Senator DeMint: Freedom Builds the Tent


Much has been made lately of the Republican Party’s struggles – the latest involving the defection of Arlen Specter to the Democrat Party.

The fight has been cast by the commentariat and a few Republican politicians as a fight between ideological “purists” who, it is said, seek to shrink the Party, and the pragmatic sort who understand the need to remain inclusive.

I do not believe that is accurate – and it undermines the task before us to describe it so basically and so thoughtlessly. My observation is that when everyone is saying, essentially, the same thing, there is little thought behind it at all. How many times can yet another writer, observer, or “thinker” sitting in his office in Washington or New York explain to those of us in the trenches that we simply need to “be more accommodating,” and need to “expand the tent?”

They act as if conservatives want a small tent, to continue to use this tired and overused metaphor (used by many who have never been in a tent other than those put up at a horse race, wedding or fundraiser - by rich people for other rich people). Specifically, they misinterpret Senator DeMint’s recent remark suggesting he’d rather have 30 conservatives in the Senate than 60 unreliable ones to mean he wants to be in the minority.

NO. NO. NO. Of course he doesn’t (nor do any of us) want a minority Party. But he is saying, I believe, that if our Party cannot unite behind freedom and limited government, then what is the point of having 60?

In today’s Wall Street journal, Senator DeMint outlines his vision for the Party – and it is a vision appropriately rooted in the unifying power of freedom. These are the poles necessary to hold up the tent, he rightly contends. He says:

To win back the trust of the American people, we must be a “big tent” party. But big tents need strong poles, and the strongest pole of our party — the organizing principle and the crucial alternative to the Democrats — must be freedom. The federal government is too big, takes too much of our money, and makes too many of our decisions. If Republicans can’t agree on that, elections are the least of our problems.

I commend the full text of op-ed to you, and ask that your forward it to your friends and family. This is an important discussion that should not be monopolized by the “thinkers” in ivory towers who mischaracterize a belief in freedom and limited government as a “purity” test, when they offer nothing in the alternative but polls, weak policy ideas rooted in desperate populism and theories on “messaging.” This is not leadership.

Senator DeMint leads with a vision rooted in our fundamental principles and American exceptionalism.

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Agreed, Freedom- let us count the ways!

dsmurf Saturday, May 2nd at 1:26PM EDT (link)

“To win back the trust of the American people, we must be a “big tent” party. But big tents need strong poles, and the strongest pole of our party — the organizing principle and the crucial alternative to the Democrats — must be freedom. The federal government is too big, takes too much of our money, and makes too many of our decisions. If Republicans can’t agree on that, elections are the least of our problems.”

But where are some the specifics for freedom?

What about giving the people a choice on light bulbs, like incandescent bulbs instead of only flourescent?
Banning subsidies for corn ethanol, and the craze for alternative energies? Becoming an overt friend of the oil companies and to drilling off shore? An overt friend to pro marriage groups and groups that help people out of the homosexual lifestyle? (Are we to acquiesce to bullying people out of the millenia long marital precedent so that marriage is no longer marriage and fornication is an alternative and acceptable lifestyle?)
(I can support widows and orphans, but I’d tell married gay lovers with one deceased from such marital bliss to go get a job.)
What about telling Al Gore to answer a question about how much he stands to make off the global warming scam that he’s promoting?
What about Henry Waxman disclosing how he is benefitting from the stimulus and global warming shiznet?

What about telling Obama sure we want you to succeed, but without tax cuts you simply will not succeed?
I simply want to see a vigorous debate amongst the branches of government, while the troops are fighting a war. So since there isn’t a debate, where’s the nightly Fox news appearances? Are we to let Glenn Beck and Rush do all the dirty work?
Telling the party of Donkeys, the same party that kissed bin Laden’s butt so vigorously while GW was in office, needs a verbal sparring slap down, and not some vague goal of freedom, cause we won’t get any of that in the future at this pace.
Do I have to dress in a Barney Frank costume, punch you conservative Republicans in the nose, insult your wives and dress them burqas before we get 3.75 years and 1.6 years of verbal sparring started up there on the Hill?
Is everyone on the Hill as scared of Obama and the Democrats as much as the carmakers bond holders?
Thank God for Ford motors and all the banks that have returned the TARP money.

