Via Tim Blair comes this gem (h/t Skanderbeg):
One of the world’s greatest minds comes up with one of the world’s greatest ideas:
Steven Chu, the Nobel prize-winning physicist appointed by US President Barack Obama as Energy Secretary, wants to paint the world white.
A global initiative to change the colour of roofs, roads and pavements so that they reflect more of the Sun’s light and heat could play a big part in containing global warming, he said yesterday.
It would be interesting to get Chu’s estimate on the percentage of the earth’s surface that is covered by roofs, roads and pavements.
As Erick posted on Twitter, “When all it takes to solve global warming is painting my roof white, global warming isn’t a serious problem.”
I have to echo that statement, with the simple addition that, if Chu is serious in his suggestion, then the people who promote AGW as an issue are, quite simply, fundamentally unserious.
To Blair’s last sentence, I can only add this: Guess what already reflects sunlight better than white paint?
Water, snow, and ice.
I wonder what the ratio is of the water-covered portions of planet Earth to the pavement-and-roof-covered portions of planet Earth. Certainly Nobel Prize-winning physicist Steven Chu has a formula to figure that little problem out, doesn’t he?

Painting the town
Streiff Wednesday, May 27th at 7:00PM EDT (link)certainly takes on a whole new meaning with this guy.
How about tinfoil hats? They would reflect a lot of sunlight, too.
“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”
White makes sense
LJ "Beaglescout" Miller Wednesday, May 27th at 8:06PM EDT (link)I have long thought that if warming or A/C usage is the problem, then the black tar roof of a house should be white. Same with the unbearably black tar asphalt parking lot, street, and so on. And it turns out that many, if not all recently developed subdivisions have compacts that prevent people from putting up a white or light colored roof.
Down here in South Mississippi I’ve often thought of painting my roof white. Anything to cut the A/C bill would be a help in our summers. But it’s not easy to find a paint that will work on a normal roof, and stand up to occasional hurricanes.
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You are right, Beagle.
Flagstaff Thursday, May 28th at 3:01AM EDT (link)This proposal has been around in the Southwest for years. It’s a good idea, in fact.
I’d guess that over half of the cars in Arizona are white, and plenty more are another light color. The roofs and parking lots should also be a light color, and some new ones are. There is even a “white” road asphalt available, I believe, although I don’t remember ever seeing it in use.
Just because it sounds nutty doesn’t mean that it is. And Chu acknowledged that it was only part of the answer to his problem. He may not be a serious Sec. of Energy, but this isn’t proof of it.
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What about cold climates?
Common_Cents Thursday, May 28th at 12:24PM EDT (link)Chu is supposed to be sec of ENERGY, not sec of global warming!
Heating dominant climates should have dark roofs. Only in cooling dominant hot climates should have light colored roofs.
“Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake.” Napoleon - Well, unless he is ruining your country! Common Cents
A cult of personality arises when a country’s leader uses mass media to create a heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.[1] Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships.
Not really, C_C.
Achance Thursday, May 28th at 12:42PM EDT (link)In a cold climate the roof should really just be a weather sheild and provide for very good ventilation. Cold climate architecture emphasizes a very well insulated envelope that limits all transfer of energy through that envelope. Your big hassle in really cold climates is getting moisture out. With 70F inside and -30F outside, water vapor can migrate right through a 6 mil plastic vapor barrier and migrates and freeze all around light fixtures and other penetrations in the envelope. A roof has to be ventilated well enough to get as much as is possible of that water vapor barrier out to the atmosphere rather than have it freeze on the interior roof surfaces. If you get much of that,the next time it warms up, it starts raining from your light fixtures.
In high latitude cold climates there is so little solar radiation available in winter that there is essentially no gain available and no net gain through a full day cycle. In lower latitudes but at high altitude, there can be good solar gain when it is cold, but I think it is best to just make a very secure envelope that doesn’t allow excessive energy transfer to or from the outside environment.
In Vino Veritas
Chu should be talking about this stuff
Common_Cents Thursday, May 28th at 7:23PM EDT (link)instead of global warming.
You’d think SEC of ENERGY would have his hands full addressing ENERGY issues, like efficiency, conservation, production, indpendence etc…. not talking about global warming.
“Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake.” Napoleon - Well, unless he is ruining your country! Common Cents
A cult of personality arises when a country’s leader uses mass media to create a heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.[1] Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships.
I agree with Achance.
Flagstaff Thursday, May 28th at 8:57PM EDT (link)He explained it very well. I live in one of those lower latitude/high altitude places. It is appropriate for solar-electric and solar-convective heating, even wind turbine electric, but direct solar-roof heating isn’t practical. (^:^)
The white roof idea may arguably be effective in saving air-conditioning costs in places like Phoenix. As you say, that’s an ENERGY issue, not a global warming issue. And I thought that it was now called “climate change,” anyway.
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Clouds are white, too....
furious Wednesday, May 27th at 7:18PM EDT (link)…although covering roads, rooves (roofs?) and pavements in mirrors might work even better. Except for Birds, Pilots, Hot Air Balloonists and Shuttle Astronauts on the dayside.
