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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I said I wanted to play with explosives when I went back to the reserves from recruiting.
EOD wasn't available.  Retention hooked me up.  Yet again I have gotten exactly what I asked for but not necessarily what I really wanted...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said I wanted to play with explosives when I went back to the reserves from recruiting.<br />
EOD wasn&#8217;t available.  Retention hooked me up.  Yet again I have gotten exactly what I asked for but not necessarily what I really wanted&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KBDay</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>KBDay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You do realize you are insulting parasites, right? :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do realize you are insulting parasites, right? <img src='http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BrianH</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-684</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know nothing first hand about your job, but from what I do know, you guys are doing an extraordinary service for our country.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know nothing first hand about your job, but from what I do know, you guys are doing an extraordinary service for our country.  </p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff_Emanuel</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff_Emanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;God bless you, man. Talk about a 100% necessary job that is composed of &lt;em&gt;hours&lt;/em&gt; of boredom, punctuated by moments of &lt;em&gt;sheer terror&lt;/em&gt;...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God bless you, man. Talk about a 100% necessary job that is composed of <em>hours</em> of boredom, punctuated by moments of <em>sheer terror</em>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-682</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And the fresh kids straight out of Basic and AIT are so squared away, so COMPETENT at their duties it's scary.
But being in a route clearance company, there's not a bunch of people I'd rather have in my first leadership position.  Especially for a job even the newest and youngest have been doing longer than this logistician has.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the fresh kids straight out of Basic and AIT are so squared away, so COMPETENT at their duties it&#8217;s scary.<br />
But being in a route clearance company, there&#8217;s not a bunch of people I&#8217;d rather have in my first leadership position.  Especially for a job even the newest and youngest have been doing longer than this logistician has.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-681</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That the Army translator was shouting exactly that in the local language at the end.
God only knows what the Afghan soldiers were shouting...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;there's something similar I really REALLY want to say or have someone prominent say when they get threatened with retribution for some "anti-Muslim" thing they say or do:
"Bring it, [female-dogs]!!"&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That the Army translator was shouting exactly that in the local language at the end.<br />
God only knows what the Afghan soldiers were shouting&#8230;</p>
<p>there&#8217;s something similar I really REALLY want to say or have someone prominent say when they get threatened with retribution for some &#8220;anti-Muslim&#8221; thing they say or do:<br />
&#8220;Bring it, [female-dogs]!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-680</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Time to say it.  It now stands for "Anti Patriotic" news service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Way to turn a decisive victory into a defeat.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Seems to me they did the same thing in Viet Nam, many years ago.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to say it.  It now stands for &#8220;Anti Patriotic&#8221; news service.</p>
<p>Way to turn a decisive victory into a defeat.</p>
<p>Seems to me they did the same thing in Viet Nam, many years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you remember, in 1981 there was a disastrous collapse of the skywalks within the Hyatt Hotel in Kansas City.  Hundreds of people died, and stories of heroic behavior in the aftermath of the event were plentiful.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;After engineering and architectural plans were compared to the rubble, it was determined that the primary cause was an on-site decision made at the time of construction.  According to the plans, a single support rod at each support point was supposed to hold all the levels of the concrete skywalk.  Hardware, sort of like a big washer and fastener, would hold up each level at the proper height.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Instead, multiple rods were used, each one supported by the level above it.  The problem was that the "washer" at each level had to support all the levels below it, not just one.  The ceiling hardware was designed to do that--the skywalk levels weren't.  At the top level it failed under all the unplanned additional weight.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don't know of any better example of why planning, testing, and verification are orders of magnitude better than seat of the pants guesses.  That particular night hundreds of people died or were injured because of such a guess.  Pay attention to details and nobody notices.  Overlook the details, and disaster can follow.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you remember, in 1981 there was a disastrous collapse of the skywalks within the Hyatt Hotel in Kansas City.  Hundreds of people died, and stories of heroic behavior in the aftermath of the event were plentiful.</p>