 

Excellent editorial!!

eburke Saturday, May 2nd at 1:30PM EDT (link)

And in this editorial I believe is the ‘glue’ to hold all the legs of the stool together. I’m probably more dense than the average, ordinary piece of wood but the several megawatt light bulb went on in my head while reading DeMint’s comments.

Endless amounts of time is spent on this website arguing between all the ‘Con’ legs, and trying to assess blame for the recent election debacles with a hefty amount of the blame being heaped on the “SoCon” leg. What DeMint so eloquently delineated was that there *aren’t* and *shouldn’t* be any ‘legs’ at all…just one unshakeable pole - freedom - because in the end that’s what all 3 legs are all about - freedom from overarching government tyranny.

Here! Here! Sen. DeMint. And an amen.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

Yep, freedom and small government.

redneck_hippie Saturday, May 2nd at 1:38PM EDT (link)

I’ve observed a lot of the tea party action and that is what is reverberating in hearts and minds. Taxes are a symptom of government usurpation, and freedom demands smaller government. A speaker at my local tea party made this a centerpiece of his address.

“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.

Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.

 
 

I not only agree, I have said it

Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 1:36PM EDT (link)

countless times. We can build a majority based on liberty and small government. It has nothing to do with being moderate. We can be as radical as anyone focusing on liberty, freedom, and the Constitution. What surprises is that we are just figuring this out.

Molon Labe!

I agree

DerKrieger Saturday, May 2nd at 9:16PM EDT (link)

…and have asked the question many times myself, how can Liberals not understand and want to maximize freedom? Perhaps we need to do a better job espousing the value of Federalism. I personally don’t care if CA, for example, wants to legalize gay marriage, institute punitive energy taxes, mandate “green” everything, et al as long as it is confined to CA. Federalism maximizes freedom by allowing pepole to move to states more friendly to bothe their economic freedoms and social beliefs.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE – mine), the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

 
 

DeMint made a great point

TNJim Saturday, May 2nd at 1:49PM EDT (link)

with this:

“The real mistake is that Republicans became more concerned with staying in D.C. than reforming it.”

That’s when the “go along to get along” with the Democrats attitude started and unfortunately many voters seemed to decide if the GOP is going to mirror the Dems they may as well vote for the Democrat.

Great article, Senator DeMint, and thanks, hogan for bringing it to our attention

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“No. You can’t” -Moe Lane

 

The Ivory Tower crowd is puzzled for a reason!

olsmithie Saturday, May 2nd at 2:26PM EDT (link)

They do not understand people like Senator Demint.
He stands on principles, doesn’t rely on focus groups to decide what to say today, and is very comfortable shooting from the hip since his message is consistent. It is easy to keep your story straight when you tell the truth.

The Ivory tower (and libs) play the “how can we fool them today?” game on a daily basis. They have no core principles, unless you count the principle of “what’s in it for me?”
This mindset would make it difficult to understand a man with strong core values, unswayed by the presses reaction to his comments.

There is another group, however that is interested in the Republicans having a big tent.
The NYTimes and similar crowd that helped pick McCain for us early in the primaries just love to see the party watered down with liberal leanings. This helps reduce our effectiveness immensely.

Not that we should turn people away that don’t completely agree with our core principles, but such folks should not be running things, compromising our core values as has happened so much in the last several years.

The Senator has been sending this message for quite a while, glad to see it being publicized here.
Good job, hogan

Regards

 

Honestly, I'm a little leary of the following:

gonzo55 Saturday, May 2nd at 2:59PM EDT (link)

“Freedom Republicanism is about choice — in education, health care, energy and more. It’s OK if those choices look different in South Carolina, Maine and California.”

We’ve seen activist liberal judges destroy freedom every chance they get all over the country (mandatory busing, mandatory emissions standards, legalized gay marriage)… don’t we need a national agenda to head off the ‘inevitably’ the libs love to bestow on their favorite causes?

“Facts are stubborn things” — Ronald Wilson Reagan

 

I remember one time...

skey Saturday, May 2nd at 3:35PM EDT (link)

seeing a football coach tell a story that was appropriate to this, I think. It might have been Mack Brown talking about Darrell Royal, but it was definitely one of those old Big 8/12, Southwest Conference guys. It was towards the end of a game where his team had been blown out, and he expressed the opinion that what was going on then just didn’t matter. The other older, wiser coach responded, “no, this is the most important time. Because when you see who’s out there giving it their all when they’re losing by 30 points in the fourth quarter, you know who you can depend on and build around, and you also know who you can’t.”

