This is almost too crazy for me to believe is actually happening in America.
The disastrous “service” bill I described earlier today is being rushed through the Senate to get it over to the House as fast as possible. Cloture will be filed in the Senate tonight (I am told) which means there need not be a final cloture vote until Friday, and then there would be additional time for debate and vote on final passage… but instead, there likely will be a “unanimous consent” agreement to having a vote by tomorrow night under threat of “staying in over the weekend” (which includes Friday – a scheduled “no vote” day) by Harry Reid.
This is how it goes in the Senate. Rush a 300 page bill through the Senate that will fundamentally re-shape the relationship not just between government and charity – but between our national government and charities nationwide, small and large… all so that Senators don’t have to be bothered over the weekend. After all, they have fundraisers to attend – fishing trips to take – golf matches to make.
This bill should scare the hell out of every American Our national government in Washington – the same folks who are supposed to be managing our budget ($10 Trillion+ in debt and running), our borders (10 million illegal immigrants or more?), and who brought you social security and medicare (each of which are bankrupt) – are now going to tell us how to volunteer, and start telling our kids that they must volunteer and with whom they must do it.
This is a complete outrage – and reminiscent of the old Soviet Union. A friend living in Russia today – and who has a pretty good understanding of that nation’s history – received my earlier post and responded thusly:
One of the things that Alexis de Tocqueville noted about American society is our willingness to meet community needs – without government funding or without being compelled to do so. He wrote extensively on how community church groups, shelters, and hospitals were a uniquely American phenomenon. Of course, Americans don’t need government approval or encouragement to do this type of volunteer work.
The most insidious thing about the Serve America Act is how it will be used by liberals for indoctrination purposes, which is how the Soviet Union used its youth organizations. Sen. DeMint makes the point that the Boy Scouts, absent government interference, is an institution that is able to inspire the same civic responsibility and public service that the government wants to bring about through this act. The Soviets had their “Young Pioneers” clubs and the “Union of Communist Youth,” which both fulfilled the same purpose as the Serve America Act.
On the surface, they promoted the same “feel-good” civic responsibility Obama espouses. In reality, the clubs were indoctrination organizations where the Communists were able to ensure that the young generations were brought up being taught the virtues of Communism. In fact, members of the “Union of Communist Youth” (Komsomol) were often asked to carry out propagandistic exercises, which were usually anti-religious activities. (See Ralph T. Fisher, Jr. Pattern for Soviet Youth, New York, 1959.)But more than that, the Serve America Act will also mean that the government has decided not just that Americans OUGHT to be involved in socially responsible activities, but the government will now be identifying WHAT constitutes civic activity. Surely volunteering at a crisis pregnancy center or pro-life group would not fall under this act, even though those organizations help countless troubled women. This, too, is a Communist tactic - to make legitimate those activities that further your cause and to put red-tape around those activities (religion, family life, conservative arts and literature, etc) that contradict the Soviet master plan.
The Soviet government didn’t shut down all churches immediately. It was a somewhat gradual process. In July of 1917 the Soviets passed a law that placed all schools - including those that were run by churches - under the control of a Ministry of Education. Once the schools were under the Soviet government’s control, the State was then able to withdraw funding for the church-sponsored schools. These things don’t happen - in Obama’s America or Lenin’s Russia - overnight. And that’s the scary part of the Serve America Act.
When the Soviets took over the schools, they said it was to increase literacy (a truly laudable goal). In fact, the objective was to eliminate religious education for any child in the Soviet Union. It’s the same idea here: the government promotes a Serve America Act, which seems like such an innocent concept – encouraging more Americans to volunteer. Americans, as Tocqueville observed, are very generous with their time and money.
So what is the problem with having government encourage more of this activity? The problem, of course, arises when government red tape limits churches’ ability to recruit volunteers for its activities, or when the government compels high school students to volunteer only for “approved” organizations; the government is thus able to significantly increase its influence over America’s youth and to dictate which organizations are worthy of community service.
