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Sen. Kerry: ‘Very active’ efforts under way to reach settlement with Taliban

Sen. Kerry: ‘Very active’ efforts under way to reach settlement with Taliban.

Sen. John Kerry, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said Friday that there is a “very active” effort under way to reach a negotiated political settlement with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Kerry (D-Mass.) acknowledged that “efforts” have begun after visiting Afghanistan and Pakistan this week, meeting with Afghan President Hamid Karzai and other officials.

“I can report without being specific that there are efforts under way. They are serious and I completely agree with that fundamental premise — and so does General [David] Petraeus and so does President Obama — there is no military solution,” he told NPR. “And there are very active efforts now to seek an appropriate kind of political settlement.”

Hmmmm, this is starting to sound familiar. Kerry is the perfect hatchet man for Obama.

Kerry’s Vietnam “service”

Have the Democrats Learned Anything from Vietnam?

The Vietnam War was the defining event for the modern Democratic Party. Nearly four decades after the war ended, we ought to ask if the Democrats learned anything from Vietnam that is applicable to Afghanistan.

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In Vietnam, the United States lost. In Afghanistan…we’re not winning.

Have the Democrats learned anything from Vietnam? Actually, they have learned many important lessons.

First, they have learned that anti-war riots and protests should be conducted only against Republican presidents, not Democratic presidents. (Isn’t it amazing how Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan disappeared after George W. Bush left office?)

Second, they have learned to not send Jane Fonda to enemy territory to pose for enemy propaganda photos. Unlike the warm reception she received in Hanoi, the Taliban would probably behead her live on the internet for failing to wear a burqa.

Third, they have learned that if a Democratic presidential candidate plans to conduct a foreign policy of national self-abasement and groveling before our enemies, it is probably better to not announce it during the campaign. George McGovern promised that he’d “crawl on his hands and knees to Hanoi and beg for peace” in 1972 and lost 49 states. Obama did not apologize to the Muslim world and bow before foreign monarchs until after he was elected.

Finally, the most important lesson the Democrats have learned is that they should not draft long-haired, stoned hippies and America-hating radicals on college campuses and send them to war. They’ll only riot and try to bomb the Pentagon (like Bill Ayers did). And it makes no sense to offend the voters who are virtually guaranteed to support the Democratic Party anyway.

It’s far better to prosecute a war with patriotic, America-loving volunteers from red states who probably voted Republican in the first place, and to play them for suckers by sending them on a mission about which you’ve said you’re “uncomfortable” using the term “victory.”

The Democrats have indeed learned a lot from Vietnam, haven’t they?

History is repeating itself.

WHY WE LOST SOUTH VIETNAM?

With terrorism in South Vietnam, the Communists needed only from 2 to 5 guerrillas to control a remote village of 1,000 people though only at night. They imposed severe and prompt punishment ranged from “three-month re-education” to “mutilation” (chopping off one finger if the convicted had intended to join the RVN army). A VC district “security chief” had the competence of giving death sentence to those considered as “incorrigible enemy’s collaborators.”

Terrorism also helped the Communists with huge cash support. A large number of businesses, large or small, mostly in South Vietnam remote areas that lacked of security protection, had to pay the Communist “kinh tai” (economy & finance) regularly. Failure to pay after repeated warnings or telling on them to the authorities surely brought death sentences to the victims. Many restaurants were attacked by hand grenades, hundreds of cross-country buses and local three-wheeled passengers vehicles were blown up by land mines because of similar reasons.

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It could be said that the American and RVN governments were on the defensive in the psywar front instead of offensive. Like in pure military front, attack is the best way to defend. So by “freedom of press,” South Vietnam and the United States were open to Communist propaganda while hostile Western media agencies were free to attack Saigon and Washington with ammunition provided by Hanoi. On the same front, the Communist regime in Hanoi only had to confront sporadic small-size attacks from its foes in Saigon and Washington.

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The Americans, like other rich Westerners, haven’t had the patience required in supporting such an unconventional war. The Western media and Communist propaganda made them lose patience, especially after the 1968 Tet Offensive, turning a military victory in Vietnam into a morale defeat in Washington.

During the war, every bit of news or statement, especially the unfavorable, published in America and reported via magazines and radios – BBC, VOA – all produced extreme negative effects among South Vietnamese soldiers who were free to listen to the radio broadcast even while they were in operations. A fib fabricated by a third-rated American politician, however silly it might have been, would deal a severe blow to the morale of South Vietnamese troops.

