants to reform tax code
Minuses:
Mental block in debate (who over the age of 30 hasn’t had one of these?)
Unfortunate “heart” comment
Supported in-state tuition for children of illegals.
The question is whether any of these minuses (and any I missed) are unforgiveable. Do they justify abandoning Perry for a randy pizza king who doesn’t know what happened in Libya or an unpredictable has-been whose first act in his campaign was to warn against extremism on the right?
No politician is perfect. It’s time we that conservatives stop looking for perfection and got behind the only non-Romney candidate who has the background and beliefs to unite the party and take it to Obama next year. Debating skills can be learned and Perry has improved. He will do fine against Obama by next fall.
Perry's as solid a conservative as you can get today.
pj2012 Wednesday, November 30th at 4:09PM EDT (link)I want a REAL person and conservative for president (not a poser) and Rick Perry is that person period! Alas, I live in New England… which doesn’t help.
Perry's scorecard is solid. Enter Newt, Stage Left, saying he helped defeat Communism and Hannity nods in agreement?
circlegranch Thursday, December 1st at 8:24AM EDT (link)How do WE, Perry supporters, get his message ignited in Iowa? Does anybody have contact info for Christian groups there? Tea party groups? Who are the movers and shakers in Iowa that are influential amongst caucus voters? Are there any Iowans that are on board here at RS that can help provide contact info?
After watching Mitt’s implosion w/ Brett Baier and Newt’s softball interview w/ Hannity (which ran the entire 1 hr show–no favoritism there) its time we fire up and get down to business in Iowa. Rick Perry needs a strong finish on Jan 3 and we can’t count on anybody but ourselves to help make that happen!
I read somewhere I don't know where???
romansdaughter Monday, November 28th at 4:15PM EDT (link)That the Iowa social conservatives had already taken Herman Cain and Ron Paul off their list so it was only Bachmann, Santorum, Perry or Newt. Newt I thought was really strange to be considered since I am a social conservative. It seems I read it on another thread. Yeah, I agree with you too.
“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus
“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill
” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot
Here is the article.
cheetah2 (Diary) Monday, November 28th at 5:34PM EDT (link)http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/iowa-social-conservatives-group-around-a-non-romney-candidate/
I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222
They have said they are praying about it.
cheetah2 (Diary) Monday, November 28th at 5:30PM EDT (link)Perry will get the endorsement if so.
I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222
cheetah, I hope you are right!
romansdaughter Monday, November 28th at 5:37PM EDT (link)Thanks for the article! I am praying too.
“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus
“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill
” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot
Article from the American Family Association's blog
changeforrickperry Monday, November 28th at 9:23PM EDT (link)“Get Ready For A Perry Comeback” by Bryan Fischer.
http://www.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147514172
I thought the concluding paragraphs were interesting:
“An under-appreciated fact about this election season, compared to 2008, is that Republican party rules mandate that delegates in primaries be awarded proportionately rather than on a winner-take-all basis. This will make it virtually impossible for a candidate to sew up the nomination by Florida, as John McCain did in ‘08.
“This GOP primary campaign will be marathon, not a sprint, and the advantage will go to the candidate with enough gas in the tank to go the distance, a candidate who has the resources to keep getting his message out and who wears well in personal campaign appearances. That means the smart money ought to be on Rick Perry. ”
thanks for the afa.net "Perry comeback" link
lizzie Monday, November 28th at 9:44PM EDT (link)bet they are truly relieved they had already taken Mr. Cain off their list – he really thinks a 13-year affair is ‘off limits’? Even I know the Ten Commandments
a marathon indeed, but the Paulistas will swarm the Iowa caucus sites.
I hope Iowans have to prove residence to caucus.
Paul could win Iowa (He almost won the straw-poll)
heraklios Monday, November 28th at 9:48PM EDT (link)This is bad for the contenders because it makes NH overly important and everyone knows that’s Romney’s home state, almost
There
trevorb (Diary) Monday, November 28th at 10:18PM EDT (link)There are three candidates that I believe have a legitimate chance to win the nomination. Gingrich, Romney, and Perry. Herman Cain is imploding, partly because of the scandals, but more so because he’s shown to have a lack of knowledge, particularly on foreign policy.
Perry is the over all wise choice
txpat Monday, November 28th at 10:52PM EDT (link)He doesn’t have all of the baggage that the others have.
He has a record of job creation or enabling business to flourish in difficult times.
He doesn’t talk about job creation, but has worked tirelessly to provide an incentive for business to move to Texas. I believe if he is given the opportunity to become President he would be a hands on type in DC to bring business back from other countries.
Perry the right choice for America in 2012.
No "baggage"? Huh, interesting...
johnconradarens (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 8:02PM EDT (link)I would think supporting Al Gore (and being part of Gore’s Texas team) over George HW Bush IN TEXAS in ’88 would at least be an oversized purse. And, I think it is likely that some of his personal investments, as well as his rewarding of state jobs and contracts to key donors and investment advisers would get extreme scrutiny if he ever were to again crack the “top tier”. Yes, Governor Perry, like all politicians going up against the Great Messiah in 2012 will have “baggage”… even if they have to invent it. For example: How does a man that earns $150,000 a year amass a fortune in excess of $2 million in less than ten years, especially when the markets have been flat (at best) for most of that ten years? I know it can be done with shrewd investments, but I am sure that’s not how the liberal establishment will spin it.
But, more importantly, it is important that we also do some “due diligence” to establish Governor Perry’s foreign policy bona fides. While he clearly is more knowledgeable than Mr. Cain, I am a little skeptical of his ability to command and articulately lead a world that’s about to go up in flames… if not actually, then at least monetarily. Maybe yes, maybe no.
Yes, Governor Perry seems to hit many of the right conservative chords, but I’m not sure which songbook he’s singing from. The public debt, for example, of Texas has more than doubled under his administration. It’s hard to be a hard-liner on public debt with this sort of thing hanging in the closet.
johnconradarens, do you have a cite for these?
gekster (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 8:40PM EDT (link)Was Gore a liberal or conservative Democrat when Perry supported him in 1988.
If liberal, show cause.
Can you show where Perry’s ‘excess’ of $2 million in ten years came from underhanded means, as you imply.
Can you show the key advisors and doners who got rewards from Perry, that were not with someone else in the Texas state Government involved.
Done by Perry alone.
Can you show where the Presidents all the way back to Kennedy got thier foriegn policy bone fidis. Just pick any three for the sake of time.
Can you show what debt Texas has, and since it has a balanced budget law, where is the debt.
And show where Perry spent the money, and not the legislature spending the money, with Perry just signing the bills.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
gekster, im sure you held newt, cain, and romneys baggage to the same high burden of proof
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 9:13PM EDT (link)Right?
And Obama is beyond criticism for solyndra unless he alone chose to approve the loans, right? Also, algore was not conservative in 1988. Moderate, maybe, but not conservative.
You can find all the Perry stuff democrats will have ready just by googling pay for play Rick Perry.
take off the blunders, Perry has as much “baggage” as the others.
That’s why I’m going with Newt. He’s been through the fire and can defend himself. From what I’ve seen in the debates, apply a little pressure and Perry will freeze, turn into a bully, or attack conservative critics as heartless or compassionless.
So federalfarmer, can you answer my questions.
gekster (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 9:21PM EDT (link)If it’s so easy to find out, then answer them.
And show backup for your answers, not just your opinion.
And I do this to all misinformation with all the candidates.
You just havn’t been paying attention.
I know that is not your strongest suit.
Oh, and I don’t wear ‘blunders’. Sorry.
I have my eyes wide open.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
Waiting.........
avagreen Wednesday, November 30th at 4:41PM EDT (link)*crickets*
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
and still waiting..............
irishgirl Wednesday, November 30th at 5:03PM EDT (link)n/t
When they want to start manufacturing "baggage", they might start here:
johnconradarens (Diary) Thursday, December 1st at 4:55PM EDT (link)From the Los Angeles Times, June, 1987:
“He laid out a broad list of national objectives, from combating AIDS and Alzheimer’s disease to curbing the ‘greenhouse effect’ — the threat to the Earth’s atmosphere from the burning of oil, gas and coal,” The Los Angeles Times reported in covering Gore’s announcement. In May 1987, according to The Washington Post, his stump speeches included a call for the nation to “confront the emerging problems of the greenhouse effect and the threat to our ozone.”
(My words: Al Gore was NEVER a “conservative Democrat”, especially when viewed against other “conservative Democrats” at the time, such as Earnest Hollings or Bob Mitchell. Al Gore is a flake today, and he was a flake in 1988. Period)
From the Texas Tribune:
“Over the past decade, the men and women chosen by Gov. Rick Perry to govern state universities have given his campaigns at least $5.8 million, according to an analysis by The Texas Tribune. About half of the governor’s appointed regents gave to his campaign; of those who gave, the average total given was about $64,000. The top giver, University of Texas System Regent Paul Foster, gave nearly $400,000.”
From the Wall Street Journal:
… one of the governor’s signature economic development initiatives—the Texas Emerging Technology Fund—has lately raised serious questions among some conservatives.
[...]
All told, the Dallas Morning News has found that some $16 million from the tech fund has gone to firms in which major Perry contributors were either investors or officers, and $27 million from the fund has gone to companies founded or advised by six advisory board members. The tangle of interests surrounding the fund has raised eyebrows throughout the state, especially among conservatives who think the fund is a misplaced use of taxpayer dollars to start with.
“It is fundamentally immoral and arrogant,” says state representative David Simpson, a tea party-backed freshman from Longview, two hours east of Dallas. The fund “opened the door to the appearance of impropriety, if not actual impropriety.”
