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Thanks Newt Gingrich, for giving voice to (so many) conservative ideas during this campaign

By: hanoverhenry (Diary) | May 3rd, 2012 at 04:23 AM |

RESIZE: AAA

I’m grateful for hearing so many good conservative ideas from Newt Gingrich and thoroughly enjoyed his performances during the debates. But poor Shephard Smith on Fox News was insufferable today, blasting away at Newt Gingrich moments after the former House Speaker announced that he had suspended his campaign for President.

Newt’s crime in Shephard’s eyes, was he discussed too many ideas as he withdrew and it gave poor Shephard a headache, to have to listen to and then report on conservative ideas, especially if there are more than a few at a time. Echoed Ed Rollins, the has been campaign manager who’s not had any recent success but is now a regular on Fox, “no discipline.”

Smith seems to never fail to find something to whine about, although he is not big on facts he is most excellent at using the Saul Alinsky method of ridicule and scorn, and gives very good face – a very ugly, upset, scornful look that shows whatever he is reporting on, is well, very upsetting to him, ridiculous, absurd.

And most often, it is a conservative speaker or position that is getting the pounding from this least popular of all Fox News show hosts, who consistently ranks in dead last place among their star lineup.

For my part, I’m delighted that my vote helped elect one delegate to the GOP nominating convention from the 4th Congressional District pledged to Newt Gingrich – namely Charlie Gerow, one of the founders of the conservative Pennsylvania Leadership Conference.

Charlie is one of those people I like even when I might not agree with him. Because from what I can tell, he is supportive of the conservative cause, not simply one candidate he favors. (as an aside: 2 of my favored candidates pledged to Rick Santorum also earned my vote – both won – and I voted for Santorum in the “beauty” contest).

While I preferred Rick Santorum for President, I would have had no problem voting for Newt Gingrich if I thought he could have beaten Mitt Romney. In fact, I’d endorsed Newt after his outstanding debate performance and leading into the South Carolina and then Florida primaries for exactly that reason.

I said if I lived in either of those states, and given the rising poll standings for Newt, I’d have voted for him and highly recommend him.

A meeting of Evangelic conservative (or “values voters”) leaders in Texas the week before that South Carolina primary endorsed Rick Santorum by a rare 75% vote – but South Carolina and Florida voters went with my recommendation (aren’t I immodest today) instead, and gave Newt his moment in the sun.

Sadly, his complaints that he was only being beaten because Mitt Romney had raised more money, didn’t work out for him as a campaign issue.

The Romney advertising blitz turned around the victory for Newt in South Carolina, into a devastating loss in Florida from which Romney never recovered. Rick Santorum regained the lead and held it as the “not Romney” candidate thereafter, with my full support.

I’d prefer to go back to simply being a fan of Newt Gingrich, despite some things where I might not agree with him, and some things in his past that I did not approve of.

His “Rediscovering God in America” book for example, is a perfect refutation of all those “separation of Church and State” and “shut up Christian” folk out there.

There are even some of their creed within the ranks of RED STATE who can be reliably counted on to object to anyone who cites their faith as a reason to believe anything political, and once motivated to go on the attack, will find any excuse that they can to blast away at the Christian-motivated writer.

If someone wants to make the claim that there is no such thing as a “war on religion” they’d best avoid Newt Gingrich because whether he debates you face to face or uses surrogates who have read “Rediscovering God in America” you won’t do very well on logic or facts.

The Gingrich book that is one of my favorites is basically organized as a walking tour of some of the most famous monuments in Washington, DC to show that how a belief in God animated the founding fathers of America.

Gingrich in fact, scored some of his strongest points with conservatives – especially values voters – during the GOP presidential nominating contest debates when he spoke out against the Obama-led “war against religion” in America, specifically citing the shut down of some Catholic supported charities because of this war.

Gingrich has also done some videos in joint productions with Citizens United, and I very highly all of them. One of my personal favorites is Ronald Reagan: Rendezvous with Destiny, which he and his wife Callista host.

In fact, one of the things I really did not like about Newt Gingrich running for President is that in any instance in which I recommended any of the Gingrich books or videos it sounded as if I was pushing him for President – when in fact I was most of the time, supportive of Rick Santorum.

Now it will again be safe for me to recommend his books and videos without having to worry that I’d have to answer the question “well then why aren’t you supporting him for President.” I simply liked Santorum better and thought Santorum had a better chance of winning.

I am not amused at all by all of the strongly negative junk I’ve seen during this primary campaign, which at one time or another has come out of the mouth of all of the candidates for the GOP nomination for President.

It is one thing to speak about policy differences but so much of what we saw as a turnoff included personal attacks and sadly, I have to include Newt in that indictment. Although the candidate who I believe engaged in that the least was Rick Santorum.

Overall I do appreciate the issues that Newt Gingrich raised, including his ideas on space, which do not appear to have gone over very well with people who are tired of government over spending.

I’m a bit libertarian on that topic – I’d like to see America in space but, does it really have to be the government doing everything instead of private companies?

But the whole space thing was a diversion from other issues where Newt’s facts and his rhetoric helped advance our cause. He will go back to doing exactly that in the future.

The worst his critics can say about him is that he has too many ideas, and was/is just selling books. Those are his best traits, along with his ability to help explain them.

I rather doubt the more focused Mitt Romney will have too much use for him on the campaign trail but as for me, I do believe I will be able to recommend his future books and videos without hesitation, and the more of them he sells, the more influence he will have with the ideas he proposes. And for our cause, that is great!!

Thank you Newt Gingrich. And like Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich and most conservatives, of course I’m voting for Mitt Romney against Barack Obama.

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garfieldjl

I heard Crane Durham on the radio this evening, he was slamming Sheppard Smith of Fox News, the Republican Establishment, etc., about how Gingrich had been smeared by them.

Romney will have to do a lot of things to heal the wounds caused by those that were in his own Campaign and those that were shilling for him.

Will Romney attempt to heal the wounds or will he widen the rift even further?

If he chooses to work to heal the damage and at least seriously attempt to get Conservatives behind him, he can probably beat Obama. If he chooses to widen the rift even further, then Obama wins.

Reagan won in 1980 by offering a case for the American People to support him, not that he simply wasn’t Jimmy Carter.

There were only 2 people in the entire primary that gave proposed solutions with details and campaigned on those solutions: Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain.