I do think the party may have to get smaller, down to a dependable core, before it can grow again. I know that’s not a popular theory with some around here, and in the party, but I’m not sure it can be avoided.

maybe smaller is not the goal

Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 4:16PM EDT (link)

but possibly a reflection of clarity. We do need clarity among the base if we will every be in a position to gain converts. To be specific, the days of framing our party as Socons and moderates is over. We are the party of liberty and freedom. That leaves room to differ on certain points, but leaves no room for those who do not believe above all in liberty and freedom.

Molon Labe!

 
 

This is all well and good, but God is in the details

suzieQ Saturday, May 2nd at 3:44PM EDT (link)

“To win back the trust of the American people, we must be a “big tent” party. But big tents need strong poles, and the strongest pole of our party — the organizing principle and the crucial alternative to the Democrats — must be freedom. The federal government is too big, takes too much of our money, and makes too many of our decisions. If Republicans can’t agree on that, elections are the least of our problems. ”

Big tents all need to be … big. I have posted this here before, but it bears repeating in this context. What is the republican plan to win the Hispanic vote? Or the Asian vote? Or the African-American vote? We cannot simply say “we are for small government and fiscal responsibility” and expect voters to come running our way. How do we plan to win the gay vote,? How do we plan to win back the teachers, steelworkers, and longshoremen? How do we plan to win the youth, the new voters who will be the future of the party some day? How do we plan to win the non-Christian vote? Because every vote we lose is a vote we give away.

I visit Redstate every day. It is one of my favorite sites. I see a lot of pontificating and a lot of good ideas about the direction of the party and the true nature of conservatives. But I don’t see a lot of specifics on how to make the small tent bigger. Remember, without votes, we cannot win elections.

“It’s finally happened: Abortion stopped a bleeding heart.”
- Ann Coulter, January 25, 2006

“My concern about the role of the federal government is that an intrusive government, a government that says, ‘Don’t worry, we will solve your problems’ is a government that tends to crowd compassion out of the marketplace, that too often in the past people said: ‘Somebody else will take care of the problem in my area. Don’t worry. The government is here.’”
- George W. Bush October 31, 2000

“Had the decision belonged to Senator Kerry, Saddam Hussein would still be in power today in Iraq. In fact, Saddam Hussein would almost certainly still be in control of Kuwait.”
- Dick Cheney

This has been the problem

Scott Mustian Saturday, May 2nd at 4:15PM EDT (link)

Suzy, respectfully I think you are missing the point of Senator DeMint’s article. Your suggestion on how to win groups is exactly what has been wrong with American politics. It is not the purpose of the federal government to legislate or govern based on any group identity other than one … American citizen. Your suggestion is that the Republican party campaign on what it “will do” for a particular interest group is just proposing a different version of Democrat party identity politics.

The message of Freedom is a principle that applies to all Americans no matter race, sexual orientation or religion. Properly presented this is how we bring Americans to supporting a country that supports equal opportunity for and guarantees equal results for none. I have faith in the American electorate. A principled vision of limited government and liberty is still what the people want … even current Democrat voters many of who are Tea Party attendees now.

Scott Mustian

I see your point, and I do agree

suzieQ Saturday, May 2nd at 4:25PM EDT (link)

But most people have no idea what “small government” is. Take your average 35 year old father of four. Did he see “small government” in the Bush administration? Of course not. He saw FISA, TARP, bailouts, the Patriot Act, and tons of spending on domestic programs such as medicare. Did he see “small government” under Clinton? Again, no. He saw gun control, DADT, and even more spending. So the last time he could have seen an example of “small government” he was still in high school.

I am not saying to place the party’s priorities around racial, gender, or sexual orientation. But we do have to phrase the message so that it resounds among more diverse groups. By “fiscal responsibility” does that mean we won’t fund a secure border? By “small government” does that mean we won’t legislate marriage?

I think a recent quote from Michael Steele fits here:

“All you moderates out there, y’all come. I mean, that’s the message,” Steele said at a news conference. “The message of this party is this is a big table for everyone to have a seat. I have a place setting with your name on the front.

“Understand that when you come into someone’s house, you’re not looking to change it. You come in because that’s the place you want to be.”

