James Galyean is a former federal prosecutor and former counsel on the US Senate Judiciary Committee. He helped draft both the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which dealt with the detention, interrogation, and trial of Guantanamo Bay terrorist detainees. He is currently running for Congress in the 3rd Congressional District of South Carolina.
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The administration’s decision to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in federal criminal court in New York shows that President Obama is not serious about our national security.
KSM conceived, planned, and launched the attacks that killed thousands of American citizens in a war that he and other terrorists declared. He is an avowed enemy of the United States. The criminal justice system is not the proper place to determine his fate. Our criminal courts provide protections to our citizens that should not be provided to a terrorist, and may actually damage national security.
Just think about the discovery requirements that could be placed on prosecutors. For instance, in the trial of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers, prosecutors were required to turn over to defense lawyers a large amount of intelligence information. Documents from that discovery production, which were never supposed to be provided to anyone outside the defense team, were later found in an al-Qaeda hideout. Let me say that again, confidential documents from a trial in New York were later found in the hands of al-Qaeda.
Now consider that KSM was captured in a lightening raid in Pakistan. The intelligence that led to that capture has been the subject of a number of reports. However, al-Qaeda would love to know for sure where that information came from and how it was obtained. In addition to that, they may be able to learn a number of other things from discovery in this trial.
Consider for a moment the constitutional strictures regarding coerced confessions. Think a liberal judge might want to explore whether waterboarding is too coercive? Or being held in one of the CIA’s black prisons?
Even if the prosecutors have developed their case without relying on any information derived from those waterboarding sessions, the defense lawyers will still have a field day with the issue. They will demand access to all of the intelligence gathering efforts used over the last several years, the black prisons, the waterboarding sessions, the renditions, and any information received from foreign intelligence sources. In short, everything. And they will probably get a lot of it. It will be a windfall for al-Qaeda like no other. Not to mention all the liberal legal groups that want to start headhunting for CIA interrogators, Special Forces personnel, and former Bush Department of Justice lawyers. And in the end, if a judge finds the case has been tainted by waterboarding and other intelligence efforts, the case may falter.
Which may, after all, be the point. The Obama Administration just approved new rules for military commissions. The President’s new rules make obtaining a conviction much more difficult, maybe impossible in some cases. The new rules require that a defendant be allowed access to any classified information used against him. This may prevent a number of trials from going forward if the military decides it cannot afford to “burn” the method or source of the information. And since the new rules are now the President’s rules, it would be his fault if the terrorist were not convicted, or perhaps not even tried.
But, by moving these cases to federal court, if the case fails for some reason, the administration could once again beat the dead horse excuse that “it’s Bush’s fault” for torturing them and ruining the evidence against them. And with the terrorists in the United States now, a liberal judge might want to maintain jurisdiction over them. Any subsequent orders by the court would not be the President’s “fault,” even the ordered release of the terrorists to foreign countries.
So, to recap, the President gets to look tough on terrorists but yet respectful of their constitutional rights, releases a lot of classified information liberal groups are salivating for, and dodges responsibility for the ultimate outcome. The hat trick.
It’s true that elections have consequences. Americans should remember that in the coming months.
Steve Maley
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Yep Bush-Cheney fault and time to raise funds...
larryp Friday, November 13th at 4:12PM EST (link)this isthe great CIA killer and Lefty fund-raiser.
Objective to ‘out’ the CIA spies,whowere all donks anyway probably. and to eviscerate our protection of the USA. Holder , Obama, and therestare protected and live in gated communities. The rest of us will be glowing in the dark. They don’t care.
Suicide Pact.–that is what they are arranging.
Agreed. But the Bush admin dropped the ball.
illinoisconservative (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 4:23PM EST (link)He should have been tried by military tribunal years ago.
Did the Bush administration think KSM would be able to be kept without trial for the rest of his life and no one would bat an eye?
This is idiotic and dangerous of Obama to bring KSM to New York. He will very possibly walk free on some (or several) technicalities. But, a lot of the blame for leaving him languish at Guantanamo belongs tho the Bush administration.. especially considering, as you correctly pointed out, the amount of classified information that will be made public should a trial ever take place.
What a mess.
This is another dumb post from a 'moderate.'
Flagstaff (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 5:56PM EST (link)It isn’t even coherent enough to respond to.
Bush hasn’t been President for almost a year. Get over it.
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LOL. But illicon is, at least, always entertaining. nt
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You know what
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 6:02PM EST (link)Go somewhere else to parrot The Leader’s line about Bush.
G’bye.
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penguin2 (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 6:12PM EST (link)Though I should not be cheering at another person’s misfortune, I have long thought this person had nothing good to think of us here, and was a moby.
