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Stop listening to Trump! He is a Sideshow!

By: jaykali (Diary)  |  December 6th, 2011 at 11:50 AM  | 

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The reason why conservative candidates pander to Trump is that they believe the conservative base really likes him and listens to what he has to say. You are all getting played.

If the masses want to follow Palin and hold her up as a thought leader, fine. She was a governor and a VP candidate, she is actually conservative. I am not in the Palin fan club but at least it makes sense.

Trump is NOT EVEN CONSERVATIVE. The same people that criticize Romney for being a RINO should take a look at Trump’s history, Trump makes Romney look like Rick Santorum as far as conservative purity goes.

Not only is Trump NOT A CONSERVATIVE he is a SIDESHOW and will have people laughing at the Republican party. The whole birther stuff was a sideshow. His whole fake run is a sideshow. He is very good at attacking Obama, that is fine. He can do that all day long I don’t care. But to have him associated with the Republican party is ridiculous. He should not be moderating debates and candidates should NOT be humping his leg for an endorsement. This makes me crazy.

Do we want the opening of the Today show the next morning after the debate having smarmy Trump squinting at the camera and saying “You’re Fired!”? People will think Republicans are a total joke and unserious.

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  • exitsfunnel

    For the life of me I don’t understand why the candidates are allowing themselves (and the party) to be drug down to this level. It’s just embarrassing.

    -exits

  • wonkish1

    I mean he’s got to be one of the worst business leaders this country has ever seen, and he’s about to moderate a debate.

    I mean its a joke. And I’m actually proud of Huntsman for telling it like it is and saying that we need seriousness right now not to turn our primary process into a reality show.

    • Xasteius

      It shouldn’t be, but it’s too late to consider otherwise.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    First, Trump is an extremely successful business man, and if more Americans tried to emulate his success, we simply wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now. We need more Donald Trumps, not less.

    What we also need is less of these idiotic articles, complaining that we’d dare hold a debate with the likes of the Donald. The GOP shouldn’t be agreeing to debates on MSNBC or CNN – these faux media outlets are the real sideshow and THATs what you should be railing against. Donald is a self made man (I know he was born wealthy, but not to the hieights he’s taken it), and we could do worse than have our candidates be questioned by the most successful business people in this great land.

    • donald_24

      Trump is not as successful as most people think. He ran his Atlantic City casinos into bankruptcy. He almsot went bankrupt in the 90s. And he does not actually own any of his buildings. Other companies own them and they merely buy the rights to use his name. And it was easy for Trump to make money sicne he started out with a lot of seed money from his father. His father was the one who was a brialliant businessman. He started out with nothing and made a small fortune building houses and buildings in Brooklyn.

    • wonkish1

      Or in finance you have very little respect of Trump. He made a lot of his wealth by convincing banks to lend him tons of money and when things went south the amount exposure some banks had to Trump led them to not want call it in. He was lucky he didn’t go out pennyless because he was at one point worth negative $billions.

      That is not something you want to emulate.

      If you want some people to emulate. Emulate Welch, Jobs, Gates, Gross, Schwarzman, Buffett(despite some of his politics), Walton, John Huntsman’s Dad, etc.

      • theobnoxiousamerican

        First, he’s more successful than me, and I’m willing to bet more successful than both of you as well. I’m not disputing the facts that he went into bankruptcy, so have PLENTY of American companies. Sometimes, bankruptcy makes sense, which is why it exists as an option for individuals and business. Going into bankruptcy in and of itself isn’t a sign of bad business practices, and in fact, not going into bankruptcy when you should IS a bad idea.

        But all of this misses the point. Care to dispute my central premise? I don’t see nearly the same outcry when our candidates go on CNN or MSLSD and answer questions that start with a left wing bias. As I said, we could do way worse than debating in front of the likes of trump.

        And BTW, Jobs, Gates and Buffet are all liberals.

        • wonkish1

          Would I like to have the wealth of Trump? Of course!

          If your asking me would I try to accumulate that wealth by pursuing Trump’s ‘strategy’(read lucky incompetence)? Hell NO! The overwhelming odds are that I would be very, very broke.

          Yeah but Welch, Walton, Schwarzman, Gross, John Huntsman’s Dad, etc. are all Republicans. And just because those 3 are more liberal(actually less liberal than you think) doesn’t mean that professionally they are admirable. Buffett for example was practically an Einstein on business valuation. Markets as a whole run more efficiently because of the work he’s done.

          • wonkish1

            doesn’t mean that professionally they ***aren’t*** admirable.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            You’re still arguing over Trump, meanwhile Obama is talking about a “new nationalism” and how everyone “deserves a fair shot” to cheering crowds in the GOP’s back yard right now.

          • wonkish1

            That the guy is kind of the laughing stock of the business world.

            That doesn’t compare to the….the laughing stock of the entire world in the White House.