My words again: I am not impugning Governor Perry. I am simply pointing out that if the liberal statist media wants to destroy a candidate, they will do so, and label it “baggage”… even if they have to look under literal rocks to do it.
About the Algore thing . .
texashistorian (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 5:18PM EDT (link)Perry was a democrat, and he’s never hid that fact. If you don’t know Texas, then that is “baggage,” I suppose. But you’d have turn over a lot of rocks in Texas in the early to mid 80s to find a Republican. Algore was also considered a conservative democrat in those days. Do some research, first.
On foreign policy, Perry has more than you might think. He has consistently dealt with Mexico on trade and border issues, as well as other countries on trade matters. He brings more to the table on that score than Barry O ever did, and more than Romney, Bachmann, Santorum, or Cain.
The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.
- Paul Johnson
Absolutely, positively Perry is the undisputed and
Wayne (Diary) Monday, November 28th at 11:08PM EDT (link)obvious choice of the entire field regarding core conservative values, even if he is not in my boat of Constitutional Conservatives through his actions, I believe he wants to be if it weren’t for all the politics involved.
Newt comes in second. Bachmann while my first choice will not get the nomination. The Party is too afraid of her. And, that’s a fact.
I’m for a Perry/Newt ticket in the long run!
Wayne
“To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” – Thomas Jefferson -
Why isn't he dominating?
Common_Cents (Diary) Monday, November 28th at 11:09PM EDT (link)Seriously? Love the guy on paper. But if he can’t sell his own base and be a conservative rock star, how the heck is he going to be the guy in the general?
Nobody questions Perry’s accomplishments. They do question his ability to sell what he’s got.
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
Obviously
txpat Monday, November 28th at 11:25PM EDT (link)the debate performances took a toll.
Now that he has stepped up his game on debates, he has been black balled by media.
Most media is out of the north east, and they want one of they’re own to be the one.
I was listening to Hannity this afternoon and he was talking about how he thought all our GOP contenders are strong.
He went on to talk about each one, but then goes am I missing anybody?
Guess who he left out, until his folks cued him?
Yep he forgot Rick Perry.
Made me want to throw up.
I must be a sadist for turning in to see if they will say anything positive.
I keep hoping that a Rush would throw his support behind Perry, but such support hasn’t come.
Hannity has made me sick for a long while....
avagreen Monday, November 28th at 11:57PM EDT (link)His partisanship is too obvious to not notice as it most of all of FOX stars (no longer journalists or reporters).
Gosh, how long has this been going on?
Written By Robert Seidman
November 28th, 2011
A few press releases have gone out about the November Sweep period (October 28-November 23) but the un-spun version is that Fox won with adults 18-49 and CBS won with total viewers. Here are the numbers with comparisons to last year:
Live + Same Day Ratings:
Adults 18-49:
Nov. 2011 Nov. 2010
Network A18-49 A18-49 % change
FOX 3.1/08 2.7/08 +15%
CBS 2.8/08 2.7/08 +4%
ABC 2.5/07 2.6/08 -4%
NBC 2.4/06 2.4/07 n.c.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/11/28/fox-wins-november-sweep-with-adults-18-49-cbs-with-total-viewers/111991/
Total Viewers:
Nov. 2011 Nov. 2010
Network Per2+ Per2+ % change
CBS 11.43m 11.13m +3%
ABC 9.28m 9.68m -4%
FOX 8.64m 7.79m +11%
NBC 6.86m 7.19m -5%
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
Ava, what about you? What say you about radio Iowan Steve Deaces's
sunshinek67 (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 11:04AM EDT (link)evangelical focus group that reports that Perry’s candidacy is “toast”
I disagree with Cents, no surprise, that Perry can rally the base if enough endorsements come his way and turn the free media machine around. Media has too much influence on picking our leaders for us.
Somebody needs to get ahold of Iowan Steve Deaces
bzip Tuesday, November 29th at 11:43AM EDT (link)This is just it, Perry isn’t toast and if groups like this stood for principle and endorsed Perry he would get the momentum he needs to win the nomination. If the family group of Iowa stand for principle Perry would get the endorsement and momentum, period.
And better yet, for all those saying Perry has the right record but don’t want to jump in his camp because he isn’t polling well – well maybe you can blame yourselves for the lousy outcome because you could NOT stand for a principled candidate but had to go with the latest fashion/fad.
Zip, that's exactly right. I agree with everything you just said.
sunshinek67 (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 12:07AM EDT (link)nt
God save us
irishgirl Wednesday, November 30th at 5:06PM EDT (link)from the people that pick their candidates based on polling and debate performance instead of substance, record, etc.
Deace and Huckabee pushing Bachmann & Santorum
lizzie Tuesday, November 29th at 2:55PM EDT (link)“What say you about radio Iowan Steve Deaces’s” is a very good question.
Deace’s 11 person focus group must include the same ten people Luntz used in his earlier Ohio focus group.
I have no idea why Deace and Huckabee are so determined to trash Perry.
Maybe Huckabee is having second thoughts, or someone already promised him the VP slot.
Maybe Gov. Branstad, Sen Grassley, and Rep. Steve King are using Deace as a proxy because Perry refuses to support Federal subsidies for corn ethanol or wind power.
My cognitive dissonance is complete today. Molly Ball at The Atlantic is relying on Deace today as to who benefits if Cain does drop out! Is that because Michelle Bachmann revealed she reads The Atlantic?
Maybe Huckabee is still mad @Perry for endorsing Giuliani
sunshinek67 (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 12:11AM EDT (link)instead of him. My Q earlier was this Iowa conservative evangelical & their significance. If any.
sunshine, Huckabee is angry at Perry IMO because of just what you said. Deace seems to trash anyone that's running against Bachmann
avagreen Wednesday, November 30th at 12:47AM EDT (link)http://coloredopinions.blogspot.com/2011/07/steve-deace-pushing-bachmann-trashing.html
Besides being a former supporter of Huckabee:
http://iowaindependent.com/52266/steve-deace-has-resigned-from-who-am
Looks to me like Deace and Huckabee are pushing Bachmann as a tag-team, and Perry for all the reasons I’ve listed.
BTW, thanks for the compliment. *blushing*
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
should have said "against Perry for all the reason I've listed"
avagreen Wednesday, November 30th at 12:51AM EDT (link)no text
Plus, Bachmann and Perry are vying for the same evangelical votes.
Notice the one person not playing this game?
Perry.
(Reagan’s 11th commandment)
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
Sorry, sunshine, I'm not sure what you are asking here.....
avagreen Tuesday, November 29th at 11:33PM EDT (link)??
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
I was curious to know what your thoughts were on this focus
sunshinek67 (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 12:17AM EDT (link)group in Iowa. Lizzie seems to have provided great insight, makes sense that Deace is pushing someone OTHER than Perry. You, along with several other RS-posters here always offer some very good points to consider. Makes me feel better to read rational common sense, especially when it comes to Governor Perry. This primary season has been brutal for this supporter here.
Love Rush, Can't Stand Hannity
jdbird Friday, December 2nd at 4:10PM EDT (link)Mostly Hannity’s style when talking to and interviewing people he disagrees with just rubs me the wrong way. it’s more bully tactics than actual argument and reason. Plus he’s always repeating himself. Yes, we know Obama was friends with Bill Ayers, is there nothing more recent to discuss? just obnoxious.
Is there a conspiracy?
Common_Cents (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 12:12AM EDT (link)Again, if Perry can’t get massive support in primary among Republicans being a stellar conservative, how is he going to do it in the general against the vicious left?
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
Common Cents, I've got the same kinds of questions
lineholder (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 8:49PM EDT (link)I’ve been watching and waiting to see if Perry would connect with voters across a broad spectrum in a way that would lend Conservatives enough of a head-wind to stand against the onslaught of the left in months to come. Because that is exactly what will happen.
Somehow, for some reason, that connection just hasn’t happened. It isn’t that he isn’t qualified, because he is. And I don’t think claims of a conspiracy against him are the answer to that question either.
Considering that in a race Obama vs. X, X wins..
snowshooze (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 9:34PM EDT (link)We should not even consider rhinoing as a desparate last ditch emergency effort at this point.
There is no emergency. Our guy goes to the Presidency if he doesn’t do something really really stupid.
I don’t understand why Perry slumped in the polls… I listen to what he says.. not how he says it, or how many times he says it and I do not give points for playing the rock star.
All I can think of is what my old Uncle says.. ” People are stupid ”
And so he must be correct if they are basing their selection on gameshow standards.
snowshooze, "people are stupid" doesn't quite fit either
lineholder (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 11:38PM EDT (link)It’s an unusual phenomenon to say the least, especially given the circumstances.
It's the intangible, unable to inspire confidence that he can beat obama
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 12:29AM EDT (link)The saying is its not what you do or say, but how you make people feel. Candidates must inspire confidence that we will beat obama.
Secondly, I wonder if there is a Perry/Bush link in peoples minds. That would be a powerful deterrent for many. It would explain his inability to regain traction. Bush will be treated much kinder by history, but it might take a decade or two to get there.
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
So true we let the LSM define Perry for us
tomatin Tuesday, November 29th at 1:26AM EDT (link)It’s probably the biggest tragedy of this years election.
I still remember 2008 when the Dumbocrats were debating and Obama was terrible at first. I didn’t watch them but that was the talk of the internet. But of course the LSM was in the tank for Obama like they are now.