Mirrors and fully-inflated tires — the Saudis can EAT their oil. HA!
Plus, somebody (Big White Paint) will make a buck off of it, just like the Ethanol Lobby.
–furious
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Big White Paint
Jeff Emanuel Wednesday, May 27th at 9:26PM EDT (link)I love it!
JE
BWP
Jeff Emanuel Wednesday, May 27th at 9:27PM EDT (link)http://twitter.com/jeffemanuel/statuses/1942004919
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Quick! Everyone go buy a white SUV!
JustLeaveMeAlone Wednesday, May 27th at 7:20PM EDT (link)The bigger the vehicle, the larger the white surface…. you do the math!
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I LOVE it!
David Hinz Wednesday, May 27th at 7:24PM EDT (link)buy two…
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bleach out your Bolder hat and overcoats...
JLenardDetroit Wednesday, May 27th at 7:27PM EDT (link)…. save the environment… help an environmentalist to STOP BREATHING
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JL whats a bolder hat? and Does silver count? oh wait a minute, its close duh?
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 7:40PM EDT (link)and I am considered an authority in optics and lasers… Shhh, do not tell the DoD but I do not know what I am talking about, and they pay me very well. shhh its our secret.
Anyway, what is a bolder hat? do you mean bowler hat?
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um....... yep......
JLenardDetroit Wednesday, May 27th at 8:04PM EDT (link)either way, I screwed it up: Boulder hat or Bowler hat but yes, I was going for the Old Brown Derby
you would have inherited from the first Great Depression era (since we’re on our way to the ObamaDepression)….
is this one yours?
Sorry, that was uncalled for… I’m the one that screwed up the joke the first time around - but I saw that one an ROTFLMAO and had to bring it into the conversation somehow…. take a look at those other colors…. WOW!
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Heh, that's the one the wife got me for the anniversary...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 8:24PM EDT (link)how did you get a picture of it. Of course it is fitting for the O generation depression. FAB-U-LOUS.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Already have a white SUV, do I get a tax break or something?? nt
olsmithie Wednesday, May 27th at 7:54PM EDT (link)no, they will back tax you when it becomes global cooling-nt
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 7:56PM EDT (link)“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
No doubt! nt
olsmithie Wednesday, May 27th at 8:38PM EDT (link)We could get the Rolling Stones
Streiff Wednesday, May 27th at 7:24PM EDT (link)to re-record “Paint it White”
“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”
Not to inerject seriousness
Neil Stevens Wednesday, May 27th at 7:25PM EDT (link)But has anyone calcluated the surface area of the surfaces he wants painted, and what percentage of the Earth’s surface that makes?
Has he?
This isn’t even science.
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There Is No Crisis
And further
Neil Stevens Wednesday, May 27th at 7:26PM EDT (link)If we’re undergoing a greenhouse effect, what good will it do? It’ll send more heat into the atmosphere instead of letting it get absorbed by buildings.
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There Is No Crisis
The heat won't go into the atmosphere.
abbynormal Wednesday, May 27th at 10:41PM EDT (link)According to Chu, the reflected heat will somehow penetrate our atmosphere and be expelled directly into space.
“Therefore, we must control men in order to force them to be free.”
Professor Pritchett
Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged
Well if Chu said...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 11:10PM EDT (link)heat is expelled into space, he doesn’t deserve a Nobel Prize. The visible light is reflected into space. White roof means no visible light is absorped; therefore, there is no conversion of the absorbed light into thermal energy which is either reradiated in the thermal light spectrum or transferred through kinetic processes into the atmosphere (e.g. shimmer, wavy lines coming off of the asphault).
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
He seems to be a bit confused.
davo119 Thursday, May 28th at 3:19AM EDT (link)The whole concept of “Greenhouse Gas” is that the reflected heat is contained as in GREENHOUSE.
BTW I like the tinfoil hat idea. Or even better an Orgone accumulator.
http://inventors.about.com/od/qrstartinventors/a/orgone.htm
Never give in! Never! Never! Never!
Well, space is black. So it absorbs, right? nt
molybdanthan Thursday, May 28th at 3:25AM EDT (link)I wasn't going to comment tonight...
DONTREADONME Thursday, May 28th at 8:09PM EDT (link)but the above comment is very funny.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
The good is done
Flagstaff Thursday, May 28th at 3:11AM EDT (link)when the house that is being cooled by air conditioning absorbs less heat through its roof surface. Less energy is then used to keep the house cool. The original suggestion, made years ago, was that it was a way to cut down on the electric bill in areas like Phoenix. It could make some noticeable improvements in some bills, even if overall it probably has an imperceptible effect on global warming.
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Yes
pliny Wednesday, May 27th at 7:56PM EDT (link)There’s a series of papers. This one is typical. The benefit won’t solve the problem, but it isn’t nothing. From their abstract:
And yes, the reflected heat does mostly escape to space. It’s at light frequencies, not IR.
I am sorry, but your last sentence is crap to some extent...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 8:00PM EDT (link)visible light wavelengths are reflected by the color white, and no visible light is not heat, only the absorption of visible light which converts to heat or vibration/rotation of the molecules of which much is reradiated in the form of thermal light which exists in the range of 3-12 microns.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Reflections
pliny Wednesday, May 27th at 8:47PM EDT (link)Reflected light (or any radiation) is not converted in frequency. It is reflected at the frequency it arrived. There may be selection (which makes things look colored) but no conversion (excpet for fluorescence).
EM radiation at all wavelengths can be converted to heat, and as this spectrum shows, solar energy peaks in the visible range. The spectrum also shows that in this range, and in the near IR, where most of the remaining energy is conveyed. there is little absorption.
But you knew that. Since the light is reflected at the same frequency, if it can get in, it can get out.
First, the Sun is a Blackbody Radiator...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 9:06PM EDT (link)no need to school me on anything dealing with the EM spectrum. Second, if I integrate the amount of light outside of the visible spectrum I will have much more integrated flux then in the 400-750 nm region. Plus as you would know that photons as they increase in frequency also increase in energy therefore as wavelength is decreased (frequency increase) the energy increases by the same factor. That is E=hv so if frequency is double 2E=h(2v). Thermal light which we see in those pesky cameras you see on TV is radiation caused by the thermal temperature of the body times a factor called emissivity. As you must know thermal light is much less energetic than the visible light wavelengths; therefore visible light must be absorbed then a body must reradiate the light out to return back to ground state. Now if you have free molecules and atoms in the atmosphere they are free to engage in kinetic collisions which allow some of the excess thermal energy to be transferred between molecules.
BTW, see the following link and scroll down to the personnel involved the engineer listed in it is me, if you have any doubts about my understanding of the science.
https://www.neco.navy.mil/synopsis_file/M6785409I1042OID_Industry_Day_PPT_Brief_-_2_Feb_2009.ppt
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Light and heat
pliny Wednesday, May 27th at 9:30PM EDT (link)In a way this is a sidetrack. I mentioned light to contrast with the fraction of energy that is absorbed, and emitted as thermal IR, which is absorbed. The component of heat which is in the near IR, which is large, also escapes largely unabsorbed, as the red stuff on that spectrum shows.
Again, as I said, the bottom line is, if it gets to the surface, it can get out again, whether it is light or near IR.
I guess I am trying to teach you and wondering...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 9:46PM EDT (link)what side of the global warming side you fall on. I guess my text did not come off correctly in the get go.
IR is not just the near IR or the MWIR, MIR, or SWIR, or LWIR of the Far IR, it includes all frequencies up to the THz band of wavelengths. Molecules especially atmospheric molecules absorb all types of EM radiation including the UV which causes dissociation of molecules. The wavelengths of the MWIR and LWIR are readily absorbed by molecules in the air though that transmit some wavelengths better than others, we call these atmospheric windows and you will notice there are alot of windows throughout the entire spectrum.
Anyway, all I was getting in my original statement was that visible light 400-750nm needs to be absorbed my a material to convert to heat or thermal light, if we reflect light. Same goes for UV, IR, microwave, THz etc.
There are so many complex mechnism going on througout the atmosphere turbulence, surface coverage of ice snow, cloud cover, aerosols, volcanic activity, that and not to mention the complexity of light absorption reflection etc. makes the simplistic assumption of the energy secretary preposterous. Sorry, just got done doing a two mile run. Brain and fingers not working 100% now.
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Strange that I find myself agreeing with you.
Flagstaff Thursday, May 28th at 3:29AM EDT (link)Long time no read.
A distinction between reflected radiation and absorbed radiation is important. The point of the white paint is to reflect more of the light, before it’s absorbed.
Once any of the light frequencies is absorbed, it’s converted into heat energy, which may be re-radiated off the roof, for instance, or conducted/radiated through a poorly insulated attic into the living area of the building, which then requires air conditioning energy to move back to the outside air, along with the additional heat created by the air conditioner. It’s better to just reflect it in the first place.
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Agree
pliny Thursday, May 28th at 7:23AM EDT (link)Yes, I’ve been quiet lately. But I wanted to come in on this one, because I think albedo enhancement is the best of the geoengineering ideas, and the most sensible. As you say, it benefits building occupants. The paper I cited focussed on the benefits to the cities, in UHI reduction. There’s a small but significant cooling for the planet. And the costs are manageable.
There is, of course, scope for more ambitious albedo modification schemes outside urban areas to achieve global cooling.
Albedo modification.
Flagstaff Thursday, May 28th at 9:04PM EDT (link)Does that have anything to do with enhancements to Johnny Winter, or with toning down one’s sex drive?
I think the nuttiest thing that Chu suggested was that roofs should be painted white after the fact. The suggestion has always been to install white roofs as part of new or replacement construction.
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Yeah, most white paint doesn't convert other wavelengths to visible
Neil Stevens Wednesday, May 27th at 8:27PM EDT (link)Go ahead, get an IR flashlight and try for yourself.
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Isn't the artctic covered in white...?
NeoKong Wednesday, May 27th at 7:25PM EDT (link)That doesn’t seem to stop Chu from claiming it is melting.How did it get so warm there?
What Chu said is ridiculous but it is a fact that many commercial buildings lower their cooling costs by painting their roofs white.They use special paint.It is not just white house paint.Cooling a large building is more costly than heating it.
It is called an elastomeric roof coating.
The opinion of a wise whitino male.
can we make clothes
Streiff Wednesday, May 27th at 7:27PM EDT (link)out of the same stuff?
“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”
More importantly, can Coors start bottling...
furious Wednesday, May 27th at 7:33PM EDT (link)…their Rocky Mtn. goodness in the same stuff?
–furious
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” — Darth Vader
Why not?
NeoKong Wednesday, May 27th at 7:33PM EDT (link)It would be cool.
The opinion of a wise whitino male.
The Arctic isn't really all that white.
Achance Wednesday, May 27th at 8:43PM EDT (link)It gets dirty up here. Much of what you’re hearing about ice cap melting is because of Chinese and Russian soot and filth settling on the ice cap and melting it.
If you’ve never seen it, you have no idea how powerful the heat absorbed by a single grain of road sand is. You wouldn’t believe the patterns you get in the snow berms beside the roat caused by the Sun heating the sand and gravel thrown up on the snow and melting the snow beneath the grain of sand or the pebble. Make something dirty, it absorbs light and turns that absorbed light into heat. A century or more ago the whalers and Arctic explorers trapped in the ice would paint the ice with bunker oil and the heat produced by absorbtion would soften the ice enough for them to work their way through it.
It isn’t a solution for the problem that doesn’t really exist anyway, but there is some sound physics in keeping to light colors.
In Vino Veritas
how do we know you are telling us the truth?
David Hinz Wednesday, May 27th at 8:49PM EDT (link)why should we believe you just because you say so… and you live there?
sorry, Art…
…hard to turn it off from the weekend.
/snark
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I'm trying to stick to relatively unpolitical stuff.
Achance Wednesday, May 27th at 9:00PM EDT (link)You ought to see the berms beside the road here in the early spring. Snow is only white for maybe 24 hours and then it gets browner and browner and sometimes even black. You guys in the Lower 48 don’t get snow that doesn’t melt in a few days. Some years the snow we get in October melts in April. Anyway, the dirty snow melts first and if you want snow to melt, you make it dirty.
Yeah, this weekend was interesting; you gotta love true believers.
Now, back to writing the transition report that I’m avoiding by being on here!
In Vino Veritas
I did not know about the soot...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 8:55PM EDT (link)Listen, I haven’t told anyone around here but thermal light has been something I have been doing for the last couple years with thermal sensors for that branch of the executive branch we all love. The soot in the air is surprisingly a great reflector and scatterer of light but when it forms on a surface well it can absorb, chemically react or mix with the ice in a chemical reaction to decrease the freezing point of water. That said, UV and most of the visible is absorbed by the black soot and the thermal radiation is reradiated into the ice and soil, enough of it can increase the ground temperature as you stated. In the air the soot absorbs and emits the radiation into the atmosphere and into space. They become basically blackbody radiators (well not perfect) like you said about the tree trunk; however, they absorb and emit thermal radiation quite readily as can be seen by the ambient temperature of trees in the day versus as soon as it gets dark.
If you ever have a chance to use some of the most intense thermal sensors in the world and do it on a regular basis the world seem completely different in the thermal spectrum. Also, if you look into the sky with a SWIR band camera you will see these clouds that you would never see with the naked eye. The world is quite interesting in all of the other bands of the emag spectrum.
and on to your last point, I agree we are discussing something that does not exist, but darn it, it is sure fun.
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How much greenhouse gas is created by the production of paint? -nt-
bs Wednesday, May 27th at 7:29PM EDT (link)Decorum is fo’ suckas
And what if Halliburton cornered the market...
furious Wednesday, May 27th at 7:35PM EDT (link)…on White Paint?
–furious
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” — Darth Vader
If I may re: paint
Jack_Savage Wednesday, May 27th at 7:41PM EDT (link)The production of paint causes some effects, but the real issue is the *application* of paint products. When paint is applied, volatile organic compounds (VOC’s) are released into the atmosphere as the paint cures. I would venture to say that the effect on greenhouse gases is minimal, but there are indeed effects on human health. Most commercial paint applicators have restrictions when it comes to how much paint they can apply in a 24 hour period.
The release of VOC’s into the atmosphere when paint is applied on this level would be unprecedented, as would the health effects most likely. I have been in factories where paint was being applied, and it is impossible to stay in the area for long. Mr. Chu could find this information on the EPA’s website if he would look.
Plus, where will all the runoff go from all those...
furious Wednesday, May 27th at 7:55PM EDT (link)…rinsed-out brushes and rollers and flushed-out sprayers? And g-d forbid it’s oil-based paint. (Solvents!)
–furious
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If they give us all "FREE" Solar panels....
JLenardDetroit Wednesday, May 27th at 7:33PM EDT (link)we won’t have to pay to paint our roof…. and it would be FREE (in the Liberal mindset dumb enough to think that)
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Sorry JL, solar panels create global warming, they give off so...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 9:55PM EDT (link)much heat compared to the electrical conversion. yeah, I know they do not tell you these things because it is just the evil oil and coal companies that are destroying the planet. Not to mention the types semiconductors that make really efficient solar cells are made out of GaAs, Indium GaAs, Cadium Telluride CdTe did I mention that GaAs is toxic to the environment? Now I do not know enough about how efficient amorphous silicon is but it does make for a decent microbolometer.
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"Paint It White" is about Stimulus money and grants............... Really.
Kenny Solomon Wednesday, May 27th at 7:35PM EDT (link)Follow the money with 99.9% of things……..
Heard this on Rush’s show today………
Climate B$: Why the Energy Secretary Wants to Paint Your Roof White
“It turns out that three huge proponents of the idea to paint the town white are former colleagues of Secretary Chu from the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (LBNL) and they’re looking for their share of stimulus loot.”
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El Rusbo read it here……….
From an article by Greg Pollowitz at National Review Online…………….
The Science Behind White Roofs
“The Obama administration has made it clear that it wants a substantial portion of the stimulus package to go toward creating a greener economy, but that desire has to be balanced against the imperative to immediately circulate cash and create jobs. Painting or resurfacing roofs or pavement, Akbari said, would nicely fulfill both objectives.”
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…….and Mr. Pollowitz found the baseline here……….
Three California energy experts make a convincing — and sincere — case that painting roofs white in the hot parts of the planet could offset the greenhouse gas woes caused by the world’s cars
“An Iranian-born nuclear engineer who, for the last three decades, has worked as a scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Akbari would like to see $3 billion of the economic stimulus package directed toward painting white or a light color as many of the nation’s roofs, and as much of its pavement, as possible — all with the goal of directing more solar radiation into space.
Akbari, along with Surabi Menon, another LBNL scientist, and Arthur Rosenfeld, a former LBNL scientist and now a California Energy Commission board member, claim that painting urban surfaces in warm parts of the world white or a light color could offset the carbon emissions of all 600 million of the world’s cars for 18 to 20 years — at a savings equivalent to at least $1 trillion worth of CO2 reductions.”
2-page PDF:
http://www.loe.org/images/090213/White%20Roofs%20Cool%20the%20World.pdf
Interesting link:
Global cooling: increasing world-wide urban albedos to offset CO2
I say it’s an interesting link, because Hashem Akbari and Arthur Rosenfeld have their e-mail addresses listed in full view.
I wonder if anybody in the sane media reading this linkage line would care to drop them a note asking for an interview.
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I’d comment on this, but I’m too busy with applying for the new “green job” of the century……. Painter, Environmental, US Forest Service.
My individual application is for painting golf courses here in Florida……. all fairways, roughs, greens and trees are ordered to now be painted white.
What did you say?…………….. Golf balls are white.
Wow, you’re right.
Help me Algore. You’re my only hope. The Empire is about to invade and Obi is nowhere to be found.
Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.
Golf
Skanderbeg Wednesday, May 27th at 7:39PM EDT (link)Actually, a white golf course is no problem.
There’s a golf tournament held up here during one of the winter carnivals - they use orange golf balls.
Problem solved….
Here in Alaska too. Orange balls are cool! nt
Achance Wednesday, May 27th at 7:55PM EDT (link)In Vino Veritas
"Pfffffft" to the both of you !!!!! <;-)
Kenny Solomon Wednesday, May 27th at 8:00PM EDT (link)I bust my hump making sure all those links work.
I come up with a semi-brilliant, yet snarkified conclusion.
Then add on my own pathos for a good laugh.
Spell check the whole thing.
……..and you two hit back with logic.
God, I love this place !
Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.
must...not...post...response.... ;-) -nt-
bs Wednesday, May 27th at 9:43PM EDT (link)Decorum is fo’ suckas
I left you the opening. nt
Achance Wednesday, May 27th at 9:48PM EDT (link)In Vino Veritas
True Ignorance
ClassicConservative Wednesday, May 27th at 7:42PM EDT (link)Jeff,
Either you are being ignorant or intellectually dishonest. You clarify. For about 3 months of my life I did energy audits. Anyone who knows anything about saving money on HVAC and energy usage knows that a white roof significantly lowers cooling coss because it reflects much of the sun (and much of its heat).
This not only saves the business money, but it also has a return of investment of one year (depending on the size of the roof and how many stories the building).
Are you anti-business by wanting them to pay more for cooling costs?
Ignorance.
truely ignorant...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 7:50PM EDT (link)I seriously hope you are not serious, there is a flip side of your argument, what do we do about heating the home, now be careful here with your response because this is not a trick question. Plus I want to find out how much you know about thermal radiation.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Come on classicconservative
Jack_Savage Wednesday, May 27th at 8:24PM EDT (link)I am waiting on this one….
G'bye
Neil Stevens Wednesday, May 27th at 11:54PM EDT (link)Just skimmed your posting history.
You defend Robert C. Byrd, you routinely attack us as intellectually dishonest, and you pinged the moby sensors in the past.
As the saying goes, be respectful or be banned.
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There Is No Crisis
For such a smart person he should have polished aluminum put on roofs...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 7:42PM EDT (link)you can reflect so much light with a polished aluminum and that includes thermal wavelengths as well. Oh wait, then the chinese could not spy on us or planes fly or satellite imagery would be horribly saturated.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Kowalski, look I have an idea that includes recycling...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 7:43PM EDT (link)I guess I am smarter than, Mr. Smart Energy Secretary.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Hey,
BlueLandRed Wednesday, May 27th at 8:13PM EDT (link)with a polished Aluminum roof, I could probably be talked into taking off my tin foil hat from time to time.
5!
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 8:21PM EDT (link)Now that is funny, I forgot that I can stop the brainwave sucking technology of the Bush Administration that is now being operated by the 0-Files.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Just what I need...
nessa Wednesday, May 27th at 8:32PM EDT (link)I go broke buying polished aluminum parts for my bike and they’re considerably smaller than my roof! This could be good news for Arlen Ness, OCC and the Harley Davidson after market parts business!! Anyone interested in a slightly used footpeg hammered into the shape of a shingle? Only $750 with the HD logo still legible! I also have Screaming Eagle shingles, modesty doesn’t allow me to post the price, please call for details!
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5!
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 8:44PM EDT (link)that’s funny!
this whole board has been by far my favorite subject of the night.:}
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Indeed, do the math
JackFlackett Wednesday, May 27th at 7:49PM EDT (link)[Jack was supposed to be banned for trolling back in October. Apologies for the inconvenience. – NS]
Wow, you came here to say that and obviously you...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 7:52PM EDT (link)have no idea what you are talking about. Trust me, do not argue with me on this one. Don’t do it.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
I see Moe already got you
Neil Stevens Wednesday, May 27th at 7:55PM EDT (link)But funny how that works.
When somebody who’s not a Government-certified Climatologist says global warming theory has holes, you fascists come out screaming that the Leaders have spoken, and we must be quiet and obey.
But when you find a physicist that agrees with you, suddenly that appeal to authority matters.
Freaking fascists.
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I was going...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 8:09PM EDT (link)to nail him on the fact that visible light is reflected by white (which is a perceived concept of the human eye) and by water, ice and snow; however, visible light is not heat, only by absorption of visible light by molecules which translates into rotational/vibrational molecular states. So free molecules in the air with rotational/vibrational states are then free to transfer energy through kinetic collisions or radiative decay which results in thermal light of the wavelengths between 2 (HF)-13 microns. Interestingly, the human body is quite the light source in the 8-12 micron range, and yes there are two types of heating radiative and non-radiative.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
I think he's not going to reply to you.
itrytobenice Wednesday, May 27th at 10:02PM EDT (link)I may be wrong, they sometimes seem suicidal in their own little ways, but I have a feeling that he may have just realized that his alligator mouth overloaded his hummingbird @$$.
The problem with America is stupidity. I’m not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don’t we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Neil, he's not gone, yet...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 8:12PM EDT (link)he is working to figure out what the heck I am talking about below. Then again I do not know what I am talking about, I know nothing.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Argument? There really is none.
JackFlackett Wednesday, May 27th at 8:19PM EDT (link)[Disregard]
To JackFlackett, and Neil can answer for himself...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 8:39PM EDT (link)If you didn’t understand what I just wrote, then you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, To a person who specializes in optical physics, and yes that includes light, you made a very uninformed statement. Your understanding of the complex system that is the atmosphere, water, ice and land and its interaction with photons is at the level of high school. What I attempted to do for you was tell you how your argument was very small and not very thought out. That is all sorry about your tail feathers there, sport.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Here Skippy, I mean Jack, read this
ocleverone Wednesday, May 27th at 10:06PM EDT (link)http://www.climatechangefacts.info/ClimateChangeDocuments/NilsAxelMornerinterview.pdf
One must wonder about GIGO modeling versus actual observations.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
excellent find ocleverone...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 10:19PM EDT (link)that article has some compelling arguments that actually make sense. Why? because I guarantee you he is unable to get grants for his research, no money in being a so-called “global warming doubters”
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
I have been trying to find a study conducted by Harvard in 2002 that stated that the temperature during the Middle Ages was significantly higher than today.
ocleverone Thursday, May 28th at 12:02AM EDT (link)I think that is was done around 2002 but for the life of me, I can no longer find it on the web.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
ocleverone, i didn't find the actual study
TNJim Thursday, May 28th at 3:45AM EDT (link)but I did find an article from the UK Telegraph that talks about it.
Here ya go:
“The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University, examined the findings of studies of so-called “temperature proxies” such as tree rings, ice cores and historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures prevailing at sites around the world.
The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than today.”
Sorry, couldn’t find the actual study. Maybe Al Gore paid them to remove it.
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Kowalski: I did find an article
TNJim Thursday, May 28th at 4:31AM EDT (link)that discusses the firestorm the study ignited. Here ya go. The title of the paper is in there. Maybe if you copy/paste it into a search engine you might find a pdf or something. It’s too late in the evening for me to do it. I’ve already had to correct too many typos in this reply!
(Yawn) G’night.
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Ok, maybe one more.