This can’t simply be an election about personalities, yeah we all know that Obama’s ideas made everything worse, but seriously Romney isn’t going to win by simply running around yelling that he isn’t Obama. Romney needs to run on solutions, not simply on the fact he isn’t Obama.

Honestly, Romney needs Newt Gingrich (probably also needs Herman Cain as well, Gingrich has the foreign policy experience that Romney lacks though, Cain doesn’t have foreign policy experience). In order to beat Obama, we need to be able to run on solutions, not simply saying Romney isn’t Obama.

I also think that Romney having Newt as VP might at least heal some of the wounds within the party. Gingrich is an expert at coming up with one liners that stick in people’s heads and he can take the fight to Obozo.

clintonformccain

… Gingrich, Santorum, Palin, Erickson, and the other holdouts need to get on board and start helping elect Romney. The longer they hold out, the more they will be viewed negatively.

clintonformccain

during the eight years of the Romney administration.

garfieldjl

The attacks on Gingrich have continued even after he’s said he’s going to be working to make sure Obama doesn’t get another four years in office.

Furthermore, if Romney starts veering hard left, Erickson, Palin, myself, etc. will call him out on it.

1. Romney will not be able to win in November by running as a liberal that is only slightly less liberal than Obama.

2. This is about integrity, sacrificing all of one’s principles to just claim we got Obama kicked out of office is no victory.

3. It is Romney’s responsibility to earn our trust and respect.

clintonformccain

That would be a victory in my book.

Then, we can go from there. First things first.
garfieldjl

If we beat Obama, with Romney and then Romney starts running to the hard left and supporting every left wing idea he can, then quite frankly it won’t be a victory, we’ll be a laughingstock.

I want some assurance that Romney won’t veer hard left.
snowshooze

Willard’s Mom?
Um…
No, we will be stuck with whatever we get out of this.
Hey, it might work out.
Based on his history, we are not bolted, we are screwed.
Stricia

I also know it is a full moon when slow booze begins howling — or is that just every weekend?
Ausonius

A Vice-President can be irrelevant to the President: see Kennedy and Johnson or Roosevelt and John Nance Garner.

Garner opposed Roosevelt in his second term quite often, and found himself in retirement in 1940.

The only “force” that can stand up to a left-leaning Romney – if that happens – is a Conservative, non-RINO Congress.
APA Guy

I subscribe to such a choice, BTW. Newt is an articulate messenger for conservatism with a terrific record and the ability to assume the presidency (God forbid the unthinkable happen).
commonsenseobserver

First, the Veep must do no harm. And he also called Romney a liar, which could be potentially dangerous if the White House decides to create ads full of explosive soundbites from Newt.
garfieldjl

Obama has baggage too.

Gingrich’s baggage would almost be like walking through a minefield to Obama.

If we were versing Jimmy Carter, you are correct that Gingrich would be a bad pick due to his baggage.

However, we are versing Barack Obama, I would love to see him make the mistake of attacking Gingrich’s baggage, there is so much potential of turning tables on Obama that Gingrich’s baggage would be a net positive for Romney.
demsaresatanic

look up “vetting” and see if that is what you are aiming at.
garfieldjl

Gingrich has the unusual situation where his baggage can be used to drag Obama’s baggage front and center, and the net anger would be directed towards Obama.

The ethics violations would be more damaging to Democrats at this point, than they would be to a Romney/Gingrich ticket. The ethics violations stemmed from the fact Gingrich was teaching a college class. So we have a Speaker of the House hit for ethics violations because he was teaching a history class; yet Democrats like Pelosi get away with Insider Trading, and using their power in congress to make a profit in the stock market.

With the Insider Trading Scandal on everyone’s minds; I would say the “ethics charges” are more apt to generate public sympathy for Gingrich and outrage towards Democrats in Congress. So if Democrats wanted to hit Gingrich on this topic, and shoot themselves in the foot, someone please get the popcorn.
demsaresatanic

I think there is a little room for improvement in your choice of words, “versing” doesn’t work well. I have noticed you using that term a few times now.
CincoSolas_del_Bronx

This one, that is:
demsaresatanic

is what you are aiming at.
https://www.facebook.com/HanoverHenry hanoverhenry

Ausonious made a critical point, and it is where we conservatives should also be focused on. A small number of really good conservatives who win (anybody for another couple of Jim DeMints, Marco Rubio’s etc.?), plus a 60+ majority of Senators and a stronger position in the House, can make a very significant difference. Money bills have to originate in the House. Appointments have to be approved by the Senate. Committee hearings can focus the American people on OUR issues instead of the left’s, or they can bury issues. It is a very important point, that however disappointed we may be in the outcome of the Presidential race there’s still a battle for the Senate and House for us to pitch in and help on, and any of us here can help out across district/state lines, anytime.

At the same time, the point about a VP is not to be overlooked for two major reasons. The choice made is who will be the major campaigner for the ticket, after the Presidential candidate? And if he wins, who will be the second major voice for the Administration? Is anybody besides me sick and tired of turning on the TV and my PC and seeing Biden’s face, voice and words, over and over and over? There’s any number of people who would do a better job than Biden, and some would get the troops very fired up and bring our message to the “middle” group we need to attract.

Plus, who will have the automatic frontrunner slot for eight years later, is being decided when Romney makes this choice.

Who he picks as his VP choice is a critical decision for Mitt Romney, not to be underestimated. And as I’ve said in my earlier articles, what ROMNEY DOES isn’t the key thing – nothing can stop our conservative cause. The issue is, WHAT WILL ROMNEY DO, to HELP ROMNEY.

I do not accept the notion that it is up to us to go to him, hat in hand, and say OH PLEASE MASTER LET US IN, WE WANT TO BE WITH YOU SIR… heck no…. I like a lot of what I hear him saying. When he does what we like we should praise him and rally the troops. When he does not, we should either refrain from speaking out for him, OR CRITICIZE that which we do not approve.

I thank all of you who have made comments in this thread and for doing me the honor of reading this article, and especially those who have recommended or “liked” this article (yes you too Acat!!!).

https://www.facebook.com/HanoverHenry hanoverhenry

…that’s a novel approach to leadership clintonformccain. I was under the impression that the winner who wants to win in November, is in charge of his own campaign, and can do as he likes. If he wants to appeal to movement conservatives, great. If he wants to say “I can do this without you” that’s fine too. But I surely do not see how any of us have a say in the matter. I could not force south central Pennsylvania voters to turn out to vote for McCain the last time. They slumbered, producing about 8% less vote turnout than previous elections.