Yet the same thing happens to Perry and we let the LSM define Perry as “unelectable” because of some early debates. Every conservative needs to give Perry a second look. I like Gingrich OK but face it Perry would offer the only real contrast.
Talk about an unfair advantage, Romney has been running for 6 years as president with no other worries. So of course he’s going to come off as a safe debater. Perry was trying to run a state for goodness sake.
The most important thing is like you said he’s getting better much better but will the media give him credit, no way.
Tomatin, you are right Perry was running a very large state when Mitt was out honing his debate
sunshinek67 (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 12:20AM EDT (link)skills. Perry can “lose” the next 10 debates and I will still support him. He has character and he has a good record~
How much damage is the conservative media doing to Perry?
cheetah2 (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 4:25AM EDT (link)I’ve been thinking that this is the main reason he is polling so low. So many conservatives are in the habit of relying on the judgement of conservative talk radio and Fox News.
I believe that if the conservative media had promoted Perry as they did Herman Cain, or even just given him a fair shake, he would be in a far different position now. He would have thrived on the positive media attention because he is a serious candidate and is working hard to improve. If he had been nurtured as Obama was by the media he may have done better with everything, even the debates.
Perry would never complain about all this. He obviously chooses to work with the reality of the situation and is not given to self pity or making excuses. I am not trying to make excuses for him either. I’m just speculating about why he is having such a struggle in the polls.
I have no sympathy for the conservative media because I saw from the start that Cain’s campaign was nothing but a joke, and those guys are way smarter than me, so I believe they knew it too.
I am just hoping that in view of the disaster Herman Cain’s campaign has become, that the conservative media will lose credibility because of the way they shamelessly promoted him.
I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222
Blame Perry, Not Media
haroldhervey Wednesday, November 30th at 1:15PM EDT (link)As a former Perry supporter I’m realistic enough to understand that he has no one but himself to blame for his decline in the polls. The media didn’t make Perry stammer and stumble in the debates. The media didn’t create the “oops” moment and the media didn’t forget that the voting age is 18 (not 21) and that the 2012 election will not be on November 12th. That’s all Perry fault.
Parry doesn’t need to make excuses because he has too many people like you making excuses for him.. We must move past Perry (he’s as finished as Cain is) and think about the other worthy candidates.
The birther issue? Really?
texashistorian (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 5:35PM EDT (link)So is it really a big deal that Sheriff Joe wonder if the President is a natural born citizen? Arpaio gives Perry the credit he deserves for his stance on border security issues. The birther thing is nought but a silly side issue. After all, didn’t our current chief executive get elected easily despite demonstrable connections to far more insidious beliefs as held by Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers? If Perry is the nominee, how does this hurt him? Because some think birthers are loons? Perry isn’t a birther, and Arpaio isn’t endorsing Perry because of his views on Obama’s birth certificate.
The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.
- Paul Johnson
Oops!
texashistorian (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 5:36PM EDT (link)Got this posted in the wrong place–a Perry moment . . .
The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.
- Paul Johnson
Not a single vote has yet been cast.
cheetah2 (Diary) Friday, December 2nd at 3:12AM EDT (link)no one “must”move past the candidate they feel is most qualified., as long as that person remains in the race.
This is my opportunity to support the person who I think is best, regardless of where he stands in the polls, and part of supporting him is telling others why I think they ought to support him too.
It is sad that you would give up so easily and so early on a candidate that you once believed in. As for myself, I am willing to wait and see and give Rick Perry a chance to improve his performance on the national stage. At the beginning he said he expected to improve every day, and I think that he is.
All candidates misspeak at times. Obama for one, surely holds the record in the gaffe department. Michelle Bachmann just the other day talked about how we should get rid of our embassy in Iran. (It already went away in 1980.)
Some things candidates say are worse than gaffes. For example, Newt Gingrich was just today I believe rather unkindly slamming the children of poor people. (a much more offensive remark than getting the legal voting age wrong in my book.) He also is running around saying HE will be the nominee for sure. Just a bit conceited isn’t he? I don’t find that kind of attitude particularly endearing.
When the time arrives that we have a Republican nominee, then I will be standing behind that person whoever it turns out to be. But I don’t feel obliged to switch to a less desirable candidate just yet, thank you.
I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222
Excellent post.
jgge Wednesday, November 30th at 9:53PM EDT (link)It is a disgrace how the conservative media and Foxnews treated Perry. They way overblown the debates performances and made them as the most important qualifications/disqualifications for President. What a shame.
Anyway I am with Perry till the end. By far he has the best governing record of all the candidates. I am someone who goes by actions and records not by meaningless 30 second sound bytes and 3 seconds zingers in silly debates. Presidents do not govern in 30 seconds sound bytes.
We need a doer not a talker!
cheetah2 (Diary) Friday, December 2nd at 3:20AM EDT (link)and Perry is a doer with the record to prove it.
I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222
Gingrich is not a doer
tomatin Friday, December 2nd at 3:23AM EDT (link)As speaker he did a bunch to pass a national conservative agenda.
Great products sell themselves
hoosierchristian Tuesday, November 29th at 10:54AM EDT (link)Perry has the record. Perry has the values. Perry is without the baggage. Perry represents the starkest contrast against Obama that independents can still vote for.
I don’t get the people that say “yeah, he’s great but he can’t sell himself”. If he’s having trouble selling himself, then why don’t YOU help him? When I buy a product that I’m happy with, I tell all my family and friends about it. I recommend it unreservedly.
Don’t be the guy who LOVES that new television show but doesn’t talk about it with friends and co-workers then goes bitching and moaning about how the show was cancelled because “no one” watched it.
Perry deserves our support. He is the most viable conservative in the hunt, Newt less so. He is the only candidate with the machine and the money to go head-to-head with Romney and if conservatives don’t rally around Perry early then Romney is the most likely nomination as a result.
It’s easy to be a Monday morning quarterback when you’re not on the field Sunday afternoon. This time next year, we should all be able to say “look what we did” with pride instead of “look what happened” with disgust.
555
supergirl2911 Tuesday, November 29th at 1:07PM EDT (link)Nt
Well said!
paladin1 (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 10:07PM EDT (link)I am at a loss to understand this phenomenon. Perry has everything he needs to be a powerhouse in this contest. Support, Support, Support!!!
Go Gov.!
“I will work every day to make Washington, DC as inconsequential in your life as I can.”
Governor Rick Perry, Texas
And now he brings the fight back home to Texas. What a man of class! 01/19/12
Agreed, wholeheartedly....
nathanalbright (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 12:56AM EDT (link)….that’s why I’m pretty vocal here (and elsewhere).
Because despite the fact that everyone talks about not letting the media choose the candidate
gator_hoo (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 11:12AM EDT (link)Conervatives are buying the media’s “Perry is dumb” spin hand over fist. Perry has helped this some, but what (with two exceptions) have been relatively small gaffes, the media has focused in on these.
Also, a lot of places that are considered conservative media, are showing themselves to be Establishment Republican media, even in the blogosphere. In addition, a lot of Palin supporters have convinced themselves that Perry knocked her out of running, and say they won’t vote for him for that reason. Indeed, I think it is this group, who are generally core conservatives, that would vote for Perry, that is hurting him the most.
Interesting about Palin, I thought Palin/Perry were chummy?
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 11:22AM EDT (link)Is that not the case anymore?
Perry needs a high profile endorsement from Palin to get some momentum back.
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
I've heard just the opposite
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 11:25AM EDT (link)in fact, I’ve heard they’ve never been on friendly terms.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
My theory on Perry is Rove brought him down
tomatin Friday, December 2nd at 3:27AM EDT (link)Face it Rove has huge pull in conservative media and he does not like Perry.
We all know Rove is the king of the whisper campaigns and that along with Perry’s gaffes are why he never got a fair look.
Sometimes we have to look behind the curtain folks.
Perry Will Lose
donald_24 Tuesday, November 29th at 12:28AM EDT (link)As I said many times over, Perry will lose in the primary because he has virtually no support outside the South. He is a regional candidate. He has zero support in places like the northeast and northwest. All that is Romney territory. Only Romney can go into places like NY, Illinois, and California, and win their delegates.
Romney isn't going to win any of those states in the General....
nathanalbright (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 12:31AM EDT (link)….and he might not even win any of those states in the primary, so let’s let the votes go on.
Your right
donald_24 Tuesday, November 29th at 12:40AM EDT (link)Romney will lose those states badly in the general. But the primary is a whole different ball game.
I think Romney can do well in California. A lot of people out there hate Perry because he stole all their jobs, including some Republicans. They feel betrayed by that. Romney was born in Michigan so he will win that in the primary. Utah he wil obvivously win. Nevada has the 2nd largest Mormon population in the country, so he will win there. He will win Massachusetts. And Romney seems to be the favorite among the Wall St. crowd and the northeastern moderates, so I can see him winning NJ, NY, and Connecticut.
So that leaves us with the South, which Romney will lose, and most of the midwest. The only northeastern state where Romney stands a very good chance of losing is Pennsylvania.
I am in California and conservatives out here
Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 12:45AM EDT (link)envy Texas, we don’t hate it. Good lord, how is that people like you Donald are just so dumb about stuff? Are you like 18?
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
hey, way to connect with the clever personal attacks tbone!
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 9:20PM EDT (link)I love reading all your insightful remarks!
Sorry, the gross stupidity of some posters
Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 9:56PM EDT (link)is just so overwhelming. And, thank the person who is reading my remarks to you for me.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Hey Tbone.
gekster (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 10:06PM EDT (link)farmers been out in the sun too long.
