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As A Matter Of Fact, Mr. President, Yes I do

Sigh...good times, good times...

By: Dave Poff (haystack) (Diary)  |  February 8th, 2010 at 10:13 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

I know, I know…he had his run and he didn’t really give us much during the second half of his second term to set up an electoral edge for Republicans going in to the ’08 cycle. He made some things, in fact, worse for us in several fairly big ways…but still-you gotta love seeing the Cowboy in Chief rub it in Bambi and the left’s face just a little… this story out of Wyoming, Minnesota (via Minnesota Public Radio-note-picture comes from the same link):

It was late at night and I wasn’t sure I’d seen the billboard correctly as I whizzed past it on I-35 in Wyoming last week on the way back from Wrenshall. But an e-mailer confirms I saw what I thought I saw.

Who knows if it’s a fake, or a hoax, or the figment of some poor guy’s imagination living up in Minnesota suffering from a little late-night brain freeze. And-who cares? THIS is damn funny stuff.

Consider this an open thread…

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  • SteveLA

    Thought old GW would have been part of the deal to buy the Rangers, maybe not.

    Commissioner of Baseball after Bud? 12 Days till pitchers and catchers report by the way.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      As long as Harriet Miers doesn’t ump the World Series :-)

      • SteveLA
    • haystack

      W running baseball? I would love to see that.

      • SteveLA
  • Deskpilot

    Like or hate hi political actions of inactions, G.W. is and continues to be a good and decent man who I believe, like Reagan, always put America and Americans first above all else.
    With each passing day, i think that more and more Americans are looking back and reflecting on the goodness of G.W. and recognizing above statement.
    I hope that that billboard is lighted for the night drivers. Would love to see a few more of them scattered across the fruited plains.

    • renny

      W did not take potshots at Dan Rather, did not attack MSNBC, did not offer foreign dignitaries iPods and cd’s as official state gifts, did not allow publicity-seekers to crash the White House during state dinners, did not stiff our allies by guaranteeing missile defense and then taking it away, did not treat Israel like an enemy, did not disparage US troops by calling them “corpse” men (and didn’t we hear all the time from Letterman and other sophisticates how terrible W was with the English language?), did not let his press secretary sneer at reporters’ questions, did not let his Attorneys General make idiot decisions like interfering with military detentions in order to send detainees to civilian courts, did not change his mind or statements on a daily basis, did not avoid military service (just flying F-class jets kills several trainees each year), did not visit military hospitals and grieving families for “photo-ops,” and did not lecture Americans like a cranky nanny.

      I did not like Bush’ No Child Left Behind or the Medicare drug programs, as I thought those things should be left to the left. Neither did I think the first “stimulus” made ec. sense and would never have turned the ec. questions of 2008 over to Paulson and his banking buddies.

      But President Bush makes the fool in the White House now look like a pygmy (even President Clinton looks like Lincoln next to Obama), and it should be noted, that the Little O just signed ANOTHER bill raising of the debt ceiling to over $14 trillion.

  • d_lamar

    As bad as Obamao is, four (or eight) more years of a RINO in the presidency would be worse. RINOs will get us to the same place as Progressives, only slower.

    They each are for high taxes, bigger government, less freedom.

    If this country is going marxist, then I’d rather it take place while under the control of the democrats. And with the speed that Obama, Reid, and Pelosi want to move the country in that direction, it’s more likely to cause a revolution among the people, either political or otherwise. The RINOs in the long run will get us there in their own time. (The boiled frog analogy).

    Just my 2cents worth.

    • gekster
      • 6eorge Jetson

        a) current tax revenues
        b) issuing Tresury Bonds (credit based on the ability to collect future tax revenues), or
        c) printing money (issued by the Fed’s fiat)

        For the first time, we began to pay for govt expenditures by fiat money last year. (In lieu of letting interest rates rise until there are enough bids to clear the govts needs.)

        Issuing fiat money is an implicit tax, as it provides the govt funds for operations while devaluing your outstanding dollars. (Check the value of the dollar over the past few years.) George W. Bush contributed to that implicit tax by spending at Ridiculous Speed. Only to be surpassed by Barack Obama, who is now spending at Ludicrous Speed.