“It’s finally happened: Abortion stopped a bleeding heart.”
- Ann Coulter, January 25, 2006

“My concern about the role of the federal government is that an intrusive government, a government that says, ‘Don’t worry, we will solve your problems’ is a government that tends to crowd compassion out of the marketplace, that too often in the past people said: ‘Somebody else will take care of the problem in my area. Don’t worry. The government is here.’”
- George W. Bush October 31, 2000

“Had the decision belonged to Senator Kerry, Saddam Hussein would still be in power today in Iraq. In fact, Saddam Hussein would almost certainly still be in control of Kuwait.”
- Dick Cheney

You are on the right track.

jeffreywturner Saturday, May 2nd at 10:46PM EDT (link)

But be careful not to slide down that slippery slope.

There are certain of those “groups” you mention, which we could attract with just a tweaking of our message, whereas others have demonstrated no propensity for independence and would not support us unless we abondoned our core beliefs.

“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”

 
 

There is a difference

Common_Cents Saturday, May 2nd at 4:30PM EDT (link)

between the core “product” being sold which should be consistent, and the marketing of that product to various niches. Various groups have different cultures, hot buttons to push which should tweak the marketing of conservatism. It’s the same product, just the packaging and marketing is tweaked to be customized for various groups.

Not to mention the confusion of selling features vs. benefits, see my post below. Smaller government is a feature that isn’t what is sold but rather what benefits it provides. We have missed that boat BIG time for decades.

“Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake.” Napoleon - Well, unless he is ruining your country! Common Cents

A cult of personality arises when a country’s leader uses mass media to create a heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.[1] Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships.

 

I couldn't agree more, Scott

eburke Saturday, May 2nd at 6:22PM EDT (link)

It’s this whole notion that we have to pursue different ‘groups’ among the GOP Political Class (as defined by Rasmussen) that has led us to where we are today. They keep thinking that the way to success is to pander to different ‘groups’. Horse Hockey!!

What? Like white, married males are the only ‘group’ of people in America who appreciate and desire liberty and people of color, or women, or single moms, or seniors, or whatever ‘group’ want to live in bondage?

But, and here’ what Reagan got that a whole bunch of ‘moderates’ who want to change the message for the region and group don’t get, is that you expand the tent by preaching the same message to *everyone* - liberty beats tyranny… “the most feared 10 words in the English language are ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.’”….and “government isn’t the solution to our problems; governement *is* the problem.” The reason the tent got bigger is because *that* is a message that transcends race, gender & socioeconomic status.

Once you start trying to ‘win’ one ‘group’ you have to try to win them all or be charged with being ‘bigoted’ or ‘mean-spirited’. You become more concerned about offending a ‘group’ than preaching your message, and the only way to try to win them all and not ‘offend’ anyone is to use the power of the government to do so.That’s called pandering and even Joe-six pack can see it.

The bottom line is you can’t walk only half-way down that path. You either compete with those much more skilled at coercement and larceny or you paint with the bold colors of liberty - consistently, loudly, passionately.

What the GOP has been trying to do for the last decade is have it both ways. How’s that been working for us?

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

Reagan is a tremendous example.

jeffreywturner Saturday, May 2nd at 11:08PM EDT (link)

Pop Quiz:

Can you name the last US President to actually SIGN a large-scale blanket amnesty bill for illegal immigrants?

Thats right, it was Reagan. And don’t go making excuses for him like ‘oh, well he didn’t mean it’ or ‘he was tricked into it’. No, he knew exactly what he was doing and he was right for doing it. Those people he was giving amnesty to were some of the hardest-working, most patriotic, most God-fearing people in America. He knew that they could contribute to our society and that they are “natural” Republicans.

I am not a troll saying this either. Jim Demint is my senator and I was proud to vote for him. I also think Ronald Reagan was the greatest Presient of the 20th century, but we Republicans need to wake up. If we ever hope to regain the Presidency and enough of a majority in the US Senate to appoint enough justices to the SCOTUS to restore the US Constitution and save capitalism, we have to stop driving a wedge between us and the largest & fastest growing ethnic minority in the country.

Now a big part of the solution lies in destroying the media propoganda machine that depicts us as racists every time we even mention border security, but another part of it lies in us not acting as though sealing the border & kicking out illegals is the most important part of our agenda.

“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”

Since I didn't even mention illegal immigration in my

eburke Sunday, May 3rd at 11:50AM EDT (link)

post I’m not sure where this came from or its relevance to what I said. My post was no more and no less about the GOP preaching liberty.