His comments today have been at least half baked.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
No ff is doing the best he can
Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 10:29PM EDT (link)with what he has to work with. We need to be kind and supportive in his journey to enlightenment.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
i truly enjoy your comments tbone
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 11:13PM EDT (link)You have my full permission to make any low blow personal insult against me you want. Don’t hold back. And if I slip up again and respond in kind, be sure to remind me to apologize again. I will.
I get it now. It’s highly entertaining.
Umm, donald? The Illinois primary is pretty late..
acat (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 12:51AM EDT (link)as are New York and California. It’ll all be decided by the time they vote, it may not be clinched, but they will be able only to force a brokered convention, not change the nominee.
See for yourself, here’s the calendar . Pretty clearly shows that it’ll likely all be over by early April, and that the South goes early.
It was a lovely theory, donald .. too bad it conflicted with the facts.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Perry stole jobs from CA?
greyeagle Wednesday, November 30th at 11:32PM EDT (link)What garbage is that? CA should make the state more business friendly. The state has increased taxes so much on business, they can no longer stay there. They went to see Perry and he sold them on TX, so a lot of companies moved there. CA used to be a nice state, I lived there in the 60′s and 70′s. It is not true now. Lots of people are leaving because the cost of living is so high. TX has a low cost of living and I love it. Just like I like Governor Perry.
I hope, greyeagle, that the influx of Californians doesn't curdle Texas...
acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 11:35PM EDT (link)Y’all have got to set up re-education programs around Dallas!
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Exactly who cares if he can go there
tomatin Tuesday, November 29th at 12:50AM EDT (link)It would be a waste of time anyway.
donald.. you completely missed most of the country..
onemovoter (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 1:03AM EDT (link)Romney barely has support outside the northeast and the west coast. There is the entire rest of the country that he doesn’t have support in. That is why he lost in 2008. That is why he will lose again.
It is why Romney can only get 25% max, The other non-Romney’s have been polling above him. If this council does it homework they will pick Perry.
“Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain, and most fools do.”- Benjamin Franklin
“I don’t make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.”- Will Rogers
Nothing like a warmed over piece of meat-loaf
snowshooze (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 9:38PM EDT (link)Hey, I didn’t want that the first time it was warmed over..
McCain beat this guy.
We all know how that turned out.
So McCain beat him, and McCain wasn’t good enough last time… what has changed?
Romney is STILL unemployed. Looks the same to me.
Conversely donald_24,
paladin1 (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 10:14PM EDT (link)Romney will not carry much of the south because we have much the same opinion of him as northeasterners and northwesterners do of Perry (in reverse)–that is; Romney is too slick, says whatever he needs to, to his target audience and acts too much like a superior carpetbagger. You can check your history books for that depiction but carpetbaggers didn’t go over too well down here.
“I will work every day to make Washington, DC as inconsequential in your life as I can.”
Governor Rick Perry, Texas
And now he brings the fight back home to Texas. What a man of class! 01/19/12
I don't
trevorb (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 5:18AM EDT (link)I don’t support any particular candidate at the moment, though I’ve leaned towards one or the other. One of the only ones I’ve written off from any consideration is Romney. I don’t like him, I don’t trust him, and I don’t think he can win.
For those Perry supporters who might be worried about the recent poll numbers: polls mean very little at this stage of the game. Things can change very quickly once the primaries actually begin.
As for Texas, the miracle depends on your perspective. I wouldn’t call it a miracle since their unemployment is still relatively high, although I admit a good part of that is because it’s had a major increase in population over the last few years. Nevertheless, compared to where I live (California) it looks pretty good.
Trev... you are right... Texas is no miracle..
iidvbii Tuesday, November 29th at 6:48AM EDT (link)It is actually the result of a lot of hardwork, good choices and blessings from god. Our economy isn’t perfect but it is little worse from the wear of this down turn and that’s the point. Our leaders over the years positioned us to have staying power so we could whether some hard times. I fear though their are changes on the horizon even Texas cannot withstand. Healthcare, Green Energy policies, Unionized Labor Policies and federal tax policies I fear will destroy us all. Even my beloved Texas will sink to its knees beneath the weight of socialist Washington. We have a proven formula here to offer the rest of the country.
1. Low steady tax rates
2. Unobtrusive regulatory standards
3. Business friendly legal policy (loser pays, capped restitution)
4. Individual responsibility as a governing philosophy
Texas is no miracle, it is a repeatable pattern. A system that with dedication and hard work can deliver the same results nationally as well. Rick Perry knows this system better than anybody. Won’t you give him a chance?
In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?
Better than Texas
hoosierchristian Tuesday, November 29th at 11:04AM EDT (link)Imagine a state making the kinds of wise choices that Texas has made over the course of a decade, but one which is not saddled with the burden of carrying so many low-skilled, English-challenged immigrants? Talk about a boom!
Romney (and the LSM) loves to attack Perry for Texas’ low standings in national rankings without mentioning the obvious fact that most of it is because of Texas’ unique situation with the Mexican border. That wouldn’t be PC to mention though and besides, it makes Perry look bad.
Just imagine if a Michigan, Ohio or Pennsylvania had a friendly tax and regulatory environment, tort reform, pro-growth energy policies, etc. in place! Throw in right-to-work laws and a balanced budget and you’re talking about the next boom state in the Union!
It doesn’t take a miracle. It just takes the common sense to enact policies which are proven to work and to end those which have proven otherwise.
Rick Perry is the sole candidate in the race with a record of accomplishment. It’s my prayer those accomplishments can be NATIONAL in scope, and not just stay in the Lone Star State.
Yes, that's our goal
texabama Tuesday, November 29th at 5:17PM EDT (link)to have a smaller more fiscally responsible federal government and to return most of government’s functions to the state.
if texas didnt want all the mexican illegals it could do like arizona and other states
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 9:24PM EDT (link)And do something about it. Instead, they give them the benefits of Texas citizenship and oppose the best program to prevent their hiring, everify.
E-verify is a pipe dream
izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 9:33PM EDT (link)Politicians love to talk about it but they would never have to use it.
Business does not want the added cost and burden of doing what the Federal Government should be doing. E-Verify is not verifying 50% of the time.
Just what we need. Another mandated government boondoggle that drains profits, does not work and does not protect the employer. No thanks.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
E-verify I have never used. I don't think it helps anything.
snowshooze (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 9:43PM EDT (link)The I-9 form is clear. You either have the required government issued identification, or you do not.
If you don’t have that, I don’t hire you.
It’s against the law.
I must be all alone out here by myself in the cold, thinking that way.
Fake ID
donald_24 Wednesday, November 30th at 9:47PM EDT (link)Lots of illegals have fake ID, so E-Verify adds a 2nd layer of security.
Well snowy, it's not that simple.
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 9:56PM EDT (link)If a prospective employee shows up with a fake SS card and a fake DL, as an employer you are not required, nor are you even allowed, to make a judgment on their authenticity. You fill out the form, sign it and put it in their file.
I had an employee get flagged from a I-9 audit for a SS#
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 10:00PM EDT (link)Gave the employee time to resolve the issue, dismissed after amount of time. Later got hassled by the DOL. An illegal went to the DOL and they helped him. LOL
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
Well.. if I have no choice other than e-verify..
snowshooze (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 10:02PM EDT (link)It isn’t a big deal with me. Obviously, the ‘puter is sitting right here.
But do you honestly believe that the larger component of illegal hire is associated with forged documents?
No, I think the lions share has to do with lack of integrity.
e verify is the best way to stop illegal immigration
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 9:45PM EDT (link)I don’t understand conservative opposition to it. Of course businesses that rely on cheap illegal labor oppose it. It just alerts the parties that there is a mismatch between the i9 and other records. Seems like a nobrainer for conservatives. If you think the gov should run the searches instead, fine, but somebody should do it.
Bullets are even more effective.
snowshooze (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 10:05PM EDT (link)How you going to stop illegal immigration? E-verify!!!
That will keep them in Mexico.
Be serious.
E-Verify adds a bureaucratic hoop for businesses, as well as ...
acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 11:16PM EDT (link)a potential problem for victims of identity theft – “Your SSN came back flagged” – and also only stops illegal immigrants who are coming here looking for work.
E-Verify does nothing to stop drug or human traffic, it does not reduce the threat of cross-border gang activity, nor does it stop terrorists.
Tell me again what your focus is, federalfarmer – do you just want the brown people to go away, or do you want a safer country?
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
E-Verify
donald_24 Wednesday, November 30th at 9:49PM EDT (link)E-Verify only drains the profits of employers who rely on cheap illegal immigrant labor. Employers already run criminal background checks and credit checks, so doing an immigration check really is not that hard.
E-verify is a joke
tyman Wednesday, November 30th at 10:04PM EDT (link)For anyone that thinks e-verify is the answer, they haven’t studied it very much.
First, as you say, it was proposed as a government mandate for something that the Federal Gov’t should do (one of the few roles of government: enforcing our borders). Like businesses need more government telling them how to run their business.
Next, it only verifies a Social Security number so it doesn’t even catch ID theft.
Perhaps the biggest thing is that E-verify ONLY works once you’ve hired someone. If it’s an illegal, the employer cannot fire them until they’ve exhausted their “due process”. Since they’re illegal, and won’t be deported, what do they do? Go to the next job and this gets repeated over and over again.
That’s why Gov. Perry opposed it: it’s a government mandate, and it simply is NOT effective (surprise, surprise, like most things government related).
Perry’s a lot more immigration savvy than the LSM is giving him credit for.
E-Verify is very effective and if it was mandatory
westcoastpatriette (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 10:42PM EDT (link)for all employers, it would be the most effective way to deter illegals coming here for jobs.
