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Happy Transgender Day!

President Obama has declared June to be LGBT pride month.  For the record, conservatives continue to stray clear of divisive social issues, but democrats keep dragging us back into the fray.  For those who are unaware, “LGBT” is a term used to lump lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgendered people into one category of alternative lifestyle.  Doing so is akin to lumping together clowns, zoo keepers, custodians and nuclear physicists.  They are all vocations but are not at all, the same.

Let’s just skip over lesbians, gays and bisexuals for today.

LGBT Month

The fact that this Administration is celebrating transgender pride this month is not alright and although it isn’t pc to say so, we must point this out.  The State Department, on its government website has a story posted celebrating government workers, not for their accomplishments or the way they treat others, but because they are LGBT.  It says:

NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim June 2011 [and 2012] as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month. http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/pix/lgbt/2012/191062.htm

Transgendered

We can argue over “LGB” on another day.  But transgendered is a completely different category of disorder altogether.  While we should celebrate people for their uniqueness, for their accomplishments, for their sunny disposition in the work place, for the way they raise their families, for their giving to those in need and for their service in the community, we should not “celebrate” the fact that one of our friends has adopted a transgendered lifestyle.  It is not something to be admired, it is something requiring our love and condemnation at the same time.

There is no way to sugarcoat this.  Although transgendered people are probably as nice if not nicer than many straight people, their status as “transgender” is a disorder, not something to be celebrated.  To be transgendered is to be “a person appearing or attempting to be a member of the opposite sex, as a transsexual or habitual cross-dresser” or “relating to a person who wants to belong to the opposite sex.”  Many transgendered people are ones who claim that there are more than two genders and they are simply one of the five possible genders with physical and mental being mixed up.  Others claim that they are “a woman born in a man’s body”.

Generally, the entire category of transgendered people is categorized under “Gender Identity Disorder” (GID).  Oddly enough, GID is gaining support in the medical community to no longer be considered a disorder.  If that succeeds, proponents will probably have to change the name at some point.

The “T” in “LGBT” is a Trojan horse that has been snuck in with the arrival of “gay rights.”  Not only does the LGBT community expect you to allow homosexual men to act as teachers in your child’s classroom and Boy Scouts Club, not only do Democrat politicians push gay adoption by homosexual men, but we must also accept men dressing as women in our society.  But it does not end there.  We must now celebrate it.  If we do note, we are bigots.

The reality

The reality is that transgendered people are our friends and family members that are having a crisis of identity.  Most of the time physical or emotional trauma initiates the condition and memories of “fishing with Dad” or “playing dress-up with Mom’s shoes” are later cited to build support that they were “born this way.”  Obviously there can be other reasons and I have no doubt that this presentation has over-simplified a complex issue.

It gets better

The latest campaign is a host of Hollywood celebrities on YouTube telling young LBGT students that “it gets better.”  The message is that the “bigotry” you experience in high school will alleviate after graduation.  Life for many, including myself, was very hard in high school no matter what your sexual orientation.  It certainly gets better.

But for those pretending to be a gender that they are not, it will likely never get better.  That path is a tumultuous one.  It often requires taking hormones that can harm your body.  It can include surgery that is unwarranted and all of the while people will intuitively know that you are different.  Not because they are bigoted, but because even in the most far away cultures, the law of God is instinctively written on man’s heart.  Certainly, Biblical theology would not approve of such behavior and thus anyone is putting their salvation into question by pursuing such a lifestyle.

If you have a transgendered friend, you should treat them like you would treat anyone, gay or straight involved in an immoral lifestyle.  You should love them.  And, you should speak the truth, wrapped in love.  Because, like an alcoholic, being silent will only make it worse.

Right and wrong

For anyone standing up for what is right, let me remind you, being traditional, moral or religious is not bigoted.  As long as we treat every person with dignity and respect, we have an obligation to stand up for righteousness as well as our traditional values.

Backs against the wall

I want to be clear.  I hate talking about this.  I am the worst sinner of them all and I constantly shy away from pointing out sawdust in someone else’s eye while I have an entire wood plank in my own.  I have no problem with any transgendered person on a personal level.  As a Biblical Christian, I love them as much as I love any other person.  I actually love them more because I realize the depth of the hurt and trauma they have likely experienced.  However, when men, especially leaders of nations, attempt to call what is wrong right and what is right wrong and back us against a wall – we as Christians, conservatives and Americans must simply say, “no we don’t celebrate this, we don’t celebrate sin in the national spotlight, but we would like to help you”.

What President Obama has proclaimed is wrong and sinful and puts a curse on our entire nation.  I denounce the “celebration” of such a lifestyle in the strongest of terms, while simultaneously reminding these people that we love and celebrate them as individual people.  I hope that all Christians and republicans will quietly dismiss this celebration following the disastrous Obama administration and I call on the President to not force his immoral views on his country.