        • Richard Mullins

          as Barf the mog in Spaceballs said. Right now with all the spending, Congress and the President have gone to plaid. We need them to hit the emergency brake, but of course there motto is “we brake for nobody”.

    • haystack

      This is “humor”…look it up. We would be far better off with more Bush than ANY of Obama-

      He was a Republican, not a Rino-he was just not a Conservative Republican…and the distinction matters for the next round of elections. If we are to prevent the marxism you anticipate, it is going to be due to Republicans AND Conservatives standing up together against it, not chewing eachother’s legs off insisting each is more ideologically pure than the other. We have elections to win.

    • bs

      You are a fool. Anyone who prefers what we have now to GWB needs to have their head examined.

      I smell moby.

  • qsclues

    Not to be all nitpicky, but I-35 doesn’t go through Wyoming…it starts in Duluth, MN and runs south to Corpus Christi, TX.

    I do like the billboard, though. Bush wasn’t perfect, but he was certainly better than either of the Democrat alternatives and either choice in 2008. And I agree with the sentiment of W for Commissioner; it seems almost ideally suited to him.

    • qsclues

      My Twin Cities geography just kicked in; the billboard was probably along I-35 outside of the town of Wyoming, MN. It’s north of the Twin Cities…that would make more sense. Now I almost want to drive up there to see it.

    • haystack

      .

    • http://itsaboutfreedom.proboards.com/index.cgi IronDioPriest

      In fact, I broke this on my small conservative forum three days before NPR or anyone else had it on their radar. My uncle’s friend took a photo of the billboard, and I posted it at “Its’ About Freedom” on 2/5. I should have made it a diary here!

      The billboard is located in Wyoming, Mn (between Stacy & Wyoming ) heading south on I-35 just before the Wyoming exit on the east side of I-35 just before Stars & Strikes bowling alley.

      You can read our forum discussion here….
      http://itsaboutfreedom.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=215&page=1#1651

  • Swamp_Yankee

    And there is no reason to apologize for it. Like W, I’ll stand my ground. I’m not one for groupthink and I dont care for fairweather friends. Underated POTUS who will get his due in time.

  • Tbone

    Just sayin’

  • Tbone

    Welcome back.

    • haystack

      ..

  • aesthete

    terrible president domestically, visionary, if flawed, on foreign policy (though not as flawed as his critics make him out to be). Can’t say I miss him, per say, but I do miss his decency and adult foreign policy.

  • joayn

    One of the best videos I’ve seen.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8Fzp2Ur5WU&feature=player_embedded

  • A.M. Prescott

    At least when Slick Willy screwed us from behind, he did it with a smile and a few soothing lies. And then some ice for our fat lip and an aww-shucks apology.

    The Obama version is a full-fledged gang-bang complete with brass knuckles, castor oil and the expectation that we’ll be grateful enough to yell: “Thank you, Sir, may I have another?”

    Yes, I miss W.

  • fotophun

    At least W was a CLASS act
    and a gentleman

    he is proving that even now
    When W was President, all we heard from Clinton and the peanut farmer, was Bush bashing

    I am sure W would have alot to say about the one that followed in his footsteps, who is not a gentleman
    but we do not hear a peep

    like I said a classy man
    I miss him very much!!

  • DONTREADONME

    it looks like an anteater with short fur?

    • nessa

      when we were kids. I think.

      • DONTREADONME

        funny anteater that guy.

        • Richard Mullins

          “The Ant and the Aardvark”. I think the aardvark’s best remembered line was “I’m going to get you ant”. I wonder who the voice of that aardvark was?

  • dsmurf

    there was no more sound bites that went along the lines of, “Bush Sr didn’t finish the job in Iraq,” from the Dhimmicrats.

    Who would of known that there aren’t WMDs without 100,000 plus troops there, and no more hand wringing over whether or not they had WMDs.

    Why do Republicans have to do all the dirty work?

  • momo

    and knowing that we had a president who had our backs!!!

  • RedBeard

    But the really tragic thing is that with Obama in the White House, I miss Jimmy Carter.

  • wendy

    As you can see, we are doing just fine without you! Better than fine!

