It isn’t a sexist thing though many men will assume it is…it is a matter of a woman who through her actions has stood the National Organization of Women on its head. This organization has done more damage to healthy productive relationships between men and women in a scant 40+ years than anyone could imagine.
Women have had beaten into their heads that careers come first and to put off those families and be all that you can be because you cannot do that with a man and children. When women are told to kill their babies because it will hold you back the message is clear YOU FIRST men and children last.
Sarah Palin came on the scene and showed women that you can have it all with the love and support of a family. We can have a loving husband and wonderful children and a career or we can have a loving husband and wonderful children and stay home BUT we have a choice. We have had Gloria Steinham on covers of magazines in the 70’s and the push for women’s equality all over the TV and magazines telling us we were less than if we did not egotistically grab for the golden ring sans family. It is apparent that Ms. Steinham is both old and bitter at this juncture because REAL conservative women inherently know that to have it all is to enjoy the love and support of a family as you go after the golden ring. We enjoy the support and sacrifice we make together with our families, it makes us better human beings. It is no secret that conservative women are happier and more satisfied people than female liberals. It is because of our families!
Sarah has given a voice to what we have always known and in her we have an example to point to when we talk to younger women about conservatism. She doesn’t need to be the next Presidential candidate unless she chooses to do so BUT she does need to be a major part of our party! I as a conservative do not like nor want to feed into identity politics BUT when we get a wonderful example of a politician to forward the growth of our party WE MUST SIEZE UPON IT! Sarah is that example! There are organizations set up around her example one of them has 60K members both men and women and conservative women groups have set up shop all around the internet…..WE ARE A HUGE PART OF THE GRASSROOTS!
If we are to wrench away from liberals their stranglehold on the female vote it is through examples of women who have it all and they got it and retained it with a loving husband at their side. We conservative women want all women to know that our husbands walk with us in life and support our decisions with a strong hand to help us get to our destinations in life. Men are not the enemies that liberals would have you believe they are. This is a moment in time with this example of Sarah Palin to make women see that the Democrat Party is more demeaning of women and other groups then they ever imagined and we can use Hillary as part of that example.
There are few times in life when timing provides examples of what we as a party can utilize this is one of those windows and if we don’t seize it and nurture it we fall backwards in our push to get to a younger generation of potential conservatives.
I will not sit idly by and let this extraordinary time slip away.
Great. We've spent the last 40 years dealing with
mbecker908 Sunday, December 21st at 5:12PM EST (link)Democratic women victims now we get to deal with Republican women victims.
Let me note here that I thought Gov. Palin was a good VP candidate who brought real excitement to the dead campaign. But excitement only gets you something in electoral politics when you’re a Democrat. We expect a candidate to have real positions on real issues.
I’m a little surprised at the “support” for Gov Palin at this point for several reasons. First and foremost, we’ve got a freaking party to rebuild virtually from scratch. Second and just as important, we’ve got Congressional elections to deal with in 2010. Along with very important State elections that will determine the electoral outlook for the next decade because of redistricting after the 2010 census. Oh, and there’s the RNC Chair election (even if we don’t get to vote) coming up shortly.
And finally, there’s the fact that the only thing we really have a pretty good idea about Gov. Palin policywise is her position on life and her position on drilling, both of which I like a lot. We really have no clue about her position on taxes at the federal level, whether she supports just an extension of the current tax cuts or revamping the tax code with a FairTax or FlatTax. Where does she stand on the role of the Dept of Education? What should the government’s role be in areas like CAFE standards? Should we embark on a new WPA for infrastructure? How about building a bullet train system? What is her opinion of the Dept of Homeland Security? How about a position on Iranian nukes? Or Russian expansion?
Bottom line, we don’t know squat about HER positions just that she seemed uncomfortable with most of McCain’s positions (which I view as good).