If it were up to me, we’d see a lot of praise for the positive that Gingrich and Santorum – and others who withdrew earlier – contributed by running, and do my best to be sure they were plugged in to the campaign.

But some still want to smack ‘em while they are down. I wrote in more detail on this in an earlier piece, http://www.redstate.com/hanoverhenry/2012/04/11/should-romney-appeal-to-santorum-voters-or-copy-ford-1976-strategy-vs-reagan/

Thanks for writing… and perhaps at some later point I can find out why you are “clinton for McCain.” I was under the impression after his “voice over” web ad (which I wrote about 3 days ago see http://www.redstate.com/hanoverhenry/2012/05/02/obamas-bridge-too-far-plan-for-special-ops-forces-after-speech-from-afghanistan/) placed him firmly behind Obama.

garfieldjl

If the primary is over, bullying Conservatives, picking fights with Conservatives, etc. will probably make it so they will not turn out to vote in November, and I wouldn’t blame a Conservative that chooses to do this.

I don’t have a good opinion of Romney, it’s just Obama has demonstrated he’s far worse than Romney of late in my opinion. However, there may be people out there that think Romney is just as bad as Obama, so they will not vote for Romney. Romney’s own supporters are not doing Mitt any favors in this regard, because they continually pick fights with Conservatives like myself.

commonsenseobserver

Mitt Nixon…
gekster

I hate Romney I hate Romney I hate Romney
I hate Romney I hate Romney I hate Romney
I hate Romney I hate Romney I hate Romney
I hate Romney I hate Romney I hate Romney
I hate Romney I hate Romney I hate Romney

A one track mind only goes down one track.
garfieldjl

You’re supposed to be retired and have some maturity.

I was stating the obvious fact that Romney Supporters that pick fights with Conservatives like myself (and you are a perfect example of what I’m talking about) are actually helping Obama.

You tick off the very people that Romney needs in the general.

I’m not going to kiss Romney’s boots, if Romney wants my respect he has to earn it.

There are very few people that one could say that I hate, I don’t like Romney, and I don’t trust Romney. That doesn’t mean I have a pathological hatred of him.

What next are you going to spam the Mormon card like Obama supporters spam the race card?
PowerToThePeople

to be a conservative, care about this country, claims to have any level of intelligence, and yet still states they will not vote for Romney in the general, will not vote as a protest, or will vote for Obama, then they are nothing but scumbags who are as far from conservative as Obama is, and their stupid decision will not be because of some poster here so stop with the BS.

And before you lecture Gekster on growing up or being mature, fix your own ass first. There is not one iota of respect for you on this board from any real or long term poster, but plenty for Gekster. you lecturing him on how to post is like Obama lecturing Reagan on how to be a good president.

And this is coming from a guy who has more than once told Gekster where he could go. And that place was not pleasant.

So to sum it up, contrary to your need for cuddling from internet strangers, people already know who they will vote for. They know they will do the right thing by voting against Obama or do the worst thing possible by voting for Obama or not voting at all, Nothing said here will change that one bit.

And Romney could care less about earning your respect. He, like the rest of us, have much more important things to do then worry about you.
garfieldjl

I said I was voting Republican in the general, unless Romney has now officially switched to another party, I don’t get what your problem is.

For the longest time Romney was at the same level as Obama in my eyes. To be perfectly blunt, Romney hasn’t improved in my eyes at all, Obama has just sank even lower than he was earlier. Part of the reason I was on the fence for as long as I was is due to Mitt Romney’s own supporters on this site (among other sites) and Team Romney’s own behavior. If not for the more recent events I would still be undecided.

I really couldn’t see Romney pulling some of the latest stunts that Obama has pulled (particularly trying to bully the Supreme Court is an example), however there are a lot of earlier stunts that they have both pulled and claiming that Romney didn’t do things that are clearly in his record is the height of idiocy.

Assuming you weren’t a Mittbot from day 1, why/when did you stop being true to yourself? When did you start finding it acceptable to start lieing about Mitt’s record, and that politics is more important than telling the truth?

Building up Romney’s record with fluff like what you are doing is going to hand Obama 4 more years. Dismissing Conservatives whom are needed to win in November as a bunch of brainless lemmings will hand Obama 4 more years.

That’s the difference between a Newt Gingrich Supporter and a Mitt Romney Supporter, we could recognize the man we supported had flaws (and I’m still voting for Newt on May 8th). Heck just about every other candidates’ supporters could admit the flaws in the candidate they supported (with the exception of Ron Paul nuts). Only ones that couldn’t were the Mitt Romney Supporters.

Your pumping Romney up is going to set us up to be slaughtered in the general, because you are providing ammo to Team Obama.

First step of winning in November is being able to admit Romney’s flaws, and being able to point out how Obama is even worse than Romney is. Honesty is the best policy, even more so when the MSM is going to be going over everything with a fine tooth comb to try to sink Romney.

There is something that you and gekster really haven’t figured out, the fact that I’m on the spectrum means that you are getting an honest assessment of the situation, and an honest opinion of Romney. Since you two are claiming to be supporting Mitt Romney, it is your job to build the case as to why we should support Romney.

Your bullying, taunting, etc. demonstrates the obvious fact that you can’t build a case that would pass any muster, and tells me we’re going to lose in November, because your bullying is more apt to anger independents in the General.

You claim to be retired gekster that means you should have plenty of time to build that case on why Romney would make a good President. I strongly suggest you do the research too and steer clear of fluff, because I will critique it and look for things to take it apart. Also seriously stop whining about me being too hard on Romney.

1. If I can deconstruct your case, you can be darn sure the MSM could deconstruct it. It is a lot less damaging to Romney for me to make sure you have a case that stands up to scrutiny now, then watch your case collapse in October.

2. If I were an Obama supporter, I would be encouraging you to continue your divisive behavior, not constantly confronting you on it.

3. My stance is honesty is the best policy, and the ability to tell the truth admit your flaws and move on is the best way to derail the MSM.

So, what’s it going to be you two: are you going to build that case or are you going to continue to imitate Obamabots and just fling insult after insult at me?
SoFiMil

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garfieldjl

I suggest you read it:
http://www.redstate.com/garfieldjl/2012/04/12/word-of-advice-for-romney-supporters/
gekster

It is more like they don’t nelieve your liberal crap.
I didn’y see many recco’s for your bull.
I womder why.
Moronic idiot.

