Five Simple Arguments Against Government Healthcare


The argument from federalism: One of the great benefits of federalism is that the states can act as the laboratories of democracy.  If a new public policy is tried in the states and works (as happened with welfare reform in Michigan and Wisconsin), then a similar program has a good chance of succeeding at the national level.  The welfare reform went national and proved to be one of the most successful public policy initiatives of the last half century.  On the other hand, major governmental healthcare initiatives have been tried in Tennessee and Massachusetts.  Neither of those have panned out.  That should be a cautionary sign to avoid rushing ahead to just get a bill done!

The argument from misery: I cannot think of any encounter with my government that I willingly seek out.  I hate going to the DMV.  I hate going to the post office.  I hate getting my car inspected.  I hate getting a passport renewed.  All of these things eat up productive time in my day and are filled with useless, inefficient waiting.  This basic situation also applies to people who rely on the government for their healthcare.  When my wife did indigent care in Houston, her clients did not pay for her services.  They paid with their time.  LOTS OF WAITING.  I don’t need more waiting in my life.  And because government employees are typically unionized, I don’t need to be at the mercy of a bunch of unionized employees any more than I already am.

The argument from incentivization: If the government provides the care too cheaply, then there will be a glut of clients who overwhelm the system and create the nightmare of waiting as the price to pay.  If the government offers the care too expensively, people will opt out which is exactly what they wanted to avoid.  If the government tries to control utilization by deciding what services you can and can’t have, then you are up against a far worse foe than the worst HMO you ever faced.  And the government will go where the insurance companies fear to tread.  They will decide who should live or die.

The argument from missing the verdammten point: It is exceedingly clear that a huge reason for the skyrocketing costs of medicine is the problem of predatory litigation driven by lawyers looking for 30-40% of a bloody fortune from an industry thought to be able to afford it.  Between the cost of malpractice insurance, the payouts, and the defensive medicine that must be practiced to ward off lawsuits, it is easy to see why healthcare is outrageously expensive.  Yet, the president very clearly said he would not seek to deal with that problem in the legislation.  WHAT?  WHY?  Because the trial lawyers are very good political donors?  Not a compelling reason for the formation of a particular public policy.

The argument from economic theory: Look at two sectors of the healthcare market that are typically paid out of pocket without the influence of insurance providers or the government.  I am thinking of plastic surgery and lasik procedures for improving eyesight.  Both of those services are becoming less expensive in real dollars rather than skyrocketing out of control.  This happens to be the portion of the healthcare industry where actual market conditions apply.  Customers pay for and receive value at a price that is becoming more reasonable all the time.


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Next93 (Diary) Wednesday, July 29th at 8:27PM EST (link)

Another factor driving up health care is the fact that the government requires hospitals to provide care to medicare/medicaid patients, along with the indigent, at below cost. That means that those who have insurance end up carrying the difference. Any plan that expands this, while eliminating the people who are currently carrying the cost, is doomed for fail.

It seems to me that if you want to increase coverage, you need to reduce the cost; start means testing medicare and paying the free market value for services rendered (to the smaller “client” base), and the costs will start to come down.

Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.

Government control of hospitals

diakrioi (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 9:11AM EST (link)

is much greater than the requirement to treat all comers in emergency rooms, Next93. Government regulation of over 90% of hospitals (only a few private hold-outs are left) is so great that they essentially control hospital treatment policies. This silent take-over has been going on for decades and will be much worse once the cuffs are off under Obamacare. Few people are aware of this.

 
 

Misery

Wing Zero (Diary) Wednesday, July 29th at 9:59PM EST (link)

My first thought when anyone starts to say “Well, the Government should…” is “The government shouldn’t!”

I’ve had this same train of thought for a long time. DMV, Post Office, City Hall, Board of Education, car inspection… LINES and useless government employee’s that are counting down the days until they retire at 50 or 20 years service.

Now we want to give over control of our very bodies and lives to these people!

No.

1-21-09 – We are so screwed… Wait… maybe not just yet.

 

Health care IS a right,

oscon Wednesday, July 29th at 10:15PM EST (link)

just like gun ownership is a right, but the government doesn’t (and shouldn’t) provide guns to those that can’t afford them.
There is a song with the lyric “Tax the rich and feed the poor until there are no rich no more,”, that I think Obama listened to way too much when he was a kid. But there’s a problem he missed, when there are no more rich left to tax, how you gonna feed the poor??