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Poof! No kidding, Penguin. nt
mschmitt (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 6:18PM EST (link)usque ad finem
Not entirely factual...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 8:53PM EST (link)The Bush Administration did not drop the ball…
They spent needless months, years and millions of taxpayer dollars chasing the ball through the federal courts.
Hamdan was the direct result of the left’s legal efforts to undermine our congressionally authorized and duly legislated military commissions and terrorist detainee policies.
The Bush Administration simply ran out of time.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
KSM should have "slipped on a bar of soap"
H (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 4:33PM EST (link)and broken his neck… five minutes after the CIA had all of the information they needed out of him.
Al qaeda used KSM as a weapon against the US, now Obama uses him in much the same way.
The difference between Obama and Osama
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, November 14th at 3:21PM EST (link)One Letter, of course….. Enemies of the U.S. Constitution and way of Life – one Foreign, one Domestic — what was that “saying” (which is all it amounts to for Liberals, just a ‘token comment’ one is expected to make when sworn in) we’re sworn to about enemies????
Osama Bin Laden
Obama and Biden
…. reason that is so close?!?!? and why I always call it the ObamaBinBiden admin.
… check your “mabus” Quatrains
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This is how al-Qaeda beats us
Erick Brockway (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 4:54PM EST (link)Unchallenged and in fact aided and abetted by Obama.
I feel sick…seriously.
Does anyone in his administration ever think beyond their own destructive ideology? Ever?
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izoneguy (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 5:04PM EST (link)will have a serious backlash.
Americans will get fed up with terror strikes in America
and will lock & load.
Obama will turn America into a war zone.
Let’s see how democrats will reconcile with that.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Alot of Outrage About Leftist Show Trial
Spartan4Life (Diary) Saturday, November 14th at 8:45AM EST (link)Trust me. People are very upset about this. And not just conservatives. Our beloved brethren independents. The GOP needs to make this total blunder by the leftists a cornerstone of their argument to return power to some adults.
Erick, don't you know..
mdredstater Friday, November 13th at 6:22PM EST (link)that this Administration knows exactly what they’re doing! They are poised to see to it that America — so mean, unjust and unfair — is cut down to size and torn down to irrelevancy in the world. And it doesn’t matter how many people live in fear or die in the process.
As to the original post, James, to say that the Administration “is not serious” about our national security is too kind, but is also incorrect. They ARE serious about our national security…serious that is, about undermining and dismantling it.
Not surprising
wayneinnh (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 6:54PM EST (link)This is what happens when you sit in the front row of Jeremiah Wright’s
mosquechurch for twenty plus years.Jon 14:6 –
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”
It’s not intellectual to believe we evolved from hydrogen gas.
Hopefully Bin Laden has 'disappeared' or turns up dead in a firefight.
Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 5:03PM EST (link)The left would want him alive to study him and ask him how he developed such a cult following, you know, like a rock star.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
We suffer from the German Record-keeping Disease.
Flagstaff (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 5:59PM EST (link)We keep too good a track of the prisoners we hold.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Bet that Obama will get offered ...
larryp Friday, November 13th at 7:45PM EST (link)Bin Laden and will turn it down. There will be a leak. The leak will come from our insulted allies,some of whom would rather have a strong USA, believe it or not.
another Clinton and Sudan (nt)
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, November 14th at 3:14PM EST (link)Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
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“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
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“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
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I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
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Declaration of Independence
kawliga Friday, November 13th at 5:27PM EST (link)Unlike Erick Erickson and (apparently) most members of RedState, I actually believe in the American justice system. The operative words are “justice” and “system.” I also believe in the words written in the Declaration of Independence, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” I call to your attention that the DoI does not say, “all Americans,” or any other subset of humanity.
The Declaration was written because the government of England, which then ruled these states, declared that citizens living in the colonies did not have the same rights under law as citizens living in England. Erick Erickson would agree with that position — in the mid 1750s, he would have been a Tory, not a Son of Liberty.
It is sort of like believing in God, or being pregnant. You either believe, or you don’t. You’re either pregnant, or you aren’t. There’s no middle ground. Erick says that only Americans are endowed with unalienable rights. He’s wrong. He has no faith in America. I do.
“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.” – Benjamin Franklin
It’s weak and foolish to depend on the government alone to defend liberty. Liberty is a responsibility as well as a right. And it is the responsibility of all citizens to share in the risk of abiding by the American justice system. The essential strength of a system is trust that it works. I’d rather die on my feet, defending liberty, than live on my knees, begging the government to protect me. How about you?
