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Romney must pledge his very Life on repeal of O’Care

By: jccbin (Diary)  |  June 4th, 2012 at 05:24 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

Nothing short of a blood oath to the conservatives will suffice at this point: Mitt Romney must be prepared to fight, kill and die to repeal ObamaCare. His poor choices of advisers, mealy-mouthed attacks on O’Care, and weasel-worded self-defense of RomneyCare make it clear he is only slightly inclined to repeal the greatest threat to the nation in 100 years.

Mike Leavitt must go. Not just resign and leave the campaign. He must be publicly spit upon, covered in horse-feces and dragged naked through the streets of D.C. Seriously, people, don’t you understand how much we hate ObamaCare or anything like it? Especially if Mr. Leavitt’s making a living on our backs while lying to our faces.

Mitt apparently doesn’t understand how close to a true revolt this nation is. People’s McNugget’s have been threatened. Their Big Gulps coerced. We clearly understand that all our political leaders are incompetent boobs who got where they are by charm, blackmail or the mad plottings of Mitch Daniels (the secret Bilderberger). Knowing this, we feel it will be no great loss if we occasionally hang a few of these nitwits to keep the rest in line.

Anyone know an American city that can still manufacture gallows and guillotines?

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  • rightlane1111

    Obama comes from a Communistic mindset. I am not being mean…I am not slandering the guy…the facts are the facts. The press is way too kind about socialist. His Daddy was a Communist…his Step Father…a Socialist…his mentor, Frank Marshal Davis…A Communist and the majority of his czars…Very Strong Communist leanings and certainly SOCIALISTIC.

    Romney is a Capitalist and for the Free market. Romney was not my first choice…but I will back him above the aforementioned because I love my country.

    • army22

      Both of Willards parents were very strong Socialist.

      • rightlane1111

        George Romney was the Chairman and President of American Motors. “Private” companies are in business to “make” money…not redistribution wealth. So…no…I don’t think so…and I would like some “facts” not a statement.

        Lenore Romney is a Socialist? What leads you to that opinion. Again…facts.

        As far as Obama and being of a Communist mindset…it is all published in either his books, his governance and his documented history.

        • Dave_A

          ntxt…

          • army22

            I was an American before I became a member of the GOP. I believe what is good for America my not be good for the GOP. I strongly believe that Willard will be a train wreck as president. Please do not reply that Obama is a train wreck, as I already know this. This is a guy that nobody likes nor do they want as president. Send him back to Boston so he can once again become a Liberal again.

          • PowerToThePeople

            announced today that he knows he would not win the nomination. Guess you will have to take the sock and Vasoline back down into the basement and wait another four years to bring your nastiness back out into the public.

          • APA Guy

            Failing to support Mitt Romney amounts to that decision, so I’d like you to announce to the room how you support sending Obama back to the White House to continue destroying the country.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            That only Obama and Romney are running for President, correct? There is no third option. Really, though not even Governor Romney’s worst enemy would call him a socialist. The founder of Bain Capital is a socialist? That is just silly on its face.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Will you sand and choose sides, or run away and go home.

          • acat

            Mew

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            Leave it to Breitbart to say it better than I could.

          • Dave_A

            There are rules here, set by the owners – and one of those is that we support the Republican nominee for any given office, in a General Election.

            Romney is that nominee.

            Therefore, the rules are ‘fall in, or be sent packing’…

            You would probably fit in better at www.ar15.com – they have more tolerance for Paulbots (but not for me, after 80k posts, I had to leave – mainly over my lack of tolerance for those with ‘fringe’ viewpoints)…

      • APA Guy

        You are here to depress enthusiasm for Mitt Romney…which is contrary to the “conservative in the primary, Republican in the general” policy of this site.

        Support replacing Obama with the GOP alternative or get the hell out of here.

        • tnfriendofcoal101368

          I don’t know whether to whistle for the mods or acat’s tin foil hat, at this point.

          • acat

            Has it argued that Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul!

            Has it used harsh, coarse, and profane language?

            Has it acted like a troll in some way?

            Holding heterodox positions is not going to get army22 banned. Red State doesn’t appear to do that, else my own tenure would be long over.