There is a lot of bloviating about it, but most of what I have read on this thread is inaccurate.
For one, all that E-Verify does is verify if the person is authorized to work in this country. The info is run through several data bases and if there is a mismatch the employee is notified and given a short period of time to correct the info. Of the 230.000 employers already using the system, there are less than 3% that come back as a mismatch. Also, the employee is not required to do anything except fire the person who is not authorized to work here–there is no requirement that they notify ICE, Homeland Security, etc.
The GAO has a website where you can go see the specifics of the program and things they are doing to improve it. One thing they are working on is to also be able to identify multiple uses of the same SS# and so identify stolen numbers. Most employers who use it say it is simple and gives them more confidence that they are not hiring illegals.
The main reason it is fought against is because there are employers who don’t want to comply with the laws that prevent them from hiring illegals, but since the Supreme Court upheld Arizona’s mandatory E-Verify law, more and more states are going to be implementing the program. At that point, the feds will probably get off their butts and–with pressure from the business community, make E-Verify mandatory so that all states have uniform laws across the nation.
Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise His name in the dance: let them sing praises unto Him with the timbrel and harp. Psalm 149:1-3
Identity Theft
donald_24 Wednesday, November 30th at 10:49PM EDT (link)That’s yet another advantage of mandatory E-Verify. We can crack down on identity theft. Kill 2 birds with one stone. I don’t see mandatory E-Verify being passed on the federal level, but there is a good chance we can see states pass their own bills. Governors can also sign executive orders mandating E-Verify for all companies doing business with the state or receiving state grants or tax credits. That’s something that can be done tomorrow.
federalfarmer1
greyeagle Wednesday, November 30th at 11:23PM EDT (link)E-verify only works about 50% of the time. Benefits of TX citizenship?
The border is 1200 miles. Obama cut the funding for billing the fence in less than 50% of what was funded. No boots on the ground, aviation assets or drones. Just exactly how do you expect to control the influx of illegals? Arizona is being sued by the Federal Government, so they can’t implement the law. Your comments make no sense.
where does your number come from?
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 11:37PM EDT (link)Wikipedia cites a report stating its 99% accurate and it is improving. Lots of states are mandating it. It’s not much of a burden on business and it does have a deterrent effect in states where its been implemented.
The lawsuits aganst Arizona are frivolous and Obama will lose.
Opposition to everify is mostly from big ag business that likes cheap illegals.
I don’t care about a wall.
If ones goal is to eliminate illegal immigration in a low cost humane way, its hard to beat everify.
Texas Economy
donald_24 Wednesday, November 30th at 9:56PM EDT (link)Texas has nothing special about its economy when you compare it to places with substantialy less unemployment like North Dakota and Nebraska. New York currently has a lower unemployment rate than Texas. The Texas unemployment rate is only half a percent lower than the national rate. Again, nothing to brag about. If you want to see REAL economic growth, look at North Dakota. Both states have low taxes, fiscally conservative politicians, agriculture, and oil. Yet North Dakota is doing 10 million times better.
North Dakota
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 10:05PM EDT (link)is still in the early stages of an oil boom. It is an outlier.
Texas has had low unemployment for quite a long time. And low tax rates, but good public services.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Where do you think everyone has moved?
tyman Wednesday, November 30th at 10:17PM EDT (link)Texas! That’s why it’s the 2nd most populated state in the country.
New York has a lower unemployment rate because why? People left for Texas and other states looking for work.
It’s called cause and effect.
Yes, Texas IS special about its economy particularly because it has held up well in spite of the population boom!
North Dakota is the third least populous state, and coupled with the need for oil workers, it stands to reason that its jobless rate is low.
Percentages are funny things. If I have a dollar and you have $.10, I have ten times more than you do.
BTW, Texas is a very red state and it is no secret that Obama has unleashed the EPA and Dept. of Energy to really stick it to Texas. That’s another reason I’m a Perry supporter: I want Perry to take Obama to task on this, and then take Obama’s job so that he can fix it. And Perry knows more about this than anybody running.
Texas and Illegals
donald_24 Wednesday, November 30th at 10:22PM EDT (link)Texas might have created the most jobs, but who did those jobs go to? That is an even more important question.
“•Of jobs created in Texas since 2007, 81 percent were taken by newly arrived immigrant workers (legal and illegal).”
•”Of newly arrived immigrants who took a job in Texas, 93 percent were not U.S. citizens. Thus government data show that more than three-fourths of net job growth in Texas were taken by newly arrived non-citizens (legal and illegal).”
•”Of newly arrived immigrants who took jobs in Texas since 2007, we estimate that 50 percent (113,000) were illegal immigrants. Thus, about 40 percent of all the job growth in Texas since 2007 went to newly arrived illegal immigrants and 40 percent went to newly arrived legal immigrants.”
http://cis.org/immigrants-filled-most-new-jobs-in-Texas
CIS Study
donald_24 Wednesday, November 30th at 10:25PM EDT (link)I know Perry supporters are very quick to dismiss the CIS study, so here is a link to the PolitFact analysis of the study’s claims. Politifact did indeed find that “immigrants still got a disproportionate share of new jobs.”
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/19/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-hits-rick-perry-saying-40-percent-texa/
It's been a long day...
tyman Wednesday, November 30th at 10:46PM EDT (link)Some of this may be true, but at the end of the day businesses hired workers.
There are a lot of states where the economy is so depressed that they don’t need the workers. Parking lots that used to have Mexican workers looking for work are empty because there’s no work to be had.
So something about the business climate in Texas is very positive because businesses have hired workers. Industries in Georgia and other states have simply slowed production or shut down.
Let’s face it…a lot of states have industries that use a high percentage of immigrant workers, so Texas isn’t alone in that boat.
Again, if this is so easy to do, why hasn’t Obama or any other state been able to replicate it?
If you look at the numbers, there will never be a higher percentage of high paying jobs than lower. Just basic economics. That’s why professional athletes earn more…they’re fewer in number than, say, teachers, or garbage collectors.
You should change your name to donald the left winger.
gekster (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 10:34PM EDT (link)Texas can’t deport them, as per federal law, and it’s Perrys fault.
The fact that the majority of created jobs were taken by illegals is
also Perrys fault I suppose.
Show me where he put in a state program that gave tax breaks and incentives to anyone hireing illegals.
Tell me how he can stop employers from hiring illegals.
And don’t say E-verify.
Other posters have already shown what a joke that is.
Why don’t you just save time and bandwidth and say you hate Perry.
Make your life simpler.
And do think about that name change.
donald the leftwinger is more appropriate. And I’m not talking hockey.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
Perry and Immigration
donald_24 Wednesday, November 30th at 10:42PM EDT (link)So I am a left winger who supports mandatory e-verify and Arizona/ Alabama style immigration laws?
You want to know how Perry could have stopped illegal immigration without E-Verify? I will tell you. He could have outlawed Sancuatray cities earlier. Yes, I know he already did that, but he only did so right before he announced he was running for president. Where was Perry in 2003? 2004? Perry’s timing of the sancutary city bill was very politically convenient.
The Governor can only sign what the Legislature sends him, Donald.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 10:46PM EDT (link)Perhaps a Texan can let us know when the ledge first passed an anti-sanctuary bill?
Mew
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Yes, I know
donald_24 Wednesday, November 30th at 10:53PM EDT (link)Yes, he can only sign what they send him. But he can push them to pass the bill both privately and publicly. Travel around the state to gather support for the bill. There are a lot of things a governor can do to put pressure on the state legislature. It should not be that hard considering that Perry and the state house are all Republicans.
See, "sanctuary cities" (Chicago is, de facto, one) aren't the problem.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 11:29PM EDT (link)Closing the border is the problem.
Stop the flow, and the sanctuary city problem will sort itself out in time. 80 years at most.
Mew
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The Arizona Immigration Law was all sound and fury.
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 10:54PM EDT (link)And only accomplished getting Jan Brewer – who didn’t support the law through the legislative process – elected.
In fact, Arizona as had law on the books for decades to the effect that if a cop asks you for a photo id, you can be arrested on the spot and held until you can prove who you are. That, in fact, is how most illegals got arrested here before SB1070. When I spoke to several senior Phoenix PD officers about 1070, they instantly offered that the only change after the law was that they could expect every arrest to be challenged by a La Raza lawyer where before they didn’t.
Oh, and both Phoenix and Tucson are still sanctuary cities. Stopping local municipalities from becoming “sanctuary cities” doesn’t even begin to put a dent in illegal immigration. Your ignorance is manifest.
So if nothing works
donald_24 Wednesday, November 30th at 11:03PM EDT (link)So if all you guys are saying that E-Verify and outlawing sancutary cities does not stop illegal immigration, that what should we do? Nothing? Should we militarize the border like the North and South Korean border?
Perry proposes (and has) put boots on the ground. Only thing that can work.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 11:26PM EDT (link)Fixed fortifications (Maginot line, Great Wall of China, border fence) are useless over time, only boots have the desired permanent effect.
It’d also help, as Mexico tips further into civil war, to have the right kind of first responders in place to deal both with the inevitable refuges and the potential incursions.
Mew
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Bill banning 'sanctuary cities' in Texas put on hold
gekster (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 11:17PM EDT (link)Bill banning ‘sanctuary cities’ in Texas put on hold
excerpt:
AUSTIN — After five hours of contentious, emotional debate, a bill banning “sanctuary cities” in Texas was postponed by the Texas House after opponents found a technical record-keeping error that made it ineligible for consideration Friday evening.