    Health care deform: Dead
    Cap-and-trade: Dead
    Financial deform: On life support
    Mark-to-market: Beaten to a bloody pulp
    Economic liberalization: Coming down the pike shortly when we install actual conservatives into higher office

    We did all this by ourselves, no thanks to you and your lulling the conservative movement, the Party, and the country to sleep with your leftist poison cloaked as conservatism. By direct comparison, here is what you “gave” us:

    Medicare Part D
    EPA to regulate CO2 as a pollutant
    Sarbanes-Oxley
    Mark-to-market
    More regulations than I could read in a lifetime, tariffs, Keynesian “stimulus” checks, and bailouts

    You are a failure, a self-absorbed little man-child who, on a quest for self-esteem, sought a political office you did not deserve and knew you should not have taken because you were too incompetent to take it. Then, you screwed things up and let your VP, a loyal conservative and public servant, be demonized when, in fact, you had cast him and his superior judgment aside and wrecked the country on your very own. We are cleaning up your mess now, and we will be for years. Don’t think that because some people like you personally, history will not record the nature of your screw-ups. There is no excuse for you.

    To the crybaby businessmen in Minnesota who put up the sign: You need to take that smug mug down. Don’t look back in some sort of deranged nostalgia. Bush was the problem, not the solution. Man up! No crying now. We are doing great, we are going to win, we are going to take this country back. Things are working out as they had to. We are going to win. Believe it.

    • Richard Mullins

      because you’ve gone on a long rant. Yep, you certainly have BDS and need to find the medication to correct it. I’m really not sure you are even a conservative but you seem to pop-up when Bush’s name comes up. I bet you even voted for Obama with that cronic case of BDS. Go and get off the rant and comeback later.

      • bs

        Intellect (or lack thereof) seems to be primary among them.

        Anyone who prefers the current situation to GWB definitely needs the meds. Or a lobotomy.

        • wendy

          We are unquestionably better off having woken up and gotten rid of his destructive legacy. I am excited about the possibility of turning around the ship of state for the first time ever. If you cannot see what a profound success the past year has been, then go back to sleep. If you are going to whine about how put-upon you are from it all, then expect to be called a crybaby.

          • bs

            You’re quite the comic.

            You’re an idiot. The only “success” that has occurred is that we’ve managed to keep a finger in the dike. We control *nothing*.

            Frankly, I think you’re a Democrat here to piss on the rug.

          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            I’d rather he was still in office – I miss a President with class, dignity, and the ability to make a decision without justifying it in terms of how much better he is than his predecessor – but I don’t ban for it, per se. A lot of folks out there are still angry about that particular rubber hitting that particular road.

            But insulting Contributors? Yeah, I’ll ban for that in a heartbeat.

            Scram.

          • ocleverone

            Jeez, under this current administration the ship is listing 15 degrees to starboard and taking on water fast.

      • wendy

        I have just given you a partial laundry list of his major, major screw-ups. If you do not have the brains to see the significance of these, then you should not be commenting here. If you are more concerned about feeling good and cozy about the former Prezzy-Wezzy than about protecting the movement, the Party, and the country from total ruination, then you definitely should not be questioning others’ conservatism (or leveling immature charges about Obama-supporting).

        • Beasley Beesmeal

          or no one will take you seriously….

          • wendy

            But the bottom line is that without that passion, and without that clear-cut sense of right and wrong, then the status quo does not get moved.

          • Beasley Beesmeal

            I need some names..

          • cdyer88

            To those that mock her. It’s hard to take them seriously when they ask if she’s “on her meds.” Not really constructive. Disagree, but there’s no need to be nasty.

          • Beasley Beesmeal

            who was nasty?……it was not Richard

            mind your own business

          • Richard Mullins

            I wasn’t being nasty at all and I made a good assessment of wendy. She seem to be full of hate and it manifest when talk of George Walker Bush comes up. Either you see that or your blind to it. I’m thinking that you didn’t all that sleep last night because that blind hate from BDS keep you up. Anyways, you can go now because you’re not needed here.

          • wendy

            You say I have BDS, and I say you are a mindless Bush-bot. Labels are a two-way street, and don’t you forget it.

            I don’t understand your indignation. Is it because when lefties attack Bush, you take it personally because he is a Republican? The American left is dead, and who cares what they say anyway. Is it because you feel that criticism of Bush is a criticism of you because you supported him? If so, then you should take your lumps and admit that your support of Bush, except in narrow circumstances such as the surge, was a mistake, and by not admitting that mistake, you are compounding your error. As a responsible citizen, you have an obligation to take an honest inventory of the political past and not whitewash things.