Thanks.
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G'bye (nt)
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Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 6:04PM EST (link)Don’t forget to polish your boots before the next OfA rally.
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Darn...
JDidSaint Friday, November 13th at 6:10PM EST (link)I actually was trying to do some research to respond. I’ve never seen someone use such conservative buzz words and phrases to propose such a leftist, wrongheaded position before. It was kind of intriguing.
And to think, he lurked over three years just for that little outburst…
“I’d rather go through the pain of the re-emergence of free markets than endure the long suffering of a socialist state. One is natural and comes from that spark of human desire; the other is imposed and smothers the flame of ingenuity.”-Crowe (from RedState!)
Yes, he's the third or fourth "sleeper cell"
janis (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 6:34PM EST (link)that has woken up today to bring teh stupid. And gotten booted through the front door for their troubles.
Janis, did you see? Illinoisconservative is history!
penguin2 (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 6:41PM EST (link)Sorry, couldn’t help myself. Martin has me in a rhyming mode. I wonder how many that makes for Neil today? A record yet?
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The hunting has been good today, penguin.
janis (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 7:08PM EST (link)Apparently it was an unlucky Friday the 13th for troll kingdom. Good. We’ll see how long the other one we’ve been watching lasts.
Nowhere near a record
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 7:56PM EST (link)I’ve had 4 or 5 in an hour, and I’ve only had that many all day today.
The left’s clearly nervous about this KSM thing, though.
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Hmm, actually it's 6 today
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 8:00PM EST (link)It’s a lot for lately, that’s for sure. I love the 24 hr waiting period.
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Well, Neil, if you're looking for lucky number 7,
eburke (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 8:03PM EST (link)you may want to wander over to Erick’s post on KBH and check out our latest 9 day, 6 hour wonder.
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Done and done (nt)
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eburke, what no link? I expected better...
nessa (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 8:47PM EST (link)LOL, thanks for the heads up though, I hope I find it before all the text disappears when the troll is turned to stone.
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teh twitter
Well, nessa, I woulda if I coulda.
eburke (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 11:14PM EST (link)Me? Post a link? You’re looking at one of the all-time technologically challenged people this side of the stone age. I still think a Word Document is a yellow legal pad and a ball point pen.
I’m lucky if I can get the computer turned on and actually find the ‘Reply to This” button.
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LOL, no problem eburke...
nessa (Diary) Saturday, November 14th at 4:16PM EST (link)…the comments section was little more than blank squares with the names of the fallen trolls by the time I got there.
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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teh twitter
eburke's right, nessa.
TNJim (Diary) Sunday, November 15th at 1:53AM EST (link)I’ve tried to explain how to put a link in to him before without even creating a fancy hyperlink but he didn’t get it.
One more try:
Just highlight the link in your address bar, go to your menu bar, click edit, then copy. Then in your comment box, make sure the cursor is blinking, click after the last word you typed if it isn’t, then go back toedit, then click paste. That oughta do it.
There isn't a comment box or a blinking cursor on my yellow legal pad....
eburke (Diary) Sunday, November 15th at 7:50PM EST (link)I’ve looked
(Ok, ok, I’ll try again)
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Love to see...
mschmitt (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 8:04PM EST (link)The registration stats for the last 12 hours. 99% troll rate, no doubt.
usque ad finem
It would seem
aesthete (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 10:34PM EST (link)That the number of trolls that burn their accounts is directly proportional to how much Obama screws up.
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every once in a while there is BAIT so tasty...
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, November 14th at 3:12PM EST (link)that they can’t help but bite. It is usually the EIT’s are NOT torture discussions and that is one of the things that this fiasco will be harping on again! It’s great to see the Blam-stick being swung so readily. Mod’s’ arms must be getting tired
lol.
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Commie News Net (CNN) & MS-NBC beckons the Trolls/Mobies...
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, November 14th at 8:19PM EST (link)go prepare for a call into CNN Rachael MadCow show or the MS-NBC Keith (my brains have been) Obliterated-man program.
Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
Follow @JLenardDetroit
(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)
The circus is coming to town.
charleskirtley (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 5:54PM EST (link)Put on your clown shoes and head down to the court house. The circus is coming to town.
Obama wants the Sheik put up in the Plaza
jeannieology (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 7:13PM EST (link)when the trial is in NY to extend the hand of peace and sincerity to the Muslim world.
In the Presidential Suite.
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It's typical misdirection and obfuscation
charlesgalt Friday, November 13th at 7:19PM EST (link)How better to redirect attention from economic failure and foreign policy ineptitude than to create a show-trial that will distract the public and keep the MSM buzzing incessantly.