Yeah…I remember that Reagan signed the amnesty bill and yeah, I remember being very disappointed that he signed that bill Having said that - I fail to see its relevance to this topic.

This is nothing more than the usual strawman moderates fall back on anytime conservatives say we need to have a strong, consistent, conservative message. They find some issue where a conservative ’strayed’ and then say ’see, according to your standards, not even (fill in the blank) could be a Republican under your standards.

To repeat, Rarely* do those who promulgate the concept of ‘purging RINOs’ say that everyone who does not march lockstep on *every* single issue must be booted from the party but that is the reflexive fallback position of those who attack us for wanting ‘bold colors’. I guess it’s easier than talking about the damage to the brand moderate do by muddling our message for Joe & Jane Sixpack.

So, let’s try this again - the overarching message of the *Party* and its ‘leaders’ needs to be Liberty for everyone, not carving the populace into ‘groups’ and then being afraid that we’re going to ‘offend’ someone if we don’t ‘tailor’ our message. I did not agree with everything Reagan did but his major theme was always American greatness and liberty. (heck, I don’t even agree with everything my *wife* thinks and does but that doesn’t mean I want to divorce her).

*That* is the problem we have with the Specters, the ME girls, and too much of the GOP leadership, not that they’re not in lockstep on *every* issue.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

Forgive me, YOU did not mention this one particularly.

jeffreywturner Sunday, May 3rd at 1:38PM EDT (link)

But can you name the major issues the conservative base as a whole like to cite when criticizing George W. and his administration? 1. Immigration and 2. Spending. All the while they heap praise upon Reagan, who had at least as bad a record if not worse on those same issues.

Also, I think you are right on with the ladies from Maine. They are the only GOPers left in the Senate that I think should be sent packing.

“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”

I'm not going to speak for all of my 'bold colors'

eburke Sunday, May 3rd at 2:20PM EDT (link)

brothers and sisters, but personally, by far my biggest issue w/GWB beyond the above was his absolute, utter refusal and/or inability to articulate any semblance of a message, go on the offensive with his political enemies, or to defend conservative principles.

And from my perspective, yeah, Reagan probably should’ve/could’ve done more to control spending but 1) he was dealing with Dems in both houses for most of his presidency so I’ll cut him a little slack there; 2) a good chunk of his deficits were spent running the Soviet Union into bankruptcy because of our defense buildup; and, 3) Ronald Reagan was a piker compared to GWB when it came to spending. Seriously, can you ever even begin to imagine RR shoving the TARP crap down the throats of the GOP?

What Reagan was, however, was a clear, articulate spokesman for the greatness of America and the concept of liberty. If his ‘apostasies’ make him a RINO, I’ll take a party full of ‘em. Snow, Collins, Specter, Hagle, Graham, McCain, et al couldn’t carry Reagan’s ….well, probably shoudn’t use that one here this being a family site and all.

Anyway, I agree with the ME sisters and I don’t particularly care about kicking McCain and Graham out of the party one way or the other; I just don’t want them being our spokesmen and leaders.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

 
 
 
 
 
 

You can not see the forest for the trees

Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 4:19PM EDT (link)

we got into trouble trying to cobble a collection of disparate groups. We don’t need an agenda for gays, blacks, or purples. I think you did not mean it, but it is the soft bigotry of low expectations to think these groups would not be attracted to small government and freedom. If people would read the Constitution, it would clear things up a bit. We are not some cult with an odd view, we are talking about defending the founding faith of our Republic.

Molon Labe!

 
 

My thoughts

Common_Cents Saturday, May 2nd at 4:13PM EDT (link)

We have to change the system in DC. The system is rigged to take a well intentioned person arriving in DC and mold them into the horsetrading/career politician network that is many times at odds w/ the best interests of the people. We have to change the system to produce a better product. Sending new well intentioned people into the rigged system will produce little real positive change.

Changing the system to produce better product in part requires our ElectedElite to largely reduce their careers/power voluntarily. How the heck can we make that happen? is the 64,000 question.

Secondly, we need a whole new marketing/PR campaign. Using business product marketing lingo, features and benefits, we say we are for small government. Small government is a feature. Most voters don’t know what that means or have negative feelings about it. “I’m gonna get less help!”

People don’t buy or vote for features, they buy/vote for benefits. The customer doesn’t really care about the features of a product, they want what those features can provide=benefits.