A lesser known objective of the Soviet Union’s Young Pioneers is that it was supposed to consume children’s time. One of the Soviet goals was to remove children from their homes with their parents because the government did not want the children to be learning religion at home from their parents. Trotsky and the Soviet Minister of Education were very concerned that the private life of children was undermining their Communist education from the schools. It was better for the children to do “civic activity” where they could learn the Communist values. How is that any different from Obama’s objective to keep America’s young people busy being indoctrinated about…global warming, birth control, or…? The more time young people spend doing “compulsory volunteer” work (whatever that means) is less time for them to volunteer with their churches, join the Boy Scouts, etc.
If you haven’t prayed for the well being of our nation in the face of this assault, please do so. If you haven’t called your Congressman or Senator to tell him you will not support him if he votes for this bill, please do so. If you haven’t informed your friends and family about this, please do so.
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I truly fear, and I mean FEAR
USNJIMRET Wednesday, March 25th at 6:07PM EDT (link)that the who AIG, bailout, porkulus financial mess was meant to distract from this one bill.
As so many have noted, everywhere BUT in the mass media, this one bill does more long term, generational damage to the very fabric of the United States then all the money things.
And, like the Wizard in Oz, we were never supposed to look behind the curtain.
And, apparently, many didn’t.
who was supposed to be 'whole'....Sheesh....NT
USNJIMRET Wednesday, March 25th at 6:09PM EDT (link)You are right
MikeO Wednesday, March 25th at 6:32PM EDT (link)You are right, but I think you are a little wrong, as well.
In my opinion, TOTUS and his minions are looting the treasury in a huge lefty smash-and-grab free-for-all. Everything else is a diversion.
The problem is this: TOTUS is a community agitator. He precipitated the AIG demonstrations and bus tours. He will eventually (sooner rather than later) agitate chaos that nobody can control.
The question we have to ask ourselves is a simple one: Should more widespread chaos come, what will things be like when order is restored? Will it be what we have today, or will it be more akin to what Castro brought to Cuba and Pol Pot brought to Cambodia?
Beans, booze, and bullets.
It's total crap
10ksnooker Wednesday, March 25th at 7:07PM EDT (link)Who would allow their kid to be drug off to an indoctrination camp.
The state won this battle a long time ago.
mom2oneson Wednesday, March 25th at 11:04PM EDT (link)In 1852 the military forced children to attend a state school.
Many sign up their children up to attend a state school which is very much a day camp for indoctrination.
I wrote both my Senators
reddog53 Wednesday, March 25th at 7:11PM EDT (link)about this when I first heard about it via Red State last week. The previous diaries pointing to the White House website regarding community service had alerted us…but the speed with which all of this is hitting is truly amazing.
Is there any way to force a recess of the Senate? The House? Things might could get back to normal if we sent everyone home for several weeks…sort of the reverse of what the House Republicans did last summer over the drilling issue.
I faxed Hogan's article to both of my senators, too, and copied Michael Steele, McConnell and Cornyn
ColdWarrior Wednesday, March 25th at 7:22PM EDT (link)the supposed “leaders” of the “opposition.”
Pathetic.
American first, conservative second, Republican precinct committeeman by necessity.
http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com, so you can say, “I became a precinct committeeman before it was cool.”
“[Primary e]lections have consequences, my friends.” — John McCain
It's already there
Menlo Wednesday, March 25th at 7:54PM EDT (link)The following is already included in the bill:
SEC. 1304. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.
Section 125 (42 U.S.C. 12575) is amended to read as follows:
SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.
(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:
(1) Attempting to influence legislation.
(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.
…
(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.
