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Why I’m voting for Rick Santorum here in PA on April 24

I don’t dislike Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich and if either of them were the GOP nominee I would happily vote for him against Barack Obama.  And there’s no question that either of them argue splendidly for so many of the mainstream conservative positions on a wide range of issues we care about.

I’m voting for Rick Santorum for President here in Pennsylvania on April 24 because he best articulates our issues and isn’t afraid to speak to the forgotten values voters of the GOP who have been the so often forgotten group yet who vote, work for and donate for every candidate we put up against leftists for the past generation.

I’m for Rick Santorum because above any other issue or quality people in America vote by wide margins for the people they think are good men and women, who live by the principles they espouse, and who are guided by their faith and who, however they stumble and sin, always return to the course set by their moral compass.

I’m for Rick Santorum, not because he merely speaks to the issues but has lived his life in accordance with those principles.

I’m for Santorum not because he has the best voting or track record but because on the issues we conservatives have cared about the most while he was a U.S. Senator, everyone active in our cause knew he was the “go to” guy who could be counted on not just to vote right but to do the behind the scenes work that helps you win.

I’m not “against” Romney or Gingrich.  I am sick and tired of hearing those candidates or their supporters get excessively zealous in extolling the negatives of their competitors.

Yes I already know that Obama can claim some of his ObamaCare ideas – particularly the idea of a “mandate” – came from Romneycare.  And I don’t like it.   I know that Romney has done very little to make the leadership of the conservative cause – national security and economics conservatives but most especially the values voters who he feels don’t trust him – feel comfortable with him.  I know he hasn’t reached out as he should have.

Yes I already know about Newt Gingrich’s indiscretions in his life – what he and Catholics call sin – and also that this is his past, not his present.  More important, I already know that Newt as House Speaker actually cut down some conservative movement initiatives and had the mentality that we could fund activities from the federal government that would get our majority reelected.

I know Gingrich made many of our most important conservative leaders very angry and frustrated to the point that when he stumbled, they deserted him and forced him to resign.

And yes, I already know that Rick Santorum’s labor record wasn’t perfect – even though big labor in Pennsylvania always vigorously opposed him in every election.   And I know that you should never speak about your faith or your belief in Jesus Christ, or refer to the “centrality of faith in your life.”

I know that every one of our three mainstream conservative candidates has issues that conservatives can argue disqualify them.  I don’t buy it.  Any of them would be much better watching on TV, and reading their words in the newspapers, and listening to them on the radio, and seeing and hearing about them every time I connect my computer to the internet for the next four years, than the current occupant of our White House.

It seems every time we hear Barack Obama speak it is some new attack on the free enterprise capitalist system, a new attack on our Constitution, a fresh assault on our institutions, a new justification for socialism.  Or all of the above.

I don’t want to see an entire generation growing up with that kind of influence in their lives so I’m voting for Rick Santorum and whether he wins or loses on April 24 here in Pennsylvania, I’m voting against Barack Obama and for the Republican nominee for President in 2012.

I’m not going to listen to brand new Tea Party activists to tell me who to vote for, to tell me who they think stinks, when they admit they slumbered through the election of Barack Obama and did nothing to stop Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid from winning such enormous majorities in the House and Senate and helping Obama begin his work to “transform” America.

I respect the newcomers but so many of them – often the loudest of them – are ignorant of history, need to spend a little more time reading the constitution and learning about the Christian faith of the founding fathers, learn about the giants of the conservative cause upon whose shoulders they are standing and above all, they should stop sounding so danged bitter and angry, smile a little more, and offer constructive alternatives and make a better effort to play nicely with the other kids who were already in the sandbox they are claiming leadership of.  If they make that effort they’ll find they are very welcome, their meetings will stop shrinking and they will have much more influence in America in the future.

And I most certainly am not going to listen to people whose websites and facebook pages constantly remind their followers that we are not conservatives, who constantly  proclaim their hatred of  the establishment, the bankers, the corporations, Wall Street, the Jews, the Zionists, the Republicans, the neocons, the military. They sound like Occupy Wall Street, like the anti-war, pro-drug, hateful leftists of the 1970′s who always complained about “the establishment” and who wanted to “tear it all down.”

They come into our  midst for the sole purpose of proclaiming their hatred of so much that we conservatives believe, and when they do not get their way in the party which is most hospitable to us, they storm out of “our room” and vote for another candidate.  I trust them only when they say they are not of our cause and hate us.

No, I’m not speaking of lower case “L” libertarians who I very much like and listen to carefully – they are people who I do listen to even if I don’t always agree with them.

