Might it be good if KSM is acquitted?


Much has been made her and elsewhere about the fact that KSM might skate — lack of Miranda, harsh interrogations, etc.   One theory is that Obama want this outcome so he can blame Bush for making conviction impossible.  That might be true, but here’s a different palate of possible outcomes that could be argued:

1) KSM convicted and sent away for a long time or executed.  Outcome: nation happy, BHO wins.

2) Hung jury.  Outcome: Maybe BHO  wins as per the above theory, maybe nation gets angty at BHO for not convicting him.

3) Acquitted and goes free.  Outcome: Maybe BHO  wins as per the above theory, more likely nation furious at Obama for trying this stunt rather than angry at Bush who could be seen as wise for not trying him in civilian courts.

All in all, you could argue that acquittal is preferable from our viewpoint, since a) KSM would be unlikely to be an important threat in the future (although he’d be a hero in the terrorist and Arab world for some time), and b) it might be the only outcome that’s likely to get the nation really mad at Obama.  Obama is full of hubris - he might be wrong about who the nation would blame.

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A free KSM is a free KSM

6eorge Jetson Saturday, November 14th at 9:23PM EST (link)

That would be an unequivocal disaster for the Dems & Obama.

The good that might come out of it would be the return to a more vigilant US after the Left gets thrown out on its butt for advocating for the conditions that would make it even fathomable.

 

NO it would NOT be good for KSM to be aquitted....

JadedByPolitics Saturday, November 14th at 10:19PM EST (link)

the ANIMAL chopped off Daniel Pearls head he masterminded 9-11. WE all know this show trial is about butting waterboarding on trail as opposed to the perpetrators however that does NOT negate that they are ANIMALS and need to be put down!

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Sometimes People (Read: Voters) Need To Starkly See The Consequences of Thier Actions

IJB Saturday, November 14th at 10:28PM EST (link)

And there would be no starker example of that than the American people seeing the butcher KSM getting set free on the streets of NYC by none other than the megalomania of “The One(tm)” and his so-called “Progressive” ‘Human Rights’ minions.

That single outcome would likely finish the Democrat Party.

 

Jaded, if KSM and the others were acquitted

Richard Mullins Saturday, November 14th at 10:45PM EST (link)

I would start a Treason trial for the jury, and anyone else that had a hand in making sure that was a possibility. No one is above a treason if this happened.

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I don't believe by "good" Insight meant "just", "fair", or "desirable"

6eorge Jetson Saturday, November 14th at 10:52PM EST (link)

It *might* however, be the WTH* moment that sends Lefties to the electoral desert for another generation. (As IJB posted just above.) Trust those naive surrender monkeys with our security? Never again in our lifetimes.

*WTH (What The Heck…PG version)

 
 

We are being very kind to the poster, Insight.

Flagstaff Saturday, November 14th at 11:33PM EST (link)

His diary reflects typical Democrat thinking–”I don’t care what’s bad for the country, as long as the result helps my party.”

I’m not accusing Insight of anything, just pointing out that his reasoning is like the Dem’s who hoped for a recession last summer to help defeat the Republicans. They got their wish, but it has been devastating for the country.

An acquittal of KSM could have extremely bad, long-lasting effects on the US. It isn’t like OJ getting an acquittal by a jury of racists. A lot more is at stake than one man’s freedom.

As a thought experiment, his words are fine. But surely, nobody here thinks it would be good if it came true.

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I was thinking of the country, long term

Insight Sunday, November 15th at 9:07AM EST (link)

There have been several posters here and elsewhere who have pointed out all the terrible reasons that civilian trials are a very bad thing for terrorists. We all agree on that, right?

But a conviction would certainly validate the practice of trying terrorists in civilian courts, which would likely have the effect of encouraging future terrorists, who could plan their actions to game the civilian system, knowing that they would have all the advantages of the civilian system should they be caught.

An acquittal, while not justice (let me be clear: I think execution is too good an outcome for KSM) might likely have the effect of keeping future terrorists outside the civilian system.

Reasonable people can disagree on this, certainly.

Which leads me to say that the best thing for the country

Flagstaff Sunday, November 15th at 6:23PM EST (link)

would be for the Obama/Holder decision to be reversed.