(ok mods, I will stop now before the warning)
Doesn’t make him anyless of a moronic ididt.
garfieldjl

Instead of the personal attacks, shouldn’t you build that case I challenged you to make?
gekster

but insted continued on your anti-Romny rants.
You show yourself as a lib, and I have said as much.

That fact you havn’t desputed anything other than saying that you are conservatve, over and over again, trying to make your liberal rants seam conservative.
Ain’t working, as we know what mobies tend to do.
You are a moby, and we see what you are.
But tell us more how consevative you are, all the while tearing down conservatise, and the proclaimed purpose of this site.
Continue on maroon.

you
garfieldjl

Seriously, I’m waiting.
gekster

And the only one I see ticked off is you, and it appears to be that Romney is the nominee more than anything else.

And I don’t pick fights with conservatives, so if you think I am picking a fight with you, than that must be I don’t think you are conservative.
I think I said that somewhere before.
And rebutting your anti Romney trash is not picking a fight. It’s more or less me telling you I don’t buy into your trash talk.
Take that for what ever you want.

And you keep saying you represent the conservative base, when all I see is one disgruntled poster who uses alot of bandwidth smashing on Romney every chance you get.

You keep looking into a chrystal ball and keep saying Romney will do this or Romney will do that, when you don’t know, and all you have is an opinion, but try to push it off as fact.
Romney IS the nominee, and YOUR postings are doing more to help Obama than even Obama could if he himself were posting here.
Realising what you can do with what you have is more mature than running around with blinders on.

I suggest to you, grow up yourself, get with the program to try and unseat Obama, not try to undermine the one chance we have to get rid of him.

And I know that you won’t see that, your anti-Romney blinders won’t let you.

And it’s like I said, YOU do not represent the conservative base, no matter how much you tell yourself you do.
All I see is one disgruntled poster who, unlike many of us, know the evil we have to fight, and are grudgenly accepting the weapon we have to fight with.

Get on board, or just shut up.
gekster

you said: What next are you going to spam the Mormon card like Obama supporters spam the race card?

Do YOU see something wrong with his religeon.
I sure don’t, so why did you bring it up.
Sounds like a leftist ploy to me.
garfieldjl

What annoys me is that Romney supporters spam the Mormon Card to attack people that have legitimate criticisms of Romney based on Romney’s behavior.

In order to win in November you guys need to be able to establish a clear choice between Romney and Obama, not imitate Obama’s behavior and tactics such as Obama’s spamming the race card every 5 minutes by spamming the Mormon card every 5 minutes.
gekster

No where in any of my posts to you did I bring anything close to any religeon come up with my comments.
You brought it up to try and bait me, but I am a wise fish, and will ignore the lie.
It is obvious you yourself have a problem with that, in bringing it up.
And I don’t spam, I point out liberals playing consrvatives to anyone who reads.
Conservatives don’t have to claim to be one.
They just know they are and don’t care to convince anyone else.
You do try hard to convince people you are conservative, but your post shows you ain’t.

Idiot.
garfieldjl

Cause you are constantly accusing me of being a liberal.

I voted for Bush/Cheney in 2004 (I couldn’t vote in the 2000 election due to the fact I was under 18).

I voted Republican in 2006

I voted for McCain/Palin in 2008.

I voted Republican/Tea Party in 2010.

I was in the College Republicans before I got my bachelor’s degree.

Also, I don’t keep track of everything you post, though I wouldn’t put it past you to spam the Mormon card.

You’ve already repeatedly falsely accused me, then claimed I was using the fact I have Autism as a crutch.

Got news for you, I wasn’t pointing out the fact I have Autism as a crutch, I was only bringing it up to show how idiotic your accusations are.
gekster

You’ve been anti-Romney, and he IS the nominee, but you have posted more Obama tripe about Romney than I ever did when the primaries were still in doubt.
Either you are an idiot, a maroon, or worse.

Go to HuffPo, where they wll hail a liberal conservative as a hero.

And I long ago quit reading your tripe. It is all basic I HATE ROMNEY.
So don’t just go away, Juust go away.. You flippen maroon.
You stupid asinine idiotic maroon.
Yeah, I broke site rules. But I don’t care when it comes to respomding to a leftist ass enity circumfrance idiotic dufus maroon.
Please tell the mods.
I am going for the third cabibet file of complaints.
I’m trying to catch up to PTTP.
Flippen idiot.
garfieldjl

You say there is no way to convince me, well that is true when nobody is bothering to try to convince me. Instead you are attempting to bully me.

People challenged me to post a case for Newt Gingrich, and I posted it. Now I’m challenging you to build a case for Romney, every personal attack directed towards me is time that you could have spent making that case.
gekster

Romney is not Obama.
Flippen idiot.
You are actually that stupid that you can’t/won’t see that.
You are a maroon.
And in me saying that, it is an insult to all maroons.
You are a flippen idiot.
Get out of politics, because you don’t have a clue.
garfieldjl

I challenged you to make a case as to why Romney would make a good President, can you make the case or can’t you?

Don’t bring Obama into this, I asked you to make a case based on Romney’s merits.

Bush won in 2004 against Kerry because he was able to build a case FOR people to want to support him. Kerry lost because he couldn’t make a case FOR people to want to support him.

Reagan won in 1980 because he got people to want to support him, because he was Ronald Reagan; not simply because he wasn’t Carter. Yes there was the anti-Carter vote, but it was the pro-Reagan vote that was the deciding factor.

Bob Dole lost in 1996 because he couldn’t build a case for why people should support him. It was just about the fact he wasn’t Bill Clinton.
gekster

Romney is not Obams.
After you get over your Romney-hate, what more do you need, you simple minded maroon.
God in heaven you are the toltal idiot.
SoFiMil

I’m not sure who is more annoying (and amusing) – you or the Larson dynamic duo.
SoFiMil

Give it a rest.

https://www.facebook.com/HanoverHenry hanoverhenry

…were not constructive but, that begs the question, which? The ones so many of us objected to and which I agree with you, damaged the party and the cause, where those which sounded like personal attacks. It is one thing to argue policy – and to object to the other fellow’s proposals. But a lot of what we saw were personal attacks and as my article reminds us, sometimes it was Gingrich doing those (although I AM THANKFUL after it didn’t work for him, he backed off that a bit, and stuck with the issues more).

I’d also have to take a little friendly exception to your suggestion that only Newt “gave proposed solutions with details”. We saw some good ideas and equally important, a good defense of conservative ideas, from several different candidates. When that happened many of us were “for” that candidate and their poll standings moved up. Sadly, a variety of problems then came along with their moment in the sun, and back down they went.