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  • zachv

    First off, yes, transgenderism is a completely different and separate issue. But,

    A transgender person is NOT someone who appears or attempts (like cross-dressers), or even wants to belong to the opposite sex: it is someone who unconditionally identifies as the opposite sex. It is medically treated because that person usually is suffering from large amounts of dysphoria (depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts).

    Trans people are not pretending or choosing a lifestyle, and is guessed to be a result of defects that occurs during weeks 8-10 of after contraception when the prenatal hormones that produce the anatomic differences between genders are first being synthesized. See this overview of scientific literature.

    Yes, you need to celebrate it Griffin. Do you go up to those that have autism or chromosomal condition Down Syndrome and bag on about how you’re being forced to accept/celebrate them? No, because that’s cruel, inhumane and makes you worse than a jerk. Don’t do it to transgender people either.

    I also have no idea why you even brought the Bible into this. The Bible has about as much relevance to transgenderism as it does to any other psychological disorder, which is none at all.

    • Viet71

      I thought we got past T-people with “Myra Breckenridge”. Renee Richard proved that proposition false.

      Have to say, though, the East Germans always did have an unfair advantage in the Olympics.

    • califgal

      Griffen.”

      Really? So, a condition which you said, “is medically treated because that person usually is suffering from large amounts of dysphoria (depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts)” ought to be not simply viewed in a humane manner but “celebrated[d]“?

      Why so? What else should we celebrate? What people with what conditions ought to be, in your words, “celebrate[d]“.

      What happened to simply treating people with respect? Am I to “celebrate” a person or a whole group of people simply because they are blind…or deaf….or dumb? (Perhaps celebrate the deaf, dumb, and blind thrice as much as one who suffers only one malady?) Tell me. Am I to celebrate them or their condition? If I am to celebrate their condition, am I saying their condition is something I wish I had or my children had or the world had? (Get real).

      If I “celebrate” the person, am I doing them any service by “celebrating” them BECAUSE they have a condition or a trait? (Get real again.)

      It’s one thing for a society to treat other human beings with respect and dignity; it’s another to create disingenuous, illogical reasons to “celebrate” either them or their condition, their disability, their traits
      _______

      BTW, as as aside, perhaps you could come to San Francisco this month and watch the GLTB parade and see for yourself how the people in the parade choose to “celebrate” themselves and “show pride.” Whatever your local station or the networks show of this spectacle is a highly sanitized slice of what the parade actually exhibits.

      Whatever went on in Rome could never top it.

      • mikeymike143

        no we dont need to celebrate it.

      • zachv

        What a shame you can’t bring yourself to “celebrate” people who are less fortunate than yourself. Must be easy living in a world such as yours.

        • gekster

          You do that lot.

        • califgal

          born to give those incapable of competing with non-developmentally disabled kids the opportunity to participate in sports and compete.

          Doing that is no different than giving girls in high school their own softball team and the right to enjoy recreation, develop their skills, and test them against others of comparable ability since they’d never be able to do so if only boys’ teams existed.

          The Special Olympics are not a “celebration” of disabilities or an applauding of developmental disorders. It’s not “Hey, let’s hear it for Down’s Syndrome, people. ” The Special Olympics is an opportunity for kids who can’t compete with other kids to do so and to hear the clapping of the audience just as non-developmentally disabled kids hear the clapping of the audience when they run track, jump hurdles, throw a discus, etc.

          Transgendered people, gay people–they can participate in activities that other people participate in. Why should a trait they possess be reason for “celebration”?

          Or don’t you think people ought to be celebrated not for a physical trait or atypicality they possess but for their character?

          • zachv

            … and you miss the point of the Special Olympics even when you’re on the right track. The Special Olympics is about “hearing the clapping” as you start to say, or — as I like to call it — a celebration of the individual, his/her accomplishments and what makes him who he is. “Self-empowerment” to throw a word out there.

            You browse over to the Special Olympic’s website and take a gander at their description of themselves: “Through the power of sports, people with intellectual disabilities discover new strengths and abilities, skills and success. Our athletes find joy, confidence and fulfillment — on the playing field and in life.”

            It’s funny, because most of this could be copied straight from an LGBT Pride website.

            • “Special Olympics works to spread compassion and acceptance in a way that can unite the world … this vision of inclusion starts at the local level.”
          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            “…celebrate a whole person with all of their characteristics included.”

            However, I hope I’ve just misunderstood. While I advocate treating people with respect and common decency, Let’s take Tiger Woods for example. Great golfer with unbelievable discipline when it comes to practicing his sport, but I don’t “celebrate” his character in the community or anywhere else off the golf course. He’s a lousy example of what a man should be and his discipline off the golf course is sorely lacking.

            I certainly don’t celebrate sinful characteristics, my own included, like those against which Paul warns.

            From Galatians 5:19-23 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties, envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like; of which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

            I do celebrate the fruits of the Spirit.

            But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, self-control; against such there is no law.