And then there’s the “she’s only been a Governor for two years” thing. I have a real problem with that. It’s the same problem I had with Mitt Romney being Gov. of MA for one term and not even bothering to run again. That was a huge negative for me and I said so here many times. Let’s see how Gov Palin does for the next two years, whether she can deal with AK politics and how she fares with oil prices way down from their highs and down pretty significantly from the levels that the state budget was based on.
Oh, and maybe she doesn’t want to be President. We don’t know, do we?
One thing is for sure, if she wants to run in 2012 she’ll have a built in advantage over the rest of the field which will give her a really short head start. The one thing I hope we don’t see is a big outpouring of support because she’s a woman. We’re electing a President. We’re not Democrats, we don’t (or sure as hell shouldn’t) elect figureheads.
Bottom line, follow the link to pick up some really top notch cheese to go with your whine. Hopefully you’ll grow up by 2012.
not women victims and nothing whiney about what I said...you sir are...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 21st at 5:18PM EST (link)a big neanderthal the fact that you saw victimhood and whining in an otherwise excellent diary on what Sarah Palin brings to the party says more about your defensive posture as a man than anything I said about women!
Here is the deal you and your other neaderthals hang together on your MAN diaries and I will stay away from you and you can stay away from me BUT know this I will be bringing women young and old in droves to this party but I will not suggest for a moment they visit this site because you old grizzled men will surely make the meme about the Republican Party true in their eyes! Good luck with your little slice of the party because no matter how much you fight it WOMEN and MINORITIES will be a majority of this party in future elections both running for office and voting!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Not much on comprehension these days are we.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 21st at 5:32PM EST (link)First of all, in your “excellent diary”, you don’t make a single reference to any specifics with respect to Gov Palin’s supposed “conservatism” and you do allude to that.
Second, I have no problem supporting Gov Palin as our Presidential candidate, heck I’d much rather have her at the top of the last ticket than McCain. I’ll repeat again, we really don’t know much of anything about HER positions on anything other than life and energy and both of those are good.
I note that when I ask for specifics as in
what I get is
And BTW, I’m not in the least being defensive. I’m simply asking the same questions I’ve asked and will continue to ask of male candidates. I’ve not taken a shot at Gov Palin in any form - or forum - and have said repeatedly I’m willing to support her depending on her positions on issues. You can’t find a single comment of mine (or Art’s for that matter) that is as tough on Gov Palin as some of the nice stuff I said about Mike Huckabee during the primary. Or Mitt Romney for that matter.
So, you want to protest that this isn’t about female victimhood, fine. Take it to the streets. Just make sure you spell “Neanderthal” right on the signs. If you want to convince me that it’s about anything else, deal with Gov Palin’s positions on specific issues and her ongoing performance as Governor of Alaska.
drop dead!
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 21st at 5:35PM EST (link)nt
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Thanks for the specifics on issues.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 21st at 5:46PM EST (link)It’s always a good place to start a debate.
as our pal gamecock would say
pilgrim Sunday, December 21st at 6:08PM EST (link)spelling is the hobgoblin of puny minds.
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
Heh.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 21st at 6:11PM EST (link)nt
Hi! hi! hi!
Rod_Patrick Tuesday, December 23rd at 10:03AM EST (link)Best comment ever.
What I get from the diary
Justin_Case Sunday, December 21st at 6:41PM EST (link)is that women have been sold a bill of goods about feminism and what constitutes a real “feminist”.
What I truly like about Palin is her resolve and her toughness. Back in the early days of the modern feminist movement, it was opined that men felt threatened by strong women. Today I feel that many women feel threatened by Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palin’s represents a strong woman who did not rise to prominence by being a victim. I don’t believe that is Jaded’s purpose either. On occasion I have discussed Palin with women who despise her and the only question I can ask is “Why don’t you like her?” I have yet to hear a satisfactory response.
Of course Palin’s stands on issues are extremely important, and I venture that she will be refining some those in the coming years.
For now she represents an extremely powerful voice - both in words and in deed - that will have to be reckoned with by Republicans in the 2012 Primary.