            Look, Bush has earned every bit of criticism he has received from me. See my response to Mike below on why that is. It is no exaggeration to say that Bush almost destroyed the U.S. Had the mark-to-market regime continued, the U.S. financial system was going to collapse, followed by the economy, followed by our national defense posture and our superpower status. If you love your country, if you love your freedom, if you love your 401(k), then you should be absolutely outraged by Bush’s utter incompetence.

            In addition, Bush’s “leadership” was to lead us into a dead end as a movement and a Party. He lulled us into complacency with his sappy and insipid compassionateering, and conservatism got sloppy. See my list above if you need specifics on that. I don’t see how anyone can choose to overlook it. He is poison, a la Hoover.

          • Beasley Beesmeal

            and you haven’t answered my question…

            what was his motivation for doing the things you accuse him of?

          • wendy

            But he did chose to adopt neo/compassionate conservative ideology. He chose to believe in the expanded role of government as he did, and his actions followed from it. I am not saying he intended to destroy the country or wanted to see it destroyed. I am saying that he made choices that he reasonably should not have made, and destruction followed. He should not have run for higher office, he should not have bought into the ideologies he did (which came to us via the American left, by the way), he should not have fought for big government for years and year like he did, and most importantly, if he could not recognize the danger from mark-to-market, he should have at least listened to the multitude of voices who were screaming about it, and he should have had the cajones to go against his boy at the SEC and override him on it.

          • Richard Mullins

            No more talking to wendy.

          • Beasley Beesmeal

            :)

          • wendy

            If a point-of-view sounds foreign to you, you should consider the possibility that you are in fact not very bright and that others may see things that you were not able to figure out for yourself.

          • DONTREADONME

            not Bush. I would recommend that you unscrew your panties that are wound a little to far up your rear end. Bush as an executive was more a sucess than a failure, your beef is with the domestic spending programs, lets see I do recall I had a problem with those as well but they in fact originated in the GOP Congress and the stimulus checks was Democrat idea so knock off the BDS before you really end of looking like more deranged than you already are. Last word, Bush was far better than 0bama was ever; therefore, yes I miss GW if he was the alternative.

          • hickorystick
          • nessa

            …nice new title. you’re not a BDS deranged idiot.

          • Richard Mullins

            but that wasn’t reason to hate George Walker Bush. Most of the blunderside got equaled out by the Great foreign policy. I’m never a mindless anything and to think so isn’t even right. I think those that thought that Mr Bush was going to be a major conservative, never seem to listen to what we knew down here in Texas(for the most yes, but his over niceness to the Dems in the Ledge was sort of the same as his over niceness to the Dems in Congress). I have issues with Reagan(I can’t discuss them with him since he’s dead) on foreign policy(mideast to exact) but I don’t go on full hate with him. We’re just going to have to work on a better president for 2012. I hope those with mindless hate understand that.

        • nessa
        • Richard Mullins

          a BIG HEAD problem. Really, you seem a little tense there, maybe you need a massage. Sure there were a lot things on the domestic front that he messed up on but the foreign policy made up for a good chuck of that. The screwups that George Walker Bush made in on the Domestic front don’t come close to Dear leader. BTW, Mr Bush had sort of same tone with the Dems on the congressional level as he did with the dems in the Texas Legislature(the Dems in the Ledge hadn’t lost their majority since like the end of the civil war). You my friend need to re-think things first.

  • Beasley Beesmeal

    wow

    • Beasley Beesmeal

      ..

  • mikerazar

    I’m man enough to take the punch, Wendy, but hear me out first.

    GWB made some huge mistakes in trying to please the liberal media. Maybe he just couldn’t take the harassment on his foreign policy. We had a fine economy until 2007, when Nancy and Harry took over Congress. The President doesn’t control the economy. Smart money was scared silly by the electoral turn to the left. Even so, the recession was held off until late in 2008.

    I know this. GWB would never betray Israel, or, for that matter Australia if it came to that. I slept more soundly before BHO took over.