We have to show the customer(voter) several specific ways how smaller government and our other platform solutions will actually benefit them.

Our image is that conservatism is like bad medicine. Tastes bad but its good for you. Or that it’s hard work without showing how the benefits are well worth it. We have to change that.

“Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake.” Napoleon - Well, unless he is ruining your country! Common Cents

A cult of personality arises when a country’s leader uses mass media to create a heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.[1] Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships.

 

Actually, it's not "Freedom."

rbdwiggins Saturday, May 2nd at 4:25PM EDT (link)

Freedom implies without cost, responsibility or consequence.

It is “Liberty.”

More specifically, it is our unalienable rights: “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” Endowed by our Creator, guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution by the consent of the governed, and secured by the blood of patriots, enormous personal sacrifice and staggering amounts of our national treasure.

The conservative stool has three legs for a reason. They each represent one of those same Founding principles. They also rely on each other for strength and direction.

Those Founding principles must be the core of the GOP, and from which, there is no compromise.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

Yes. LIBERTY.

Rod_Patrick Saturday, May 2nd at 6:33PM EDT (link)

As a matter of fact, I disagree with “- must be Freedom..” It should be “- is Freedom.”

This somehow implies that the Republican Party is NOT yet supporting Freedom.. Plus, freedom is vague that’s why the MSM is laughing. Why can’t De Mintt say “free and competitive market”, “pro-constitution” and ….. “LIBERTY”?

But Liberty is the essence of everything that enables us to seek happiness in LIFE. It encompasses everything including all beliefs, all colors, all ages, and all kinds of endeavor in life.

Now, I’m more confused of our Republican leaders’ principles than ever. It means that they are not fully hinged on our core values.

I agree that freedom is not as strong a word

Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 6:35PM EDT (link)

as liberty, they do not mean the same thing. Our Constitution is based on liberty, they used that word for a reason.

Molon Labe!

That's right, Doc. Words do have meaning...

rbdwiggins Saturday, May 2nd at 8:36PM EDT (link)

Freedom does not exist without Liberty. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom of association, freedom of movement and freedom from unjust or undue government control can only exist in a society that embraces Liberty, and is willing to bear its heavy burden.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

While De Mintt is shy of the word Liberty

Rod_Patrick Saturday, May 2nd at 8:41PM EDT (link)

the third parties are gaining strength in using the word as their battlecry.

Case in point: America’s Independent Party

Ref: http://aipnews.com/mxPage.asp?ID=15

oops

Rod_Patrick Saturday, May 2nd at 8:42PM EDT (link)

DeMint not De Mintt. What am I thinking?

 
 
 
 
 
 

Am I the only one getting sick of hearing 'big tent'?

clement Saturday, May 2nd at 5:04PM EDT (link)

While I agree mostly with what DeMint is trying to get at, I say screw the tent idea. Tents are only meant to enclose, and they require change to grow. I say get rid of the tent, all one needs is a loud speaker on which people can hear clearly (good clear message showing real differences - bold colors). People will come and listen when you have something to say, it is just hard to hear the message when everyone is saying something different (non clear message - pale pastals). Moderates can still speak, just stay out of the microphone (the binding principles, of which DeMint is trying to get at).

I know it is just words really, and is more philosophic discussion than, the real meat and potatoes- policies and the like, but I want to toss the idea of the big tent. Join the no tent party. Yeah I know it is just a different way of saying the same thing…..I just am getting sick of hearing ‘big tent’ all the time. :)

I am also tired of the "big tent" why can we be a beacon in the dark? nt

ocleverone Saturday, May 2nd at 5:51PM EDT (link)

To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher

 

but as you said, it is really just semantics

Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 6:19PM EDT (link)

Demint is saying we don’t need to compromise on principles, we need a few clear and everlasting principles. What it comes down to is some will be disappointed because they will not accept those principles, or wish to expand them to a broader litmus test. Well, what Demint is proposing is that those people might have to leave the party. I wish I could saying it in a nicer way, but social engineers on the right and left will not really fit into this tent.

One last thing about big tents. If we are going to have any say in the future of this country, we will have to win the majority of the votes. We can give it any nomenclature we want, but unless we get the majority on our side, we are just a sideshow.

Molon Labe!

 
 

Easy for SC Senator to Say

dld1717 Saturday, May 2nd at 5:29PM EDT (link)

I always question where posters and certain elected official reside when they attack “big tent” ideals.