            Being a jerk about it, on the other paw ….

            Mew

          • APA Guy

            This moron is claiming that there is no difference between Obama and Romney…saying we should send him back to Boston…

            Oh, and he dropped this beauty:

            “We need Ron Paul to run as a 3rd Party”

            http://www.redstate.com/jccbin/2012/06/04/romney-must-pledge-his-very-life-on-repeal-of-ocare/#comment-83

            I would have banned him on the spot at that moment, but that’s me :)

          • acat

            Who they ban is up to them, and they are very good, but they aren’t omniscient.

            Mew

          • APA Guy

            My bad…

          • http://MichaelHarrington.org Michael Harrington

            I want him to swear by his very soul to repeal Obamacare.

          • army22

            Do we live in Russia, Cuba or maybe China. In those countries you either follow the party line or you are silenced. I would not expect from a group of people who claim to love the Consultation, to than say he either must support Romney 100% or he must be silenced. I spent 22 yrs in serving in the Army, during war and peace. I fought, so even stupid people have the right to say whatever they wanted to say. How many of you served, or did you get the six deferments like Romney did. Shame on those who called for me to be silenced, and shame on those who were to scared to speak up in my defense.

          • gekster

            Or rather a rule.

            Conservative in the primary,
            Republican in the general.

            Romney is now the nominee.
            Like it or not, he is our nominee.
            Not supporting him is what is causing you grief from some of us.

            Get behind him and help us to rid our country of Obama,
            because we don’t have anyone else to do it.

          • http://lukos.com Ed54

            But the website has the right to improve the level of discourse by deleting posts and/or banning people who post stupid things just to provoke others. Calling Romney’s parents “socialist” falls in that category. It appears from the other responses that you have a track record of such posts.

            BTW, I served 20 years in the Army, also during war and peace. It doesn’t make either of us any smarter than the other posters, so stop hiding behind your badges to win your arguments.

          • Bill S

            ,

          • APA Guy

            And when it comes to fighting for and protecting our country, while we respect and honor your service to this great nation, there are others here who fight for our country in a different capacity.

            When you advocate the ruination of our chance to rid the country of a socialist menace who is intent in destroying her, we take serious offense…and we won’t stop calling out those who do…service member or otherwise.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            I am thinking APA Guy is talking about this comment above in one of his post…”We need Ron Paul to run as a 3rd Party. All my family and friends do not plan to vote for him.” or this one “Send him back to Boston so he can once again become a Liberal again.”

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            I disagree with both statements…

          • APA Guy

            We have sharp mods here…I say we just call them out here and let the banhammer fall where it may :)

          • gekster

  • zachv

    Romney certainly needs to make it a priority to repeal the individual mandate, but I think we should at least wait until SCOTUS hands down its decision later this month (Christmas in June?) before we start sharpening the pitchforks and dragging the Fmr. Utah Governor through the streets – heh.

  • acat

    You need to keep your Mormon former Governors straight, zachv. Romney ran Massachusetts, not Utah.

    I think we need to .. remind .. Romney that he has gone on record in favor of a repeal.

    Mew

    p.s. and if we get anything resembling a repeal-via-supremes, I would bet money that Team Romney have a “plan” ready to offer as an alternative.

  • cheetah2

    This Leavitt appointment has me wondering- what is the significance if Obama care gets repealed by the end of the month?
    Don’t we still have cause for concern that this appointment along with his refusal to denounce Romneycare give us a clue to what Romney may have in mind as a replacement?

  • commonsenseobserver

    Not Huntsman.

    They do have a vague framework on their website, but of course it’s not too specific. But it’s still a good step.

  • acat

    Appreciate the edumacatin’.

    Mew

  • checkmate2012

    kind of an important point to know before one gets all worked up about his stance on exhanges…which he’s profiting from as the post states.

    Per the last paragraphs on Politico.com:

    “Several people who know Leavitt expressed skepticism that a man who

  • commonsenseobserver

    But Romney will still have to deal with Romneycare, now that he’s reminded everyone about it.