But Solomons argued that his proposal, one of Gov. Rick Perry’s legislative priorities, would simply create “a uniform and consistent policy” among Texas law enforcement agencies about how to deal with the immigration status of persons detailed in criminal investigations.
Perry has done what he can, it is up to the legislature.
and note: If your postings didn’t sound lefty, I wouldn’t say it.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”
No real need to ban sanctuary cities
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 11:25PM EDT (link)Cities and states can’t deport people, but they can give them a one way ticket to sanctuary cities.
1. will overwhelm sanctuary cities with cost burden, a good thing for liberal cities to waste their money
2. will force them to change their policy, admitting sanctuary does not work.
Make these idiots put their money where their mouths are or admit there is a problem.
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
While I like the idea, Common_Cents .. the problem is...
acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 11:33PM EDT (link)those same cities will come, hat in hand, to the State for a bail-out…
Only instead of just the $$$ for the illegal problem, it’ll be the $$$+$$, i.e. the illegal problem plus the usual liberal urban graft and corruption.
If I’m a sheriff in rural Arkansas, I’m not sending anyone to Little Rock, I’ll send ‘em to Memphis or Tulsa or St. Louis or Jackson, MS – depending on where the next Greyhound is pointing… get ‘em out of the State.
Doesn’t work quite as well in Illinois…
Mew
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kowalski...percentages
tyman Wednesday, November 30th at 10:30PM EDT (link)To finish what I was saying about percentages. They’re all relative.
If I have that dollar, and I find $.10, I’ve got a $1.10 (only a 10% increase).
However, if you find $.10, then you’ve doubled your original amount.
But you still don’t have very much, comparatively speaking.
Texas’ population is over 22,000,000 and North Dakota is less than 700k.
If Obama and/or anybody else running wants to take issue with the “low wage jobs” created in Texas. If it’s no big deal, why hasn’t Obama replicated it? Obama needs to thank his lucky stars for Texas, otherwise the economy would be even worse.
Just posted
supergirl2911 Tuesday, November 29th at 1:14PM EDT (link)A comment about Perry campaign. They have excellent messaging communication. I receive a daily email indicating where He is in the news. It linked this article. It is positive and focused and I am excited. I think he can win and will win.
"Perry fits the bill in every category, INCLUDING immigration
lizzie Tuesday, November 29th at 2:44PM EDT (link)http://www.rickperry.org/news/citing-strong-criminal-justice-and-border-security-record-sheriff-joe-arpaio-endorses-gov-rick-perry-for-president/
In addition to Sheriff Joe’s endorsement, this new post hammers point by poin everything Rick Perry has done to tackle illegal immigration in his ten years as governor of Texas.
Perry’s “fatal flaw” on supporting a veto-proof decision by Texans in 2001 on in-state tutition is NOT a magnet. ANYONE with one year of Texas residency qualifies for in-state tuition EXCEPT the children of illegals. The GOP let ROMNEY make this an issue? Come to Massachusetts where I am sitting, and see why no one should trust the job-killing Romney on anything. Sorry, but Romney makes John Kerry look principled.
Does the GOP realize that they have turned their nominating contest into a national joke by obsessing over illegal immigration?
What happened to JOBS, repeal of Obamacare, the DEFICIT???????
Yes Iowa conservatives should coalesce around Perry
hls87 Tuesday, November 29th at 2:48PM EDT (link)But will they?
They should also lose about 30 lbs on average, get 20 minutes of vigorous exercise every day, brush after every meal and floss every evening. People often fail to do what they should do. More’s the pity.
Perry's Newletter today
bzip Tuesday, November 29th at 5:47PM EDT (link)In today news letter from Team Perry this diary was mentioned;
“RedState – “Iowa Conservatives should coalesce around Perry”: Last week, CNN reported that leading Iowa social conservatives were secretly meeting to determine who to endorse and coalesce around to avoid a Romney nomination… Perry is the only guy left … he has had strong debate performances, and reminded social conservatives, war hawks and fiscal conservatives why he is their guy. He has released an optional flat tax, discussed privatized social security and essentially pledged to go to war with Iran. (Full Article)”
In the same news letter today was;
Citing Strong Criminal Justice and Border Security Record, Sheriff Joe Arpaio Endorses Gov. Rick Perry for President
“RickPerry.org – “Citing Strong Criminal Justice and Border Security Record, Sheriff Joe Arpaio Endorses Gov. Rick Perry for President”: Texas Gov. Rick Perry today received the endorsement of Sheriff Joe Arpaio, a steadfast advocate for border security and national leader in combating on illegal immigration, citing Gov. Perry’s unmatched efforts to bolster border security in Texas in light of a federal government that for too long has abdicated this basic responsibility to the states. Sheriff Arpaio made his announcement at Joey’s Diner in Amherst, New Hampshire. (Full Article)”
Sheriff Joe Arpaio Endorses Rick Perry for President (VIDEO)
izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 6:08PM EDT (link)Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Don't get it
Lucas Black Tuesday, November 29th at 6:45PM EDT (link)I still don’t understand why he had him up in NH and not in IA where I think he’d do more good. The Perry campaign really doesn’t seem to be all that clever.
I am sure Joe will swing on down to Iowa as well
izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 9:35PM EDT (link)Perry is not going to announce what he is doing for the competition.
Perry has plenty of tricks up his sleeves.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
I've
trevorb (Diary) Tuesday, November 29th at 11:09PM EDT (link)I’ve heard the complaints about Perry and how he once assisted Al Gore. Here’s what I can point out: Ronald Reagan was once a democrat. The response he gave was: “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party; they left me.”
You got it, trevorb!
avagreen Tuesday, November 29th at 11:17PM EDT (link)^^
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
"White, rich..."?!?
determinedconservative Wednesday, November 30th at 4:35AM EDT (link)I am for Perry (though I’m open to other conservative alternatives to Mittens and I agree we need to coalesce around a single conservative candidate to take him on), but I don’t agree with demonizing Gingrich or anyone else for being “white and rich”. C’mon, I thought that kind of class and race politics was for Democrats.
On Second Day in N.H., Rick Perry Pushes Right to Work Bill
bzip Wednesday, November 30th at 1:37PM EDT (link)On Second Day in N.H., Rick Perry Pushes Right to Work Bill
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/on-second-day-in-n-h-rick-perry-pushes-right-to-work-bill/
A few Perry articles and news
bzip Wednesday, November 30th at 4:24PM EDT (link)Well we don’t seem to have any threads devoted to Perry on the main board so I think this might be a great spot to talk about and mention Perry news. From Team Perry’s New Letter today;
Fox News – “Perry: Washington ‘Needs and Incredible Overhaul’”: Governor Perry joined Greta van Susteren on her show “On The Record” last night to further discuss his plan to overhaul Washington
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/2011/11/30/perry-washington-needs-incredible-overhaul?utm_source=RaconteurMail&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GovPerryintheNewsNovember30
Fox News – “Mainstream Media Counting Rick Perry Out?”: Governor Perry joins “Fox & Friends” from New Hampshire this morning to discuss campaign strategy
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1301941006001/mainstream-media-counting-rick-perry-out/?playlist_id=86858&utm_source=RaconteurMail&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GovPerryintheNewsNovember30
Rick Perry and Sheriff Joe Arpaio on the Sean Hannity Radio Show
http://youtu.be/Ef9GVwZ62oA
Rick Perry lands coveted Arpaio endorsement; plans to talk to thousands of Iowans tonight
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/29/perry-lands-coveted-endorsement-plans-to-talk-to-thousands-of-iowans-tonight/?utm_source=RaconteurMail&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GovPerryintheNewsNovember30
bzip, about that Sheriff Arpaio endorsement
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 4:33PM EDT (link)and a possible explanation as to why there hasn’t been much mention of it. Apparently, he’s a birther and has a birther posse (that includes Lou Ferrigno of “The Hulk” and actor Steven Seagal) out looking for the real birth certificate.
The Druge Report linked to this story here.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
What? Perry is touring with a birther?
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 4:49PM EDT (link)“I can’t tell you everything, but there could be a shock there somewhere that my guys came up with. I can’t talk too much about it. It’s in the process,” Arpaio told members of the Arizona Tea Party Tuesday night.
Arpaio then referenced Obama’s Social Security number, noting that “there are a couple of things you and nobody else here knows anything about yet that could be a little bit exciting.”
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
What! Your are posting on the same page as PerryKrishnas & other riff-raff?
avagreen Wednesday, November 30th at 4:55PM EDT (link)nt
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
Is Arpaio a birther or not? simple question.
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 5:00PM EDT (link)the answer is yes.
Why is a birther touring with Rick Perry?
Why is there no front page on this endorsement by a birther?
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
We need to get this Arpaio/Perry birther stuff out now. Or obama will use it.
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 5:01PM EDT (link)Just trying to help
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
How do you see Obama using birtherism, Common?
acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 5:10PM EDT (link)You evidently see a risk here. Please explain it.
Do you think Obama is going to release an even-longer-long-form?
I agree birthers aren’t that bright, and that it doesn’t matter where Obama was born, but .. seriously. What’s the harm?
Mew
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ACAT, are you now ok'ing birthers? How much ink was spilled on RS threatening birthers?
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 5:17PM EDT (link)Aren’t birthers are banned on sight? Wasn’t the main reason is its going to give Obama an easy win and make us look stupid?
Cmon, let’s be intellectually honest here Acat. Are you now going to try to wordsmith birthers? That’s a tough line to walk.
Arpaio is a birther.
He just attended a meeting with Orly Taitz in October.
He has a birther posse under auspices of the sheriffs department.