            And on this subject, you resort to the tactics of the left in condemning califgal and those others of us of faith who believe the Biblical teaching that homosexuality is a sinful choice. I’d feel the same way if there were a group called “Gossipers Unite” or “Advocates of Adultery” or any other group trying to instill pride and bring about the approval of such behavior. That doesn’t make me ignorant or bigoted.

          • westcoastpatriette

            smile

          • califgal

            You said it yourself: the SO is to celebrate accomplishments and the effort that is given to achieve those accomplishments.

            Were it not so, we’d be sitting in a stadium with kids with disabilities sitting in chairs as we simply led cheers: “Give a ‘rah’ for polio. Now, one for Downs Syndrome. Can I hear one for (fill in the blank)?”

            What am I to “celebrate” when it comes to those who are transgendered. I happen to know a MTF transgendered person. From all I have observed, she is a person who is not cognitively nor physically challenged in her daily life: she has an MBA, a business, and plays golf, carrying a might fine handicap in the sport too.

            Now, another thing that has me confused is your inconsistency. While you argue that transgendered people ought to be “celebrated” because they have a medical condition and “aren’t pretending” (agreed), you somehow seem to think that the sexual atypicalities of homosexuals aren’t also biologically determined. Note; I didn’t say “genetically determined” because all research so far is indicating that no gene nor any gene combination causes homosexuality; rather, an environmental trigger is likely acting on a fetus or a neonate, and it’s likely that some genotypes are more susceptible to the trigger (likely a neurotropic pathogen) than others which is likley why you do see some familial clustering in the prevalence of male homsexuality. Thus, same-sex attraction and the lack of male attraction for a female while not genetically determined in the way the layman thinks of “genetic” is still biologically determined for the most part. (One can never state that all same-sex behavior is the result of biology, but I am talking here of males who never ever feel sexual lust, attraction for females even though they may have had sexual encounters with females).

            I’d prefer to celebrate a gay person who has achieved something of worth by honoring him or her in the same way I’d honor or celebrate anyone else. Same with a transgendered person. Same with those with disabilities.

            Damn. No wonder the country is misxed up. We now celebrate kindergarten “graduations.” It’s very difficult to send the message to Americans that 1) they ought not be celebrated nor demeaned, for their inclusion in a group, and 2) it’s their individual accomplishments and their character that deserves or doesn’t deserve celebration.

          • acat

            because they’re in a majority-Mexican-American school district and there’s a belief among the administrators that “the Mexican-American parents will decide their daughters have had enough book learning and pull them out if they hear graduation…”, so everything before the end of high school got re-named.

            Things are, indeed, messed up.

            Regarding the Special Olympics, I have no problem with it, provided (a) no government funds are used and (b) no non-pre-existing government facilities are used… (i.e. Idaho can’t tax the citizens to build a special ski run just for the Special Olympics … ) but that’s my stand for the non-special Olympics and pro sports teams as well.

            I was quite happy when Chicago lost their bid to host an Olympic Games, because the crooks weren’t about to do it all with private dollars…

            Mew

          • califgal

            have no problem with the SO–I simply wish to impart that the reason I clap for those kids is for their effort, not for their handicaps.

            There are now autistics and those with Aspergers Syndrome who have begun to promote the pride of their atypical neurology, and yes, their disability. We know, for example, that many people with bi-polar disorder have usual creative powers, particularly when they are entering a manic stage, and even sometimes when they are entering a depressive stage. We see this also in some people who are on the autism spectrum. Some in the activist community have taken to calling non-autistics “neurotypicals” in order to separate themselves from others in the same way many gays call straights “breeders.” In other words, in the fashion of the times, people who are physcially, mentally, emotionally different from the larger society have decided it benefits them to identify themselves on the basis of their differentness, their atypicality, and even their disorder, although we all know that such people, gays included, play word games, chosing to ignore the assignment of certain words such as “disorder” to their trait, even when it is used in research and medical parlance.

            There are several dangers in this tendency. What of people who suffer (and I DO mean SUFFER) from the outcomes of their compulsive behaviors? Kleptomania, for one, compulsive lying (mythomania) for another, hoarding as another, are examples of disorders lying on the compulsive behaviors spectrum, all of which are believed to be the result of neurological abnormalities (“atypicalities” for those who don’t which to assign what they view a negative term, “abnormality” to such conditions. Heck, the way we are going, nothing is a “condition.”)

            Do you see where all this leads? You may not want to believe it, but if you follow the science, you must conclude that a kleptomaniac is not in control of his or her disorder at times in life, that the disorder is brain-based, biologically determiend, yet I seriously doubt the country is ready for kleptos to organize, demand respect, demand millions be spent on a cure, accuse others of kleptophobia, and walked by the thousands in a KLEPTO-PRIDE parade.

            However, just a few decades ago, would you have ever thought homosexuals would walk in parades, their privates wagging about, with straights cheering them on as the gays shouted about the pride they felt in being gay? Would you ever have thought marriage between two men and two women possible?

            Anything’s possible in a world in which communication and language are twisted and a world.

            Had we never moved away from celebrating individual accomplishments, had we never begun to “celebrate” people on the basis of their inclusion in groups, we’d not be going down such silly roads.

