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		<title>By: Jack_Savage</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-277</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack_Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And after it is over, the little matter of taxpayer-owned bad debt will need to be settled.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And after it is over, the little matter of taxpayer-owned bad debt will need to be settled.</p>
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		<title>By: birdmojo</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-276</link>
		<dc:creator>birdmojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Could prevent martial law.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could prevent martial law.</p>
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		<title>By: Uma_Richie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-275</link>
		<dc:creator>Uma_Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I obviously don't have a knowledge of economics beyond the intro course, but isn't this part of the whole correction process that we needed?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I obviously don&#8217;t have a knowledge of economics beyond the intro course, but isn&#8217;t this part of the whole correction process that we needed?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack_Savage</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack_Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is a "soft landing" - I'm using that one. I am the one who needs to get the sarcasm meter re-calibrated.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I appreciate your confidence and sage advice, as well as the points you made. However, it seems that for me the only thing that is going to pass in the next few weeks are these boulders making their way around my digestive system.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a &#8220;soft landing&#8221; - I&#8217;m using that one. I am the one who needs to get the sarcasm meter re-calibrated.</p>
<p>I appreciate your confidence and sage advice, as well as the points you made. However, it seems that for me the only thing that is going to pass in the next few weeks are these boulders making their way around my digestive system.</p>
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		<title>By: Herodotus</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>Herodotus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;P.S.  When did you get so much faith in the Federal government?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  When did you get so much faith in the Federal government?</p>
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		<title>By: JSobieski</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-272</link>
		<dc:creator>JSobieski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;it would be a Thompson-Palin ticket&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it would be a Thompson-Palin ticket</p>
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		<title>By: birdmojo</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>birdmojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;People used to know when I was being sarcastic.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think that the bailout is bad for several reasons (and that the Republicans should have thought that the bailout was bad for a handful more):&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) As Zoot pointed out in another thread, this was a perfect opportunity for McCain to differentiate himself. Imagine if he had come out and played the populist card of "no bailouts for bad business decisions. We didn't bail you out when you bought pets.com, we won't bail out Wall Street when they bought mortgage-backed securities!" It could have been a great way to distance himself from the White House, he could have run against Congress... ah, well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) Personally, I think that we are going to have a constriction ("wringing out the rot") with or without a bailout. I would have prefered one without because, hey. Those are my tax dollars you're throwing after bad... and we're going to have it whether or not we throw money at it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3) The Moral Hazard issue isn't only the whole privitize the profits, socialize the losses thing, it's the whole training the American People to see the Federal Government as the thing that will help you. He ain't your momma, he's your uncle.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But we've been through this a hundred times.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Things will be bad at some point in the future.
Things will be good at some point in the future.
Keep thinking "This too shall pass" and you'll be okay.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People used to know when I was being sarcastic.</p>
<p>I think that the bailout is bad for several reasons (and that the Republicans should have thought that the bailout was bad for a handful more):</p>
<p>1) As Zoot pointed out in another thread, this was a perfect opportunity for McCain to differentiate himself. Imagine if he had come out and played the populist card of &#8220;no bailouts for bad business decisions. We didn&#8217;t bail you out when you bought pets.com, we won&#8217;t bail out Wall Street when they bought mortgage-backed securities!&#8221; It could have been a great way to distance himself from the White House, he could have run against Congress&#8230; ah, well.</p>
<p>2) Personally, I think that we are going to have a constriction (&#8221;wringing out the rot&#8221;) with or without a bailout. I would have prefered one without because, hey. Those are my tax dollars you&#8217;re throwing after bad&#8230; and we&#8217;re going to have it whether or not we throw money at it.</p>
<p>3) The Moral Hazard issue isn&#8217;t only the whole privitize the profits, socialize the losses thing, it&#8217;s the whole training the American People to see the Federal Government as the thing that will help you. He ain&#8217;t your momma, he&#8217;s your uncle.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;ve been through this a hundred times.</p>
<p>Things will be bad at some point in the future.<br />
Things will be good at some point in the future.<br />
Keep thinking &#8220;This too shall pass&#8221; and you&#8217;ll be okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack_Savage</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack_Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A think this is a "perfect storm", and the major component (which no one will talk about) is that the financial sector and world economy is in the process of digesting and discounting an Obama presidency (which they, ironically, helped cause).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I truly believe that this would have happened, bailout or no bailout. The effect of the $700 billion will be minimal, but the effects of the precedent and principle behind it will be with us for many years to come.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I truly believe that this would have happened, bailout or no bailout. The effect of the $700 billion will be minimal, but the effects of the precedent and principle behind it will be with us for many years to come.</p>
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>izoneguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;n/t&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>n/t</p>
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		<title>By: speciallist</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>speciallist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;n/p&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>izoneguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hide your women &#38; children! Obama is riding into town with his tax hikes ablazing! The dows performance is due to the fact that investors are folding their hands until Nov 5. If Obama gets elected then get ready for all financial hell to break loose.