I guess its easy to attack moderates when u reside in a red state

Re-read the op-ed

hogan Saturday, May 2nd at 6:12PM EDT (link)

Senator DeMint addresses this very point about being from SC. His point is that he shouldn’t tell folks what to do in New York any more than they should tell him or his SC brethren what to do. That’s the point.
He also is not attacking “big tent ideals.” Not sure how you get that out of reading this.

 
 

It's good, every now and then ...

skorrent1 Saturday, May 2nd at 8:13PM EDT (link)

To read through a rating service like acurating.org just to get a feeling for how Congress splits on the votes. I understand we won’t all agree on ACU’s value for each vote on each measure, but it’s as good a summary as any. Congressional Republicans consistantly pull career ratings above 75%, most above 85%. The Dems are mostly in the single digits, very few above 20%. But the Dems are a big-tent party while the GOP is exclusionary??? NOT!!

Please let’s not hear any more about there being “No difference between the two parties.” Yes, there are outliers. There’s a Dem in Mississippi who scores 66%, (the only one above 50%, now there’s a real “Blue Dog”) and a Conn GOP congressman at 44%. Incidently, Specter abandoned the lowest Senate rank (44%) to the Maine girls who clock in just below 50%. But any conservative who couldn’t tell the difference between McCain (82%) and Obama (single digits, when he bothered to vote) last year just wasn’t trying.

The main problem the GOP has with their outliers is that the MSM (and they still matter) dotes on them, and they become the face of the party, especially when they are bashing the party. This demoralizes the base and sows confusion among the unattached. How many times have you seen the MS Blue Dog on national TV bashing Pelosi? This is not an excuse, just the facts, Ma’m.

your last paragraph is so true

Scott Mustian Saturday, May 2nd at 9:37PM EDT (link)

The MSM does shape Republicans view of ourselves. They will let any beltway RINO opine about the party as if they are dominant voice. If it was not for the growth of the conservative blogosphere, one would feel that conservatives truly have faded.

Keeping the conservatives on the defensive is a brilliant strategy. The thing we keep forgetting to ask is if conservatives are so weak and our message is “the failed policies of the past” why are thy so frightened by anything a conservative says? Easy answer … they know a properly stated conservative message is not only attractive to a broad swath of the electorate, it is also guaranteed to work. It is imperative that they make sure to keep the Republicans diluting or second guessing our own message.

Scott Mustian

 
 

Core principals

persiflage Saturday, May 2nd at 8:20PM EDT (link)

for a political movement that I could embrace would be three (it makes for a simple message that way):

LIBERTY
RESPONSIBILITY
CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT

The organizing unit of such a political movement is the individual American, having full ownership of herself/himself, and in possession of all their Natural Rights. Unfortunately, this would likely be a political movement attractive only for those who are mental adults. And sadly, even these core principals would be immediately deconstructed, dissected and parsed by the radical left and their lapdogs in the MSM until they resembled nothing like their plain meanings but became code words for some virulent sociopathy.

The potential strength of a political movement based on these core principals is that they represent already internalized human IDEALS for many Americans, and thus do not require a charismatic leader or a huge political organization to “sell” them. Revolutions have been based on such ideals. So, how many Americans are still adults enough to embrace Liberty, Responsibility and Constitutional Government? That I cannot answer.

“A republic, if you can keep it…” - B. Franklin

 

What has worked for me

DerKrieger Saturday, May 2nd at 9:07PM EDT (link)

…when debating Liberals, either in person or on blogs, is to simply ask them what part of the conservative agenda and conservative philosophy it is that they disagree with. I follow that up by asking what part of the Liberal and Obama agenda they support. I’ve yet to have one give me an answer. They always evade the questions because they simply don’t know. They cannot think, they only feel and then react.

Liberalism is the triumph of emotion over reason.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE – mine), the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

I have done the same thing

Scott Mustian Saturday, May 2nd at 9:47PM EDT (link)

It almost always ends up with an emotional outburst or even insults but never a dialogue. I have yet to find a liberal who can factually defend their belief system. They simply FEEL that they are right and Republicans are wrong. Sadly for most liberals (especially women) they are so wed to the inviolable right of abortion the will trade off any other issue to support that belief. You can be sure gay marriage will soon become their new touchstone to brand us as evil.