Whether it is their concerns about the Patriot Act and its setting aside of the 4th amendment guarantee against unreasonable search and seizure, or their concerns about setting up a national “E-Verify” system to stop illegal immigration.

They raise valid points worthy of consideration by all of us who love freedom.

And for all the arguments in favor of E-Verify I surely am concerned about any proposal to require the federal government’s “permission” before an employer is allowed to hire me, and worried about allowing police officers to stop people without probable cause, if they are suspicious abut whether or not you have proper insurance (yes that was in legislation in one state).

I do not know how a free people could be willing to tolerate “sobriety checkpoints” to allow police officers to ignore the fourth amendment because nowhere do the Bill of Rights give government the right to exempt themselves from the restraints on their authority to steal our freedoms.

On these and many other issues I’m very much open to considering ideas from “lower case L” libertarians and to working with them on those issues where we agree.

But people who proclaim their hatred of conservatism and conservatives, should not have any influence on you and me, except to note that they hate Rick Santorum more than anyone else running for President including Barack Obama and their reverse endorsement alone should be sufficient argument for us all to vote for Santorum.

I’m not impressed with those who argue that voting for someone other than their Third Party Champion temporarily GOP candidate for President is a sellout to liberal Republicans.

Those who shout at us that we are selling out to liberal Republicans like that are the same people who never walk the precincts for conservative challengers, make the phone calls, write out the donation checks and in between elections stand shoulder to shoulder using the full range of tools available to each and every one of us to influence public policy as American citizens.

They are on the scene for the sole purpose of trying to confuse us, divide us and defeat Republicans – and so they are the ally of liberal Democrats whose hatred of and smears against conservatives they often emulate.

I’m for Rick Santorum because even what so many consider his weakness, is to me, his defining strength, his willingness to defy liberal-left orthodoxy by whatever name it calls itself, and clearly say that the centrality of faith is foremost on his mind and in his heart when he stands up in the public policy process to articulate his views.

I respect the conservative leaders who counsel us to vote for Romney or Gingrich, and I pray that we will all keep in mind that our minor divisions during this primary – which will soon end – are as nothing compared to the urgent need to remove Barack Obama as President and bring to an end his domination of the Congress and the courts.

I will proudly vote for Rick Santorum just like the Reaganites of old who worked their hearts out for him in 1976 and again in 1980.

They didn’t care so much whether Reagan won or not – it wasn’t what influenced them to make their stand with him.

Those old Reaganites knew that when their children and their children’s children asked, if God forbid today is the high water mark of freedom in the United States, what did you do Grandpa, to stop this from happening, you’ll have an answer to give them that enables you to hold your head up high and not be embarrassed.

If years from now it is but a distant memory what the Constitution actually meant and what freedom actually was, and my kids and grandkids ask me, I’ll tell them there was a fellow who, however imperfect, represented the last best hope for our cause, spoke most clearly to our vision of freedom and right, and your grandpa donated money to him, voted for him in Pennsylvania and took every chance he could find to write to influence others, to join me now in standing with Rick Santorum.

I hope I’ll never have that conversation with my kids or grandkids but instead can tell them, there once was a threat so bad, a darkness so close to extinguishing the light, that it is hard for you kids to imagine it.

And I pray that God willing I will be there to tell them, that we overcame so many arrayed against us.  I pray we will turn back those who demanded that we who know right from wrong, who unashamedly articulate our belief in God, who have true courage, must be driven out of public office, discredited, defeated and destroyed.  I pray we all of us will have the opportunity, God willing, to tell our grandkids that this year 2012, Americans looked at our champion, and listened to we who rally to his banner of faith and right.  I pray to my Lord and Savior that He will see fit to summon men and women of courage, to make this stand today, and that together we will be able to tell the next generation, our fellow Americans listened, and saved this, the last best hope for mankind and for freedom on earth.

I do not know whether I’ll be telling my kids and my grandkids, if God allows me to be here, that this today is the high water mark of freedom and that after 2012 we are in fact transformed as Obama says he will do, or will this be the turnaround that saves the American system that has worked so well these past two centuries.

But the issue is in doubt today, so my vote is for Rick Santorum now that it is my turn to vote here in Pennsylvania.

And when this is over and done, whether Rick Santorum is our champion as the GOP nominee or not, I will cheerfully and gladly keep in mind where our enemy is – there on the left – far far to the left – stands the one who with his allies aims to finish the job he has started, with a wrecking ball to the work of the American founding fathers – and our standing together united and facing towards him, may be what decides the issue.