Dow on Nov 5th - my prediction - 6666&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hide your women &amp; children! Obama is riding into town with his tax hikes ablazing! The dows performance is due to the fact that investors are folding their hands until Nov 5. If Obama gets elected then get ready for all financial hell to break loose.<br />
Dow on Nov 5th - my prediction - 6666</p>
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		<title>By: Jack_Savage</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack_Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can you imagine the howling that would have occurred if this happened and the bailout had not passed?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Can you imagine the surge in the polls John McCain would have had if he had said "The bailout will not help the markets, the taxpayers did not cause this problem, and I refuse to vote to throw their good money after bad, unlike Barack Obama and the Democrats."?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you imagine the howling that would have occurred if this happened and the bailout had not passed?</p>
<p>Can you imagine the surge in the polls John McCain would have had if he had said &#8220;The bailout will not help the markets, the taxpayers did not cause this problem, and I refuse to vote to throw their good money after bad, unlike Barack Obama and the Democrats.&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: birdmojo</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>birdmojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is a soft landing compared to what we would have had without the bailout.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a soft landing compared to what we would have had without the bailout.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack_Savage</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack_Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can you imagine the howling that would have occurred if this happened and the bailout had not passed?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Can you imagine the surge in the polls John McCain would have had if he had said "The bailout will not help the markets, the taxpayers did not cause this problem, and I refuse to vote to throw their good money after bad, unlike Barack Obama and the Democrats."?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you imagine the howling that would have occurred if this happened and the bailout had not passed?</p>
<p>Can you imagine the surge in the polls John McCain would have had if he had said &#8220;The bailout will not help the markets, the taxpayers did not cause this problem, and I refuse to vote to throw their good money after bad, unlike Barack Obama and the Democrats.&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: speciallist</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator>speciallist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;NEW YORK (AP) — Wall Street tumbled Monday, &lt;b&gt;joining a selloff around the world as fears grew that the financial crisis will cascade through economies globally despite bailout efforts by the U.S.&lt;/b&gt; and other governments. The Dow Jones industrials skidded more than 400 points and fell below 10,000 for the first time in four years, while the credit markets remained under strain.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;"&lt;a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gHs5OM3gFG_DytQQZFbWfgPT08MAD93L23SO0"&gt;The markets have come to the sobering realization that the Bush administration's $700 billion rescue plan won't work quickly to unfreeze the credit markets&lt;/a&gt;, and that many banks are still having difficulty gaining access to cash. That's caused investors to exit stocks and move money into the relative safety of government debt."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;"Over the weekend, governments across Europe rushed to prop up failing banks. The German government and financial industry agreed on a $68 billion bailout for commercial-property lender Hypo Real Estate Holding AG, while France's BNP Paribas agreed to acquire a 75 percent stake in Fortis's Belgium bank after a government rescue failed."&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEW YORK (AP) — Wall Street tumbled Monday, <b>joining a selloff around the world as fears grew that the financial crisis will cascade through economies globally despite bailout efforts by the U.S.</b> and other governments. The Dow Jones industrials skidded more than 400 points and fell below 10,000 for the first time in four years, while the credit markets remained under strain.</p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gHs5OM3gFG_DytQQZFbWfgPT08MAD93L23SO0">The markets have come to the sobering realization that the Bush administration&#8217;s $700 billion rescue plan won&#8217;t work quickly to unfreeze the credit markets</a>, and that many banks are still having difficulty gaining access to cash. That&#8217;s caused investors to exit stocks and move money into the relative safety of government debt.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Over the weekend, governments across Europe rushed to prop up failing banks. The German government and financial industry agreed on a $68 billion bailout for commercial-property lender Hypo Real Estate Holding AG, while France&#8217;s BNP Paribas agreed to acquire a 75 percent stake in Fortis&#8217;s Belgium bank after a government rescue failed.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack_Savage</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-262</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack_Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are exactly right - God's will be done. And when I think it actually might, I shudder even more.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are exactly right - God&#8217;s will be done. And when I think it actually might, I shudder even more.</p>
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		<title>By: c17wife</title>
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		<dc:creator>c17wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;God almighty help us indeed.
Thing is, I think he may have lost patience with us and is ready to let us reap what we have sown.
I'm committed to praying everyday for this election.
I am not praying for John McCain to win this thing though.  I'm praying that God's will would be done across this nation, in every race.
It is my belief that God would have a remain a free society, complete with personal responsibility.  That is also my prayer.  &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God almighty help us indeed.<br />
Thing is, I think he may have lost patience with us and is ready to let us reap what we have sown.<br />
I&#8217;m committed to praying everyday for this election.<br />
I am not praying for John McCain to win this thing though.  I&#8217;m praying that God&#8217;s will would be done across this nation, in every race.<br />
It is my belief that God would have a remain a free society, complete with personal responsibility.  That is also my prayer.  </p>
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		<title>By: speciallist</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jack_savage/2008/10/05/the-bailout-bill-tipping-points-and-conserva/#comment-260</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here is one of many things we can control immediately...we must protect America from...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Death of Journalism...We the people Must fight against the Old media...call out their lies, loud and often..&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;the King is Dead...long live the King&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>The Death of Journalism&#8230;We the people Must fight against the Old media&#8230;call out their lies, loud and often..</p>
<p>the King is Dead&#8230;long live the King</p>
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