          • califgal

            I typed above, “many people with bi-polar disorder have usual creative powers…”. I meant to type “unusual creative powers.”

            I see several other errors. I must learn not to type on the fly without taking care to edit. Sorry.

          • garfieldjl

            Since I am looking at this as someone whom is on the spectrum, a lot of people on the Spectrum are quite frankly fed up with being treated as though we have some sort of awful disease or we’re somehow inferior.

            I think what homosexuals are doing is a false equivalency because it involves a chosen behavior… They are able to choose whether or not to act on their impulses, but that’s a discussion for another time.

            One of the reasons why I’m pro-life is because I have a real concern about people using abortion as the “cure for Autism.” This seems pretty close to reality in Europe, and quite frankly it is scary. Just because someone is on the spectrum doesn’t mean they are any less intelligent than anyone else, our brain functions differently than most people and we are better at some things than most people are, while most people are better than we are at other areas.

            Yeah I’ll use the label “neurotypical” sometimes, but hey turnabout is fair play and I don’t care if people know I’m on the Autistic Spectrum as long as they treat me as a person and respect me for who I am. A lot of people on the Spectrum are suffering from depression primarily cause people treat them as though they have something wrong with them.

            Liberals have managed to get a lot of people on the spectrum to believe that they are the only ones that care about them. I think it is our job as Conservatives to show that:
            1. Liberals are generally just using them so they get votes.
            2. That we honestly do care, but we want them to be able to live independently, and so we’re going to push them to try to succeed at things even if they aren’t good at it for that reason.

            Right now I’m really ticked about this economy because I’m stuck unable to find a full time job (still have my part time but if much more anti-business garbage comes out of Washington, I’m not sure I’ll still have that). I don’t believe the economy is improving it’s actually stagnent or getting worse.

            Anyways, this is a rather complex issue that one could write books about.

          • califgal

            I don’t give a darn if you are on the spectrum or not if it doesn’t bother you. As I said, we know that many brain atypicalities resulting in deficits seem to confer neurological benefits as well. It’s no secret that bi-polar disorder is not uncommon among some of the world’s most famous writers and artists. It’s a cost-benefit analysis, isn’t it? My point: I can applaud the artist’s work without applauding his disorder since the vast majority of those with the disorder lead hard, even miserable lives because of the disorder and never achieve success of any kind because of it.

            If being on the autism spectrum causes you discomfort, I am sorry. If you are okay with it, then so am I. However, never expect me to applaud your autism any more than you should expect me to applaud your height or the color of your eyes or that of your skin. Never expect me share your pride in your being autistic. any more than I should expect you to applaud me for having Irish, Italian, and Cherokee ancestry or for being “neurotypical.”

            If being autistic causes you problems in managing in the society (and for most, it does), then I, as a humane person, am fully willing to encourage you, fully willing to find ways of making your deficits less important and fully willing to find ways to utilize your strengths.

            I don’t think you heard what I said: I don’t think you should be celebrated for your deficits, for your disabilities, for your belonging to a group of people (autisitics). I think an individual should be honored and respected for his skills, his abilities, and his character.

          • garfieldjl

            I wasn’t directing any particular remarks towards you specifically califgal. I was just jumping in because I felt the conversation would benefit having someone whom is actually on the Autistic Spectrum providing input, when you are talking about people on the Spectrum.

            A natural tendency for human beings is to seperate things into groups, that’s partially why people group people into categories based on Race, Religion, etc. Anyways the game “Guess Who” is a good example of how people seperate others into categories.

            We often have to contend with stereotypes, some even seem to be from the media, by trying to point out all these people that commit violence are on the Spectrum or someone on the Spectrum got shot blah blah blah. I may be exaggerating somewhat, but you can’t help but notice there are a lot of instances where Autism has been pushed as a negative stigma.

            The idea where famous people whom were on the Spectrum accomplished something great, being identified as being on the spectrum has to do with getting people to recognize the fact that Autism has its positive traits.

            I think there is a balance point, I don’t think it should be harped on how some famous people are on the spectrum, but it doesn’t hurt for it to be identified, especially since it gives parents of a child that was recently diagnosed the knowledge that their kid could still be successful. I can’t stop being Autistic, my brain quite literally functions differently from most people. It isn’t something that can be turned on and off.

            Again this is a rather complex issue, and I can kinda see both sides of this issue.

          • califgal

            assigned some Sylvia Plath poetry to read. The short bio that is always included in an anthology pointed out that she suffered from depression almost all her life, that she committed suicide in a most horrid way.

            I recall how the class pummeled the teacher with questions about Plath, how we talked about the fact that her depression was obviously in many ways responsible for her insight and for her poetry. There are, of course, myriads of historical figures whose handicaps and disabilities have led them to achievements; their specialness has, in one way or another, helped them achieve that which might never have occurred w/out their specialness.