<p>After engineering and architectural plans were compared to the rubble, it was determined that the primary cause was an on-site decision made at the time of construction.  According to the plans, a single support rod at each support point was supposed to hold all the levels of the concrete skywalk.  Hardware, sort of like a big washer and fastener, would hold up each level at the proper height.</p>
<p>Instead, multiple rods were used, each one supported by the level above it.  The problem was that the &#8220;washer&#8221; at each level had to support all the levels below it, not just one.  The ceiling hardware was designed to do that&#8211;the skywalk levels weren&#8217;t.  At the top level it failed under all the unplanned additional weight.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know of any better example of why planning, testing, and verification are orders of magnitude better than seat of the pants guesses.  That particular night hundreds of people died or were injured because of such a guess.  Pay attention to details and nobody notices.  Overlook the details, and disaster can follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nothing convinces the skeptical that we are strong and steadfast more than &lt;em&gt;being&lt;/em&gt; strong and steadfast over a &lt;strong&gt;sustained period of time&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing convinces the skeptical that we are strong and steadfast more than <em>being</em> strong and steadfast over a <strong>sustained period of time</strong>.</p>
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		<title>By: gamecock</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>gamecock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and the whole whack a mole derision. The key is to stay the course, outlast them, win over the natives that want to play soccer and convince them IN TIME that we are not going to lose. That we will not lose.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its about will.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the whole whack a mole derision. The key is to stay the course, outlast them, win over the natives that want to play soccer and convince them IN TIME that we are not going to lose. That we will not lose.</p>
<p>Its about will.</p>
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		<title>By: Wubbies_World</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-676</link>
		<dc:creator>Wubbies_World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;... that men better than ourselves are so brave and simply the best any nation has ever offered on the battle field!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; that men better than ourselves are so brave and simply the best any nation has ever offered on the battle field!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff_Emanuel</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-675</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff_Emanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;...&lt;a href="http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/07/us_returns_fire_on_t.php"&gt;it's a sensitive situation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;<a href="http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/07/us_returns_fire_on_t.php">it&#8217;s a sensitive situation</a></p>
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		<title>By: gamecock</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-674</link>
		<dc:creator>gamecock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;we aren't waging after 72 hours - 13 week sitcom test period when Connecticut doesn't appear on the battlefield (unless a Dem is waging it from the oval office while observing felatio).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;oh alleysavant &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we aren&#8217;t waging after 72 hours - 13 week sitcom test period when Connecticut doesn&#8217;t appear on the battlefield (unless a Dem is waging it from the oval office while observing felatio).</p>
<p>oh alleysavant </p>
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		<title>By: kowalski</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When I lived in Baltimore before I moved to Chicago, I did some temp. work for a midsized architectural and engineering firm, doing things like helping to finish the drafts on the specifications of the structures they were building.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was astonished by the amount of documentation a large project really required, and as a wet-behind-the-ears smartypants I used to talk about it with some of their senior people at lunch:  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Their company was successful not because they were cheaper, but because they really, really, &lt;strong&gt;really&lt;/strong&gt; paid attention to the details on the projects they were working on.  They spent what a lot of firms would consider to be an inordinate amount of time &lt;em&gt;studying&lt;/em&gt; the project before they even formally bid, and they had a team of people they'd send to accomplish that study beforehand, which took weeks in some cases.  I helped type up and format thousands of pages of documentation  comprising those notes and more formalized aspects of their projects and the sheer amount of labor involved was breathtaking. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But their buildings don't fall down, their facilities work as they promised they would, and they are a very successful company because once the project is finished, it's been pretty da*n well thought through.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Their network administrator, BTW, was so comprehensively paranoid and utterly competent that he wouldn't even let me &lt;em&gt;set foot&lt;/em&gt; in his work area.  Nice guy, we joked about it at lunch a couple of times and I completely understood his point of view -- he wasn't about to let some temp. wreck his company.  He was making about $150k per year back in 1994 and he was worth every penny.  &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I lived in Baltimore before I moved to Chicago, I did some temp. work for a midsized architectural and engineering firm, doing things like helping to finish the drafts on the specifications of the structures they were building.</p>
