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	<title>Comments on: In New York 23, some unexpected backers: Part 4 Sarah Palin</title>
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		<title>By: Hooah_Mac</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/07/in-new-york-23-some-unexpected-backers-part-4-sarah-palin/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Hooah_Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My concern is that the negative impression has set in public opinion and for her to run, we will have to counter the existing impression as well as fresh attacks.  As I said, Sarah has a keen political talent and 2012 is still a ways off.  It remains to be seen how things will shake out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My concern is that the negative impression has set in public opinion and for her to run, we will have to counter the existing impression as well as fresh attacks.  As I said, Sarah has a keen political talent and 2012 is still a ways off.  It remains to be seen how things will shake out.</p>
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		<title>By: David123</title>
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		<dc:creator>David123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah Palin's positions are normal mainstream positions on the issues.  Some people may disagree with her on some positions which is fine, but calling her extreme is a lie.  Compare Sarah Palin and JFK - overall their positions are fairly similar, and on some issues Sarah Palin is more liberal than JFK.

If the leftists get to paint Sarah Palin as an extremist, they'll do the same thing to anybody else the Republican party might nominate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Palin&#8217;s positions are normal mainstream positions on the issues.  Some people may disagree with her on some positions which is fine, but calling her extreme is a lie.  Compare Sarah Palin and JFK - overall their positions are fairly similar, and on some issues Sarah Palin is more liberal than JFK.</p>
<p>If the leftists get to paint Sarah Palin as an extremist, they&#8217;ll do the same thing to anybody else the Republican party might nominate.</p>
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		<title>By: Socrates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that is all I have to say about it.</description>
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		<title>By: Hooah_Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hooah_Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And very few mortals could come out favorably in that match up, so I pointed out that even if she wasn't as intellectually deep as Fred she still looks good next to Obama and Biden. You misquoted me big time.

The problem for Sarah is that she is seen negatively, and it will take time and effort to undo that.  Especially because the negatives have "set" in the minds of many.  Since the leftist media has been referring to her negatively for so long without answer or explanation, the average person just "knows" it is true.  That is a lot harder to reverse than someone new only having to counter the current criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And very few mortals could come out favorably in that match up, so I pointed out that even if she wasn&#8217;t as intellectually deep as Fred she still looks good next to Obama and Biden. You misquoted me big time.</p>
<p>The problem for Sarah is that she is seen negatively, and it will take time and effort to undo that.  Especially because the negatives have &#8220;set&#8221; in the minds of many.  Since the leftist media has been referring to her negatively for so long without answer or explanation, the average person just &#8220;knows&#8221; it is true.  That is a lot harder to reverse than someone new only having to counter the current criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Hooah_Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hooah_Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so enamored with this particular person that you will twist and turn my comments, simply because I didn't write a glowing love fest about her.

1.  Are you trying very hard to misread?  It is very simple.  She received a lot more credit on the TIMING of her endorsement than I feel she should have.

2. I didn't announce ANYTHING.  I simply pointed out that for the first time I have DOUBTS about her.  The whole point is to get people talking about it - I am the last one to shut down argument.


What is it about Sarah Palin that makes those on both the left and the right descend into irrationality?  It's an important question, because it is exactly what needs to be dealt with BEFORE she is put on the ballot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so enamored with this particular person that you will twist and turn my comments, simply because I didn&#8217;t write a glowing love fest about her.</p>
<p>1.  Are you trying very hard to misread?  It is very simple.  She received a lot more credit on the TIMING of her endorsement than I feel she should have.</p>
<p>2. I didn&#8217;t announce ANYTHING.  I simply pointed out that for the first time I have DOUBTS about her.  The whole point is to get people talking about it - I am the last one to shut down argument.</p>
<p>What is it about Sarah Palin that makes those on both the left and the right descend into irrationality?  It&#8217;s an important question, because it is exactly what needs to be dealt with BEFORE she is put on the ballot.</p>
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		<title>By: Socrates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. So what if others were there first?  We are each responsible for our own actions.  Saying others were there first implies that she should have been, and was therefore actiing opportunistically, even cynically.  But more importantly, you are reducing several factors down to one, timing.  There is geography, party loyalty, the notoriety of the endorser, the male-female thing, 2012 viability, and a lot of other stuff.  So when she endorsed is not as important as that she endorsed at all. 

2. You are announcing who can win, and using that to shut down argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. So what if others were there first?  We are each responsible for our own actions.  Saying others were there first implies that she should have been, and was therefore actiing opportunistically, even cynically.  But more importantly, you are reducing several factors down to one, timing.  There is geography, party loyalty, the notoriety of the endorser, the male-female thing, 2012 viability, and a lot of other stuff.  So when she endorsed is not as important as that she endorsed at all. </p>
<p>2. You are announcing who can win, and using that to shut down argument.</p>
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		<title>By: regent2009</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have said that Sarah does not fall for every over thought policy fad or academic idea of no practical use. She is therefore far more intelligent than Barack Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have said that Sarah does not fall for every over thought policy fad or academic idea of no practical use. She is therefore far more intelligent than Barack Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Scope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The left tells us who they most fear.  The leftist media also did the same thing to Fred Dalton Thompson, except to a lesser degree.  When Fred was riding high in all the polling, before he even got in the race, the Libs and the media were very afriad that he just might be the next coming of Ronald Reagan.  Again, just as Fred said, they build you way up, just to have that much farther to take you down.  That was even before the current exagerated alligence and love affair they are now having with Obama.  