    One argument I would gladly have with you and all of RedState, if necessary, is on mark-to-market. Somehow, newt and Steve Forbes convinced conservatives that it is bad. Wrong! It is honest. Projected cash flow accounting or other scams are what you expect from Barney the Frank. Honest capitalists don’t pretend their assets are worth more than the marketplace says. Criminal faux capitalists in bed with government care nothing for honor or ethics.

    • wendy

      Mark-to-market caused the financial crisis, and you are simply totally wrong when you say that traditional accounting methods are scams, Mike. Such a notion came from the left, but it has seeped wider into the culture because it tends to resonate with people who have religious or secular guilt issues concerning money and profit. But in fact, mark-to-market as a mandatory regime is both immoral and in no way represents the true state of the firm’s financial health. It destroys wealth in and of itself, without regard to the merits of the underlying assets, through a positive feedback cycle with the money supply.

      Newt and Forbes did know what they were talking about, and it is only when mark-to-market was eased last year that the financial system and the economy rebounded. Since the rule is enforced by the SEC, and the SEC falls under the executive branch, the President is responsible. Bush was responsible for the financial crisis because he allowed this accounting regime to be implemented and to go on during his watch. Those are the cold hard facts.

      • Beasley Beesmeal

        hmmm?

      • Richard Mullins

        that was there even before that. BTW, what party had control of congress in 2007 and furthermore, what type was running that party? I’m sure you couldn’t even answer it.

        • wendy

          What bosh. I know more than you do about what caused the crisis, and it was not housing or the Fed or the GSEs. It was mark-to-market.

          And Bush’s SEC implemented mark-to-market, not Congress.

          • DONTREADONME

            gosh your dense. Do you really believe the problem was that singular! Go beyond step one, one pressure does not a recession or depression make!

          • ocleverone

            recognized by the Financial Accounting Standards Board. Those rules clearly state that illiquid transactions cannot be the basis for MTM valuation. Banks and financial institutions can reclassify their trouble assets to avoid using fair market evaluations.

            Which completely shoots a hole in your screed of MTM cause this mess.

      • DONTREADONME

        well. Remember the Congress was a Democrat institution for the last 3 years. Lastly, you seriously think Bush was worse than 0bama, you really need to look more closely.

        • wendy

          You cannot pin this on Congress (although you can always fault them for general stupidity). And Obama’s Presidency is done. He is a de facto lame duck. Divided government is a far superior outcome for us than a one-party rule that is moving left, as indisputably happened under Bush. Not that we should become complacent, mind you.

          • DONTREADONME

            problem. Commodities, GSEs, easy money/low interest rates, mark-to-market, risk taking, bubbles-flipping houses all of these things led to a dynamic collapse.

          • DONTREADONME

            Now if you’re going to tell me that sarbanes oxlyey act of 2002 led to a move of investment to the housing sector then to the commodity sector then OK maybe that was a catalyst, but by no means could it be the only factor.

            I am tryijng to tell you I saw a disaster coming in 2002 and again in 2004 but it was the housing bubble then the quick commidity bubble in 2007-2008 that were the final straws. When gas prices hit 4.00/gal that was the end!

          • DONTREADONME

            I think it was 51 D to 49 R’s then in 2003 it was 51-49 until jumping Jim Jeffords moved to I and gave the D’s 50 50 thus R majority because of the VP. So mark-to-market would have occured under the Senate controlled by the D’s and given the mood of the country at the time there wwas hell to pay unless the congress did something. Watch the movie fun with Dick and Jane for a reference of the mood at the time. Nothing like wasting a good crisis, which we should have done wasted the crisis and not did anything.

          • mikerazar

            Not greed, but dishonesty. The whole thing would not have occurred if CEOs and Boards had fulfilled their fiduciary obligation to their own shareholders. Contrary to claims by the left, firms have no fiduciary duty to the “system”. These crooks essentially bought assets, claimed that their value rose, and took big bonuses. When the true value of these assets came to light, the shareholders (and creditors) were left holding the bag. Naturally, an infusion of cash from Uncle Sam to pay off creditors at full price softened the blow, but counting on that hardly sounds like capitalism to me.

      • mikerazar

        I must have posted dozens of times in 2008 and 2009 on multiple sites on the topic of mtm. I even submitted testimony to FASB.