“Guess which party these big insurance companies favor? Big companies love big government.” -Ann Coulter
Gee, what an interesting 'unintended consequence', banning every kind of religious charity in the country! NT
USNJIMRET Wednesday, March 25th at 8:57PM EDT (link)Agreed
athelas Wednesday, March 25th at 7:56PM EDT (link)http://distributedrepublic.net/archives/2009/03/25/obamas-statist-service-plan-about-pass-congress
http://ssmag.wordpress.com
If this passes, I have two words: CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
JustLeaveMeAlone Wednesday, March 25th at 8:12PM EDT (link)n/t
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
A "republican" will bail you out of jail for civil disobedience...
Amy Miller Wednesday, March 25th at 9:02PM EDT (link)…but a RedStater will be sitting beside you in the cell saying “DAMN! THAT WAS AWESOME!”
But seriously, folks…
This is scary!!!! Hogan, I’m so grateful for your Russian friend’s response to all of this. People on the left will of course cry foul back at any dissent when this finally hits hard, but the comparisons are too creepy/close/eerily familiar to be ignored. Harking back to Menlo’s comment…convenient how that little gem was buried in the middle of the “can not haz” list…..
~puts down popcorn in disgust~
~A
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“Ah, yes, it’s the apocalypse alright. I always thought I’d have a hand in it.”
Hey Amy....
JadedByPolitics Wednesday, March 25th at 9:27PM EDT (link)“but a RedStater will be sitting beside you in the cell saying “DAMN! THAT WAS AWESOME!”
That is awesome and I think you are RIGHT!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
I am dead serious about this
JustLeaveMeAlone Wednesday, March 25th at 10:18PM EDT (link)Years ago, I remember one “society” lady in Richmond, VA, preventing the city from paving the cobblestones on Monument Avenue. How? When the machines showed up, she laid down in the street in front of them and refused to move.
The paving project never went forward.
I don’t have kids, but I do have nieces and nephews. And when the government thugs show up to herd them into buses for their training camp, I’ll be the lady laying down in their path.
In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote that government derives its “just powers from the consent of the governed.”
Well, I do NOT consent.
I’ll bet I’m not the only one.
So the Marxist community agitator and his koolaid-addicted minions will NOT mess with those kids, not while I’m breathing.
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
JLMA, You're definitely not the only one!
Amy Miller Thursday, March 26th at 1:04PM EDT (link)I don’t have kids either, but I still don’t think involuntary servitude is an awesome idea that will promote patriotism and lovingkindness and oneness and hopey mcchangeness….blah blah blah.
I HEARTLY withhold my consent.
As for laying down in front of the training camp bus…I have a feeling that the wheels on THIS bus are going to go ~thump thump thump~ over anyone who tries to stop it…can we shoot out the tires instead?
~A
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“Ah, yes, it’s the apocalypse alright. I always thought I’d have a hand in it.”
like at the end of the sound of music with the nazi cars! nt
mom2oneson Thursday, March 26th at 7:26PM EDT (link)Amy that was so cute. :-) nt
mom2oneson Wednesday, March 25th at 10:52PM EDT (link)This needs to be delayed through the courts.
paulincolo Wednesday, March 25th at 8:58PM EDT (link)This is generally a tactic used by the left in which I generally disagree, but we should take a lesson here, but once this starts, people who have standing (people with proper age children) must file suit against the government for involuntary servitude. Hopefully, there will be some legal white knight organizations that will volunteer their time to end this travesty. If it can be delayed a few years, it can be repealed once America is paying attention.
When it truly is unconstitutional
aesthete Wednesday, March 25th at 9:56PM EDT (link)There’s absolutely nothing wrong with appealing through the courts. The federal government has not been entrusted with the operation of charitable services, and even the Commerce Clause doesn’t cover this. In fact, the fact that it disallows certain groups from participating because of their speech (”religious proselytization”) probably makes it unconstitutional according to the 1st amendment, as well.
OTOH, if that abortion of a bill, CFR, got through without a peep from the SC, I have no idea how a case can be made against this bill. It’s unfortunate that these past 8 years have just been Dem lite as far as following the constitution goes. I’m starting to go from “disliking Bush’s policies” to BDS. Man, I’m depressed now
“The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.”