Alinsky’s rules strike, again.
I suspect
anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Friday, November 13th at 7:33PM EST (link)that it’s being done like this because the “O” and his ilk:
1. Don’t trust the Military (which includes Military Justice)
2. Want the trials to be a huge distraction from how inept they are.
3. Think it will be a slam dunk trial.
4. Already have excuses for letting the terrorists off the hook…
5. Want to humiliate or harm America that much more than a swift Military trial would allow for…
6. All of the above…
7. ____________________
Santorum? Well, at least he’s not Romney…
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Will Obama Release KSM if he's Aquitted?
jacon4 Saturday, November 14th at 2:12AM EST (link)If not then this is nothing but a political show trial. I am gonna go with Lindsey Graham on this one ” Obama really screwed up”.
the answer is yes
gekster (Diary) Saturday, November 14th at 2:21AM EST (link)the first question by the defense will be: did they read you your “miranda’ rites.
the answer: no.
then all evidence after the fact is thrown out.
you are free to go.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
Lib's/Dem's - War on Terrorism Crimes
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, November 14th at 3:03PM EST (link)Of course, they won’t even allow that word in the sentence so it is just: War On
TerroristCrimes….Hasan, KSM, and all the like, tie together to the Left. They’d prefer to, for many reasons, keep Hasan at just the “Crime” level – as we all know and covered:
1- PC
2- Can’t admit the Lib notion of PC infests/infects and leads to this uncaught
—- you know, those “connect the dots” thing when you can’t record dots
3- Terrorist attacks at home expose that Surrender Doctrine (let alone Dem’s weak on crime. Always!)
4- Regular courts allow focus to be on Bush, Cheney, EIT’s (which are NOT torture), etc.
and on and on….
As I said elsewhere:
YO LEFTISTS: Hasan committed an overt ACT OF WAR by attacking those who had fought those deemed as our Nation’s enemies. Hasan, finally all out decided he would rather side with our enemies and took up arms in their cause. That is an ACT OF WAR/TERRORISM, not a Crime. But back to the “Criminal” focus….
It goes further than all that – just their (Lib’s) desires to tamp down for their own protection, of poor policy reasons, rather than the FACTS and what it was! This ties, for Lib’s/Dem’s, to KSM and all the others, and their desire to keep all these things criminal if for nothing that we can add one more to the reasons above that they (Lib’s/Dem’s) disdain the Military itself. Trying to go/examine beyond that though…. It is like the Lib’s position exposure in the Movie – “The Kingdom” where the FBI is sent to Saudi Arabia. I will agree with the movie premise of that we want to be sure and clear who/how commits these acts so we can learn from them to try and prevent, better know our enemies methods/tactics, try to ID any accomplices, etc – there is valid concern for use of “Criminal Investigation” techniques (but as always, Lib’s/Dem’s never know where/when we are far beyond that line into “MORE”) – trouble is, when it is OBVIOUS, and even to the point where the enemy claims responsibility, the Lib’s still don’t want to do anything but pull a Bill Clinton and lob a couple of Cruise-missles at folks and call it a day!
IF, and remember this is NOT being conceded, but IF these things (KSM example) were “Crimes” they would NOT be handled just by the U.S. As there are Federal Laws, the FBI, etc, to handle across State lines crime, entities exist to handle across Nation States. This would/should be a case of International Crime/Law – Interpol, International Courts, etc. AGAIN – we, of course, DO NOT agree with this as we want it prosectued for the WAR CRIMES it is and not as if these were just another minor violation like pick-pocketing, but I think you get my point! I am surprised they haven’t even tried to go to that level as it would allow them to take the Anti-American, Anti-Bush, appeasement, etc, Dog-and-Pony Show agenda to the World stage. Yes, yes, pro-Leftist outlets will carry the fiasco world-wide, but I think you get my point! Perhaps the KSM Defense team will go for it in the “change of venue” need for a “fair trial” demands.
At least the Dem’s/Lib’s are consistent — unfortunately for Freedom loving people everywhere they – consitently WRONG, consistently dangerous, consistently _______ (fill in the blank). It is just a shame people have to re-learn these lessons every Decade!
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“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
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Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
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JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, November 14th at 4:36PM EST (link)to Martyr KSM…. Of course, the Liberals/Democrats won’t even imagine that could happen, won’t take the needed Security (FISA) precautions – we wouldn’t want to trip up any other Nadir Hasan’s accidentally, etc….
The only reason this wouldn’t be the case is that they (Al-Qaeda) want to let the fiasco run its course of BLAMING AMERICA!