        With all respect, you make one unsupported assertion after another.
        You say
        “Mark-to-market caused the financial crisis, and you are simply totally wrong when you say that traditional accounting methods are scams, Mike.”
        The truth hurts. If a bank claims an asset is worth a million dollars (say my house) but the marketplace says it is worth half a million, and if I owe them $800,000 collateralized by that house, are you saying that you would invest in or loan money to the company carrying my mortgage? Sure, if I keep up 30 years of payments at 9%, then the loan will be fine. But what are the odds? Millions of underwater loans have defaulted because it is rational for homeowners to do so. Is it moral? Maybe not. But that’s what happened.

        Unless the foes of mtm are willing to put up their OWN money to back their theory, it is just another example of telling other people how to invest their money. I don’t see how that is conservative. If anything, it is the left which opposes mtm, because it leads to more transparent financial transactions.

        Newt and Forbes should be ashamed of themslves for lending their reputations to this argument. MTM does not destroy value; the marketplace does that. The most important pillar of capitalism is the free market. The free market obeys the law of supply and demand, not the SEC or FASB.

        Blaming the SEC makes no sense. Do you think the value of a firm is determined by accounting rules? No,,. It is determined by how potential investors value the firm. Sophisticated investors make their own judgments based on multiple factors. Sure, if you can fool investors with phony accounting numbers, you can “rescue” a bank. That just transfers the risk to somebody else.

        From past experience, I know I am unlikely to convince you Wendy, but I love the debate.

  • http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway
    • nessa

      I have my issues with President Bush but I was proud to serve in the Global War On Terror, after serving all those years under Bill “define ‘is’” Clinton it was a refreshing experience. for all his faults he was truly a Commander in Chief.

      Where is that thread where I was warned not to under-estimate Obambi’s skill as an orator? I don’t remember but here is a recent example of an orator. kiss my conservative a$$.

      • http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

        …genuinely liked us. Our current CinC I feel thinks of us as political tools to be pulled out of the box before cameras, then forgotten about.
        I hoped when we met the coffins at the AFB things would’ve maybe changed a bit.
        I should stfu I guess if I hope to get my retirement points for 20 this year.

  • blooch

    Predictably, he is a repeat offender. Also predictable, the Left is defending his fraud as a freedom of speech issue.

    http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2010/02/bg-mcsoulpatch-arrested-by-fbi.html

  • d_lamar

    It appears that only Wendy and I are the only commenters that think that GWB created an environment which practically destroyed the Republican party.

    I’d like to add another comment that no one has mentioned that seems to dispute the argument that at least Bush was an “honest” president. I’m not so sure.

    During the campaign against Gore, he campaigned enthusiastically for school vouchers. No doubt, to get the conservative, evangelical vote. It worked. I strongly supported him, thinking that he was being honest about that issue. A lot of my church friends did too. We worked and voted for him.

    After the election, what happened to school vouchers. The same as BHO’s transparency with health care.

    Also, his teaming up with John McCain on the illegal amnesty issue seemed to be a clear betrayal of conservative principles. His wanting to be liked led to an environment where the libs hated him, and the conservatives felt abandoned. Result: McCain becomes the nominee and the rest is history.

    • Beasley Beesmeal

      you accuse him of doing things with bad intent…..

      as with Wendy…I think you are totally full of crap…

      see you around……….

  • d_lamar

    This issue can be boiled down to this question: Which is worse in the long run, a radical marxist such as Obamao or a so-called moderate Republican, such as GWB, Ford, GHWB, etc. ?

    I submit that if you give it a few minutes of thought and study of history, the answer is easy. A left leaning Republican allows the dems to get part of their agenda. They may act like they’re not happy about the situation, but in the end, their agenda is moved forward.

    At the same time, the conservative agenda is not pursued, and so the bottom line is that the status quo is moved leftward.

    This also has the result that the left’s program, whether a senior prescription drug program, OSHA, or whatever, if it doesn’t work, will be blamed on the republican, because he was president when it was adopted.

    The dems incrementally achieve their goals without any accountability, or resistance from the republicans.

    On the other hand, BHO, being the radical that he is, immediately alerts the country to his marxist ways, and opposition is galvanized. His agenda, other than the appointment of judges, is laid bare for what it is.