            All I am stating is that it’s their achievements, the products of their individual labor which I wish to applaud, nothing else. Poe’s bi-polar disorder coupled with his alcoholism resulted in his work. When we read Poe, or “celebrate” him, we are not, however, honoring or applauding his bi-polar disorder or his alcoholism, both of which helped produce such work.

            Ever since we started Black History Month, other groups have followed, wanting a month for themselves, or at least a week or a day. Everyone wants, demands a proclamation. Humans are great copiers. We want what others have. We organize ourselves as we have seen others organize themselves if a measure of success has been achieved by such organization. It’s dangerous.

            The Constitution of the United States has been under attack for a long while, often by unsubtle means, but even more so by common and subtle means. I would argue that the ever-increasing practice of proclaiming days and weeks, the promulgation of celebrations for people who belong to a group simply for belonging to a group, is just as eroding to the precepts of the Constitution as are far judicial activisim by any member of SCOTUS and the lower courts. Our behavior, in many ways, poses a greater threat to the principles set forth by that document than any attack by Ruth Bader Ginsberg because our behavior is more subtle.

            I would love for Americans to rediscover the primacy of the individual that the Constitution lays out. Oh, yes, we all say we believe it, but do we? Doesn’t the history of the last nearly 50 years make a powerful argument that Americans define themselves increasingly by their inclusion in a group, particularly groups that deal with biological traits, and the more power or influence that group collects, the more that individual benefits to the detriment of his own individuality and to the detriment of other individuals?

            I’ve rambled on enough.

            BTW, I do hear you, garfieldjl. I feel as you do, that it’s fine, it’s beneficial, to point out in those who have accomplished something of worth that they have special traits; I just wonder if we sometimes don’t cross the line and wind up lauding the trait, not the individual’s accomplishment.

          • califgal

            “I would argue that the ever-increasing practice of proclaiming days and weeks, the promulgation of celebrations for people who belong to a group simply for belonging to a group, is just as eroding to the precepts of the Constitution as is far LEFT judicial activism by any member of SCOTUS and the lower courts. “

          • acat

            The whole “black history month”, “transgender day”, etc. is just more of the same ..

            The original point to, say, the Casimir Pulaski Day parade was to keep the population divided into small, more easily managed (e.g. played off against one another) ethnic groupings for the city bosses to manage, but .. it’s hardly anti-constitutional. Nothing in a parade prevents 3 or 4 of the groups from going Republican … (the hands in the till keep them in line)

            The point is, you’re making a lot of noise over the “celebrations of diversity” .. but you haven’t made a real case against it.

            We’re not all the same, you’ve acknowledged this, so .. why should we all want to (not) celebrate the same way?

            Mew

          • acat

            Not the tack I expected, but .. okay, you went there, I’ll follow along.

            J. Sobieski has made the point, repeatedly, that only a subset of morality should be encoded into laws.

            Kleptomania may or may not be due to a physiological difference, but it still impacts individual liberty – specifically, the right of the person who has the goods to keep them, however robbery is one of the subsets of morality that should be in the law.

            Certain mass-murderers have been shown to vary significantly from psychological norms, but murder should also remain illegal.

            Why does this apply, though, to people who are born to be physically smaller, shorter, weaker, or transgendered? Are they “guilty of their birth” somehow?

            If not, then perhaps it’s better to just let the parade go by without comment, eh?

            Mew

          • califgal

            They enter therapy, it’s a struggle to avoid acting on the compulsion, yet many do manage to do so with constant vigilance from those who care about them….and with medication.

            However, just like bi-bolar disoders, no two sufferers are the same, and why should they be? No two brains are the same. Medication works wonders for some bi-polars; it’s highly ineffective for others. Same with sufferers of depression.

            They’ve not had much success in modifying the behavior of hoarders yet with the medicines that have had some success modifying other compulsive behaviors, but there is a new drug that shows some promise in clinical trials.

            Listen to yourself: ” Kleptomania may or may not be due to a physiological difference,…”

            and

            “Why does this apply, though, to people who are born to be physically smaller, shorter, weaker, or transgendered? Are they

          • acat

            What I do know is that it’s necessary for some behaviors – regardless of where they originate – to be illegal, but for other behaviors that some may find .. unpleasant or incorrect .. – to be legal.

            As you do not know me and have not borrowed my moccasins to walk a foot, let alone a mile, your argument is demolished as wish-speak and ignorant yammering.

            Wanna try again?

            Mew

          • califgal

            Where in the world did you read in my comments that I even suggested a tiny, itty bitty bit that a behavior, because it is neurologically based, ought to be legal, not prosecuted?

            It’s clear that Jeffrey Dahmer had a neurological disorder, brain dysfunction. It’s also clear he had to be apprehended and locked up forever.

          • acat

            transgender day – which you acknowledge is neurological – as long as nobody makes you celebrate it?

            I brought up the law, as I said, as a reasonable example of what morality must be universally enforced, and what morality may be selectively enforced. Kleptomania and Dahmer (et al) obviously are in the must-be-enforced side.