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  • acat

    I would point out some of the straw men and shaded truths here.

    As you don’t wish to discuss things like “facts”, so be it.

    Mew

    • https://www.facebook.com/HanoverHenry hanoverhenry

      ….and nothing new there except for those who unlike me, are really brand new to all of this… but those who have been around the conservative cause awhile know that this is what the liberal-left ALWAYS does – they call their heated outbursts against conservatives “facts” and attack us ANYTIME we stand up for our faith, as being “close minded.” You are correct. On matters of faith and doctrine, if you make friends with a few more Christian conservatives, you will find that we are very, very “fully mind-decided” or what you call when we do not wish to convert to the liberal-left arguments, “close minded.” And of course, personal attacks and straw man arguments abound. I rather like all three candidates for President that normal conservatives favor, and hope that whichever one wins – and I sure hope it is my choice Rick Santorum – we ignore the advise from those who detest us, keep our mind closed and facing towards our real enemy who as I wrote, is off there on the far, far left, Barack Obama. If you didn’t exist Acat, somebody should invent you and have you post reminders here, that we are on the right track. As I said, they hate Santorum the most so, that alone should be the best reason for people to vote for and donate to and work for the victory of Rick Santorum. Thanks again.

      • jackalope88

        If he is anything conservative then he is a conservative socialist. He still wants to drive us off the cliff just not as fast. We need to get the socialists like him out of the Republican Party.

        • https://www.facebook.com/HanoverHenry hanoverhenry

          seriously…. your comment appears very unrelated to fact. Are you new to our cause, perhaps in need of a little learning about what goes on? I addressed this specifically, and if you were there during the period he was a Senator you’d know it is true. Santorum by any objective measurement was a reasonably reliable conservative and went further than many others who had a similar rating, in helping our cause and our leaders. But thanks for sharing the baseless rhetoric – if nothing else it confirms that the one the liberals hate the most is the one we should back the most enthusiastically, just as I said.

          • jackalope88

            Barry Goldwater wrote the book on Conservatism.

            You might want to read it sometime.

            http://www.amazon.com/Conscience-Conservative-Barry-Goldwater/dp/1604598921/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333863983&sr=8-1

            Here’s video of Santorum expliticely saying that he thinks that it is to the republican parties credit that they have moved away from Goldwater ideas of limited government and that government should do less.

            So. Santorum has reputiated the very heart and soul of conservativism. If he’s not for limited government then he is for unlimited government. That’s not conservative. That’s contray to the founding principles of our country. So he’s a conservative socialist. And if you can watch that clip and find what he has to say okay, then I guess you are too.

          • aesthete

            Santorum has always been in favor of moving away from the limited government branch of conservatism.

          • jackalope88

            you are aiding socialism. The size of government is too big and outside the constitution currently. So if you are okay with it’s current size, but don’t want it to grow any larger then you are a socialist. A conservative socialist, but a socialist none the less.

            Limited government principles encompass so much: Free Markets, Capitalism, a sound dollar, lower taxes, elimination of the debt, elimination of the Fed, restoration of federalism, protecting property rights, protecting state soverignty, repealing the 16th and 17th amendments, protecting the 2nd amerndment, enforcing the 10th amendment, protecting individual libverties, ending subsidies, ending foreign aid, ending the Ferderal Departments fo education, energy, the EPA, and more, a simpler tax code, being pro-entrprenur. You know, actually abiding by the constitution.

            Throw out the limited government “branch” and that throws out 90+% of the conservative agenda.

            It would be better if those who oppose limited government principles would simply identify as conservative socialists, but that would be expecting leftists to not play word games wouldn’t it?

          • aesthete

            Limited government (and the “constrained” vision so eloquently described by T Sowell) forms the backbone of American conservatism. Abandon it, and there’s no reason to hold on to the rest, when it comes to politics.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            Erick published two excellent takedowns of the “Santorum is a conservative” meme. They nailed him as a big-government pro-lifer.

            In addition, the guys at Powerline went through Santorum’s record and compared it with the Republicans who served at the same time he did. Santorum came out on the left side of the pendulum swing.

            There is NO objective measurement that casts Santorum as anything even remotely conservative.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908
      • acat

        You *do* know that there’s much more to being a conservative than believing in god and clinging to your bible and gun, right?

        Mew

  • snowshooze

    But, well, I am getting over it all.
    Let’s see if a brokered convention can give us another choice..
    I would find it pretty hard to vote for Mit at all. Really.
    But I feel my options are being bought out.