  • exitsfunnel

    Neither of the two major parties are going to repeal Obamacare in toto. There is just no way that any politician is going to take a stand to repeal the stuff that people like (coverage for preexisting conditions, ability to keep children on parents’ plan till age 26, etc). It’s simply not going to happen.

    If Romney wins and the GOP takes control of the senate the likely outcome is that he will make a big deal of striking down the individual mandate without making any substantive changes to the cost side of the equation which is sort of the worst of both possible worlds.

    In my opinion that Supreme Court is the only chance we have to really kill Obamacare. Going into the oral arguments I would have thought it impossible that they might strike it down altogether, but having listened to them I do maintain some slight hope that it might happen.

    -exits

  • acat

    My hope is that the court knocks it down and Team Romney – and we’ll need every conservative we can get into congress – pass something more tolerable.

    It won’t be *good*, mind…. but it’ll be less bad.

    There’s too much power in D.C. for anyone, other than a handful of hardcore conservatives up there, to say “No”.

    Mew

  • trimulchio

    popular aspects of PPACA through the private sector. (For example, Ryan’s “association health care plans” would be able to help with the pre-existing condition issue by letting smaller businesses availthemselves of “massed group plans”).

  • Viet71

    Just drives up costs needlessly.

    Far better to deal with health care state-by-state.

  • Flagstaff

    IMO, if we can repeal OCare in toto, the only great demand to replace it will be coming from establishment types and the media. The health care “crisis” was manufactured out of whole cloth by the Obama handlers. It wasn’t a response to overwhelming demand from the people. Most of it is about tax money and regulation, not health, anyway.

    The only practical, sane way to do anything about it is piecemeal, with small bills tackling small parts of the “problem” a little at a time. The Wisconsin election maybe proves that such an approach, explained as to “why,” can now work, effectively. Run like hell from any bill labelled “comprehensive.”

  • exitsfunnel

    I think that it’s horrible and arbitrary the way this system has evolved. I would love to see either the tax breaks for employers eliminated some sort of equivalent breaks exteneed to individuals. Having my employer purchase my medical insurance just makes no sense.

    -exits

  • exitsfunnel

    I dropped a few words from that post lol, but I’m pretty sure that you can fill in the blanks. aside: it would be great if there were an edit feature with at least a 5 minute window.

    -exits

  • checkmate2012

    is to eliminate employer based insurance. Maybe it needs to be phased out, but once the ins. companies have to sell to individuals directly and subsidies of any kind are eliminated, the cost will drop like a rock. Same with tuition and any other gov’t subsidized programs.

    That and sellling across state lines would incentivize insurance to create plans people want.

  • trimulchio

    your risk is spread, and there is a group discount.

    Groups, probably make sense, but employment may not be the only way to form groups.

  • exitsfunnel

    Not my day for typing.

    -exits

  • army22

    Romney got caught in another lie today. He has said that he tried to stop the health care mandate in MASS. But he had to go along since the Dems would have over ride his veto. Know it turned out that some of the e mails he ordered destroyed has come out showing that he faught for the mandate. This is the same guy that voted for Jimmy Carter in 1980, Mondale in 1984, Dukkacis in 1988, Clinton in 1992. This is the same guy who was pro choice, pro gay marriage and pro gun control just six short yrs ago. He signed into law the most restrictive gun control law in the country. He had these views when he was 59 yrs old. We are going to lose big time with this losser. We need Ron Paul to run as a 3rd Party. All my family and friends do not plan to vote for him.

  • APA Guy

    nt

  • commonsenseobserver

    That he voted for those people?

    I think most people here believe in America and want to restore its promise.The only way to do that is to elect President Romney with a conservative Republican Congress and state governments.

  • Christine

    “We need Ron Paul to run as a 3rd Party. All my family and friends do not plan to vote for him..”

    You may want to reconsider your wording :)

  • trimulchio

    universal base-level, catastrophic care insurance, like the Heritage plan from the 1990s.

  • Bill S

    You broke two cardinal rules, pal:

    1) No shilling for 3rd party runs. Ever.
    2) Ron Paul boosters are auto-banned.

    See ya.

  • gekster

    A few more comments should do it.