Not only have the Libs told us how afraid they are of Palin, but, the old guard Repubs, McCain et al, have also told us who they fear most.  That can not be intrepreted as a negavtive against Palin, especially when a majority of Independents are swinging back to the Republican side.  Also, with the fact that 40% now consider themselves Conservatives, not Republicans.  Many of those Independents were former Republicans, who became less than enamoured with the big spending, big government Republicans, who are still the same ones trying to control the party.  They are the Republican anti-Palinistas.  No matter how hard the R's are trying to jump on the Liberal bandwagon of Palin hatred/envy, she is the one coming out on the right side of what the American population is clamouring for.  And, as someone said above, many of those that think they are anti-Palin have probably not bothered to find out anything more about her than what they were told by CNN, MSNBC and the SNL look alike.  To this day there are still some who believe that Palin actually was the one who said she could see Russia from her porch.  And, I also agree that no matter who it is that may look promising for the Repubs in 2012, they also  will in fact go through the same trashing that Palin has endured.  There is a whole lot of time until the 2012 primaries, and, Palin will either rise, or she will fall, all of her own making.  One day in politics is an eternity.  I am withholding judgement of her, or her chances, until then.  She may not have any desire to even get into the race.

Finally, Hooah, I'm not sure of what you meant by saying that she is as intelligent as Obama and Biden.  There are not many here, or anywhere for that matter, that don't believe that the pres. and the veep are not total incompetent idiots.  Couldn't you have found someone else to compare her intelligence to.  Good Lord, even Mickey Mouse is smarter than that duo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left tells us who they most fear.  The leftist media also did the same thing to Fred Dalton Thompson, except to a lesser degree.  When Fred was riding high in all the polling, before he even got in the race, the Libs and the media were very afriad that he just might be the next coming of Ronald Reagan.  Again, just as Fred said, they build you way up, just to have that much farther to take you down.  That was even before the current exagerated alligence and love affair they are now having with Obama.  </p>
<p>Not only have the Libs told us how afraid they are of Palin, but, the old guard Repubs, McCain et al, have also told us who they fear most.  That can not be intrepreted as a negavtive against Palin, especially when a majority of Independents are swinging back to the Republican side.  Also, with the fact that 40% now consider themselves Conservatives, not Republicans.  Many of those Independents were former Republicans, who became less than enamoured with the big spending, big government Republicans, who are still the same ones trying to control the party.  They are the Republican anti-Palinistas.  No matter how hard the R&#8217;s are trying to jump on the Liberal bandwagon of Palin hatred/envy, she is the one coming out on the right side of what the American population is clamouring for.  And, as someone said above, many of those that think they are anti-Palin have probably not bothered to find out anything more about her than what they were told by CNN, MSNBC and the SNL look alike.  To this day there are still some who believe that Palin actually was the one who said she could see Russia from her porch.  And, I also agree that no matter who it is that may look promising for the Repubs in 2012, they also  will in fact go through the same trashing that Palin has endured.  There is a whole lot of time until the 2012 primaries, and, Palin will either rise, or she will fall, all of her own making.  One day in politics is an eternity.  I am withholding judgement of her, or her chances, until then.  She may not have any desire to even get into the race.</p>
<p>Finally, Hooah, I&#8217;m not sure of what you meant by saying that she is as intelligent as Obama and Biden.  There are not many here, or anywhere for that matter, that don&#8217;t believe that the pres. and the veep are not total incompetent idiots.  Couldn&#8217;t you have found someone else to compare her intelligence to.  Good Lord, even Mickey Mouse is smarter than that duo.</p>
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		<title>By: mschmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>mschmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Sarah is every bit as intelligent and worldly as Obama" -- was that an unintended insult? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sarah is every bit as intelligent and worldly as Obama&#8221; &#8212; was that an unintended insult? <img src='http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: regent2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>regent2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin received the most vicious smears from the liberal media for one reason, she was the biggest threat to their socialist agenda. If they had been more afraid of Fred Thompson, then he would currently be the boogieman that the RINOs are telling us we cannot nominate and expect to win.