Arpaio endorsed Perry. Didn’t Perry invite Arpaio to tour with him in NH this past week?
and we are worried about 20 yr old baggage? How about the worst baggage you could EVER have against Obama???
BIRTHER BAGGAGE
Rick Perry needs to scuttle Arpaio right now before the damage is done.
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
I see you're a little excitable today, Common_Cents.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 5:22PM EDT (link)There’s a good bit of difference between Red State policy and political expedience. Just ask Donald Trump.
Mew
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You do realize every major candidate courted Arpaio...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 5:42PM EDT (link)For his endorsement, right?
I guess they all wanted that baggage.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
Has the Red State position on known birthers changed??
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 5:47PM EDT (link)I am unaware of that.
Do you have a list of major candidates that courted Arpaio?
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
REead Common Cents, Read
bzip Wednesday, November 30th at 6:00PM EDT (link)You need to read common cents;
Rick Perry lands coveted Arpaio endorsement; plans to talk to thousands of Iowans tonight
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/29/perry-lands-coveted-endorsement-plans-to-talk-to-thousands-of-iowans-tonight/?utm_source=RaconteurMail&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GovPerryintheNewsNovember30
“Arpaio told The Des Moines Register today that his endorsement was courted and he personally spoke with Perry as well as U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, former Godfather’s CEO Herman Cain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney before making his decision.”
It would not surprise if he was courted by others but only mentioned those candidates in the interview. Sheriff Joe is courted by most if not all serious conservatives running for a higher office. Get over it Common Cents you look even stranger then usual.
If Sheriff Joe starts posting on Red State, I'm sure Erick will keep that in mind.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 6:03PM EDT (link)Tell you what, Common Cents. Why don’t you just write a diary detailing every issue you have with the Perry campaign so far?
This tempest in a Pepsi can is getting old.
Mew
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Acat, it seems the unfortunate endorsement front page precedent was already set.
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 6:14PM EDT (link)There was a front page writeup of Andre Bauers unfortunate endorsement of gingrich.
to date, there is no proof Gingrich actively sought the endorsement. There is no proof that gingrich toured with Bauer and actively promoted his endorsement.
It would then be consistent w/ front pagers to do a write up of an unfortunate endorsemet, acceptance and touring of birther Arpaio and Perry.
No?
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
Common_Cents, if you have a problem with the front page, try the contacts link.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 6:19PM EDT (link)If you’re going to throw the punch, throw the damn punch. This ain’t “West Side Story”.
Mew
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Rick Perry: I wouldn’t allow feds to file lawsuits against state immigration laws
bzip Wednesday, November 30th at 5:04PM EDT (link)I forgot to mention yet another great article on Perry.
Rick Perry: I wouldn’t allow feds to file lawsuits against state immigration laws
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/29/rick-perry-i-wouldnt-allow-feds-to-file-lawsuits-against-state-immigration-laws/?utm_source=RaconteurMail&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GovPerryintheNewsNovember30
ACLU
donald_24 Wednesday, November 30th at 5:53PM EDT (link)So the ACLU will file lawsuits. There will be lawsuits one way or another.
And the sun will come up tomorrow, Donald.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 6:08PM EDT (link)The ACLU will file suits until they run out of money. It’s what they do.
Mew
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I am a supporter of Perry's and I do not
runner12 (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 6:02PM EDT (link)see myself changing any time soon. I could care less about the gaffes, even his one today. Which, by the way, is understandable given that the voting age was 21 when he was young (which it may not be a bad idea to go back to, IMHO).
Obama said there were 57 states and looked ridiculous when he tried to deliver a speech when they were playing “God Save The Queen” when on an official visit to the U.K. He has made numerous gaffes, and who can forget the “human gaffe machine” we have for VP in Biden. People mispeak, and often in public.
We have to move past electing people on non-substantive issues, if we do not we could elect another Obama in the future. Being the President is about leadership, not giving smooth speeches with a teleprompter or being the best debator on the continent. The future of this country will not substantively improve if we do not get out of the “American Idol” method of electing Presidents.
runner12 - I'll put "strategery" and "edumacation" up against Chief Justice Roberts any day.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 6:21PM EDT (link)I don’t ask for perfect, I ask for the most conservative candidate we can get who can win.
Right now, that looks to me like Perry.
Mew
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Yeah, resist we much!
tyman Wednesday, November 30th at 6:37PM EDT (link)I think Perry can run the marathon all the way to election day.
Newt, not so much. Kind of makes me sad to think about that.
I think the voting age should be increased to 21. With all of the studies that show brain development is not complete until the early twenties, it’s amazing to think that so much is put into the hands of so many that should not vote.
You know who probably gave 18 year olds the right to vote? The same people who gave you Medicare, Wellfare, etc. Just to have more voters. The sad thing is that it works for them.
Agree tyman about the voting age...
avagreen Wednesday, November 30th at 7:38PM EDT (link)The brain does not really mature until the mid-20′s, with white matter continuing to grow/connect until it peaks around the mid-30′s…(offsubject: that’s when most alchoholics/drug addicts begin to get sober…)
Here’s a link with a graph, about middle page.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124119468
It is scary when we have people voting that aren’t completely cognitively prepared to make decisions, although they can drink/drug quit well.
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
I've a simpler proposal, Ava.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 7:47PM EDT (link)I’ve known many mature 18 year olds over the years, and a lot of immature ones as well. Many of the mature ones are in the armed services. Most of the mature ones, in and out, file their own 1040s.
Why not just restrict the franchise to those who actually file? File your 1040, get back a unique card that you must surrender to gain access to a polling place.
Give the cards unique numbers – where we’re supposed to go to vote is already pretty public – and scanning for fraud (i.e. duplicate numbers) becomes easy.
The 18-year-olds who are adult can vote, the 24-year-old children working on their second bachelors’ degree on daddy’s dime cannot.
Problem solved.
Mew
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'k. ....Sounds like an excellent idea, cat.
avagreen Wednesday, November 30th at 8:39PM EDT (link)Let’s write up an amendment.
And, once President Perry gets in, we’ll send him you idea.
It will also shut out those that don’t believe in fighting wars (like some candidates suggest).
Double win.
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
This is funny.
louisianapatriette (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 9:40PM EDT (link)Perry makes a gaffe and says voting age is 21. But now everyone is saying, “Hey, you know, that might not be such a bad idea!” Just goes to show you that some gaffes are blessings in disguise!
(Here I am under my new and final name. Hope I didn’t give anyone whiplash. I’ve compromised: I didn’t want to sound like the mindless Perrybots–annoying that they are–but after some thought I didn’t want to use my real name because of privacy concerns. So…here’s to a more acceptable name that won’t turn anyone off!)
National Director of the Perry FIRE! PAC Twitter Team and authoress of the Formidable Courage blog.
@LAPatriette
Voting Age
donald_24 Wednesday, November 30th at 9:33PM EDT (link)The logic behind lowering the voting age to 21 is if you could be drafted at 18, then you should be able to vote as well. If you don’t trust 18 year olds to vote, then do you trust them with an M16 in Afghanistan?
You trust them to vote and tote that M16
texabama Thursday, December 1st at 11:46AM EDT (link)but not to have a beer on Sunday while they’re watching football. These laws are all pick and choose and not based on any sound reasoning. Either you are an adult at 18, with all the responsibilities and privileges of being an adult, or you are not. Being the parent of adult children, I’m of a mind to set the age for all the above at 19 or 20 (including military service) so that children have the opportunity to get out of high school and make some decisions outside a school setting for awhile.
I don't always agree with you
therightsknight Friday, December 2nd at 1:28AM EDT (link)But this particular subthread is ridiculous. People don’t seem to grasp that you have to change the mindset of young people rather than take away their right to vote. Just to think a few short years ago these posters above you would have not had me voting in the last election because the majority in my age group didn’t agree with them politically. You don’t get to take a Rook off of the chessboard when your opponent is beating you. You have to figure out how to beat him, with his chess piece. People have to understand that we need to make conservatism cool again for young voters and win them over to our side, not say that they’re to immature to vote and wish that it was taken away.
Excellent post.
jgge Wednesday, November 30th at 10:11PM EDT (link)I totally agree.
We must be patient and prayerful.
RealQuiet (Diary) Wednesday, November 30th at 9:29PM EDT (link)I really hope Perry gets a turnaround and gets the nod. He would be by far the most difficult opponent for Obama to attack and no candidate out there provides a greater, more stark contrast to Obama than Rick Perry.
Perry's standing ovation NH speech Wed 11/30
lizzie Wednesday, November 30th at 10:59PM EDT (link)http://www.rickperry.org/news/gov-rick-perry-new-hampshire-state-house-speech/
WOW!
Where is the video????
That is an awesome speech...
nathanalbright (Diary) Thursday, December 1st at 12:58AM EDT (link)….just put it on my facebook wall with a “like”
. Where is the video for it, though.
still no video of Perry's WOW! speech in NH 11/30
lizzie Thursday, December 1st at 4:07AM EDT (link)and no echo. NH U-L and WaPo focussed on Huntsman’s speech that followed Perry.
I emailed the campaign two different ways to get them to post the video (and stop the Paulbots who are hacking google.)
That video should go viral –
Vanity Fair’s Jan 2012 issue has an interesting backgrounder on Gov. Perry, just posted online, Emphasis on negatives, but a lot of direct quotes from people who worked with Perry since 1984, and no one had a bad thing to say about him as a person, unless you think being a powerful governor is bad.
Writer is Brian Burroughs, who wrote “Barbarians at the Gate” about the RJR Nabisco LBO in 1987 – and he got that spot on. I was working through it at the time.