  • APA Guy

    I just posted a diary on this…un—freakin…believable.

  • gekster

    Heard on Rush he got taken to the woodshed over it.
    No love lost between O and Bill.

  • gekster

    The rest of his family has some sense,
    it’s just him who does not.

  • army22

    Just go to google and type in “did Romney vote for Jimmy Carter? This is what I got.
    Mike Reagan, a respected conservative commentator, responded to the Gingrich critics with this statement to Newsmax:

  • commonsenseobserver

    That he voted for those?

    Assuredly, it wasn’t. Hillarycare, remember?

  • gekster

    It’s a little late now, as Romney is the Republican nominee,
    and RP can’t even touch him.

    NJ primary has Romney at 82%, and RP at 10%.

    So it’s time to get behind the one the people voted for, or go away.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    One of the mods will be dropping by to uh…give this discussion the boot. Paulbotting would be enough and the choice is between Obama and Romney, choosing Obama will be a ticket to ride at DKos.

  • jccbin

    …that our bed is made, no matter what we find out about Romney from now on.

    Also, that our biggest influence on Romney is going to be just that: INFLUENCE. Should Romney want to hire a Socialist Chief of Staff or Gardener, there is precious little we can do about it other than make a stink.

    The Diary is SATIRE. It is also pretty factual (thankfully Leavitt seems to like making private $$$ (Yay for him and us!)), and a bit tragic.

    Romney is our guy. We can bring him to the water and maybe even shove his face in it, but we can’t make him drink.

  • trimulchio

    will force him Right, frankly. Additionally, the Walker win indicates that strong positions may not have a high political price in times of economic stagnation.

  • acat

    I’ll reiterate that if we had tackled some of the more onerous bits under Bush 2.0, we could have stolen a march then …

    Don’t know if “insurance across state lines” or “tort reform” or “decouple insurance from employment” would have been the best of the three that come to mind, but … had we done *one*, it would have blown the game for the Dems.

    Mew

  • Flagstaff

    Especially when what your write is almost what a lot of people think is close to being true.

    It’s hard to exaggerate the need for Romney to convince us that he’s a reliable enough conservative. Jettisoning a few of his less-conservative advisers would be a good start. He wouldn’t have to kill them. Just take away some of their gold-foil-wrapped meals.

  • Flagstaff

    But remember, we’re dealing with Republicans. They can misinterpret anything, especially if it’s positive.

    I’m gaining respect for Reince Priebus, though, and hope to spell his name right someday.

  • Flagstaff

    The “beauty” of a series of changes is that they can be observed individually. Cross-state sales–popular. Try it. If it works, try the next one, if not, fix it, then go on. Tax deductible medical premiums AND a lower threshold for deduction of medical expenses, or some other approach to reduce individual costs outside of employment.

    (I oppose using tax deductions this way–it’s only an example.)

    Get regulations out of the way. I would bet that half the cost of medical care is paper overhead. Well, maybe not half. (^:^)

  • gekster

    I don’t think his Mom can spell his name right. lol

  • trimulchio

    home state, but it also let him test some very good ideas.

  • trimulchio

    Family name? I guess his first name is “Reinhold,” which also takes some thought to spell right.

  • acat

    increase to the personal exemption coupled with treating health care premiums as “income”, but that’s because it also benefits those who pay all their own premiums today – seek the largest possible pool of supporters, eh? Your approach seems to help those who use medical services more than those who don’t.

    Oh, and to add another thing to the “To Do” list – bring back the idea of “good samaritans’ indemnity”, i.e. doctors can’t face malpractice while doing pro bono work.

    And if George W. had done *any* of these, the Dem case would have been unfounded and foundered.

    Mew

  • Dave_A

    We need to make health insurance be sold like car insurance.

    We also need tort-reform – not just to help health care, but also the aviation industry, and anyone who ever produced a potentially-misusable product….

    (One of the biggest anti-business ‘problems’ in the US, is that if you produce a product that can be dangerous when misused (Say, hot cofee, or an airplane, or anything remotely dangerous that’s not a gun (since we fixed it for guns as a special case already))….