So hats off to all those who ran with positive conservative proposals, and today, I wanted to simply put a spotlight on Newt and overlook a few of the things in his past where conservatives didn’t agree. I notice on some of the Facebook pages where a link to this article was placed, some folks want to have a grudge, just as some are still mad at Rick Santorum for trying to “make us” follow his morality (or whatever way they mis-read what his campaign was about).

Not sure whether Romney will agree that he “needs” any of the people we like the most but I am with you, hopeful that he will show leadership by at least doing what McCain did in 2008 – the Sarah Palin choice got conservatives very excited and even pulled him ahead in the polls for three weeks. Thanks for writing.

checkmate2012

It’s one thing to campaign and it’s another to dis the presumptive nominee on your way out! We don’t need that all-over-the-map spoiled brat in the General spotlight. And to think I was going to vote for the man …still can and won’t on May 29th!

garfieldjl

The fact Gingrich is willing to give his honest opinion of Romney, and not lick Romney’s boots actually makes me respect Gingrich even more.

In case you hadn’t noticed, Gingrich also pointed out that Obama is even worse than Romney.

I would honestly say that this makes Gingrich even more credible in going after Obama than any other candidate that was in this. The other candidates have been by and large starting to sing praises of Romney and doing complete 180s.

One pet peeve I have of politicians is that they constantly say one thing one minute and something else the next. I would like to see more honesty and less spin.

If Santorum had won, I don’t think Gingrich would have given any dis as you call it, same goes for the other candidates had they won.

gekster

Something your leftist views can’t let you do.
Assinine idiotic maroon.

garfieldjl

[quote]In case you hadn

Stricia

N/T
gekster

Tell me who cares what you think.
And correct spelling on the internet is the curse of the little mind.

Did I spell correctly enough for you, twiit.
snowshooze

Nor wisdom.
It is spelling.
gekster
demsaresatanic

first class loon is more like it;
http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2012/05/06/le-sueur-peas-wal-mart-briefs-free-trade-betrayals-and-a-middle-class-coming-apart/#comment-13345
gekster

I would show the articles, but you are so dense you would not comprehend.
I typed ‘real slow’ so you might get a clue.
Search ‘Gingrich suppports Romny’.
You won’t even have to use caps. to find it.
Idiot.
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

“I agree Obama is even worse than Romney, however I will not insult the memory of Ronald Reagan by claiming Romney is the second coming of Reagan like some people here are.”

nobody has claimed that. Complete strawman.

Second, there are many accurate praises you can make for Romney. Rather than come up with everything negative you possibly can, i suggest you open your eyes and ears a bit and learn about Romney’s good points. You seem close-minded and over-insistent on tearing down Romney, which obviously is why you are gettign into pointless catfight.

It also makes your complaints about gingrich being attacked seem, well, hypocritical. If you dont like Republicans being torn to pieces dont do it yourself.
garfieldjl

Seriously Freedoms Truth don’t make statements that I can easily debunk in under 10 seconds with a google search…

http://www.redstate.com/6755mm/2011/12/30/could-romney-be-the-next-reagan/

Granted this was worse on other sites but still…

Btw, there are other examples but I’m not spending all night digging them up.

As far as Romney’s good points are concerned or what he says he’ll do. I don’t care about what he says he’ll do, I care about what he will do in FACT, not what his rhetoric is. When record and rhetoric do not match, and he continues to defend items in his record that contradict his rhetoric, I would say record is a better indicator.

It isn’t my job to dig up stuff to support Romney, though you may be more apt to actually build that case I challenged gekster to make.

Pretend I’m an undecided independent for a minute, Why should I support Mitt Romney? Why would he be a good President?

You all claim I can’t be convinced, well that’s true WHEN NONE OF YOU HAVE BOTHERED TO SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN HE ISN’T OBAMA!!!
gekster

You want Romney to kiiss yor butte.
Get over yourselfe lib.
Isn’t Obamas kissing you enough already.
Shouldn’t you be getting back to your occuoy tent brfore you lose your place in the don’t rape us tent?
What libruary are you posting from.
garfieldjl

Why would I put a tent in a library?

While I probably have enough books here at home to arguably start a library, I have no interest in loaning books out to people that are total strangers.

Furthermore, I hate camping and think the Occupy Wallstreet morons went to the wrong address for their protests.

They should have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

They blame Wall Street for the everything, I blame the politicians in DC, particularly the Democrats.

You really honestly wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh. You would probably start calling Rush Limbaugh a left wing kook.

checkmate2012

He went on to say that he’d do all in his power to help defeat O…and that R earned the nomination after all, none of the candidates handed it to him. I really didn’t hear a, hey I’m all in for Mitt now.

Truth is, I don’t expect him whole-heartedly endorse Mitt now, but to say he is way better than the radical hardly puts him in firm footing with the Rep. party.

Put a fork in Newt….it’s over.

garfieldjl

I honestly respect Newt for the fact he gives his honest opinion and could care less about what the party establishment thinks.
gekster

you seam to alllways disagree with the CONSREVATIVE stance.
And then you wonder why me and others call you liberal.
Moronic dufus.
gekster

What should have Gingrich said, to unir the Republican party.
checkmate2012

Like I said, I don’t expect it right after someone cedes as there is some heated blood, but Next went past his expiration date and now would be a good time to at least admit R is not just better than the radical O but will do a fine job.

He’ll endorse R next week after R agrees to pays off his campaign debts! Hostage taker that Newt is
checkmate2012

to= too
Next = Newt
gekster

Two, Newt says he will do what ever it takes to expell Obama.
More than what others on this site will do.
And he has said that he will support Romney.
garfieldjl

Where the other candidates like Santorum are completely trying to act as though they never said anything bad about Romney (and will get called on it by the MSM), Gingrich hasn’t walked anything back, they can’t discredit him for a sudden 180.

That’s the beauty of telling the truth and being honest, there isn’t any lies to get tangled up in.

checkmate2012

not a hipocrit so far. Wait unitl R pays off his debt and see if Newt walks backwards or not.

Newt’s worst days were when he said R was for capitalism and millionaires and dissed the free market that conservatives live and breath for…Newt sounded like a Lefty IMO.