Thanks for getting it Justin!...nt
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 21st at 6:43PM EST (link)…
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Three other Palin positions
David123 Sunday, December 21st at 5:47PM EST (link)Victory is important in war
Americans have the right to bear arms.
Honest ethical government is important.
David123
Good points.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 21st at 6:10PM EST (link)Thanks.
And she has, IMO, solid conservative creds on the first two. I don’t know anything about the nuts and bolts of what she’s done in AK on the third but I do know she has made the subject a major issue and made some big hay on it.
Here's where Palin stands on 24 issues:
Josh Painter Sunday, December 21st at 7:11PM EST (link)http://www.ontheissues.org/sarah_Palin.htm
- JP
“An armed society is a polite society” - Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)
Give me a list of issues and a group
Achance Sunday, December 21st at 7:22PM EST (link)and in 24 hours or less I’ll have a statement of at least 100 and not more than 500 words that will get me 100% approval from that group. It’s votes and actions that count and even they have to be taken in context.
In Vino Veritas
A complaint was voiced in the comments
Josh Painter Sunday, December 21st at 8:01PM EST (link)that other than on a couple of issues, the commenter did not know Sarah Palin’s issue postitions. I was simply reponding to that comment to show that Palin has made her positions known on a number of issues.
These postions are no secret, and neither is Palin’s record in Alaska. As always, the search engine is our friend.
- JP
“An armed society is a polite society” - Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)
But you *are* feeding into identity politics
bs Sunday, December 21st at 5:39PM EST (link)You’ve provided virtually no reason to support Palin except that she’s a she.
Decorum is fo’ suckas - unless it’s one of the good guys
No I support her as an example I don't necessarily support her for President...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 21st at 5:41PM EST (link)However if she chooses to run I will take a look at her and others who hopefully are Jindal perhaps Pence but she does provide a great example for young women who maybe don’t quite get this conservatism/republican party!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
"an example"
bs Sunday, December 21st at 6:12PM EST (link)meaning: “she’s a she.” Right? C’mon - with the lack of specifics you’ve provided on either thread today, one could expect you to stand equally for Hillary Clinton, on similar grounds.
I have no issues with a female candidate. My wife and I sat here in the homestead and cheered out loud at Gov. Palin’s RNC speech. I was in the “she’s a better choice for POTUS than McCain” crowd, considering what a piss-poor candidate he was (and I thought that all through the campaign, not just in retrospect). But at some point one must do what AC did and assess her actual record before we start putting her on campaign buttons for 2012. She doesn’t get a pass for being a female.
Decorum is fo’ suckas - unless it’s one of the good guys
You, you...
mbecker908 Sunday, December 21st at 6:35PM EST (link)Heh.
I take "identity politics" to mean that
Justin_Case Monday, December 22nd at 7:35AM EST (link)one is attracted to a candidate who shares a common trait such as skin color, gender, nationality, etc. I’ll even throw in “shared values” .
Values, in my opinion, are not as easily dismissed as the other traits that I listed.
Those with values can not comprehend the popularity of Bill Clinton or Ted Kennedy. A lack of values that came to light about ten years ago, sank Bob Livingston.
Sarah Palin is an accomplished politician, but her real appeal to me is that she lives a life that is consistent with her values.
That women have been hoodwinked by radical feminism is very apparent in Jaded’s diary. Sarah Palin represents a refreshing departure that is not reflected in your comment regarding how Jaded might view Hillary Clinton.
There have been comparisons in the two threads between “blank slates” Obama and Palin. I would posit that Palin’s character and values are far more evident than anything we have witnessed from Obama or Hillary Clinton for that matter. I don’t have to be more specific than that.
I'm with Jaded . . .
Steve W Monday, December 22nd at 8:05PM EST (link)Jaded specifically stated in her diary that she thought Sarah is a good example of what a conservative woman should be - and that it is that role model that should be used to invite women to join conservatives.