-G. K. Chesterton
“To be ‘cured’ against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
-C.S. Lewis
None of my friends believe this...
larryp Wednesday, March 25th at 9:12PM EDT (link)because it is not in the “paper” or on the “news”. It is just an internet srory.
I can’t send them a link to it either, won’t open it. Even my church is all agog over Obie.
A perfect storm, but my church will be left broke from this.
Mark Levin mentioned Repub. senators who supported this
katesmith Wednesday, March 25th at 10:02PM EDT (link)On his radio show today Mark said Republican senators again provided no leadership to block this bill. He mentioned McConnell in that category. Then said Gregg approved this or something similar, that it was a good idea; McCain approved it, also Hatch (a lost cause Levin says) and Wicker. Also Snowe but that goes without saying. Reading excerpts from his book, Levin reminds conservatives must decide to have a personality change, giving up has become standard.
Become teachers, start getting into fields they have taken over.
Question:
aesthete Thursday, March 26th at 10:23PM EDT (link)Was Hatch always this bad, or did he suddenly just start sucking.
I as because he comes from Utah, one of the most conservative states in the union.
“The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.”
-G. K. Chesterton
“To be ‘cured’ against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
-C.S. Lewis
Not my daughter...
Wing Zero Thursday, March 26th at 1:26AM EDT (link)I will not allow my daughter to become indoctrinated by this man or his minions.
She is the most precious thing in the world to me and my wife.
Whatever it takes.
1-21-09 - We are so screwed… Wait… maybe not just yet.
Volunteer is not servitude!
1stRichard Thursday, March 26th at 5:06AM EDT (link)As HR 1388 was done the house, see ‘‘SEC. 125 (a) 20 prohibits attempting to influence legislation, engaging in partisan political activities, or other activities designed to influence the outcome of an election to any public office, to engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted. As it was worded “A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities” it could easily be interpreted as being at all times.
Someone pointed out Subsection 136 and section 120 indicates this is mandatory, a draft. Section 1710 suggests a pilot program, electronic filing, RFID chips? Someone else pointed out that vaccines of their choice would be mandatory. Cost some 3 billion dollars. Section 120 of the bill discusses the “Youth Engagement Zone Program” and states that service learning will be a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.
I hope everyone understands the scope of possibilities of this act, this effects everyone from your children to retired. Hr 1388 the you Give Act, a Clean Energy Corps, a Classroom Corps a Veterans Corps? But we have these already these they are mostly faith based and/or charitable organizations. Hr 1388 is all government control and a huge expansion of government. No more scouts, it could now be the Scout Corps? No more USO, it could now be the Veterans Corps? The federal government could force people to volunteer but only with groups that they deem worthy. You’ll be able to satisfy volunteer requirements with Planned Parenthood or ACORN but not your church or a pro-life group. Think of it, would you like to take part in helping abortions, it is a possibility.
Please excuse me for being a conservative but charity is an individual liberty, otherwise it is socialism. All republicans that have their names on this have committed one of the highest forms of treasons in my opinion and need to head accountable.
The color of the shirts may have been changed to green,
The_Rebel Thursday, March 26th at 12:47PM EDT (link)but the effect will still be the same; i.e., the brown shirts will be goose stepping down main street in a neighborhood near you.
Another argument for home schooling (nt)
maddog Thursday, March 26th at 7:42AM EDT (link)Except republicans fight for vouchers too nt
mom2oneson Thursday, March 26th at 7:28PM EDT (link)Congrats on the great post, hogan.
roscopico Thursday, March 26th at 8:31PM EDT (link)The Great One thought so as well. Listen to hour 1 from 03-25.
Reco’d, and 555’s.
Scary stuff, and further betrayal by the abusers and sellouts to liberty.
Big gov’t HACKS.
Im Himmel gibt’s kein Bier…