Like I said, so long Newt and I won’t miss you. He’s made me so mad I don’t even want him to have a Cabinet position now (used to), but a good citizen voice will do him just fine.
demsaresatanic

“R was for capitalism and millionaires and dissed the free market that conservatives live and breath for,” but perhaps you have the exact quote and are merely saving it for later.

checkmate2012

made when he & Santorum went after Mitt about Bain. My paraphrase quote was “R was for capitalism and millionaires ” and that’s all. I’ll give you the exact quote later but it was the Newt sounded like a Lefty when he slammed Mitt’s Bain record, that’s all.

demsaresatanic

and thanks for getting back to me.
garfieldjl

The term is vulture capitalism where one buys up a company, then loads it up with debt, while Bain walked away with millions, the company they wrecked collapsed.

Sorry, but I am with Newt on this, what Bain Capital pulled in those instances was unethical, I will be fair and point out the possibility that Romney wasn’t involved in those shannigans, but the point remains. Also I viewed the Bain Capital issue as a warning, because the Dems had been filming attack ads on this issue all the way back before the Iowa Caucus.

This issue probably will be brought up over the summer, and the plans to attack Romney using this were clearly in the works by the Dems long before Gingrich brought this issue up.

The one thing we can do is hit back using Obama’s ties to Solyndra and how he had GM’s Saturn division closed because they were non-union, and completely turned the Auto Bailout (which shouldn’t have been allowed in the first place) into a way to reward his political donors.

checkmate2012

Pure capitalism at work and nothing to be ashamed off IMO. If those companies were healthy to begin with they wouldn’t have ASKed for venture money. The fact is they were about to go under and Bain loaned them money on their terms…perhaps Godfather terms to agree with you on that. But in the end, if those same companies were financially viable, they would have gotten a conventional loan or tried to get money from a source other than Bain if they didn’t agree to the terms of the agreement or found another way out.

Kind of like those pay-day loan shops which I think are predatory, yet in the end, people do desperate things when they are desperate. No diff in my mind and Romney just needs to explain the plain ugly facts as they are and not sugar-coat them.

And let’s not forget that O broke the law via executive order and basic contract law in the case of the auto companies by denying the bond holders 1st rights to the leftovers after he disallowed normal bankruptcy proceedings, and then gave the company shares to the union! And as GM posts “record profits” and O and Biden tout what a great success story thanks to O’s illegal actions, GM still owes millions to the taxpayers that we’ll probably never collect. Thx for letting me know about the reality of the Saturn union and didn’t know that tidbit in the grand felonious scheme.

As far as the tally goes, we have so much more on O and it makes Romney appear as Ward Cleaver and that’s fine with me! Boring, unlikeable is just what I want for our president. Not some wanna be rock star with dust for brains.

garfieldjl

I’m not arguing with you on Obama breaking the law, which is our one counter to this vulnerability that Romney has. That said, while what Bain capital did was legal, it was unethical.

These companies weren’t desperate for cash, I don’t know all the details on how Bain got leverage on them, however it wouldn’t surprise me if they gained control via stocks. Some companies were unhealthy, but there were others that were healthy that Bain pulled this stunt on. Now, if one can prove it was one of Romney’s coworkers at the time that was doing these shannigans, then this becomes a whole new playing field and an attack by Obama on this issue would fall flat on its face (which I would like to see more amateur hour from the Obama Regime).

What many people misunderstood to be an attack on capitalism, was actually a warning to people. Gingrich was pointing out the cards that Team Obama was planning to play against Romney in the general, he wasn’t attacking Capitalism.

The nearest thing we have to counter Team Obama on this is the Auto Bailouts, which the MSM will try to bury.
JSobieski

as their source for information.

99.99% of the time, an ongoing business is worth far more than an asset liquidation of the company. That being said I don’t doubt that “consultants” can load up their clients with debt and service agreements, but that is shame on the client not Bain.

Unless there is something specific Bain is alleged to have done (like the Medicare fraud stuff), I don’t think conservatives should give the “unethical” practices much weight.

In an arms length transaction, people are entitled to be opportunistic to a certain degree.
PowerToThePeople

God forbid a company decide on their own what is the best way to make the most money and long term profit from a company they purchased, The horrors……….

You made the case much better than I ever could and was also able to use one of the worst movies to date in your context.
JSobieski

On a similar insane side trip, a year or so ago I (a Roman Catholic) had to argue here at Redstate that a protestant’s understanding of confession (which he based on movies he had seen) was in fact incorrect.
acat

although DeVito’s scene-chewing got kind of old.

Mew
JSobieski

Basically, the vulture capitalism model is far more common in Hollywood (which hates capitalism) then in the real world.
checkmate2012

Business in case you didn’t get the bid’ness drawl
JSobieski

I can believe that a desperate cash-starved company could be fooled by a Bain. The idea that healthy perfectly fine companies somehow fell under the rapturous charisma of Romney who then proceeded to milk the dry doesn’t pass the smell test. Particularly if such negative outcomes were a repeated many times.

Due diligence would reveal that kind of thing
checkmate2012

I prefer Monty Python- “bring out your dead…but I’m not dead yet”!

Garf- add negotiating with the Taliban terrorists and releasing them against us to the tally list. Oh vey!
gekster

but the long response would waste to much bandwidth on Team Obama’s
favorite poster here on RS, who wouldn’t get the point anyway.
checkmate2012

and I am saying that in a nice way. BO has racked up volumes up indiscretions and unlawfull actions that will be case law in the future for all to dissect and book publishers to profit on for years to come.

So please don’t get caught up on a few Romney issues you think he’s vulnerable on that BO can beat him up and win on; that’s the a small picture view. If BO can get 5 or 10 on him fine: we have hundreds on tap.

You’re falling into the MSM trance that Romney is against women, will set us back to Bush years, is a flip-flopper, etc. as examples, not necessarily yours I know. The facts are stubborn and their hyperbole is all they have to run on.

Smarten up and look at the big pic & I say that nicely. We will win if it IS based on past records of both candidates.
garfieldjl

If they did, you would be right, unfortunately they are so obsessed with getting in bed with Obama and having his babies, that they will do their best to bury Obama’s baggage, and believe it or not there are still quite a few people dumb enough to believe what the shills at MSNBC for instance say.
gekster

Your anti Romney crap is getting old.

Doesn’t matter what the MSM does, you give leftist thier talking points with what you post here.

And don’t thimk they don’t read RS.
They do.

And they will be using everything you are saying.
But then again, working for Team Obama, I supose that’s what you are getting paid for.
garfieldjl

You think I’ve been hard on Romney? If I was trying to sink Romney’s campaign, I wouldn’t be simply pointing out the stuff that I’ve already run across on line that it looks like the Dems were planning to attack Romney on these issues already.