    So in the long run, the moderate republican will result in the marxist eventually prevailing. It may take years, decades, generations, but the result is the same as if Obama had achieved it himself.

    This, of course, would not be the case if the moderates had the will to in return for agreeing to the libs agenda, that one of their programs was abolished in return. Such as the elimination of the dept of education or energy, But that never happens. We all know that history proves, like Reagan said, that the closest thing to immortality on earth, is a federal program. So the country incrementally moves to the left, and never stops moving that way.

    My hope is that Obama may demonstrate to the average person that this leftward drift has to stop. And no thanks to the moderate Republicans who seem to be only interested in getting elected, re-elected, walking across the aisle to his democrat friends, and just getting along.

    I, for one, don’t believe that Pelosi and Reid should be our friends. They’re out to destroy this country as we know it, and Idon’t believe that comity with them gets us very far in stopping them.

    • Beasley Beesmeal

      ?

      • DONTREADONME

        righty-o, par for the course I guess, Is it so hard to say that the GOP destroyed the GOP! .

  • Beasley Beesmeal

    and I was looking for an idea for a new Strip!

    sweet

  • d_lamar

    I’m just pointing out that in the long run, a moderate republican as president will cause more harm in office than Obama.

    Obama’s agenda will be stopped, hopefully with this fall’s election. And other than the harm that his appointment of judges will bring to the country, he will neutered.

    If McCain had been elected, the harm that he would cause would go on for years, and would likely be permanent.

    I think that the beauty of the Tea Party movement is that a lot of average, non-political people are finally figuring out that there’s not a dimes worth of difference is the democrats or republicans, and a drastic change is in order. The radical dems and the moderate republicans need to go.

    • Beasley Beesmeal

      I was hoping you would ‘reply to this’

      master it……then we’ll talk

      • d_lamar

        I don’t understand what you mean. I’m new to posting, and apparently too naive to understand what you’re getting at.

        • Beasley Beesmeal

          now I know who you’re talking to

          now, if you continue with the Obama is better than a modera…….errrr…..better than Anything, you’re not going to make many friends here

  • d_lamar

    Surely you’re not suggesting that McCain would have been better in the long run for this country than Obama. Like I said, Obama’s agenda will be stopped. His marxist agenda is so radical and clearly visible that he will be able to be stopped, hopefully, now that some of the republicans in congress have found their voice.

    McCain’s liberal agenda would not have been stopped. The Republicans in Congress, like they did with Bush, kept quiet, while the leftward drift was promoted by Bush, and the libs in Congress.

    It took the popularity of the Tea Party movement and commentators like Rush to speak out against the Obama agenda. It certainly wasn’t the Republican leadership.. Have you forgotten what scorn was heaped on Rush when he brazenly stated that he hoped that Obama’s agenda would fail.. You didn’t hear that kind of talk in Congress among McConnell or Boehner. They were too concerned about being popular, or being seen as obstacles to what they perceived to be a popular president.

    If McCain had been elected, we would already have illegal amnesty, some sort of universal healthcare which would include all illegals, and some, but maybe not as much as Obama’s, stimulus spending. The crossing of the aisle to come up with a bi-partisan solution to problems with his friends would have been nauseating.

    I personally would rather see Obama’s agenda stopped cold, than McCain’s agenda to go on for eight years.

    • Beasley Beesmeal

      I had high hopes for you…

      and…. you think you can see the future….you have NO CLUE what McCain would have done

      plus, we were quite prepared to battle the Maverick

    • DONTREADONME

      can really, I mean really tick people off, and it doesn’t necessarily allow you to get the last word in.

      • Beasley Beesmeal

        seriously………I can’t remember Anybody being gung-ho to get mavericky…….it was kind of unanimous

  • d_lamar

    regarding what McCain would do. But we know what position McCain has on these issues. He’s for illegal amnesty, he voted for the bailout, and he believes, like Bush, in the so-called compassionate conservatism.

    We also know from history that Republicans will not battle their own party’s president on any issues. They’ll quietly adopt whatever the president wants.

    So you don’t have to be a phophet to predict what McCain would do.