  • littlehouse18

    Thanks for this, it says it all,

  • https://www.facebook.com/HanoverHenry hanoverhenry

    but you’ll note that not everyone agrees with you – showing my rationale for being for Santorum is to the liberals, along with my being unashamedly a Christian conservative, are all signs of what to them is a “closed mind.” Rather funny… haven’t heard a thing so far in criticism of what I have written here,that I didn’t first see liberal-leftists saying about conservatives, often for as long as 20 or 30 years.

  • mikeymike143

    and despite operating on limited funding, santorum has won 5 TIMES AS MANY states as newt, perry and paul put together. so i would say his message resonates with the republican base real well.

  • conservativerock5

    I voted for Paul.

    Hear me out-I do not agree with all of his foreign policy. While he is right in some areas, his position regarding the Iranians is not realistic.

    I voted for him because he is the only candidate not being shoved down my throat by any establishment, and the only candidate that begins to respect Constitutional law.

    See, I cannot vote for a candidate that would violate his/her oath of office on the first day of office.

    He won’t win though. I hope his son Rand does. Or Mike Lee.

    As for Santorum: He respects the Constitution no more than Romney. They are very much a wash. They both love big government at a time when we can least afford. Both are great family men, and that is about that.

    The final coin toss comes down to electability, which goes to Romney.

    Our candidates suck. Get behind Romney and hope for the best. If he doesn’t win, bull those belts tight one more time and swing for it during 2016!

    And for Goodness sakes do not let the establishment run a bunch of liberal, un Constitutional candidates again!

  • mikeymike143

    shameful

  • https://www.facebook.com/HanoverHenry hanoverhenry

    it really just sounds like leftist junk when you keep parroting the liberal line that you can read any time by just clicking your way over to ACLU’s website. They too, always claim they are “constitutional”… in fact the lunatic leftist Bill Kunstler even setup a group labeled a “communist front group” by a panel of Congress which had the word “Constitutional” in its name. You folks of course, don’t know much history so then, how would you even know it is factual what I am saying not an opinion. The reason that you sound like leftists is that you are using exactly their rhetoric and it is truly over 25 years old what you are claiming – which as usual, is baseless junk being thrown at conservatives. If we didn’t have you in these pages to remind people how very true it is what we conservatives are saying we would have to invite you in to help prove our point. Thank you so much.

  • littlehouse18

    I just heard her parents have taken her to the hospital today.

  • conservativerock5

    I don’t agree with everything he believes in, but am darn sure I will not vote for the other candidates in the primary.

    Don’t you get it? Its the debt. The Constitution is dying.

    I have heard about the anti-Ron Paul campaign on this forum. Its ridiculous and a distraction from the real issues we have,

  • conservativerock5

    I actually am a strict Constitutionalist.

    Do you claim to be, or not?

    Do not tell me that I am a liberal. That annoys me to no end.

  • conservativerock5

    The anti-Paulbots are equally stupid.

    People like me look at the candidates objectively, do not get caught up in rhetoric and sensationalism, and judge the candidates accordingly based on their policies and the Constitutionality of those policies.

  • lapert

    Any chance I get to annoy a Paul supporter I’ll take.

  • conservativerock5

    1-I am not a Paul supporter per say, I just voted for him because I know he is the only one who won’t violate his oath of office on the first day. I do not endorse his Iran/Israel policy, but he is mainly correct in most areas.

    Unlike some, I can rationally approach each candidate without getting flustered with character attacks. All the candidates except Gingrich have records as good and moral family men.

    2-An appropriate term might be classical liberal, if you wish. Thomas Jefferson, John Locke, Milton Friedman, F.A. Hayek, Adam Smith, etc. were all classical liberals.

    But lapert, hanoverhenry, and mikeymike143 I don’t want to get off on the wrong foot with you. Let’s put this spat behind us.

    We can work together to get good, Constitutionalists into to office and save this country before it is too late!

  • gekster

    Why does RP rail against pork spending,
    but then takes as much pork as possible.

    Can you say hypocryte.

  • conservativerock5

    He believes there should be pork spending. I do not believe he wants to get rid of it. He believes Congress should determine how money is spent rather than the president and his agencies. It is an interesting position in my opinion.

    Now I won’t defend every instance where he requests pork because I do not know those instances, but I am pretty sure it is for infrastructure in terms of roads and ports.

    Personally though, I do support a Jeff Flake-style earmark ban.