 

health care

CarolT (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 12:18AM EST (link)

I was too busy at work Tuesday to call anyone, I did not eat lunch. Today I called as many of the blue dogs that I could. One dismissed me when I said I was from MA. I learned then not to tel them where I was from and called the rest on the list, none asked my name. I called my senator’s office twice and rep three times, I called Ted Kennedy’s office to say I was against it, they took my name, etc. I called John Kerry’s office, they only wanted my zip code. I told them I was not happy that he DOES NOT respond to me at all and the man replied that he gets a lot of calls. I told him that Ted K always responds, the man told me that he’s sure not many people call Ted’s office now.

I do not agree with Ted Kennedy at all, but I have to say at least he does respond. I got five emails between Monday & Tuesday about why he thinks Cap & Tax and Govt Health Care should be passed.

I called Ed Markey who is about as liberal as Nancy Pelosi, stated my problems with bill and one of his three offices (?? on why he has three) could answer my problems with it.

I called Eric Cantor’s office and asked what else I could do, I was transferred to marketing person, she told me the best thing we can do is to keep calling and tell our friends and relatives to call too. Please do not stop calling. We know what is in this bill, there are those people that voted for Obama that think everything is free.

Please keep calling as much as you can. We don’t need the govt to tell us when we can go to dr or when it is time to euthanize our family, or ourselves.

 

[Health care rationing spambots go away now.]

Ministerbruce Thursday, July 30th at 7:25AM EST (link)

[Now shoo. -ML]

Ministerbruce

 

tier 4

pvogel Thursday, July 30th at 8:16AM EST (link)

i have hep c
tier 4 interferon co pay went from 30$ to 325$
I hate republicans

i am from virginia

Hate

banzaibob (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 9:13AM EST (link)

Really, you hate Republicans. At least under their plans you will be able to buy your inteferon. Under the Obama plan you’re dead meat as it will be too expensive to keep giving you health care.

Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas
It’s better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!
Emiliano Zapata

 
 

You forgot to mention -

tex805 Thursday, July 30th at 10:24AM EST (link)

Veterans Administration health care and Medicare, two of the most popular government programs of all time.

 

Health Care Costs

dlhiggy Thursday, July 30th at 12:42PM EST (link)

There are those with health insurance and the indigent who can’t pay for their health care. Another group not often mentioned are those who have no insurance but pay for their own health care. These people are victims of the most egregious costs of all.

My wife had an angiogram a couple of years ago. The usual hospital cost submitted to an insurance company for this procedure is around $4,000-$5,000. Since we were paying our own way, the hospital bill alone was well in excess of $17,000. So much for encouraging people to pay their own way.

 

Contrary to popular opinion

mcdruid Thursday, July 30th at 3:06PM EST (link)

Actually, litigation is a extremely small part of medical costs and has pretty much remained constant over the years. There are many studies that have shown this. (http://www.rwjf.org/pr/product.jsp?id=36768 for a study on tort reform).

Insurance premiums may have gone up, but this is due to the structure and profits of the insurance industry, not trial lawyers.

Laughable, McDruid

Hunter Baker (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 4:21PM EST (link)

Buddy, there is simply no chance that is true. My wife practices medicine. We made the mistake of not negotiating a tail malpractice policy when she left her first practice. The bill to us personally? $70,000.

Plural of anecdote

mcdruid Friday, July 31st at 5:42AM EST (link)

$70,000 out of a $1.8 Trillion industry?

Anyway, the studies show that there are about 6 instances of actual malpractice for every lawsuit. The vast majority of these lawsuits are decided for the defendent. It sounds like you got hit with the unlucky stick.

 
 
 

Who lives and dies?

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Thursday, July 30th at 4:05PM EST (link)

If the Dems pass the socialist government run health care and then gets to decide who lives and dies, it’s just more motivation to make sure we elect Republicans in 2010. Then we get to decide who goes first and guess who’s first on the list? I’d name names, but I’m sure I’m already on that right-wing extremist hit list, I’m being audited for the first time ever and I don’t need any more headaches.

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)