Let’s not forget who the Taliban are:

The Child-Beating Taliban Obama Would ‘Welcome Talks’ With

ISLAMABAD – Taliban militants flog two men and a teenage boy in a video that has emerged from Pakistan’s tribal belt along the Afghan border, showing the hold of insurgents in at least one area there despite army offensives and intensified U.S. missile strikes in the region.

The video was shot on a mobile phone on Feb. 3 and passed to a local journalist who occasionally provides video to Associated Press Television News. The man who provided the clip said it was taken in the Mamozai area of the Orakzai tribal region, though there was no way of verifying that because travel there is dangerous for outsiders. The tribal elder requested anonymity out of fear for his life.

The Taliban are known to beat people in areas they control if they are suspected of criminal acts, spying or violating the militants’ ultra-strict interpretation of Islamic law. People accused of serious crimes are often reportedly killed.

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Do we really need to pose the ‘elephant in the room’ question – the one that asks which sort of politicians would talk to these animals? US Democrats and electorate, you really played a blinder (to use somewhat sarcastic British expression), when you voted this man (Obama) into office.

Not to belabor the point but war is never good.
So what role should the US play in the future of Afghanistan? We can argue for many more decades if it was the right thing for the US to invade Afghanistan. We can only look at history as our guide. The link below goes to an article written by Wade Hatler.
Wade was 100% against the Vietnam war but his article is very informative.

The American War

Here is my last thought on the government of Vietnam. There’s an old saying that I think applies, although I can’t remember the author:
“Every country has the government it deserves”.
I think this applies to Vietnam, and to America as well. Whether you like the communists or not, there are 80 million Vietnamese, and only a few thousand communist party officials, and only a few hundred at the top. There are no foreign powers dictating how things are done, and there is absolutely nothing stopping the Vietnamese people from changing out their government if they want a new one. There are lots of examples they can see in history, and even some bloodless ones. The rules of historical dynamics are being rewritten as we speak. If you don’t think so, read about the changes in South Africa over the last 15 years.

I see Vietnam as a dynamic place, where the people are really just starting to recover from nearly 50 years of almost continuous warfare, and they are starting to figure out what their place is going to be in the modern world. I really wish I’d come here five or ten years ago so I could see the changes. I’ve talked to people that did so, and the changes are huge and very noticeable in both big and small ways.

All in all, I personally think that 20 or 30 years down the road the Vietnamese people will have figured out their place in the world, and that place will be good.

I am not sure when Wade wrote his article. He talks of the “collapse of communism”.
Looking at Obama’s policies I am not sure that communism has collapsed just yet.
John Kerry and his elk were in part responsible for the abandonment of Vietnam by the US.
And now John Kerry is leading the charge again. The MSM will pump up the calls to
abandon Afghanistan and their people.

So, I ask – What will we say and write about Afghanistan in 20-30 years.

Will we say it was a mistake that we handed Afghanistan over to the Taliban and regret the loss of life after the Taliban purge? Or will we say staying the course was tough and expensive but in the end it prevented the domination of radicals to rule from Pakistian to Turkey and beyond?

COMMENTS

  • avgamerican

    Those are the only two character traits that can result from fear. Obama is willing to talk and talk endlessly because he thinks it will prevent responsibility for making decisions. History will continue to repeat itself. Every generation will face a global threat of aggression. Every generation will be responsible to for fighting to protect itself from the aggressor. But my concern is found in an important truth in your diary. “Every country has the government it deserves.” That is an irrefutable fact and especially for the United States right now. Will Americans truly rise up and stand for truth and justice or will they cry truth is in the eyes of the beholder and keep electing leaders like our current president and congress. Honestly I’m afraid to provide the answer and I think most Americans are too. We lost Vietnam because our leaders chose to play by unfair rules of combat. Ive talked to soldiers who were there. We won the battles then our leaders undermined their victories by meaningless withdrawals. They adopted rules of engagement which guaranteed NVA victory. That’s exactly what this current president is doing.

    • acat

      used to be that, to “put the word in the street”, one would have to spend time digging through moldering library stacks to first find quotes like these, then put them into pamphlet form, likely on a mimeograph machine, then somehow distribute them. A *lot* of time and effort and, for the most part, a niche occupied by the crackpots for only crackpots had the will to find the time.

      I’d love to say one used to be able to count on more honesty from the media, but .. not in this cat’s lifetime.

      The internet is starting to seriously disrupt politics, same way it killed travel agencies and bookstores* and that’s not a bad thing.