Could you imagine if an all out Mumbai style attack to attempt to FREE KSM from us “Infidels” ?!?!? They would, of course, consider it a success whether they get him out or get him “Martyred” either way.
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“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
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(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)
GOTCHA WIN
beanerecmo Saturday, November 14th at 9:21PM EST (link)The only real reason for having the trial on US soil is to put the previous administration and their policies on trial. Because of the trial being in the US, and with the Constitutional protections; e.g., Miranda etc., the defendants will get off free because it will be ruled that any information that was ‘gleaned’ from these dangerous twits is inadmissible. Any other information will be from classified sources – the legacy media will be screaming for an open court (which the Obama administration will permit), and will not be presented in open court. Consequently, the defendants will be set free, and the previous administration and it’s policies will be blamed for the Obama administration ‘losing’ these cases.
I was a liberal until I learned to read, got a job and was mugged by willful tax and spend regressives (aka progressives) and naive acolytes.
And the winner is...
qurys Monday, November 16th at 7:54AM EST (link)Eric Holder has wanted to prosecute the Bush administration since it became the Bush Administration. Only this way……he gets to blame it all on the bad guy, the rule of law, and the defense team. He has taken a page from the Obama “let somebody else do the dirty work” playbook. I for one Eric, will hold you and Obama accountable for every minute of this and every piece of information disclosed and every tear that is shed yet again by families of the dead. I am waiting for the legal team to assemble and try to select a “jury of peers”. That in itself is pathetic.
Quinn Says
dclamage Monday, November 16th at 11:50AM EST (link)The point of prosecuting terrorists in civilian court is to obtain the documents needed to prosecute GW Bush and Cheny in the UN as war criminals.
Seriously, does Obama think he is Stalin and Bush is Trotsky?
– Dan Clamage
The Constitution
drewmm10 Monday, November 16th at 3:55PM EST (link)Yes, I disagree with most of you here. If you want to boot me for being liberal, go ahead, but if you want to actually discuss things, that’s fine too.
Is the general consensus here that the Constitution ceases to apply once someone is charged with terrorism? Once they’re accused we can torture them, hold them without a trial, and convict them w/o even giving them an opportunity to present a full defense? Because if anything is going to destroy America, it’s that.
This is tiresome
Jack_Savage (Diary) Monday, November 16th at 8:46PM EST (link)It was an act of war. KSM is an enemy combatant. He was going to get a military trial. Those who attacked the USS Cole are going to get a military trial. There is no difference. What will destroy America is idiots like you who can’t seem to understand that, and have completely forgotten 9/11.
He needs a bullet in his head, and if I were in charge of anything there would not be a single high profile prisoner taken alive from this day forward.
Sad
drewmm10 Tuesday, November 17th at 2:12PM EST (link)It’s disappointing that such a disregard for human life is accepted as a reasonable view. The main concern with trying alleged war criminals in federal court seems to be that they’ll get more rights. If that’s true, if military courts don’t grant basic rights like seeing the evidence against oneself or being free from coercion, then our military court system is broken.
This coming from a lefty?
Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, November 17th at 2:53PM EST (link)“It’s disappointing that such a disregard for human life is accepted as a reasonable view.”
You are a joke. Think about what you just said in relation to the worldview you hold and the reason why will become plain.
That would require...
mschmitt (Diary) Tuesday, November 17th at 2:59PM EST (link)… introspection, thought, recognition… Heck, I’m not convinced that some of these trolls even have their own world-view. Like little red wind-up dolls…
usque ad finem
Troll?
drewmm10 Tuesday, November 17th at 9:03PM EST (link)What’s your definition of troll? Someone who disagrees with you? Because I’ve done my best to engage in polite debate without personal attacks.
Assumption
drewmm10 Tuesday, November 17th at 9:01PM EST (link)Which specific assumption about “lefties” are you making about me? I realize that you’re probably basing that off of some preconceived notion of liberals but I don’t know specifically which preconception in order to respond.
G'bye (nt)
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, November 17th at 9:40PM EST (link)RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
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I must say you have been busy this past week!
gekster (Diary) Tuesday, November 17th at 11:43PM EST (link)I have been here just over 1 year,and have seen a few posters
come and go in that time.
I have been under the sword of damocles myself quit a few times.
But I have seen more ” G’bye (nt) ” this week than in that year.
I hope the trolls lay off for awhile so you can get some rest Niel.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
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lightfootletters Monday, November 16th at 7:47PM EST (link)Civil courts require miranda right be observed. It would seem that all evidence acquired before the accused, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, was read his miranda rights would not be admissible in civil courts. Miranda rights would apply or this is just a show trial staged by Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., and the Obama administration.