The punditocracy from right to left is obsessing over Romney, Gingrich, but mostly Cain.
As to the subject of this original diary – seems Perry’s endorsement of Giuliani is why Huckabee dislikes Perry, and Huckabee is the key to the Iowa social conservatives. I do not think they will coalesce – quite possibly break for Bachmann while trying to stop Paul.
There was a news bit from Albany because Rep Peter King, who was leaning to Perry because of that Giuliani endorsement, just trashed Perry on the record. It was a newsite that is obscure unless you follow NY politics. I left a comment that I think Iowa’s Steve King should now debate NY’s Peter King on the viability of the presidential candidates. Then maybe they will both shut up.
It's a shame...
tnguy Thursday, December 1st at 1:16AM EDT (link)….that Rick Perry didn’t show up early in debates.
A shame that Herman Cain piled on with !@#!@$ rock.
A shame that Perry botched the “3 programs” question.
A shame Perry made his “heartless” comments.
A shame that the beltway republicans and Hannitty and that ilk hold such sway over republicans and conservatives, much the same way the MSM does the ignorant masses.
Perry is the only conservative candidate with an inkling of how to lead. It’s a shame that his campaign is dead as Dillinger.
There’s an old saying, that God helps those who help themselves. America isn’t going to help itself. Neither are conservatives. They’re – generally speaking – once again more consumed with making sure an (R) wins the election than holding fast to their principles. They’ll vote for Gingrich/Romney, then gripe and complain when either does the inevitable, increase the scope and power of gov’t. I see nothing that can change the primaries for Perry short of the intervention of God, himself.
“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.”
Cogent.
avagreen Thursday, December 1st at 8:56AM EDT (link)I’ve been thinking along these lines myself for the past few weeks.
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
ava- Does that mean
Scope (Diary) Thursday, December 1st at 9:09AM EDT (link)that you have given up on Perry? WOW You’ve been one of his greatest supporters here.
No, not in the least. This is what I was referring to......
avagreen Thursday, December 1st at 9:20AM EDT (link)They’ll vote for Gingrich/Romney, then gripe and complain when either does the inevitable, increase the scope and power of gov’t. I see nothing that can change the primaries for Perry short of the intervention of God, himself.
The stupidity of some conservatives to not grasp the truth, vote for some one like Gingrich or Romney and then complain when they had the real deal right in front of them.
I’m hoping the masses will eventually wake up. Perry won’t give up. Neither will I. Despite the total ignorance (means “untaught”. Also, in my opinion: “unread” and slavish followers of the MSM and FOX) I see going on around me, accompanied by the bleating of of disappointment when their choice wins.
Hope this mishmash makes sense.
Perry is my guy, regardless.
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
Like this new convert, Scope.
avagreen Thursday, December 1st at 9:23AM EDT (link)Perry has really won me over
onionman Thursday, December 1st at 9:15AM EST (link)
with his down-home style and genuine humility. He has endured the campaign to smear him as some kind of fool with grace and aplomb and my sense, or at least my hope, is that in the coming weeks more and more people will look around and realize that the true conservative (and good man) they have been waiting for was right in front of them all along.
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
n speech to NH lawmakers, Perry ramps up anti-Wall Street rhetoric
bzip Thursday, December 1st at 9:00AM EDT (link)Some more Perry news;
December 1, 2011
In speech to NH lawmakers, Perry ramps up anti-Wall Street rhetoric
http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/30/in-speech-to-nh-lawmakers-perry-ramps-up-anti-wall-street-rhetoric/
That's a clear shot across the bow...
nathanalbright (Diary) Thursday, December 1st at 9:03AM EDT (link)….if you want to look at a Republican who won’t be the poster boy of the 1% and TARP, Perry’s your man.
Bachmann's own set of Opps
bzip Thursday, December 1st at 9:01AM EDT (link)Just for the records I want to get this out there. Bachmann has her own set of Opps issues;
Bachmann campaign apologizes for Cain tweet
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/29/bachmann-campaign-apologizes-for-cain-tweet/
US Embassy in Iran? Michele Bachmann’s ‘Oops’ Moment
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/us-embassy-in-iran-michele-bachmanns-oops-moment/
For those knocking Perry
Scope (Diary) Thursday, December 1st at 10:31AM EDT (link)because he only wants strategic fencing, as opposed to Bachmann saying she would build a fence on every inch of the border, and Cain saying he would build a 20 ft electrified fence, a new tunnel was just found. It starts in Tijuana and ends in San Diego. 32 tons of pot was confiscated with a street value of $54 million. So, how would the expense of building a fence, in many areas where it would be near impossible, and using eminent domain for thousands of acres, while blocking water to the ranchers, be justified?
According to the diarist, he claims that Perry has an immigration problem. I understand that Newt is on the list of possibles that the social conservatives would consider endorsing. If Perry is perceived to have an immigration problem, what about Newt now saying that he would not break up illegal families and send them home? I would think that Newt’s infidelity problems would not sit well with social conservatives. If the Iowa social conservatives endorse Newt, I will have the answer to a question I have been asking for weeks. Are the social conservatives more concerned with ethanol subsidies, which Newt supports, or are they evangelicals first? Newt actually did lobbying work for the ethanol industry.
Psst, Scope. It's me, "change"
louisianapatriette (Diary) Thursday, December 1st at 10:41AM EDT (link)I have an article here about Iowa evangelicals and Gingrich. Not everyone is as comfortable with him as Vander Plaats.
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/29/christian-leaders-to-vander-plaats-gingrich-endorsement-would-be-unacceptable/
If Vander Plaats does indeed endorse Gingrich, it should be interesting to see how ordinary people like you and me would respond. Will the evangelicals just “settle,” or will they revolt? Obviously people are give The Family Leader warning signs that an endorsement of Gingrich would be detrimental to their standing with some Iowans.
Richard Land is also calling on Newt to explain himself regarding his past marriages before he can gain the confidence of evangelicals.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69389.html
National Director of the Perry FIRE! PAC Twitter Team and authoress of the Formidable Courage blog.
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Hi change
Scope (Diary) Thursday, December 1st at 11:12AM EDT (link)Good to see you. Do you mind if I call you change? It has nothing to do with any particular candidate, but has everything to do with “changing” the country away from the socialists and liberal policies, and back to a constitutional government. I ain’t typing that big long name you choose. LOL
As to the social conservative endorsement in Iowa, I have been saying for a while, will their priority be ethanol subsidies, or will it be social conservative values? As we know, Newt supports the subsidies, and is way less than a strong social conservative. I just read somewhere that Newt’s website doesn’t address the social issues. Gee, I wonder why.
Scope, I don't care a bit if you call me "change"
louisianapatriette (Diary) Thursday, December 1st at 11:48AM EDT (link)I figured I’d just compromise: my name wouldn’t make me out to look like a mindless Perrybot, but I wouldn’t have to worry about privacy concerns, either. And anyway, it looks French, which is good for Louisiana, oui? But yeah, go ahead and keep calling me “change,” I’m certainly not going to complain.
We’ll know come January if the PEOPLE of Iowa care more about ethanol subsidies or conservative values. The PEOPLE could always revolt against the organizations, you know. I’m a Christian, but I believe there are “stupid Christians” out there who sacrifice their convictions for the sake of peace and/or political convenience. (Not an insult to anyone here on RS, by the way, so please don’t attack me.) Hopefully the Tea Party blood still runs thick in the PEOPLE’S veins and it’ll show in a few months.
P.S. Have you heard from pttx333? I haven’t, and I’m really missing her posts.
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Ironic, eh Scope? It's not hard to believe nobody notices the tunnels ...
acat (Diary) Thursday, December 1st at 10:51AM EDT (link)when you consider there’s nobody with the job of paying attention – just finding and fixing holes in the fence.
We need harder interdiction, and Perry’s boots-on-the-ground proposal is the only one that’s both serious and workable.
Mew
(Cain’s moat with alligators would be effective, especially against tunnels, but is not serious)
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Caveat Suffragator
Cat- Speaking of Perry's drones
Scope (Diary) Thursday, December 1st at 11:03AM EDT (link)Is there some way that the drones would be able to pick up underground activity? I don’t know much about drones, obviously.
'twould seem they can, cat....
avagreen Friday, December 2nd at 1:51AM EDT (link)The equally important task of pipeline monitoring is most often carried out using thermal imaging to detect the heat signatures caused by leakage in underground pipelines. Safety is also a crucial concern on the pipelines and a priority for companies such as Aeronautics, which uses Aerostar Tactical UAVs to patrol offshore oil fields day and night using forward looking infrared (FLIR) cameras.
http://www.offshore-technology.com/features/feature60673/
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
Correction: Meant to say Scope...
avagreen Friday, December 2nd at 2:10AM EDT (link)Man, the server was busy! Wasn’t able until just now to correct my statement.
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
Rick Perry's New Ad: Energy Jobs
bzip Thursday, December 1st at 11:47AM EDT (link)Rick Perry: Energy Jobs
Tony Perkins puts in his two cents
louisianapatriette (Diary) Thursday, December 1st at 1:30PM EDT (link)http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/11/30/perkins-saying-sorry-may-not-work-cain-gingrich
Both Cain and Gingrich are fighting an uphill battle with the evangelicals. Will Iowa accept one of them, or go for a candidate with a less-troubled marital past, whether that be Romney, Perry, Bachmann, etc.?
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The reason I support Rick Perry . . .
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, December 2nd at 10:12PM EDT (link)The reason I support Rick Perry . . .
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged