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Bernie Sanders (Socialist-VT) appears to have his wires crossed (I know, I know…)

I can’t hope to compare to the Moe Lane Treatment (©?) already given this story, but I did feel compelled to make a couple of points about it. Let’s refresh:

Independent [Ed: Read: Socialist] Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders says language next to president’s portrait is misleading because it says the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks led to the war in Iraq. …

Sanders, a strong opponent of the Iraq war, has asked the Smithsonian to rewrite the text that says Bush’s two terms in office were “marked by a series of catastrophic event” including the “the attacks on September 11, 2001, that led to wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.”

Sanders says the notion that the terrorist attacks were linked to or led to the Iraq war has been widely debunked.

In a letter to the gallery director Martin Sullivan, he has asked the Smithsonian to rewrite the text, to avoid what he calls rewriting history.

Aside from the obvious hilarity inherent in a leftist’s crying out about the “rewriting [of] history” — something many have a habit of doing — it appears some synapses in the “consistency” and “meaning of words” segments of Mr. Sanders’s brain, such as they are, have taken a brief respite from accurately firing.

Here’s a quick look at why:
In his BDS-driven rush to alter the Smithsonian plaque, Mr. Sanders jumps to the conclusion that the factual statement there gives President Bush credit for being right about Iraq in any capacity (if there is one thing the Left absolutely cannot abide with regard to GWB, this is it). He is demanding that the wording be altered because he is greatly offended by something that, in fact, isn’t there in the first place.

It takes quite the hate-addled mind to skip facts and rush to the conclusion that a reference to “the attacks on September 11, 2001, that led to wars in Afghanistan and Iraq” means that the 9/11 attacks were committed by Afghanistan and Iraq (and that the nonexistent claim must therefore be removed); rather (and this has been one of the Left’s favorite talking points for years), the 9/11 attacks unquestionably led to the Iraq conflict.

After all, does anybody honestly believe that Bush would have suggested an invasion of Saddam Hussein’s Iraq — let alone managed to secure Congressional approval for it — if the 9/11 attacks had never happened?

Vocal liberals have been going on record as believing that 9/11 led to the Iraq war for years. Last year, for example, Der Spiegel accosted McCain foreign policy adviser Robert Kagan about just that belief, engaging in this exchange:

SPIEGEL: Isn’t it true that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld took advantage of the outrage over the 9/11 terrorist attacks to strike Iraq? Is it even possible anymore to deny that the war was based on manipulation, exaggeration and flat-out lies?

Kagan: That’s absurd.

SPIEGEL: It’s a commonly held view…

Some liberal website I’ve never heard of agreed, saying in 2005 that Bush used the opportunities given him by 9/11 to invade Iraq, as well as to engage in even more nefarious activities, like — gasp! — passing tax cuts.

Bush is an opportunist who took advantage of the nation’s rage after 9/11 to pass more tax cuts for his wealthy friends…After Democrats made a show of bipartisan support for the president, Bush trumped up the terror threat in the 2002 election to pad the Republican lead in the House and regain the Senate majority. Then he passed another tax cut and invaded Iraq

Richard Clarke said similar things in 2004 when he told the New York Times: “the Bush administration has undermined American national security by using the 9/11 attacks for political advantage and ignoring the threat of Al Qaeda in order to invade Iraq.”

In his rush to condemn anything his addled mind could possibly construe as being a justification for Bush’s decision to invade Iraq, Bernie Sanders is demanding that a favorite lefty talking point — that Bush used 9/11 (the political bounce, the so-called national unity, the increased awareness of an external threat, and the supposedly cowed, gullible Democrat Congress) to invade Iraq, and therefore that 9/11 led to the Iraq war itself — be deposited under the bus.

Ah, well; what’s consistency to Bernie Sanders when there’s a Rorshach president to be misinterpreted, accused, and hated?

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COMMENTS

  • BlueStateSaint

    The State of Vermont kepps re-electing this oxygen waster is remarkable, all on its’ own.

    • Skanderbeg

      bernie sanders is a low-class boor who is completely devoid of even the most minimal social skills.

      He represents more of contemporary vermont in that regard than anyone might realize….

  • weave

    If you flip this argument the other way, are you saying that if 9/11 never happened, Iraq would not have been a threat that we would have had to deal with anyway? Of course not, we would have had to deal with it anyway.

    9/11 just raised people’s awareness that there is a danger out there and if we ignore it, then we will later come to regret it.

    I think it would have happened even without 9/11. Clinton was starting to try to make a case for the danger of Iraq during his term. Plus Congress at the time was Republican.

    But 9/11 did happen, and hence, like it or not, it increased support for doing something about Iraq. It’s just the way it is. The fact some people wanted to, or tried to, tie the two together as if to say Iraq was responsible for 9/11 when they know darn well it wasn’t, is not Bush’s fault.

    • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

      Thanks, I s’pose.

  • Dencal26

    While it is a fact that Bush and Cheney did try to link the War in Iraq to 911 many times which are documented the left would like to act as if Iraq were not an issue pre 911. Before 911 Clintons Sanctions killed 500,000 Iraq Kids according to Unicef. Bubba launched 250 Cruise Missiles into Iraq etc, Iraq was a HUGE issue long before 911

    • mbecker908

      Post the links to reputable sources that reveal that Bush and Cheney did try to link the War in Iraq to 911.

      Now would be a good time to do that. And for reference, HuffPo & The Nation are not reputable sources.

      • DRP

        http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.html

        Courtesy of Google. Relevant text;

        In his prime-time press conference last week, which focused almost solely on Iraq, President Bush mentioned Sept. 11 eight times. He referred to Saddam Hussein many more times than that, often in the same breath with Sept. 11.

        Bush never pinned blame for the attacks directly on the Iraqi president. Still, the overall effect was to reinforce an impression that persists among much of the American public: that the Iraqi dictator did play a direct role in the attacks. A New York Times/CBS poll this week shows that 45 percent of Americans believe Mr. Hussein was “personally involved” in Sept. 11, about the same figure as a month ago.

        Sources knowledgeable about US intelligence say there is no evidence that Hussein played a role in the Sept. 11 attacks, nor that he has been or is currently aiding Al Qaeda. Yet the White House appears to be encouraging this false impression, as it seeks to maintain American support for a possible war against Iraq and demonstrate seriousness of purpose to Hussein’s regime.

        • mbecker908

          Bush was always very clear about what he said, so was Cheney. They never tried to pin 911 on Iraq and your little interpretation is simply BS.

          You can go away now.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine
          • DRP

            Really, I’m not, and I quoted the entirety of the relevant text for a reason;

            1) Bush and Cheney were very careful not to say that Iraq and Al Qaeda had a direct link, supporting your point; they were precise in what they said.

            2) The majority of the American public think they did, largely because they were often mentioned in the same speech (as part of the larger GWOT), and iirc continued to think they did at least through the ’04 elections, so it’s not that the OP is completely off his rocker… well, at least not on this.

        • itrytobenice

          A CSMonitor article that counted the times he said words doesn’t work. Even if it goes on to say that …

          “Bush never pinned blame for the attacks directly on the Iraqi president. Still, the overall effect was to reinforce an impression that persists among much of the American public: that the Iraqi dictator did play a direct role in the attacks.”

          I’ll just interpret that for you…”Bush didn’t link Iraq to 9-11 attacks. However, we so badly want him to that we’re going to pretend that he did.” Just like you.

          • mbecker908
          • itrytobenice

            :)

            (and if I could do fancy things on this thing, I might just put up a picture of a bunny saying something witty, but I fail at that, so I just waste a lot of time typing words. :( )

    • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

      How so? Surely you’re not ignorant of the fact that Saddam and his sons were building palaces and building wealth under those sanctions, so if there were enough money and supplies entering Iraq for that during those years, wouldn’t that make it Saddam who is responsible for that aid not reaching the people, not the “sanctions” themselves?

  • drothgery

    Even without 9/11, it’s probable that President Bush — or even a hypothetical President Gore — would have launched some major operation (at minimum something along the lines of the 1998 Operation Desert Fox) in Iraq before 2004. The sanctions regime was crumbling, and Saddam was taking potshots at aircraft trying to enforce the no-fly zones.

  • Skanderbeg

    Hey, here’s an idea. Put this under his picture….

    “This complaint was brought by senator bernie sanders, who made himself a multi-millionaire by “directing” 15% of his campaign donations to pay for “support” from a political-consulting firm – a firm run by his wife and in which his step-daughter had a six-figure-salary position for which she never showed up. He only discontinued this self-dealing when publicly shamed by his opponent in the 2006 Senate race.”

    Vagrant living under a library to multi-millionaire, all in politics. Nice work if you can get it….

  • http://www.scottbomb.com scottbomb

    That doesn’t make it true. It’s also a commonly-held view that aliens landed in New Mexico. We once thought the sun orbited Earth and the world was flat. A lot of people believe that man’s actions can change climates.

    Speaking of re-writing history, I just finished my US history (since 1877) class in college and boy am I glad that nightmare is over. The lies and distortions being taught was maddening. Every Democrat president since FDR was cast in a positive light while every Republican since that same time was cast in a negative one:

    LBJ was the savior of the poor and would have given us Utopia if only he wasn’t distracted by those communists in SE Asia. Carter was just an unlucky guy who couldn’t change anything if he tried. Reagan putting pressure on the USSR had nothing to do with the fall of communism in Russia and Eastern Europe, it was all Gorbechev just being a good guy. Clinton was a conservative who’s policies made for phenomenal economic growth and a budget surplus (though it never mentions HOW Clinton saved so much gov’t money by compromising national security). Bush stole his election with help from a conservative supreme court (no mention of the fact that he did actually win the popular vote in FL, revealed by after-the-fact recounts by the press). And of course there was Iraq. There was no mention of 14 UN resolutions and the expelling of weapons inspectors, just Bush using evidence of WMD that Saddam didn’t really have (this “fact” is still questionable but of course that’s ignored).

    I could go on and on. It was sickening.

    Some say history will look back on Bush with a more favorable view than did current times. That may be so, but it won’t be taught in history classes. To an extent, he brought this upon himself by refusing to defend himself.

    • olsmithie

      LBJ put 60,000 of our boys in the ground while Lady Bird’s family and his industrial buddies fattened their wallets, forcing our boys to fight a war he would not let them win.

      If there is a specially warm spot below, I’m sure he is in it.

      Regards

  • kennyone

    As had been said, the caption itself is in a way sound; the war in Iraq was in some ways spurred by September 11th. Sanders’ issue is with the missing parts in between. It’s like when an author writes, “and one thing led to another;” one thing always leads to another, the question is how.

    There is a great deal missing from the statement as to HOW the attacks on September 11th led to the war in Iraq (Afghanistan is a pretty straightforward issue). In that regard, I can agree with Sanders’ point.

    The attacks on September 11th led directly to the invasion of Afghanistan, known to be a safe haven for Al Quaida and suspected as the hideout of Osama Bin Laden, but the course to Iraq was a long, winding, and often misleading journey.

    Condeleza Rice and Dick Cheney, among others, avoided connecting Iraq to September 11th, but made later-repudiated claims of a connection to Al Quaida. Further, unsubstantiated claims of a direct threat to the United States posed by Iraq, specifically regarding WMDs that have yet to be found, were used to drive us to war.

    Iraq was a complicated case of bad intelligence coupled with an ambition to fight a global war on terror. Whether the war in Iraq is, or was at its onset, justifiable will be surely be debated for decades, just as is US involvement in Vietnam. Undeniable is that the events of September 11th changed this nation’s course. The entire geopolitical outlook of our nation was altered. And, by that standard, it’s possible to link many, if not most, of the United States’ post-September 11th policies and actions to those attacks. However, I would argue that to do such would be irresponsible.

    To link the September 11th attacks to the war in Iraq by so simply-drawn a line is to ignore a great deal of politics, for better or worse, that so weakly connected the two in the first place.

    The caption should read “the attacks on September 11, 2001, that led to war in Afghanistan.” How we ended up in Afghanistan is a simpler story; leave the story of our involvement in Iraq for the history books, not a blurb or caption.

    • Jaded

      every new year and go further and further to the left and define America as the villian…..those “others” you did not mention by name who made the connection to AQ were Hillary and Rockefeller and of course the WMD that was never “found” well almost the whole of the Congress and the Senate BOTH Republican and Democrat gave the authorization to use force and a LARGE portion of D’s argued better than Bush…..think Kerry and again Clinton, Biden, Rockefeller etc.

      Bernie Sanders SHOULD NOT be able to get a change on a picture that is for ALL of the American people because HE doesn’t like what it says….and nor do YOU!

      • kennyone

        Name-dropping Democrats doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t matter who was wrong about the WMDs or Al Quaida link. Frankly, if ALL of America was fooled by faulty intelligence, if we were all wrong, every citizen and even immigrants, it would still be wrong.

        If Barack Obama had rallied on about the link between Iraq and the September 11th terrorists, it would still be wrong.

        My point in this isn’t to accuse Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld or Rice or anyone else of deception; my point was to state that there isn’t a link between Iraq and September 11th, except the wear argument that binds all post-September 11th global affairs to the attacks.

        The only link between September 11th and the war in Iraq is the “butterfly flaps its wings in America, a tsunami forms in the Indian Ocean” argument. This was not a direct cause-and-effect situation, nor should it be presented as such.

        There is NO ONE that should have the right to INVENT HISTORY for ALL the American people, just because THEY don’t like what happened. Nor should YOU.

        • Jaded

          BEFORE WE CRUSHED him AQ in Iraq and also

          http://www.fas.org/irp/news/1998/11/98110403_nlt.html

          “In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the Government of
          Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on
          particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al
          Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq,” the
          indictment said.”

          That indictment is from USIA which was the was the US Information Agency and a clearing house for government documents until 1999.

          FYI the above was in 1998….SO you can find evidence of AQ in Iraq and working with Iraq IF you want to BUT you don’t and of course the President didn’t push it hard enough BUT that’s OK because I am comfortable with the War in Iraq as just the President opening another FRONT in the WOT and in such that is a DIRECT result of 9-11!

          • Skanderbeg

            And don’t bother feeding the trolls – they have a troubled relationship with reality.

            ‘Here he is in Crawford, early in 2002, being interviewed by Trevor McDonald of Britain?s ITN:

            ?I made up my mind that Saddam needs to go,? said Bush.

            ?And, of course, if the logic of the war on terror means anything,? Sir Trevor responded, relentlessly forensic in his determination not to let Bush get away with these shifty evasions, ?then Saddam must go??

            ?That’s what I just said,? said the President. ?The policy of my government is that he goes.?

            ?So you?re going to go after him?? pressed Sir Trevor, reluctant to take yes for an answer.

            ?As I told you,? said the President, ?the policy of my government is that Saddam Hussein not be in power.? ‘

            http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/1637/28/

            Net: The events of 9-11 meant that a dodging rogue like Saddam Hussein simply could no longer be tolerated.

          • Jaded

            the War in Iraq because it has kept the terrorist’s busy dying for years and the less there are of them to be sitting and planning the safer WE are and President Bush was always dead on in that assessment of “We fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here”.

      • olsmithie

        for processing, Tons of radioactive water, Mobile Chem labs built on tractor trailer rigs. Obviously there was no WMD program in Iraq!
        Mock up 727s for practicing attacks, guess there was no terrorists there either. Funding to terrorist groups from Iraq, sure that was really going to charities.

        Unbelievable that the press would even try pass the lie on , even to this day. I mean, even CNN reported the yellowcake from Iraq, of course no body told them until was safely delivered.

        Hang Tuff’

        Regards

        • kennyone

          I can’t argue with conspiracy theorists. I don’t have the patience.

          You’re right, of course. The entire history of the world is being rewritten by a vast left-wing conspiracy seeking to rob you of your guns, your taxes, your safety, and your peace of mind. Oh, and your religion, too.

          I am part of this conspiracy. Why? Because the ringleaders offered me cookies. I’m hoping to receive those in the next few years or so.

          Enjoy delusion, I hear it’s much happier than reality.

          • bs

            Now go away.

          • olsmithie

            All of these events were reported in the news at some point, not internet legends, as one person put it. Most had pictures, ie the planes for training hijackers and the containers of radioactive water.
            The yellowcake from Iraq story was widely reported after the material was safely in Canada.

            No offense, but I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or are just poorly informed.

            Maybe when you’ve been here more than one day eleven hours you will figure out who deals in facts and who blows smoke.

            If you want to build some credibility here you may want to do fact checking before spouting off.
            Free tip-take it or leave it.

            Oh, and welcome, hope you hang around.

            Regards

  • 6eorge Jetson

    Iraq, if the surge success is carried through, will be a self-sustaining drain on the jihad movement for years to come.

    Of course, the liberals’ anger-clouded brains can’t see that.
    (Apostrophe intentionally placed after the s in liberals)