TNJim Thursday, May 28th at 4:47AM EDT (link)This one discusses the now infamous “hockey stick” which ia “…a remarkable graph that has become a poster child for the environmental movement. Published by M. Mann and colleagues in 1998 and 1999, the plot showed that the climate of the Northern Hemisphere had been remarkably constant for 900 years until it suddenly began to heat up about 100 years ago-right about the time that human use of fossil fuels began to push up levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide. The overall shape of the curve resembled a hockey stick laying on its back-a straight part with a sudden bend upwards near the end.
The hockey stick was turned from a scientific plot into the most widely reproduced picture of the global warming discussion.”
Hope these get you off in the right direction.
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Thanks Jim! Zactly what I was looking for.
ocleverone Thursday, May 28th at 5:46PM EDT (link)Nice find.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Actually, Jeff, white really works.
Achance Wednesday, May 27th at 8:05PM EDT (link)I took a bunch of State and federal money back in the day doing energy audits and such and the physics is pretty elementary. I can still do that A X u X delta T X Time calc with a four function calculator.
If you live in a low lattitude warm climate, you really want a light colored house with a light colored roof. If you’ve ever flown in a light plane over rural areas, you’ll be cruising along at say a thousand feet over fields and forrests and then fly over a road and get bounced fifty or a hundred feet up from the heat convection off the hot asphalt. Flying over a road or even a railroad track is like hitting a speed bump.
I always get a kick out of visiting my old buddies back in the land of moonlight and magnolias. Their dream is to buy an old cotton field and build a red brick Georgian mansion with a black fake slate roof right in the middle of that old, treeless cotton field. For Christ’s sakes, they just built a solar collector and they wonder why they’re giving have their monthly earnings to the power company for summer air conditioning.
You don’t have to go greenie/whacko about this; some stuff just makes sense. Even in this climate, I have a white house and a light gray roof. In summer when the sun is out and bright, I don’t need the head absorbed by dark colors or the damage that heat causes. In winter, there’s not enough sun to make any difference, so the color doesn’t matter.
In Vino Veritas
I have been trying to talk my wife into a white roof
LJ "Beaglescout" Miller Wednesday, May 27th at 8:13PM EDT (link)She’ll have none of it. Doesn’t care if we can keep the house cooler or save money. It’s against our neighborhood covenant you see.
“Each of us has a natural right, from God, to defend his person, his liberty, and his property.”
its after memorial day and before labor day so its...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 8:19PM EDT (link)fashionable to have a white roof.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Doesn't have to be white.
Achance Wednesday, May 27th at 8:34PM EDT (link)Nothing darker than the most common trees is a good rule. Black really is simply a solar collector even here at 58 degrees North.
In Vino Veritas
My goal is not to match the albedo of the forest
LJ "Beaglescout" Miller Thursday, May 28th at 12:09PM EDT (link)My goal is to cut my electric bill down to a manageable level.
“Each of us has a natural right, from God, to defend his person, his liberty, and his property.”
properly inflated tires does help save gas too....
JLenardDetroit Wednesday, May 27th at 8:16PM EDT (link)just doesn’t mean we aren’t going to make fun of them saying it as if those actions are really amounting to saving the entire planet….. Highly concentrated Urban areas could benefit just for the point of keeping the BAKE effect down in Summer of/to its residents.
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Yes, Achance...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 8:18PM EDT (link)you are correct in your assessment; however, in the mid-atlantic states where the seasons are quite volatile, a shingled roof with insulation provides a better method of temperature control. The white roof in this area will keep the home cooler in the winter but noticeably colder in the winter. You could cool the home even further with an aluminum roof polished, but in the winter the aluminum is a good heat sink which will draw the non-radiative thermal energy from in the home to the outside. I can see why in Alaska or upper latitudes it does not really make sense, but then again it is really white up there in the early spring and fall which does more reflecting that a home up there would.
Of course, excellent insulation and a low number of windows (or triple pane with low pressure gaps) will do much better for maintaining temperatures in a home. Then again, I am not the secretary of energy with a Nobel prize or something like that.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
The math is pretty simple.
Achance Wednesday, May 27th at 10:24PM EDT (link)Through the peak solar hours, say 9 - 3 solar time, the sun is going to put somewhere between 450 and 700 btu/ sq. ft on your roof and walls. You can either absorb the light and turn it into heat which must be ventilated or conditioned or you can reflect it. I think the envelope of the house should reflect it because it isn’t needed in the summer and is too hard to move to where you want it in the winter, assuming the same radiation is available in winter.
The best houses here are completely insulated envelopes that might have some passive solar components that can be isolated. The standard for newer run of the mill houses is R-19 walls, R-38 ceilings, and at least double pane glass. Most cities have integrated R values for walls and windows, so if you want more window, it has to be triple pane. Further north, air to air heat exchangers for all the air exchange are pretty common. If the house is on posts, common in permafrost areas, the floor is also R-38 with a utility chase down the center.
Here in Southeast, you can get by with more standard 2×4 walls and R-11 insulation but most people have R-30 or 38 ceiling insulation. The newer houses mostly have R-19 walls and at least double pane, triple if large.