    You can be sued if someone breaks the law while operating your product, or operates your product in a reckless and dangerous manner – and you can actually lose.

    We need to make it US law, that if a person causes injury to themselves or others while acting in violation of state or local law, they bear 100% of liability for the injury (That means that if you crash your plane while flying in bad weather without the proper license, you or your survivors wouldn’t be able to sue the airport or the plane manufacturer)…

    It also needs to be US law that if the primary cause of damages is an individual-actor’s gross negligence, then they are 100% liable.

    The amount of money wasted by companies protecting themselves against ‘deep pockets’ liability lawsuits (filed with the seller, manufacturer, etc as a defendant, when the damages were caused by the product-owner’s negligence or criminality), is a huge drag on our economy.

  • commonsenseobserver

    The government should not put them at a disadvantage.

  • trimulchio

    car insurance ISN’T “sold like car insurance:” USAA. USAA operates more like . . . Ryan’s association health care plans.

    Further, car insurance is for casualty. Health insurance is more like a warranty, covering wear and tear on major end-items and factory defects. It doesn’t cover tires and wiper blades, but it covers breakes and transmissions.

    Tort reform makes sense. On the health care side, it would make sense to move to a “Worker’s Comp” model without “pain and suffering” damages, but with a root-cause look at why the error occured.

  • ohiohistorian

    But neither did GHWB nor WJC. Although the Cookie-Baker in Chief tried with HillaryCare. You would have thought that Pelosi, Reid, and Obama would have learned from that. No, instead they did OBummerCare.

    This medical nightmare has been festering for over 20 years. If the Dems had done almost anything other than the power grab and bureaucracy build that they did, they would have been heroes, not schmucks

  • Flagstaff

    examples. Not anything I’ve thought a lot about.

    If I were working on it, I’d start from a position of “what general principles should be applied” to solve the “problem.” Individual parts of a solution that violate those principles would need strong arguments to keep them in.

    And I don’t even know what the principles would be.

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    It works for all other kinds of insurance. After all, we don’t need to be grouped by employment for car insurance, life insurance, or any other kind of insurance. Just health insurance.

  • Dave_A

    By taxing them as the income that they are.

    Now, if individuals want to form ‘Insurance Unions’ (like ‘Credit Unions’ or ‘Savings Associations’ for banking) as a completely private ventures outside an employer-employee relationship, then the government shouldn’t interfere..

    But we need to get rid of the group-pooled plans, because they are an economic aberration created by government – and they are ruining the free-market for health care in the US.

  • Dave_A

    They are simply a restricted-membership insurance company (and around JBLM they run more commercials than Geico).

    I have no problem with folks forming their own limited-membership insurance firms (which is how USAA got started, and still who they are) – where groups of like-minded and like-risk individuals can form an insurance company that only serves ‘their own’ (EG, AOPA offering health-insurance to those with current pilot’s licenses & FAA medicals)….

    The problem isn’t a bunch of people forming an insurance company – it’s the one-price-for-all-buyers pooled-care system.

  • trimulchio

    USAA, to be correct, ISN’T an insurance company, even a mutual one. “The United Services Automobile Association (USAA) is a Texas-based, and Texas Department of Insurance regulated, unincorporated, reciprocal inter-insurance exchange . . . .”

    Unlike the PPACA exchanges (or the Federal Employee Health Benefit Program [FEHBP] or Commonwealth Connector in MA), USAA is a buying cooperative that let’s people with similar risk profiles buy insurance targeted to their needs.

    As we are talking a group, we are talking group buying power and group discounts, which is something that you don’t have with PPACA.

    With health care coverage, you could even go a step further and have people and businesses form Multi-Employer Welfare Arrangements (“MEWAs”) under ERISA to pre-empt state insurance laws and offer targeted plans without being in the “business of insurance.”

    The other thing it appears that you may not see is that managed care is as much about the trade-off between volume and discounts as it is underwritting. Catastrophic care insurance is great, but without a factored discount, those Carriers are always going to be billed UCR and, unless you disclaim a lot (usually bankrupting your insured), you are going to pay out WWWAAAAYYYYYY more than you want to.