She also did NOT say that Sarah should be the next Republican candidate.
I think the following discussion shows that Republicans have not even begun to get their act together in regards with their own position and values. Everyone seems to be more than happy to duke it out with their own supporters.
There will always be a candidate that better supports what you think is important. The problem is, is that the Republican party is a conglomeration of different groups - just like the Democratic party is. This means that for the Rs, unfortunately, that there will be two or three major candidates that captivate the SoCons, the FiCons, and the DefCons - but only some mediocre, middle-of-the-road, inferior, almost-liberal can get enough play to win the party . . . look at the last election.
So, why are we so happy to argue with each other - without even hearing what the other is saying? Calling each other neanderthals, etc. That’s real mature . . . and real helpful.
The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas-a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.
- Ronald Reagan
How nice of ABC to run a story on everything I have discussed today...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 21st at 6:32PM EST (link)http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=6496966&page=1
“But for Republicans, the solution may not just be in numbers. Perhaps the biggest challenge is how to incorporate, at the national level, an increasingly white, racially polarized, and Southern Republican base with the ambivalence about race and gender politics exhibited by the Gen-X, Gen-Y and Millennial age groups.
“This has to be real, and real means both that you look past ethnicity and race, but also that you understand ethnicity and race, and you understand that there are still issues that affect different groups differently,” says Mr. Delli Carpini. ”
and my favorite part of all
“A delegate to the Republican Convention, Ms. Rodriguez says the party’s “token nods” to diversity fell flat. Many immigrants “have conservative values, but they once again associate the Republican party with poor immigration strategies or the rich old white guy sitting up in his big corner office in D.C. What could he possibly know?” she says. ”
Now why would Ms. Rodriguez or any Republican fell that way? jeez I don’t think we need look pasts the many comments on two different diaries today to see why that is.
The youth vote went for Reagan 56 percent and didn’t turn over until Clinton and WE have not gotten it back THERE IS A PROBLEM we either address it and win or ignore and reman bitter with one another.
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Thanks.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 21st at 6:37PM EST (link)ABC has long been THE source for everything the Republicans need to do to win.
Your welcome any time...nt
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 21st at 6:41PM EST (link)..
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
So some racists at ABC think we need to be more racist? whatever. (nt)
Neil Stevens Sunday, December 21st at 6:44PM EST (link)Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
WOW Neil it wasn't racist at ABC the article was on young Republicans...did you read it?
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 21st at 6:48PM EST (link)ABC wasn’t saying it those young people were and they are on the ground and working hard to get the conservative votes back to the Republicans….I cannot believe the level of discourse on this site today IS ANYONE PAYING ATTENTION to some the REAL problems we have in this party? REALLY?
You think we can win without the youth vote the minority vote the women vote do you? because it can’t be done….Sarah is the only person who brought out social conservatives and women whether you all like it or not BUT these young people are serious about rebuilding this party are you?
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Uh, it's racist by definition
Neil Stevens Sunday, December 21st at 6:52PM EST (link)She’s saying that we have to accept race theory as legitimate, and incorporate its assumptions into our behavior. I reject that.
I want a Republican party that stands up for Americans, and judges a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character. To me, that phrase means something, and isn’t just something you recite once a year in February as the Democrats do.
Leave racism to the Democrats, as it was in 1860, in 1960, and yes in 2008.
Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
We can look at everything that is said about....
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 21st at 6:55PM EST (link)women or people of color as racist or we can look at it as an opportunity to engage people in the conversation about conservatism….why must it be all or nothing….I think the gays in CA found out that an all or nothing argument gets you nothing!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Yup, equality is a winning issue, Jaded
Neil Stevens Sunday, December 21st at 6:58PM EST (link)We passed Prop. 8. We also passed Prop. 209. Equality, not racist beancounting, is a winning stance and a just stance to take.