Back to my original example, that ego trip red brick georgian in the middle of the old cotton field is simply a solar collector and you have to pay for expensive electricity and natural gas to remove the heat that it absorbs. Why?
In Vino Veritas
R-19 Insulation in VA...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 10:59PM EDT (link)Achance, I notice they call you art around here, can I call you that? Anyway, if you need my attention just say JD, I will know who you’re talking about. Anyway, I am not disagreeing with you here, I just am a little short on my understanding of the BTU, spend all of my time in the Watts. Plus, I looked at my issues with my home and solved them differently and I probably went overboard in the process when I could have just hired someone to figure it out.
I never conducted the mathematical analysis through the use of BTU’s, again the last time I used BTU I was in second year of college, eventhough that is how my gas usuage is measured. My home here in VA is a townhome that is 4 levels with 2400 sq ft and sits among two homes on the right and left. The top two floors create a master bedroom with a loft w/ hottub, shower closet and walkin closet, and the front two bedrooms and another room filling out the top floor. I have no attic in my townhome and all cathedral ceilings master bed and lofts. The bottom floor sits below ground in the front and above ground in the rear and is quite insulated from the sunlight. So down there in the summer it stays a cool 65 degrees without AC.
The sun in the morning roasts the front of the house and moves to the rear by the end of the day which really heats up the home quicker due to bigger windows and 5 glass sliding doors. Now what I figured is during the summer I am acquiring way too much absorption of light through these windows so I installed better windows and replaced the large sliding glass doors with more efficient doors with multipane glass. I also added an attenuator to the windows to help reduce the amount of light that is transmitted through. Here is where the white comes into play, I placed up blinds that have a shiny surface on one side and a more diffuse pattern pattern on the reverse. I did this with all of the windows on the rear.
Next in an effort to balance the ductwork I placed obstructions in varying positions throughout the duckwork that can be turned to various positions depending on where the warm or cool air needs to be delivered. I also strategically placed fans in certain spots in the ductwork to boost the pressure in certain areas to force air to the top floors. These can be reversed in the winter to draw the warm air from the loft back to the basement. The returns are also adjusted to account fo the direction of flow and the season.
Now what I have noticed is that in the winter my gas bill was much higher that it was to cool the house in the summer. WTH, I have gas this should have been cheaper. I did all of this channeling of air throughout the home to make more use of electricity and less use of gas. That is why I designed this system with all of the air current adjustments. The roof of the home and the upstairs of the home really heat up quite substantially during the winter compared to the bottom floor which tends to get down to 55F. Moving the air from the upstairs through the ductwork forcing air with the fans increased my downstair temperature to 65F and decreased my upstairs temperature to 72F. Before I did this, in the winter upstairs would get up to 78F on a sunny day while the downstairs was 55F and the 1st floor kept trying to keep the temperature at 71F. Lastly, the blinds in the rear I replaced with dark ones in the winter which helps to heat the rear of the house during the day. I figured this year I saved about $100 a month on gas and only increased my budgeted electric bill by about $10. That is what I was getting at with my whole discussion on this topic.
I probably went overboard, but when I show people the house they are impressed, eventhough I probably did not have to do that much.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Maybe we should go with more of a beige
Return to Revolution Wednesday, May 27th at 9:02PM EDT (link)We wouldn’t want to turn the Earth into a giant iceball would we? No, really.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceball_Earth
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Asphalt
DerKrieger Wednesday, May 27th at 9:04PM EDT (link)Years and years ago when Algore first started transforming into the global warming Chicken Little I wrote an tongue in cheek letter to the editor of my local paper joking that Algore’s next big complaint was going to be against asphalt road surfaces and parking lots because the black of the asphalt holds heat and thereby contributes to global warming. I was ahead of my time.
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White is not better than black, how dare you...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, May 27th at 10:11PM EDT (link)don’t you know we frown upon the insinuation that somehow black asphault is causing global warming. Don’t you know what you just said is like calling someone the dark horse or… wait a minute this is asphault after all.
Sorry about baiting everyone on the comment board tonight. :}
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
How about the moon?
jeepnpat1 Wednesday, May 27th at 11:27PM EDT (link)Perhaps the next opinion from these laureates will be to eliminate the moon. It does reflect the sun’s rays onto the earth, so that fits into their method of thinking, right? Will it be missed? Not if it is for the greater good. Calling Dr Evil!!!
It will be a cold day in Hades before I paint my roof white.
ocleverone Thursday, May 28th at 12:06AM EDT (link)My husband and I worked hard for over half of our lives for our house. We have paid for every black architectural shingle that is nailed to this massive carbon foot print - and we enjoy it every minute.
If the Greenies want me to paint my roof white, they can just back up their truck loaded with a bunch of money, buy my house and paint it any color they choose.
Until then, we bought it - we decide.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Albedo-schmalbedo
Vladimir Thursday, May 28th at 9:00AM EDT (link)Chu is an academic idiot, Nobel Prize notwithstanding.
He didn’t realize that part of his job is negotiating with OPEC.
He’s advocated for higher energy prices.
He’s already drunk the Global Warming kool-aid.
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