I haven’t gone through Romney’s tax returns on a serious level. I’m just going through the pieces of the DNC’s gameplan that I’ve found online.

If we know what they intend to do, they are predictable. That gives us an advantage. What’s disconcerting is the first person that came up with a counter to Bain Capital was checkmate, just tonight.

Instead of attacking what I’m pointing out, maybe you should come up with ideas on how Romney can blunt and counter attacks in those areas. I’m pointing out these issues so people here can start thinking of how to blunt attacks in these areas.

The other reason is, that I want to keep Romney’s feet held to the fire, so he doesn’t start veering left.
gekster

And you take every chance to post them.
Why don’t you post Romney’s positives.
You want him to win, or sink him.
Your posts show you are trying to sink him.
(and you wouldn’t be the first mole to post her either)
garfieldjl

Look I’m able to figure out what they are likely to pull and I’m on the spectrum, this should be easy for a neurotypical like you.

Liberals use appeal to emotion, so think about how they would attack to try to set up an emotional reaction from the general public.

Being able to predict what they are going to do gives us the chance to derail their attack plans.
checkmate2012

nicely and with all due respect. The masses are on to BO’s no hope and no change crap. So don’t being up your spectrum stuff as it only seems that you use it as a crutch. I saw when you were barraged on it a few weeks back and it wasn’t pretty. Don’t go there please.

I think you’d agree that I’ve been respectful to you and your opinions but I won’t anymore if you bring the spectrum stuff up as a rebuff as I have a nephew….no more of that crap please.
garfieldjl

I was pointing out why gekster’s accusations of me being a shill for Obama was laughable.

This time I wasn’t bringing it up as a crutch either, gekster claims he has incredible powers of observation, well that explains why I’m noticing things he isn’t.

I hope your nephew is doing well btw.

In fact I know that I probably am able to pick up on the details better than gekster in this instance, I’m incredibly good at picking out small details that most people would miss. I also have a very good memory, which is why I’m piecing things together that certain people here have been unable to connect the dots.
gekster

If you had been here during the actual primaries, when anyone had a chance, and not at the last minute when it was clear that Romney would be the nominee, you would have seen that it was I who was so totally against Romney that you look like a squid compared to what I posted.
Fact is Romney will be the nominee, and you either get behind him and start spending your energy posting about Obamas negatives, or get out of the way and just shut up.

And even though you have been told this by many here, you just can’t help yourself and keep up the Romney bashing.
Your posts are such that you want Romney to lose, when the alternative is so worse, this country as we know it might not be here for our grandchildren.
Keep up with the Romney hate fest, and you will get more from me.
Get behing the one the voters have picked tp defeat Obama, or just plain and simple shut up.
Even a cave man could get that, or even you.
PowerToThePeople

and your claim, whether true or not, to be on the spectrum has nothing to do with whether or not you are truthful on these boards, are a conservative or a liberal, or an Obama shrill, period.

Fine you are on the spectrum, if you want a pity party just ask for one. But this continued announcements that you are on the spectrum are irrelevant and irritating. There are people on the spectrum that are on the liberal side, who lie, who are idiots, who are smart, who are conservative, etc so we look at what you write not your spectrum claims and many times so far you have shown your incompetence and stupidity in the writings you have posted.

And gosh, we are impressed that you claim to be more observant than Gekster or that most here are not as bright as you. Just as Checkmate stated, stop the BS with the whole spectrum crap.
garfieldjl

I brought up the fact that I’m essentially hardwired to be honest, not to use as a crutch as you suggest, but to point out that how incredibly stupid gekster’s accusations were, and your accusations too for that matter.

So, if you two stop with the bogus accusations, I won’t have to continue to bring up the fact I’m on the spectrum to show just how idiotic your accusations are.
PowerToThePeople

spectrum does not mean you are honest, conservative, or anything else. If you are too stupid to grasp that fact, then it clearly show you are on a spectrum, but it is not the Autistic Spectrum.

I am really surprised you can not see just how stupid your spectrum argument is. Personally, Now, just admit you want a pity party, I will arrange it for you, then we can continue to show you for who you are without the “I am on a spectrum” silliness.
checkmate2012

best not to bring it up at all.

You are astute and extemely persistant in an annoying way but I still spar with you and try to engage in respectful comments. I’m sure you’ll go on as usual with the same small stuff and was hoping to get you to see the big pic. C’est la vie.
garfieldjl

You are seeing pieces of the larger picture and think that things are going to turn out one way; I’m seeing different pieces of the larger picture which lead me to believe the results will be entirely different.

I am well aware of the fact I can be a very stubborn individual, which honestly has helped me a lot. When I focus on something then I try to figure out everything I can about what I’m focused on.

Finally, I approach things from a different angle than most people, your nephew probaby does as well. That means there are facts that you might consider that I don’t, however there are facts that I will pick up on that most people (including you) will miss.

What this is coming down to is the fact that we are probably looking at different pieces of the larger puzzle and coming to different conclusions. The conclusion I’m reaching based on what I’ve seen is downright scary, I very much want to be wrong about Romney, but I don’t think I am.

I agree Romney isn’t quite as bad as Obama, but that still doesn’t change the fact that Romney has a lot of problems putting it mildly.
JSobieski

respond to each other … EVER
gekster

Two points.

First ,garfield isn’t going to quit bashing Romney,
and I have no plans to quit being (insert word of choice, because so many would apply).

Second, who stepped on your tail.
(said with tongue in cheek)

How about you try to get garfield to quit giving the Dems ammo on Romney.
If he spent as much time informing us about Obama’s faults, as he does Romneys, well, I think he is a mole who just happened to show up when Santorum quit and Romney became the defaco nominee.

And garfield has taken everychance he gets to slam Romney.
Jack_Savage

But really, isn’t that my solution for everything?
garfieldjl

I don’t drink alcoholic beverages.
checkmate2012

I am not hoodwinked, you are. Yes, there are many cows that are blindly led by the MSM but I’m not one of them.

My point was you are being taken by them when you state they have Romney beat on one or two particular issues. My comment to you was so what! Let them make hay over 5-10 ‘ gotchyas cause we have volumes on BO-he stinks and his record as prez sucks!