      Mew

      * travelocity and priceline killed the bulk of the travel agent business, just as amazon killed small bookstores, the airlines killed rail travel, the automobile killed the horse-and-carriage, and the steam engine killed the local mill. So what? No evil in it, just a change of circumstance. Adapt or perish.

      • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

        I attended college first in the late 1970′s, then I went back to college in 2002.

        The biggest difference was writing a term paper. With the Internet, Amazon books, and word processors I wrote a dynamite term paper in three weeks. Complete with audio-visual aids.

        Back in the 1970′s I had to use the resources at my college or, one time I actually traveled 70 miles to another college to access some of their books.

        Then It had to be typed, proofread, and re-typed. It literally took all term to create a term paper, and they didn’t look as good as what you can make today.

        However, I also noticed one bad thing about this remarkable ease of creation. I checked my term paper on a website that compares it to others with the same subject. What I noticed is that all of ours were remarkably similar.

        Alas, due to the Internet, we were all using the same sources and coming up with cookie cutter products.

  • JadedByPolitics

    dead soldiers, yeah that’s about right for he is the most yellow bellied Senator I have EVER had the displeasure of watching!

  • tacoslayer

    then I would have to respect that opinion.

    I think we would all like to see the Taliban wiped from the face of the earth. However what we would like, and what is actually possible, are entirely different matters.

    I look at Afghanistan and see a black hole of American death and money. I think the money and troops being used there should be brought home to secure our borders.

    If a former CO of the Afghan operation truly believes there is “no military solution” perhaps we should listen to him.

    PS….Kerry is a scumbag of the lowest order.

    • texasgalt

      We just are not up to the consequences. A lot of people might get killed. We have tried to stabilize the place by sending in small teams of spec forces with lots of cash to buy off war lords and elders. Clearly, that has failed.

      If we aren’t going to get moving and unleash hell, then yes, we should stop hanging around, acting like targets.

      • acat

        there’s not a will to reduce the amount of velvet over the steel gauntlet.

        We could crush the Afghan resistance. It would take two generations at most to totally re-make the place. It would cost quite a lot, in coin and blood and .. yeah. the will’s not there.

        Mew

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    It sounds like we’re mainly there to fulfill business deals for road construction, cell phone networks and the like, all of which involve heavy payments to the Taliban via the American taxpayer’s back. At best, our soldiers will suffer more and never be allowed to fight. 9/27/09, “The Taliban have declared war on a $114 million road being built with US funds. …

    Everyone, even the Taliban, gets a slice of the action when it comes to building roads in Afghanistan….

    It is effectively the Taliban who decide which local contractors will work on a project – either by setting a level of protection money that the contractor can afford to pay, or by using bullets and bombs to halt their participation entirely. The Taliban also keep an eye on local individuals who get work on the project – especially those doing the all-important security jobs.”….from TheAge.com.au/world, “Insurgents play a perilous mountain game.”

    ….Then we have the bombing of our CIA stronghold in Afghanistan in Dec. 2009, which everyone knew was going to happen except us. Our guys were working out in the gym when the bomber walked in. The Taliban were reported to be working on a video to show how we were fooled. Newsweek, 1/5/10, “‘A Huge Screw-Up’: CIA attacker may have been well known Al Qeada blogger

    • izoneguy

      We could crush them but the Taliban would take out many innocents in the process. The Taliban will take out all of those who oppose them after we leave anyway. I say leave every Afghan family with a good cache of weapons and let them have it. Maybe if you are fighting for your family and your life then it might make a difference. Or not.

  • http://www.laborunionreport.com LaborUnionReport

    ;)

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    We’re running business deals under the guise of ‘getting people to like us” along with some diversity training seminars. We’re giving loads of cash to thousands of tribal people who are giving birth to new ones every day. It is common in Afghanistan for 11 or 12 year old girls to be publicly whipped with a group of adult men standing around watching–for the crime of running away to avoid forced marriage or pedophilia. In response to recent public stonings to death, Karzai said these should go through proper channels, even if they’re Islamic stonings.. Reports are that when the people were stoned to death crowds gathered round and laughed. The situation in Iraq today is if you are not Islamic, you have the following choices: pay a large fine, convert, or be killed. It is obvious we have done little to change the fact that Islam has its own separate set of laws and government in the middle east. Even if we had, as others have pointed out, it would change back the day we left.We need our soldiers to defend our southern border. Now we’re talking war. We have no reason to be in the middle east except false pride and masochism.