            You brought them up, I suspect, for some other purpose… perhaps to make the point that you don’t approve of other neurologically-different individuals giving themselves an ego-boo.

            Frankly, if you don’t suffer from the condition and you don’t have to pay for the parade, why is it your problem if they clap for themselves?

            Mew

          • califgal

            1) No, I am NOT tolerant of transgender day. Where did you read that?????????

            2) And, I repeat, since you ignored the question,

            “Where in the world did you read in my comments that I even suggested a tiny, itty bitty bit that a behavior, because it is neurologically based, ought to be legal, not prosecuted?”

            Been nippin’ something, have ya?

          • califgal

            1) No, I am NOT tolerant of transgender day. Where did you read that????????? My whole point is that I am against these “celebrations.”

            2) And, I repeat, since you ignored the question,

            “Where in the world did you read in my comments that I even suggested a tiny, itty bitty bit that a behavior, because it is neurologically based, ought to be legal, not prosecuted?”

          • acat

            See note above re. Chicago’s various “I’m special” days.

            Is someone holding a firearm to your head and demanding that you march or cheer? No? Then I repeat .. where’s the problem?

            Mew

          • califgal

            A trait does not a person make. A trait does not an accomplishment make.

            The other problem is that while I don’t choose to attend such parades, and I don’t choose to “march or cheer,” our institutions, such as our schools, engage in the same marching and cheering once such marching and cheering have entered the public sphere–yes, they copy.

            So, it’s done on my dime. Further, I’ve witnessed the deleterious effects such cheering and marching have on all the kids in school who cannot claim some kind of minority status. Oh, you’re white? Not special. You’re male. Not special. You’re “neurotypical”? Not special. You’re a good student with no recognizable disability? Not special. You’re straight? Not special. You’re a citizen or a legal immigrant? Not special. You’re a well-behaved kid? Not special.
            No days for you. No special recognition. No month for you. A really good student? No summer session for you at Stanford–no, no, you have to be an ethnic minority who treats school like the plague in order to get an invite for two weeks at Stanford in the summer.

          • acat

            or St. Patrick’s Day, which is for a person, but also a trait …

            and they celebrate people who you would call “white”…

            Are they a problem for you?

            Look, multiculturalism practiced for the sake of multiculturalism, or diversity practiced for the sake of diversity is silly, and I can’t help that Chicago does a better job at celebrating – sooner or later – every ethnicity, or that Stanford are a bunch of snobs who are practicing their limousine liberalism … but that’s not what you brought up.

            Protesting “transgender day” doesn’t appear to actually address any of your issues … it seems you’re just redirecting your anger toward the older silly at this new silliness.

            Sorry, but you’re not making a compelling case, eh?

            Mew

          • Viet71

            You need to read better.

            You need to read better.

            Out.

        • streiff

          “transgendered” aren’t in the Special Olympics. Check it ouit.

    • streiff

      there is no clinical diagnosis for “transgender” and your “scientific” explanation is so bizarre as to defy comprehension.

      Equating a rather small prevalence deviancy to Downs or autism is sickening.

      • garfieldjl

        I tried to largely steer clear from it except to point out in passing that they weren’t equivalent, but since someone whom is better able at picking up social nuances also found it offensive, guess my initial thought on the issue was correct.

        Kleptomania is also not even remotely related to Autism, since Kleptomania is a behavior. Being transgender, homosexual, etc. involves a behavior that a person can control.

        I can’t choose not to be Autistic, I can work at compensating for it, but I’m always going to be on the spectrum.

        Autism isn’t a behavior, it is something you are born with, it can be identified from behavioral quirks, but it’s always going to be there. I that early intervention (with someone that knows what they are doing and not one of the “behavioral modification” quacks) can actually make it so a kid on the spectrum can function at the same level overall as any other kid their age. This is merely a suspicion on my part there may be some studies out that confirms this, but a lot of people on the spectrum have hypersensitive senses or hyposensitive senses, it can even alternate back and forth.

        I’m rather sensitive to sound, but I sometimes can tune things out completely. There are others that are hypersensitive to touch, and others that don’t realize when they’ve been hurt.

        I am wondering if these sensitivities may affect a child’s early development from ages 0 to 2, and maybe we would see fewer children on the low end of the spectrum if they have had early intervention.

        • Viet71

          Mostly in NYC, but also in Philadelphia and San Francisco, for example.

          Am a tax lawyer who works with nonprofits. Lots of Gs and Ls in certain areas of nonprofits, such as fund raising.

          My take: Being gay or lesbian is, except in rare cases like that of Cynthia Nixon, a matter of hard wiring…genetics.

          Bi-sexuals are another matter; I don’t understand them at all.

          Yes, we all make choices. I happen to like broccoli, tofu, Pacific Salmon. I don’t like Pepsi, but I like classic Coke. I also like potato chips, whip my daughter detests. We all make choices, but we all have tastes or preferences, sometimes very strong or overwhelming. I like women; that’s hard wiring. Some guys I’ve known have swung the other way; and that’s hard wiring.