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There Is No Crisis
As I said it provides an opportunity to engage...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 21st at 7:05PM EST (link)it does not have to be “equality” but it cannot be ignored…..if those minorities didn’t get out to vote Obama prop 8 wouldn’t have passed BUT those voters are conservative and WE need to get them back on our side of the divide and however we engage them it must be done!
The whole point of the diary was to show WHY Sarah is important for our message to women that she stood everything that has been beaten in to womens brains from all these women’s magazines was WRONG she alone has show how a female Republican can be all she wants to be with the support of her family and be prolife all at the same time. WE may not like identity politics but they are there and WE in this party need every great example of what we believe front and center to take back this country from these disgusting liberals!
She is a woman yes but she is Republican Michael Steele is black yes but he is a Republican and Joseph Cao is an asian but he is a Republican, Bobby Jindal is an Indian but he is a Republican….these are the faces of our party which show WE are inclusive and our message is sound THEY need to be front and center!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
And because we choose to focus on issues
mbecker908 Sunday, December 21st at 7:04PM EST (link)and actual real world performance, most of the RS regulars would support Ken Blackwell or Michael Steele over the nameless, faceless white guy who’s the current RNC Chairman and we’ll be pissed if Duncan the Idiot gets his job back.
And while we’re at it, your whining about the supposed attacks on and no support for Gov. Palin is without anything even remotely substantiated. She’s got a strong following here and the rest of us want to see more “red meat” in terms of positions on issues and actual job performance but would be willing to support her for POTUS in 2012 based on good feedback in both areas by then.
to kowalski here...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 21st at 6:52PM EST (link)forget about it this is not the site for this argument I will work with the The Young Republicans which both my sons are members of and I will work with the 3 conservative womens groups I work with and I will keep on twittering to get my ideas acrossed to people who choose to follow me.
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Life, the foundation of all issues!
atemely Sunday, December 21st at 7:46PM EST (link)that’s why Sarah Palin matters!
Sarah Palin, pro-life in words and deeds!
Economic, political and social issues are useless to the unborn.
hey atemely you got anything else? we get it and agree...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 21st at 7:47PM EST (link)add something more or stop please…thank you!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
atemley, you're trolling this comment. Knock it off.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 21st at 7:49PM EST (link)You’ll find really quickly that we don’t suffer trolls of any variety.
trolling for what?
atemely Sunday, December 21st at 8:29PM EST (link)Have to remind myself everytime I read Redstate to troll out of your post mbecker908 & jaded.
You can't possibly be this dense.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 21st at 8:39PM EST (link)You are trolling the following comment:
around to different diaries for whatever reason who knows.
If you have a comment on the diary or on another comment that relates to the diary, make it. The above crap simply takes up space and adds nothing to any discussion you’ve been through (note that I didn’t say “been in”).
You tell us
Neil Stevens Sunday, December 21st at 8:47PM EST (link)What are you trolling for atemely? Having a hissy fit over our front page policy?
Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
hissy fit?
atemely Sunday, December 21st at 9:43PM EST (link)what are you talking about?
I am not a diarist. I never registered to be a diarist but I did get a password with my name. Probably when I donated a couple of bucks when redstate had a funraising for a new version, I automatically got a password.
Posting a comment on Sarah Palin and Pro-Life is trolling?
Well, goodbye, redstaters diarists. I don’t belong…
OK, I was wrong.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 21st at 9:48PM EST (link)You are that dense. And then some.
Don't be so sure
Neil Stevens Sunday, December 21st at 10:31PM EST (link)His posting history’s telling, as you pointed out.
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I was referring to my original comment
mbecker908 Sunday, December 21st at 10:37PM EST (link)where I said “You can’t possibly be that dense”. I was wrong, he obviously is.
Merry Christmas.
Speaking as a site administrator
Neil Stevens Sunday, December 21st at 7:51PM EST (link)I take special pleasure in banning passive-aggressive, whiny, sarcastic trolls.
So knock it off.
Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
Awww, Neil, why do you get to have all the fun? ;)
George Claghorn Sunday, December 21st at 9:18PM EST (link)“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
Jaded, I am in support of Sarah but
Mark Malcolm Sunday, December 21st at 9:59PM EST (link)I have to agree with Mr. 908 on at least one point. We simply must know more about Sarah before she can truly become the standard bearer.
Yes, I joined TeamSarah. Yes, I believe she has a chance, chance mind you, of affecting the leadership and direction of the Republican party. Yes, I want her to succeed.
No, I will not blindly follow her. She’s got three years to build her street cred if she even wants the job. Her gender has nothing to do with this, but I do get the point of your post that her rise is an opportunity for the female conservative to find a POTENTIAL role model. I hope she measures up to the challenge, because unlike liberals conservatives try to discard the flawed and unwholesome when they surface.
I may not agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it to the very death.
Hey, I joined TeamSarah too!
mbecker908 Sunday, December 21st at 10:04PM EST (link)I forgot. I’m old.
Well I don't blindly follow her or any politician for that matter....
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 21st at 10:15PM EST (link)I didn’t become Jaded by politics overnight….for whatever reason some get this diary and some do not….the point is not Sarah exactly but what she enables the women of this party to do and that is to have an example of what a REAL women does and that is works and raises children and stays married and has a child with her husband she knows will have issues in the future but she had him anyway…..those are conservative traits that need to be shown to young women everywhere….AN EXAMPLE….good god you all would have thought I had dictated that its Sarah now and forever I NEVER SAID THAT.
I did say that liberals over the last 40+ years have made men out to be the enemy of a woman who wants it all I see that it has stuck in a few men’s minds too!
So once again and please HEAR ME…..Sarah Palin is the BEST example that the conservative movement has been handed to NEGATE the National Organization of liberal Women’s BS for the young ladies who are coming up behind us older women….period!
If Sarah runs I will give her the same amount of attention as I will if Jindal runs or Cantor (though he voted for the crap sandwich) and a litany of others.
Suffice it to say the men on this site today have been overly SENSITIVE (YES SENSITIVE) to this woman and what she means to this party for the reasons I expressed.
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Beware of blanket statements
Mark Malcolm Monday, December 22nd at 7:33AM EST (link)I think that is what is setting many off on this one.
Yes, I understand your point. In fact, I recommended your diary specifically because of it. However, I think you’re missing the point mbecker is making.
To paraphrase, and feel free to jump in if I get it wrong (like you need my permission) the republican party has never (unlike the hypocrites on the left) been much for what sex or color your skin is so long as you carry the flag. Conservatives (republicans and conservatives not necessarily being the same thing) are the same so long as you recognize the three legs of the stool.
Unfortunately, the above is not how we are portrayed by the MSM and the liberals, but it is generally the truth.
If you disagree with that point I don’t think I can help you and will refrain from further comment in favor of those who have a better tact.
I may not agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it to the very death.
I agree with what you are saying....
JadedByPolitics Monday, December 22nd at 9:51AM EST (link)It is quite like if you feel every football game your team is not only fighting the other team but he refs that is what Republicans face every election…..the MSM has made this Party out to be the party of white fat disgusting rich men who don’t give a crap about anyone but themselves……it has STUCK….WE must do an end round on them to get our message out and WE HAVE GREAT EXAMPLES of conservatism at its best with Palin, Steelel, Blackwell, Cao, Jindal and so many millions more.
They are the proof that conservatism is a GREAT message for all races and sexes BUT if we don’t front and center them the MSM continue’s on its merry path to defining us.
It is not identity politics to be the BEST AND BRIGHTEST and most EXCITING front and center for our party it is just good BUSINESS!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Did Texas Governor George W. Bush...
Mark Kilmer Monday, December 22nd at 3:47PM EST (link)… have to build any “street cred” in 2000? Should people like Mike Huckabee or Fred Thompson have had to build “street cred” before they should have been considered last cycle?