<p>I was astonished by the amount of documentation a large project really required, and as a wet-behind-the-ears smartypants I used to talk about it with some of their senior people at lunch:  </p>
<p>Their company was successful not because they were cheaper, but because they really, really, <strong>really</strong> paid attention to the details on the projects they were working on.  They spent what a lot of firms would consider to be an inordinate amount of time <em>studying</em> the project before they even formally bid, and they had a team of people they&#8217;d send to accomplish that study beforehand, which took weeks in some cases.  I helped type up and format thousands of pages of documentation  comprising those notes and more formalized aspects of their projects and the sheer amount of labor involved was breathtaking. </p>
<p>But their buildings don&#8217;t fall down, their facilities work as they promised they would, and they are a very successful company because once the project is finished, it&#8217;s been pretty da*n well thought through.</p>
<p>Their network administrator, BTW, was so comprehensively paranoid and utterly competent that he wouldn&#8217;t even let me <em>set foot</em> in his work area.  Nice guy, we joked about it at lunch a couple of times and I completely understood his point of view &#8212; he wasn&#8217;t about to let some temp. wreck his company.  He was making about $150k per year back in 1994 and he was worth every penny.  </p>
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		<title>By: nobob</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A brave fight, yes all in all heroic. As I read the post had to be abandoned. What inroads we achieve on the Afghan side are undone by Pakistan's failure to secure their side. When and how can we get them to step up? What is the hard part? Is hot pursuit not yet an option?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brave fight, yes all in all heroic. As I read the post had to be abandoned. What inroads we achieve on the Afghan side are undone by Pakistan&#8217;s failure to secure their side. When and how can we get them to step up? What is the hard part? Is hot pursuit not yet an option?</p>
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		<title>By: streetwise</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;battle is in Afghanistan. So why don't they pay attention to the bravery and successes of our forces?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>battle is in Afghanistan. So why don&#8217;t they pay attention to the bravery and successes of our forces?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave_in_Fla</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave_in_Fla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not software, but your point is correct universally within engineering.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: kowalski</title>
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		<dc:creator>kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That's not so much a failure of ability as it is a failure of socialization:  before you can even define the problem in terms of programming (which is what I think you're talking about) you need to listen to what it is, not assume what you think it is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Before anyone writes a line of code on a big project they should be forced to spend at least a two weeks walking around and talking, taking extensive notes -- in longhand, on sheets of paper -- about the problem they're trying to help solve.  Spending time with the people they're trying to help with a computer program, and especially noticing the &lt;em&gt;little details&lt;/em&gt; that cause things to go wrong.  Even the simplest application can be undone with arrogance, and even the simplest application requires humility to write well.  &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not so much a failure of ability as it is a failure of socialization:  before you can even define the problem in terms of programming (which is what I think you&#8217;re talking about) you need to listen to what it is, not assume what you think it is.</p>
<p>Before anyone writes a line of code on a big project they should be forced to spend at least a two weeks walking around and talking, taking extensive notes &#8212; in longhand, on sheets of paper &#8212; about the problem they&#8217;re trying to help solve.  Spending time with the people they&#8217;re trying to help with a computer program, and especially noticing the <em>little details</em> that cause things to go wrong.  Even the simplest application can be undone with arrogance, and even the simplest application requires humility to write well.  </p>
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		<title>By: kowalski</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2008/07/16/an-alamo-with-a-different-ending/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Dave_in_Fla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave_in_Fla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In many ways we civilians don't even know how good our military is, especially looked at from a historical sense.  I've worked with (and in) the DoD for most of my career, and I am constantly stunned by the capabilties I see in our forward leaning units.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many ways we civilians don&#8217;t even know how good our military is, especially looked at from a historical sense.  I&#8217;ve worked with (and in) the DoD for most of my career, and I am constantly stunned by the capabilties I see in our forward leaning units.</p>
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