  • evictobama

    So many Santorum supporters were on the Bachmann train, the Perry train, the Cain train, the Gingrich train, and then finally, the Santorum train and I can only assume that their motivation for switching teams so frequently is that they could not stand Mitt Romney.

    Among those who can’t stand Mitt Romney are three major groups: (1) liberals who realize that he is the biggest threat to their dream of an unaccountable Obama in office for four more years (say hello to nation-wide gay marriage, abortion-on-demand, and the death of the American dream if that happens, (2) hard-right conservatives who consider both Romney and Gingrich to be too liberal for their taste, and (3) people who believe that Mormons are not Christians and who therefore will never support a Mormon candidate as long as they have an alternative from a more mainstream faith, such as Catholicism, Protestantism, or Evangelicalism.

    I can only tolerate the second group. Anyone who says, “Romney is too liberal, Gingrich is too liberal, I’m for any candidate who is more conservative than those two” I can understand. I cannot understand people who feel the need to beat a war drum every time a Mormon candidate gets an opportunity to represent the Republican Party in the House, the Senate, or the White House.

    I’m a big-tent Republican. It sounds like you are too.

    Congratulate yourself for not being against any Republican candidate. That shows character.

  • mikeymike143

    it means that we wisely reject that anti semitic dirtbag and the code pink/anti war cancer he spreads.of course, that loon had been rejected by every primary state in the nation so its obvious the american people feel the same way.

  • mikeymike143

    and this site has a policy that bans paulbots so you wont be here long anyway. of course, paulbots always slime there way into places thats they are unwelcome until a mod ”takes out the trash”.

    and i am a full blown advocate of shunning and ostracizing paulbots like cancerous lepers.

  • mikeymike143

    nt

  • conservativerock5

    Hope she has a healthy life henceforth!

  • jackalope88

    Because, really, picking fights with people who want to help restore our republic doesn’t amount to anything else. Whatever your opinion is about ron paul, his supporters are going to be here after the Ron Paul campaign. Wouldn’t you want to work with them on other things you can agree with? Or would you rather mindlessly hate them in the way that the left mindlessly hates all of us? I bet you prefer your hate.

  • powertothepeople

    True Ron Paul supporters do not vote republican. They are so entwined with their Jesus that once he is sent packing, they follow him. Most Ron Paul supporters are nothing more than anti Semite, racist, pot smoking, conspiracy loving, chem trail spaying nuts who deserve nothing more than a foot up their ass and our absolute contempt.

    Ron Paul would do nothing to change the course of this nation other than to make it worse. He is the only candidate on our side that would be worse than Obama.

    So no, showing Ron Paul and his followers just how much they are despised does nothing to change the course of an election. They are scum who refuse to vote for anyone other than Ron Paul, so there is no reason at all to be nice to them. So all the Ron Paul supporters, you included if you swing that way, should know you are nothing better than stinky dog crap on the bottom of a shoe and even then comparing those scum to dog crap is a great insult to the crap.

  • jackalope88

    I didn’t say it would change the course of this election, but Ron Paul supporters are highly active indiviudals. They are going to put their energies in the years to come to something. Wouldn’t you want that energy on some later cause? Or do you think the cause of conservativsm is doing so well you can afford to throw away principled allies?

  • mikeymike143

    paulbots and their anti semitic demigod are scum of the earth. which is why this site and other conservative sites ban them.

  • conservativerock5

    While he is anti-war, the others are pro-war.

    We need to have an in between, cost-benefit foreign policy.

  • conservativerock5

    There are many fools who will continue to use strawmen on me, but they are only hurting themselves.

    Of course, those that call others conspiracy theorists, pot smokers, and anti-Semites are most likely guilty of those things themselves.

    Again, I do not consider myself a “Paul supporter”. I generally like the man on many issues, and I voted for him, but my main deal is following the Constitution. Just because I voted for him does not mean I agree with his foreign policy, and it doesn’t mean I worship him.

    If anybody is interested in restoring the Constitution I am happy to work with them.

    Hopefully the moderators take notice of my true character, and the character of those who would attack me by using vicious strawmen.

  • JSobieski

    Paul does not help balance anything. He says a lot of things (who cares if Iran gets a nuke, can you blame Iran for wanting to get a nuke, etc) that turn the entire discussion into silly season.

    The American people have a growing awareness of why creeping Sharia law is something to be concerned about. We just spent more than a $1T installing a Sharia state in Iraq and replacing a Sharia state in Afghanistan with another Sharia state.