I’m not saying that Sarah Palin is the answer for the Republican Party; rather, I think she represents a take-the-Presidency-back conservatism to a lot of people. And she embodies a genuine empowerment for conservative women.
That said, I’ll see what happens over the next several years before I’ll commit to anyone. It’s too early for that, IMO, but it is neither too early nor to late to reflect on what Sarah Palin has meant and done for the GOP.
Well, Mark, if you read a lot of what many posters
janis Monday, December 22nd at 4:03PM EST (link)wrote about Fred Thompson during the primaries, nothing he did proved “street cred” with them. He was a Senator, not a Governor. He hadn’t held elective office since 2002. He voluntarily decided not to run for his seat again instead of getting his butt whupped by somebody else, he initially supported CFR, even though he said it didn’t turn out the way he had hoped and would support changing or getting rid of it. He supported overturning Roe v. Wade and turning it back over to the states instead of saying that he would outlaw abortions and arrest the mothers and doctors, etc. etc.
As to Huckabee, I’m not interested in defending him in any way. His proven street cred boils down to his fitness to host a talk show, nothing more.
The notion of street cred is strictly in the eye of the beholder and I can well imagine that we’ll be having this argument over Sarah Palin for at least the next 4 years or so.
beg your pardon but it's not an argument
Mark Malcolm Monday, December 22nd at 11:26PM EST (link)rather a debate and that over opinion. I merely pulled the term out as I wrote the post. It’s valid though. Sarah still has to go a long way in the eyes of some to be a viable presidential candidate for 2012. If she’s still around after 2010 she’ll be the front runner in my opinion.
However, I think she scares the bejeezus out of the MSM and the liberals so they’ll go into attack mode between now and 2010 so she can’t rally the troops around anyone. The interesting thing will be to see who she chooses to support and if it’s for conservative only candidates or if she’s just a water bearer for the republican party. Personally, I hope it’s the former.
I may not agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it to the very death.
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Susannah Monday, December 22nd at 10:12PM EST (link)I understand what you are saying Jaded. Although I am a tad bit hesitant to blindly jump on the Sarah Palin for president bandwagon, I do think that she has been a great role model for women throughout the 2008 election cycle (she definitely practices what she preaches via her personal/family life). Regardless of what happens, I do think that she will be a force to be reckoned with in the future, and that she could serve as a good recruiting tool for women.
Thank you Susannah and I too am not.....
JadedByPolitics Monday, December 22nd at 10:18PM EST (link)on the Palin for President bandwagon BUT I have it on my car to piss off the Obama cars….along with my NOBAMA and NRA lifetime membership and take great glee in their looks! I am open to the best candidate no matter sex or color but they must be CONSERVATIVE and then must be ready to fight!
She is the perfect example of woman who has it all and what the women’s movement was all about. She is a few short months set NOW on their heads! and that is a pleasure I cannot begin to express!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Oh, and one other good point....
Susannah Monday, December 22nd at 10:30PM EST (link)Jaded, one other good point that you made in your diary was that the contrast between how the right treated Palin versus how the left treated Hillary was striking. We must also hammer that point home to women voters as well.
Exactly!
JadedByPolitics Monday, December 22nd at 10:36PM EST (link)But both women were treated extremely bad by the press and the men remember Obama calling that reporter sweetie good gracious it is appalling the way women are treated in this society in that we are 52 percent of the vote and no that does not make us victims it makies us powerful and a force to be reckoned with and I want conservative women to be agressive and show the world that WE are part of the future of the party in a large and agressive way
Sarah proved that with her life’s story she is a wonderful example of a suck it up and get on with it conservative!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
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Jim Tomasik Tuesday, December 23rd at 10:23AM EST (link)Sarah Palin should give conservative women something inwhich to be hopeful.
My wife seems to really likes her.
Your first sentence has 88 words in it. Did you breath at all while you typed that?