Besides, you aren’t given the American people their due credit, who don’t even love politics or even watch MS, FX or CN but have a feeling that all is not well in the Obama kingdom. He’s going down big time and more so w/Romney as the nominee than Newt as the facts unfold. Newt is a loose canon and proved it again tonight…you just need to get over it.
garfieldjl

I’ve actually run into some Obama idiots IRL, that think everything is the fault of George Bush, Republicans, and the Rich.

The problem here is that Romney has baggage in the area I bring up. Pretending that it doesn’t exist just gives Obama ammunition.

Also as far as not believing the MSM, well you fell for the latest smear directed towards Newt here today, so I don’t think I’m the gullable one.
gekster

Heck, they don’t even have to do the leg work.
You are doing it for them.
garfieldjl

A lot of what I have been pointing out, the DNC was developing You Tube videos of back during the Iowa Caucus. In fact I even posted a diary pointing out an example of this.

Considering I have been pointing out stuff that from what I’ve read, viewed, etc. they already were preparing to attack Romney on these issues, I’m just pointing out what I’ve seen while I’ve been doing my research.

The other stuff I brought up is information that you can find in McCain’s research on Romney from back in 2008, which is readily available in the Public Domain. Unless you think Obama’s re-election team is made up incompetitent amateurs, they’ve had this information back in 2011 at the latest.

I’m pointing out what I’ve noticed online, I haven’t even been hard on Romney. You think I have been hard on Romney, you have no idea how nitpicky I can be if I actually wanted to be hard on Romney. In case you hadn’t noticed, I’ve been slamming Obama too.
checkmate2012

not Romney. Romney will do just fine and has proven he hits back. So give us all you have on Obama and not some petty little Romney stuff.

BTW, did you hear R was arrested for obstructing justice? True except the charges were dropped. Rebel Romney decided to pay a $50 fine and launch his boat with family aboard after a lake cop (?) said his boat license was too dirty to read. R went to court and won the case. It’ll be in the MSM tomorrow I suspect. Who cares…
garfieldjl

To keep people from thinking about how Obama’s policies have failed.
checkmate2012

of vetting Obama…give up on little R stuff as it ain’t sticking with this crowd anyway. Give us all you can find on O….there’s tons.

You ever go to thomas.gov and read a bill? I’ve been saying on this site the last couple of weeks that this whole rise in student interest rates is in the O’care and Student Loan Bill and the Dem’s wrote the bill w/o nary Rep.! Don’t forget BO swallowed all student loans during O’care. The bill also reduces Pell grants substantially by Dems design to make it pass CBO’s neutrality. This will be the next faux fight for the Left that THEY passed in legislation.

So BO goes on a campaign tour before his offical start (LMAO) and says the Reps. want rates to rise and use it as an imaginery wedge issue. Wrong answer and a blantant lie if one reads the bill which states that it will rise in 2012….clear as day and this is BO’s bill.

So I could use your help if you’re willing to research the bills and executive orders being passed without us knowing what’s in them, rather than the small R stuff that BO knows already.

There are way bigger fish to fry and the truth of this admin needs to come out and get a suntan.
checkmate2012

I start seeing some proof on the contrary, I’m with geskster that you’re a undercover BO lover. I never thought so even with your twisted rants but will have no choice to get on the sane train.

I tried to give you props when I thought you were being singled out, fairly or not, but I need proof. Prove me wrong Garf and get on the bandwagon or I’m done being nice. I know, some threat huh from a stranger, ha, but you know I’ve been more than nice and fair to you…
checkmate2012

only 30 seconds left…come on Garf!

Wish I knew how to enbed sound

Or pirate pictures!
gekster

I think he has dial-up.
About ten minutes should do.
checkmate2012

for being so stupid. My time is up on trying to help garf and after I gave such a worthy sugestion of thomas.gov that he’d be great at since it’s very tedious work and requires memory skills to boot! Must be my years of being a manager that I tried to match skills for annoying people.

My bad and I’ll believe you from now on…just one point. I think my time on RS is 3-4 months, b/4 Santorum suspended his campaign and do remember going head to head w/garf way back while the Primary was in full force with the remaining 4 anyway. No matter as I’ve been proved a nice fool.

Whistling “I was a fool and I surrender now”
gekster

(I love chess and love that name)
It is a wise one who calls themselves a fool,
but it is a fool who calls themselves a wise one.
checkmate2012

as in King O must not just be just under attack, but he must lose the election. I love chess too and played some a while back but picked it up again. Couldn’t believe no one had that name on this website…Breitbart was taken. (Side note- what’s up w/all the gay rights talkers here lately? Beating up on R for not keeping Grenell when I posted that Grenell quit after deleting 700 bad txts? They won’t let up and it’s getting annoying.
gekster

myself, I ain’t for gay rights.
Nor women rights.
Nor black rights.
Nor Mexican rights.
In fact, I am only for one right.

That is AMERICAN rights.

If you demand American rights, all the others are covered, if you are American.

When someone demands (blank) rights, they want ‘special’ rights.

Our constitution says you don’t get special rights,
only American rights.

But I am an idiot, what do I know.
checkmate2012

we said the exact same frickin’ thing! powertothepeople put down the hammer and it was so right, I had to respond. So then I got urs and walla- we said the same thing. Like my Mom & I say, great minds think alike Guess we just a bunch of fools & idiots- ha!
gekster

Go figure.
checkmate2012

..77. Same one the power2peeps just put tha hammer down on. They’re still going at it and such a weird place to be so vocal IMO. Never heard back from garf so talk with you later..oh- what state are you in? You know by now I’m a Texan.
checkmate2012

effect by just saying I’m whistling than hearing that familiar tune. Wish I knew how to do that

So it’s been about 30 minutes, not seconds, so you’re right, I’m wrong…hate that
gekster

To embed a video that you want to embed, look a the bar below the video.
You will see
checkmate2012

I copied & pasted for future use…at least I know how to do that! Was it mbecker that sent me the pirate Romney pic? I saved it and still laugh everytime I look at it !
gekster

Obama pays him.
He is out to undermine Romney.
Why else all the negative posts, with hardly a whimper against Obama.

And on a side note, garfield didn’t show up until Santorum dropped out, and has been posting anti Romney crap since.

It’s a, “let’s not say anything too bad about Obama, but rather lets show all of Romneys dirty laundry”.

And when challenged,
he yells as loud as possible,
“Hey, I’m a conservative even though I don’t post as one”.
checkmate2012

Last time I’ll say this, you’re looking at the small view instead of the big view. Ward Cleaver vs. King Obama. I vote for the underdog as many Americans do every time things suck in la la land.

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