          • PowerToThePeople

            and you can hold that one up as your proof you are right, but it still does not make you right. But there is no hard wiring that way, it is a choice.

          • Viet71

            Knew some guys in NYC 1979-1984 who were seriously gay. Worked at NYU. I was seriously straight.

            They weren’t interested in me. I could tell they weren’t psychologically damaged. They were different.

            Being different is not a choice.

          • PowerToThePeople

            plenty of people out there that are quite different, live differently than most people, dress differently, behave differently and it is a personal choice to do so.

            As to who you worked with or know, how does that have one bit of bearing on what you are stating. Most people in this country know of a gay person, are friends with some, work with some, and so on. Does not give you a leg up on wisdom.

            It is a choice. While lower testosterone or other chemical differences or environment may lead a person down that road, ultimately they make the choice. People chose to do a lot of things that are not mainstream or even acceptable, does not mean they were born that way.

          • PowerToThePeople

            what is seriously gay? Is that when a gay person chooses to push their lifestyle choice on us by acting very feminine and flamboyant? Or does that mean promiscuous? What does that mean?

          • westcoastpatriette

            people who have no faith in or love for God is that if homosexuals and others caught up in sexual sin were “born that way” and just different, what does that say about God who condemns their conduct?
            Since God created us, it would be cruel beyond description to make certain people unable to choose their sexual conduct and then condemn them for it. That’s why I call the homosexual agenda and their dogma a hoax on par with the global warming hoax. And I am shocked that so many people buy into it.

            People who choose to make up their own value system outside the wisdom of God (which He makes clear in His word) are bound to go down the same path of lies and denial. And where does it stop? We could all go around excusing temptation to do wrong by whining that we were born that way and can’t help it. This is nothing but cowardice and appealing to the lowest appetites of evil in mankind. Just stupid.

          • aesthete

            From the Christian point of view, all of us are born in sin, and none of us made the choice to be born in sin.

            Genetics don’t determine conduct; they determine proclivity.

          • westcoastpatriette

            Which is what the gay agenda people want us to believe.

          • aesthete

            I am unaware of anyone who has wholly subdued their sinful nature. An escape from one’s sinful nature when it comes to, say, a predilection for lying would be no less miraculous than an escape from a hypothetical genetic proclivity towards homosexual urges.

          • westcoastpatriette

            which has nothing to do with everyone being sinners who are tempted to sin.

            I am speaking of the homosexuals who try to justify their sin by saying homosexuality is good and God made us this way — a lie — but if it were true, then God a liar ad hypocrite for condemning them for it. That is a far cry from acknowledging that it is wrong and sinful and fighting against the temptation — which is what most of us do when it comes to sin.

            Are you playing dumb so you can split hairs?

          • aesthete

            that from a religious POV, it is really irrelevant whether there is some genetic component to homosexuality, since all sin is inherent in fallen human nature regardless of the genetics of humanity.

            I.e., that something being “natural” is completely different from something being good.

            That is a stronger argument than arguing against something which might very well end up being true, which we don’t know for sure about, and which doesn’t address the core question of what sin “is”.

          • westcoastpatriette

            but the last paragraph is unclear. What is “something which might very well end up being true” referring to? That they have a genetic proclivity to be homosexual? If that is what you mean, then so what? What then should one do with that “proclivity”?

          • garfieldjl

            You choose whom you decide to sleep with same goes for your coworkers. So while there may be hardwiring involved, it doesn’t change the fact they chose whom they wanted to sleep with.

      • califgal

        points, but yes, I for one am aware of the controversies surrounding the defintions of and the categorizing of “transgendered.” Many of the terms are put forth not by researchers/scientists but by people who so define themselves. Even among they themselvse, there is widespread disagreement.

        There are indeed chromosomally atypical people and/or intersexed individuals with sexually undeveloped genitals or totally ambiguous sexual organs. Many of these undergo sexual assignment surgery to match their sexual organs to their chromosomal gender.

        Gender dysphoria is a little understood phenomenon. Most children who suffer from it find their dysphoria abates as they reach or enter puberty (they, are, almost exclusively homosexual) ; thus, most professionals counsel parents to not pursue any treatments that will be in opposition to the child’s chromosomal gender or sexual organs. For most kids, this works. For a small number, it doesn’t. Their dysphoria continues.

  • mikeymike143

    although i think this is typical obama posturing to shore up his lefty base.

  • Tbone

    I just took a pee sitting down.

    Never let it be said that Tbone is an insensitive guy.

  • califgal

    complex, and our understanding of its machinery is miniscule compared to our understanding of our other organs and the systems they run. The circulatory system, the respiratory system–while we’ve still a long way to go in understanding how the external environment (pathogens, toxins, etc.) act upon them, they are a piece of cake compared to our endocrine and neurological systems.

    That some of you can understand that autism is a function of neurology + some external agent in the environment as a trigger, that you understand that Down’s Syndrome is a chromosomal anomaly, that you can accept that these and many other conditions have a biological basis, but that you discount what we DO know about males who don’t have a functioning search image for females astounds me.