Sarah is every bit as intelligent and worldly as Obama. She just doesn't have the BS veneer to go along with it that one seems to get from a liberal Ivy League college, and they try to pass off as intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin received the most vicious smears from the liberal media for one reason, she was the biggest threat to their socialist agenda. If they had been more afraid of Fred Thompson, then he would currently be the boogieman that the RINOs are telling us we cannot nominate and expect to win.</p>
<p>Sarah is every bit as intelligent and worldly as Obama. She just doesn&#8217;t have the BS veneer to go along with it that one seems to get from a liberal Ivy League college, and they try to pass off as intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Owens broke 3 or 4 of his campaign promises within an hour of being sworn in. How that will play out in 2010 is something to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owens broke 3 or 4 of his campaign promises within an hour of being sworn in. How that will play out in 2010 is something to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And she's still standing. I can't imagine going through what she has gone through and coming out of it in the way she has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And she&#8217;s still standing. I can&#8217;t imagine going through what she has gone through and coming out of it in the way she has.</p>
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		<title>By: Hooah_Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hooah_Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hooah_Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hooah_Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are reading way too much into what I said.</description>
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		<title>By: Hooah_Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hooah_Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  I am not criticizing here for when she got in, only noting that the amount of credit she got for getting involved is excessive when others were there first.

2.  It's the kind of game that ends with us picking a different conservative.  It is not her conservatism that is the problem, it is her high negatives.  Before she would be a workable nominee, those would have to be overcome.

I agonized over writing this post, because I am and always have been a strong Sarah supporter.  The reality on the ground in NY-23 has not changed my support for here, simply made me question whether she is the right person for the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  I am not criticizing here for when she got in, only noting that the amount of credit she got for getting involved is excessive when others were there first.</p>
<p>2.  It&#8217;s the kind of game that ends with us picking a different conservative.  It is not her conservatism that is the problem, it is her high negatives.  Before she would be a workable nominee, those would have to be overcome.</p>
<p>I agonized over writing this post, because I am and always have been a strong Sarah supporter.  The reality on the ground in NY-23 has not changed my support for here, simply made me question whether she is the right person for the job.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>will be vilified, hated, and lied about. The nominee's family will be attacked and their children will be stalked on the way to and from school. Every second of the candidate's past will be scrutinized; reporters will rummage through literal garbage, looking for unpaid visa bills. They will scour court records, looking for traffic tickets -- or if they are supremely lucky, 20 year old DUI convictions.

That's just what the leftist press and the Democrats (but I repeat myself) DO to Republican candidates in the age of Bush Derangement and ObamaWorship.  And in the course of doing that, the nominee's standing with moderates will be shaky. Independents will be leery. RINOs will insist that if we had only nominated one of THEM, then this would never have happened -- and Democrats will be in frothing, red-rimmed rage-filled paroxysms of hatred at the sheer affront that one of THOSE PEOPLE would dare challenge Teh Won.

Can you think of someone to whom all of the preceeding has already been done, and who is still standing -- STILL refusing to kowtow to the Leftist Grandees of the New York Times, refusing to beg for THIER respect, but instead standing strong and earning OURS?

Me too.

Now, I'm not yet sold on Sarah!! for 2012. But neither do I dismiss her out of hand. Rush is right: the leftoids will tell us -- ARE telling us -- who they fear the most, and right now that's Sarah!! The 2012 campaign is still a long ways away, and a lot will happen between now and then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will be vilified, hated, and lied about. The nominee&#8217;s family will be attacked and their children will be stalked on the way to and from school. Every second of the candidate&#8217;s past will be scrutinized; reporters will rummage through literal garbage, looking for unpaid visa bills. They will scour court records, looking for traffic tickets &#8212; or if they are supremely lucky, 20 year old DUI convictions.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just what the leftist press and the Democrats (but I repeat myself) DO to Republican candidates in the age of Bush Derangement and ObamaWorship.  And in the course of doing that, the nominee&#8217;s standing with moderates will be shaky. Independents will be leery. RINOs will insist that if we had only nominated one of THEM, then this would never have happened &#8212; and Democrats will be in frothing, red-rimmed rage-filled paroxysms of hatred at the sheer affront that one of THOSE PEOPLE would dare challenge Teh Won.</p>
<p>Can you think of someone to whom all of the preceeding has already been done, and who is still standing &#8212; STILL refusing to kowtow to the Leftist Grandees of the New York Times, refusing to beg for THIER respect, but instead standing strong and earning OURS?</p>
<p>Me too.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m not yet sold on Sarah!! for 2012. But neither do I dismiss her out of hand. Rush is right: the leftoids will tell us &#8212; ARE telling us &#8212; who they fear the most, and right now that&#8217;s Sarah!! The 2012 campaign is still a long ways away, and a lot will happen between now and then.</p>
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		<title>By: Socrates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the scene earlier?  She's not omniscient.  

I think you're letting perfect be the enemy of great.

You're starting to question whether nominating her would be wise?  That's the game that ends with us picking John McCain.

Or Dede Scozzafava.</description>
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<p>I think you&#8217;re letting perfect be the enemy of great.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re starting to question whether nominating her would be wise?  That&#8217;s the game that ends with us picking John McCain.</p>
<p>Or Dede Scozzafava.</p>
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