There is NO good to be found here.

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No. Next? [NT]

Moe Lane Saturday, November 14th at 11:51PM EST (link)

Brevity works. (nt)

Neil Stevens Sunday, November 15th at 1:19AM EST (link)

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What are you smoking?

lkdavis Sunday, November 15th at 1:34AM EST (link)

The only good outcome is where KSM is worm food… sorry, maybe I should apologize to the worms.

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Bad for Pearl's family.

joejharvey Sunday, November 15th at 11:52AM EST (link)

KSM kidnapped Daniel Pearl, ignored pleas from his pregnant wife to let him go, forced him to make a propaganda video, and then violently held him down and sawed off his head. I’ve got the video on my computer but I don’t think redstate will let me post it.

The only situation that would be better than the death penalty would be if some other prisoner got him while he’s in jail and there isn’t a trial. I see your point about a conviction validating the use of civilian courts but I think most people already know the use of civilian courts is a pure political play from Obama.

If I knew how to alter videos, I’d cut the video right at the part where they savagely kill him. If anyone knows how to alter video, send me an email at LTHarveyTX@hotmail.com and I’ll get a copy of it to you. People need to see what this sick animal did.

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joejharvey Sunday, November 15th at 12:08PM EST (link)

In 2006 Obama said KSM should have a full military trial. Now that he is President, he is showing himself to be the unrealistic, fact-denying, “can’t we all just get along” liberal that we knew he was.

I guess it’s not really his fault though. After all, Holder made the decision and interfering would be politicizing the justice department and Obama would never put politics first……except for the 30 campaign rallies and fund-raising events while not having made a decision on what he wants to do in Afghanistan.

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It won't be good, but he will be acquitted.

Achance Sunday, November 15th at 12:15PM EST (link)

I think it extraordinarily unlikely the cases will ever see a jury. You can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube. An irrevocable decision is made when you decide to deal with something or someone under the laws of war rather than the civilian criminal law. To obtain a conviction of any of those being brought to the US, the US Attorney will have to start over completely. At most that learned by intelligence sources and through his confessions and other statements will be the basis for a complaint on which they can compile all new evidence on which to base charges, secure an indictement on those charges, and get a conviction ONLY on the charges and evidence generated independently from the Military and CIA’s evidence.

Comrades Obama and Holder aren’t going to do that because they and their fellow travellers at the ACLU don’t want a trial of KSM et al. nearly so much as they want a trial of President Bush, the CIA, and the Military. Consequently, they’ll serve up the evidence obtained in a manner that would not be acceptable in the criminal courts so that the defense can make a big show of having all that evidence being suppressed.

Now I’m aware that Comrade Obama, and probably Holder too, have affirmative action law degrees, but they must have learned something in law school. I would have expected my most junior jouneyman employee, most of whom were lawyers, to first recognize a process problem and then determine whether and how to cure it. And, if you can’t cure it, you let the person go. It’s bad enough to have to let a bad employee of the hook because of process issues, it is treason to let a mass murderer off the hook because you’d rather make a political statement about your predecessor.

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Gitmo is good.......

makemyday Sunday, November 15th at 12:32PM EST (link)

but I think Standish, MI would be better to house these towelheads. In spite of what they say about how that makes the community and prison guards a target for Al-Quida wannabees I think otherwise. Michigan fields one of the largest standing army’s in the world every year. Yes we are talking deer hunters, deer hunters with rifles, rifles with scopes, many with the capabilities to hit a target out to 500 yards.

If I were a terrorist I would scream and cry not to be sent to Michigan.

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Moe Lane Sunday, November 15th at 12:47PM EST (link)

Agreed, my bad

makemyday Sunday, November 15th at 1:35PM EST (link)

n/t

When all else fails…….. Shoot!

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“We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times.” –George Washington, letter to Philip Schuyler, 1777

 
 
 

What happens to KSM should not be about politics

Vegas_Rick Sunday, November 15th at 12:53PM EST (link)

it should be about justice. With that in mind absolutely NO good could come from an acquittal. Anyone not drinking the Kool-Aid knows that trying war criminals in a civilian court is idiotic. An acquittal won’t change any minds.

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