    Because we don’t have proof of the exact etiology of male attraction to other males and a lack of attraction to females doesn’t mean that we don’t know anything about the subject. There are reams and reams of research on it, and lately brain scans (see Karolinska Brain Institute) as well as years of research on the only other mammal known to exhibit exclusive male homosexuality, the domestic sheep–see Charles Roselli’s work) yet there are many who do not, will not, choose not to read what we do know.

    Yes, a person can choose not to have homosexual relations; that does not mean the person is not homosexual.

    A heterosexual person can choose not to have sexual relations. That doesn’t negate his being heterosexual.

    BTW, so far, it appears the mechanisms responsible for male homosexuality are probably not that for females.

    • zachv

      What do you do as a career?

  • califgal

    In the summer, I work for a lab that does work for a genetic’s company.

    • zachv

      I contributed to thing scalping of the teacher unions here in Wisconsin, but I still very much appreciate the work of a teacher.

  • califgal

    And thanks.

    It’s a lesson in humility for of all of us when we see a group of people who have grown so bold that they don’t think they can ever be taken down. Anybody can be taken down.

    Of course, I have mixed feelings. Although I was (and am) a supporter of Gov. Walker, I do have some concerns about how this will impact not only WI education but that all over the country.

    The notion that government employee unions have advantages that private ones don’t have is a fair assessment, and a state like CA is proof that politicians become beholden to public unions that have huge blocks of voters, a situation that is detrimental to the taxpayer and detrimental to democracy.

    However, the flip side is important too, and we’ll see if a state like WI can lead the way in balancing the needs of the taxpayers/kids with the hiring and retaining good teachers.

    In the days of old (pre-Sixties, say) before women were routinely able to study and pursue careers in fields that were not friendly to them previously, the two fields that benefitted from highly motivated and educated women were teaching and nursing. Kids and patients were the beneficiaries.

    Now, education doesn’t pull in as many of the best and the brightest of women as it once did. Good teaching is more than just competency in one’s field, however, we aren’t attracting people who are qualified in their field, no matter what their credential says. I can’t tell you how unqualified many are. This is because college diplomas often mean no more than the high school diplomas schools give out.

    It’s very difficult here in CA for a district to manage to hire and then to retain a qualified math or science teacher. Districts serving kids from low socio-economic backgrounds are unable to compete with districts serving the kids of the middle class or the affluent. It’s not a matter of money, either, but rather of teacher survival. The lower groups are so dysfunctional one can’t blame those who wish to leave for greener pastures.

    Teachers in other fields, say social science and the humanities, are more plentiful, and thus less difficult to retain, but even they search for the few spots that might be available in the nicer districts as long as they don’t have too much to lose in income. We don’t have a state-wide teacher salary schedule here. One reason we don’t is to discourage good teachers in bad districts from moving to a good district. Each district has its own salary schedule based on years taught and course credit/degree, but the years of experience are not usually honored by the better district that hires you away. So, if you are paid by your present district “x” dollars for “y” number of yrs. experience and “z” course credits, and you are offered a job at a better district, that better district usually only offers to pay you up to 5 years of experience. It does fluxuate, but this is a close approximation. So a teacher with 15 years experience would have to take a large pay cut (“y”-10) in order to teach in a more pleasant environment. While many say they would do that, when push comes to shove, many don’t do it because of the money.

    I’ve gone far afield, it seems. Let me go back to “back in the day.” We used to get people really qualified in their field. At the high school level, at least, that is no longer true, at least not in many districts in CA. It will be even worse when the economy turns around as people who are now teaching and ARE qualified will go into other fields.

    Really bright, innovative students often choose other fields of study these days. If benefits’ and retirement packages are no longer dangled as carrots to what are (at least in CA) very ordinary wages for very hard work with dysfunctional and misbehaving kids and families, we will face a problem of a different kind.

    However, something HAD to be done, and I am glad Governors Walker and Christie took the bull by the horns. I don’t know what is going to happen, but the system stinks, from its economics to what we demand from education and from educators and from kids and parents.

    I feel that the new economics here will have some predictable and some unpredicatable outcomes IF and WHEN the economy improves. It may force both the states and the prospective teachers to enter into agreements/contracts that are much more like those offered by private schools. I see the continued and the increased growth of private schools, particularly academically rigorous private schools. If this occurs, the public schools will have a problem with those kids left in the system. That problem will force us to face some truths that the entire society, people of both parties, have been avoiding discussing.

    Things might get better; they might get worse. Nothing much will change until the economy improves as teachers will stay at their jobs for now.

  • http://jakespeaks.wordpress.com/ Jake Walker, no relation

    Whoa.

  • funwithknives

    series of initials now uses?

    Of Course, I’m referring to the New Millenium “and Searching ”
    (‘ & S’)

    LGBT&S : “When 4 aren’t enough, and 5 is not the end of it …”