Scott Mustian

 
 

Conservatism doesn't always sell

Spiral Saturday, May 2nd at 9:32PM EDT (link)

I agree wtih DeMint that the GOP should get away from pandering to voters with Democrat-lite ideas. Instead they should stick to conservative principles, win or lose.

But I think we have to be honest with ourselves and realize that most Americans are not very conservative and support big government.

For example, if you were to ask people “Should government prohibit private businesses from discriminating against African-Americans?” most Americans would say, “Yes. Absolutely. But in reality, the government has no business telling private businesses who they should hire or fire. The whole “let’s eliminate discrmination” has led us down the garden path of trying to ban discrimination against homosexuals and the disabled. The result is that an alcoholic who doesn’t show up for work or who shows up for work drunk might not be fired by an employer out of fear of the Americans for Disabilities Act.

The minimum wage is very popular among voters. But the idea that the government should dictate to businesses what employee wages and benefits should be is both bad and socialistic.

Smoking bans are also popular. But, again, the government has no business telling restaurants or businesses in general whether they can allow smoking in their establishments.

The root of the problems with the GOP can be traced to the views of the American electorate. The American electorate is very much in favor of government intervention in almost every area of public life and distrustful of the free market.

This is why Mike Huckabee was successful during the GOP primaries last year. He was, as Fred Thompson pointed out, a pro-life liberal. And many “conservatives” strongly supported his candidacy.

You can’t expect conservative politicians to emerge in an electorate populated by voters desiring socialism.

Ask three questions to the average voter

Spiral Saturday, May 2nd at 9:43PM EDT (link)

Try this sometime. Ask your average American voter (not someone you met at a Republican convention or a libertarian book reading club) these three questions:

(1) Should African Americans be allowed to sue a business for not hiring African-Americans if they can prove to a judge or jury that they are the most qualified applicant for the job?

(2) Should cigarette smoking be prohibited in restaurants?

(3) Should a social program such as Social Security exist?

Chances are that the average American voter you put these question to will say “Yes” to all three, even though all of the represent excessive government intervention into the private sector.

Ever wonder why our K through 12 education system looks like it was drafted by the now defunct Soviet Union? It’s because the American people believe that we can’t trust the free enterprise system to educate people but we must trust government instead, despite the fact that government run education delivers horrible results to everyone except the Teachers’ Unions.

We can blame wimpy Republican politicians all we want. And we should try to defeat them in Republican primaries.

But until we replace the current wimpy-socialistic American voters with genuinely conservative voters we aren’t going to see anything change.

In a representative democracy, the people tend to get the government that they deserve.

Leaders Lead

hogan Sunday, May 3rd at 10:46AM EDT (link)

That’s all.

 
 

but someone allowed the electorate to become

Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 9:51PM EDT (link)

panty waists. At some point the prominent ideology had to cede its preeminence with a whimper, not a roar. I have consistently said our biggest enemy is the NEA because they are churning out leftists. Mom and Dad can not be bothered, they are watching American Idol.

I am willing to open a big tent to those who believe in liberty, personal responsibility, and American Exceptionalism. I am open to a party of liberty even when others might not agree with me on certain subjects. What I am not open to, is a party that abandons all principles in order to please the lazy, greedy masses.

If our society is so warped, that a policy of liberty and small government can not win, then I don’t want to win. I will not change the beliefs of the Founders to please lesser men. We want to win, we want to be in the majority, but if we do not win by convincing others we are right, any win would be of little consequence.

Molon Labe!

 
 

Demint NAILED it here.

jeffreywturner Saturday, May 2nd at 11:28PM EDT (link)

Demint was on a local radio show here a few weeks back and I called in and asked him a couple of related questions, and he nailed every one of them.

What’s more, he wasn’t bitter or snarling. He never is. He is both optimistic and unapologetic. That is why I like him and was proud to vote for him. It is unusual to see in a Senator. They are usually very pompous and arrogant. Perhaps he is different because he hasn’t been there that long.

On his major point, he couldn’t be more right. A perfect example of what he is talking about can be seen in American churches. Look at which denominations are growing and which are withering and dying. Those who are abondoning core Christian doctrine (ie: the Epicsopals) are dwindling while those who are unashamed of the Gospel (ie: Souther Baptists) are flourishing. That is because no-one wants to be part of a phony, unprincipled organization. The same could be said for political parties. If the GOP gave freedom-loving Americans reason to get excited, we would turn out in droves like black folks did for Obama last year, and no-one could beat us.

“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”

 

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