            But not every conversation about every person has to be compared against the idiot at 1600.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            I get that you don’t like trump, but he’s hardly the laughing stock of the business world. Again, we need more trumps, not less.

            I trust Trump way more than Buffet, who I think has made himself a laughing stock by the absurd positions he’s taken these last few years (starting with voting Dem in 2008).

            Trump on the other hand has some of the nicest hotels and casinos in the world, has turned himself into a major television personality and has created a brand that is synonymous with luxury (if not gaudy luxury).

            I’m not saying the guy isn’t annoying. Look at his hair fercrissakes. But I’ll take a debate hosted by Trump over one hosted by the likes of Wolf Blitzer or Rachael Maddow any day.

          • wonkish1

            He’s no longer with the Taj.

            Actually he is a laughing stock. The guy has been kicked off more boards than you can imagine. The reason: his incompetence.

            Buffett has some weird positions, but his success in business is unquestionably deserved.

            Not everything is about politics. I’m talking about people’s professional lives not their political ones.

          • donald_24

            There is actually some evidence out there that Trump is not in fact a billionaire:

            http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/donald_trump_cant_sue_over_claims_hes_not_a_billionaire_n.j._appeals_court_/

            “In 2005, Deutsche Bank evaluated his net worth as part of underwriting a $640 million construction loan it made to Mr. Trump’s Chicago condo and hotel project. The bank said his worth was $788 million, according to information presented by the author’s lawyers present during Mr. Trump’s deposition.”

            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124261067783429043.html

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            Because Obama routinely refers to Americans making 200K a year as “millionaires and billionaires.”

  • Common_Cents

    Don’t read into this so much. Trump does not define anything for R’s and conservatives.

    The Trump debate and hype will draw eyeballs. How much does getting millions of eyeballs cost? Ask the campaigns.

  • donald_24

    In the past, Trump has supported higher taxes and single payer.

    http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2011/04/18/if-trump-is-serious-about-running-for-president-he-needs-to-surround-himself-with-serious-people-and-this-guy-aint-serious/

    • theobnoxiousamerican

      so has every GOP president in the last 40 years, along with both top contenders for the GOP nom today. Sometimes taxes need to be raised (though not under the current situation).

  • ripusa32110

    He uses eminent domain to seize land and make millions for himself. If I knew how to link an article Michelle Malkin has a good one about Trump and eminent domain written around April of this year. The fact that Gingrich is a pal of Trump’s proves how bad a candidate Gingrich would be. God help America or maybe Gingrich and Obama are your judgments against a wicked land.

    • donald_24

      http://michellemalkin.com/2011/04/22/donald-trumps-eminent-domain-empire/

      • theobnoxiousamerican

        Trump didn’t invent eminent domain. Faulting him for taking advantage of it is akin to faulting the wealthy for taking deductions on their taxes, faulting Newt for working for Fannie, or faulting corporations for cronyism.

        The fact is, if America elected leaders that appointed justices that upheld the constitution, then Trump wouldn’t be doing this (admittedly bad) behavior. But America didn’t do that, we elected statists who appointed more statists, putting us 1 vote away (or less) from finding Ocare constitutional (!).

        Has Trump done anything illegal? If not, try to change the law, but don’t rail against those operating clearly within the law.

        • texashistorian

          . . . you CAN do something doesn’t mean you should, right? Just because Newt was offered big money to “consult” with Fannie doesn’t mean it was a good idea. Take the principle larger- if SCOTUS upholds Obamacare, we should still seek to repeal it because it’s wrong, even if constitutional. So Trump using eminent domain laws is legal, yes, but it’s scuzzy.

          • Common_Cents

            Just because they are legal, doesn’t mean you should use them. ;)

    • jaykali

      It is encouraging that most Redstate readers appear to get this all this guy is doing is using the Republican party as a platform for promoting himself.

      The Republicans need to treat him as a cancer. I am tired of these guys going to NY to get his endorsement. It is embarrassing and hopefully this debate gets cancelled.

  • znjs

    Originally it sounded like she was planning on going, now this joke of a debate could just as well be canceled.

    • Xasteius

      Now if she’d just stay out completely….

  • Scope

    This morning Trump told Imus that he may call off the debate, and would suggest the two who had committed Gingrich and Santorum, to find something else to do that night.

    Even more interesting in the story, Trump claims that Bachmann had offered him the VP spot on her ticket. Just recently there was a story concerning Newt’s statement that if John Bolton was willing, that he would make his his Sec. of State. According to FEC rules that is not allowed as it gives the appearance that a candidate is offering a position in his administration in exchange for support. Apparently that’s a big no no. So if Bachmann offered Trump the VP spot as her running mate, it surely would appear as though she was offering him a position in exchange for his support. We’ve heard about the meetings she has been having with Trump, at her request I believe. Trump has been going on and on about all the candidates begging for his endorsement. Let’s just hope that Bachmann wasn’t also asking him for money for her campaign that is apparently broke.

    In all, it’s a good thing that the circus show will likely not go on.