    I don’t understand your putting so much value in having moderate republicans in congress. For instance, apparently Lindsey Grahm (?spelling) and John Kerry and in discussions to come up with a version of cap and trade as a solution to global warming. I don’t think that this be-partisanship does anything but harm this country. It gives people the idea that republicans believe in man made global warming, and that government has a role in solving the problem. It lends credibility to Pelosi and Reid.

    Like Rush says, the republicans answer to the dems agenda should not be maybe or no, it should be hell no.

    • Beasley Beesmeal

      ok D……how about National Security?

      McCain v Zero…?

    • hickorystick

      Is that being clever with Beesley? repUblicaNs with a small r could be French my friEnd.

      • d_lamar

        that was a typo. That happens when I get too excited.

  • d_lamar

    McCain also is for closing Gitmo. We just don’t know where he would put the prisoners, probably not Illinois. Maybe let Joe Arpao take care of them in Phoenix.

    McCain thinks that waterboarding or other inconvenient types of questioning is torture. He doesn’t want to offend the Muslims.

    So on these two issues, no difference.

    Neither of them believe in any real kind of airport, or aircraft security. In my opinion, until we start profiling for young, middle eastern men and women, we’re doomed to fail in that area.

    It appears that both Bush and Obama were and are totally unwilling to stop either North Korea and Iran from going nuclear. They both like to talk about UN sanctions. I’ll bet they’re really scared.

    My opinion is that Bush and now Obama were (are) not willing to wipe out islamic fascism. I don’t believe that Islam is a religion of peace, as Bush and Obama have said. They’re at war with us, and we’re more interested in not offending them.

    The Fort Hood assassin moved up the ranks during Bush.
    Political correctness in both parties prevent us from taking any real action against Muslims to stop their eventual control over our culture. They’re getting awfully close to becoming majorities in Western Europe, and there’s no reason to think that the same thing won’t happen here if given enough time. They seem to be very efficient about having a lot of kids, they have no interest in adopting our culture, and they’re very serious about wiping out everyone who is not a Muslim.

    The bottom line is that unless both parties change their attitude toward Islam, our traditional culture, in the long run, is in deep trouble.

    I hope that it doesn’t take a nuclear weapon going off here to wake people up, but I’m afraid that is the case.

    • Beasley Beesmeal

      alright D….who’s your man…or woman?

      who do you want in charge? best case scenario

    • hickorystick

      between McCain and Obama??? When the Russians invaded Georgia (Europe, don’t want to scare ya) you think the reactions and world-view were the same? Frustrations with Cows straying out of the barn is very different from a Wolf climbing in the house.

  • d_lamar

    No, I don’t think that McCain and Obama are the same.

    Obama, in my opinion, is a Muslim. There are too many clues that he has revealed that indicate that his loyalties are to Islam. Obviously, that is incredibly dangerous for our security.

    On the other hand, McCain is an unknown. I would like to think that he would be tougher to protect our national interests, but his willingness to negotiate (walk across the aisle) also scares me.

    If I had to choose between the two, I would of course pick McCain, but I don’t have the confidence that I would have in an Eisenhower or Reagan.

    My choice to best protects us is a person who really loves this country, wants to retain its traditional values and culture, and is not concerned with political correctness. Joe Arpao comes to mind.

    • hickorystick

      allows for a little conversation.
      “My choice to best protects us is a person who really loves this country, wants to retain its traditional values and culture, and is not concerned with political correctness. Joe Arpao comes to mind.” I can dig that!
      And I think that candidates would do better if they would drop some of their talking points, and spend more time talking about what they like about their Country. They often get so geared up about making an impression on the campaign trail they forget to let their human side out.
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      • d_lamar

        Jack Bower would be ok. Generals George Patton or MacArthur reincarnations if we could find them would be good.

        Our country has been weakened by, as Rush says, the “chickafication” of men.

        If we had been governed in 1941 by our current leadership, we’d be speaking German or Japanese now.

        • hickorystick

          criticizing our imperialism..

          • d_lamar

            Obamao would be telling the world that he’s sorry that America, under Bush’s leadership, caused the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor.

  • d_lamar

    For a great essay on the danger posed to our country by Islamic fascists, this is a great read.

    http://www.icjs-online.org/index.php?article=1414

    • DONTREADONME

      use reply to this or it makes you look like a pecker trying to get the last word in!

      • d_lamar

        Is that the best argument you can make for your position?