    There is a serious discussion to be had about foreign policy, but Ron Paul is doing nothing to further that idscussion. To the contrary, his presence on the national stage crowds out legitimate options, leaving the country with caricatures of either being pro-war (who the heck is really pro-war anyway) or anti-war (just about everyone prefers peace, some are just willing to let problems fester).

    Bottom Line: Ron Paul is not an asset in discussin foreign policy or anything else. That said, I think conservatives should always be willing to sell conservatism to new converts, and a person doesn’t have to agree with everything to join the team.

  • garfieldjl

    1. Gingrich and Santorum are a much bigger threat to the left’s dream of a social welfare state than Romney is. If Romney were really as big of a threat to Obama getting re-elected, the press would have been out to destroy him, not trying to mow down all his adversaries.

    2. I’m a Conservative and have no issue with Gingrich. I can trust Gingrich to do what he says he’ll do, I can’t say the same about Romney. Further I take issue with the stunts he pulled on fellow Republicans.

    3. This isn’t about Romney’s religious beliefs. One reason why I was on the fence about voting Republican for President if Romney was the nominee, is the fact Romney’s supporters remind me so much of Obama supporters that run around screaming that people are racist.

    I wouldn’t have minded if Romney had launched a smear campaign on Obama, we all know Obama will flinging mud around because that’s all he can campaign with. What really ticks me off is Romney launched the most vicious smear fest that I’ve seen in a Republican Primary directed towards fellow Republicans.

    What bothers me is what happened in Virginia, Florida ignoring the rules regarding the delegates, etc. All to benefit Mitt Romney, it makes it look like Republicans support using election fraudlike shannigans just like Democrats. We are better than that, we shouldn’t be trying to emulate Democrats and their dishonest behavior.

    What also bothers me is that we’re walking into the same trap that we walked into in 2008. We are picking the candidate that the left wants us to pick, I for one don’t want MSNBC choosing who our candidate is.

    That is why I absolutely will not support Mitt Romney in the primary, and while I may vote Republican in the general, I won’t be happy about it.

    Since you’re a Romney supporter, it is your job to build up your candidate, if you can’t build up your candidate, then you should admit it and choose to support either Gingrich or Santorum while we still have the option for a brokered convention. Santorum and Gingrich supporters can build a case for their candidates, heck Ron Paul supporters can do the same for Ron Paul, I have yet to see any Romney supporter build a legitimate case for why Romney should be the nominee.

    If you use the Romney is the only electable one argument. Sorry I don’t buy that cop out, I think because we’re facing a President that makes Jimmy Carter look a good President, any candidate we have running currently could beat Obama. Who cares what the polls say, the people who conducted the polls for the most part want Obama to get re-elected.

    This isn’t just about beating Obama in November, we have to be extremely careful that we choose someone that not only will beat Obama in November, but will actually clean up the mess caused by Obama’s radicalism. I’m not convinced Romney can or will clean up the mess.

    It is your job as a Romney supporter to convince me otherwise, no attacking the other candidates, give a case for you candidate and why I should believe he can fix things.

  • jackalope88

    …if people who like to forment pointless discord exited the movement so that those of us who actually want to achive conservative goals could focus on accomplishing those goals instead of fighting each other.

  • acat

    (Cheshire grin)

  • honoraryintern

    … Well said. I didn’t know where to start.

  • Raven

    Not, unfortunately, because I am a big Santorum fan. I remember him as a Senator and I am underwhelmed.
    Alas, he is the last viable alternative to Romney. Gingrich has failed to gain the traction he needed before we got this far in the primary. My personal favourites are out, Perry and Cain are already out. Bachmann took a ride on the crazy train…

    I stand against Obama and all he stands for. I can Not vote, in the primary, for someone so much like him as Romney. No to ObamaCare/RomneyCare. No to growing government and appointing Activist judges. No to higher taxes, Higher gas prices and more regulations. Just No. We’ve had enough of that. And whyever would Romney act as president any differently than he governed Massachusetts?

  • jackalope88

    If I try to reach out to someone like mikeymike143, try to reason with them, then all they do is to start conflating me with their object of hate.

    The thing with someone like mikeymike143 is they love their irrational hate. They love their hate more then the priorities their principles dictate that they should have. They do not want to “win” in the sense of changing this nation for the better according to the principles they profess to have. The only way they win is by continuing to hate. They do not know who they would be without their hate. They love the status quo because it means that they can nurse their hate all the live long day. There is no reasoning with someone who loves to hate. They don’t want to lead and they don’t want to follow. They just want to get in the way.