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		<title>By: IJB</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/rumblings-from-the-korean-peninsula/#comment-6075</link>
		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 02:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't see anyone, outside of possibly Iran, entering on North Korea's side, and I think even Iran would realize that it would be very losing proposition. I don't see it destabilizing Pakistan either. 

The (only?) major downside to attacking NK would be the collateral damage to SK and Japan. 

As for non-military action against NK, I think it is a total losing strategy (at least anything short of a physical blockade). Military action is the only thing that will bring the regime down - and it could probably be done short of (or as a precursor to) invading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see anyone, outside of possibly Iran, entering on North Korea&#8217;s side, and I think even Iran would realize that it would be very losing proposition. I don&#8217;t see it destabilizing Pakistan either. </p>
<p>The (only?) major downside to attacking NK would be the collateral damage to SK and Japan. </p>
<p>As for non-military action against NK, I think it is a total losing strategy (at least anything short of a physical blockade). Military action is the only thing that will bring the regime down - and it could probably be done short of (or as a precursor to) invading.</p>
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		<title>By: wesmorgan1</title>
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		<dc:creator>wesmorgan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...of whether a "starve 'em out" approach would do any good.  It's true that China's patronage of Pyongyang has been a longtime sticking point in effective sanctions/blockade, but do we to full-bore interdiction operations?  Put the financial squeeze back on their international banks?  Do everything short of lobbing mortars across the DMZ?

There are rumors that this activity is intended, in part, to anoint Kim's son as the third in their brand of dyanastic Communism.  One wonders whether the son is saner than the father...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;of whether a &#8220;starve &#8216;em out&#8221; approach would do any good.  It&#8217;s true that China&#8217;s patronage of Pyongyang has been a longtime sticking point in effective sanctions/blockade, but do we to full-bore interdiction operations?  Put the financial squeeze back on their international banks?  Do everything short of lobbing mortars across the DMZ?</p>
<p>There are rumors that this activity is intended, in part, to anoint Kim&#8217;s son as the third in their brand of dyanastic Communism.  One wonders whether the son is saner than the father&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/rumblings-from-the-korean-peninsula/#comment-6002</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I have read your comment from your link, which I have seemed to miss yesterday, then there really is nothing we can do.  Unfortunately, I know an attack from the US is not going to happen, but according to the argument you made against invasion is one that says the US is on the decline as a world power.  This situation will end very badly, regardless of what we do military strike or diplomacy.  If the axes line up according to your estimate the world is already heading towards a very destructive World War.  

My estimates of military technology says we are probably passing the cusp of our military superiority, it only goes down from here.  Yes, I know you are a former military (I think), but the entangling bureaucracy of the DoD is strangling any ability to ensure that future weapon systems will advance as quickly as they did in the past.  Once again, people are going to die eventually, and Iran will be joining the ranks of the Nuclear club within the next 6-12 months.  

We are going to have the chance to see diplomacy because Obama will not do anything militarily and we will have the chance to see how that works out.  I mean your take on this whole matter.  My opinion is therefore, worthless.  

One last thing, unless we can defend against nuclear warheads we pretty much have to hope that MAD works out just like it did for 50+ years.  BTW, my opinion, India will not stand for the nukes of Pakistan to fall into the hands of the Taliban, religious zealotry is dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I have read your comment from your link, which I have seemed to miss yesterday, then there really is nothing we can do.  Unfortunately, I know an attack from the US is not going to happen, but according to the argument you made against invasion is one that says the US is on the decline as a world power.  This situation will end very badly, regardless of what we do military strike or diplomacy.  If the axes line up according to your estimate the world is already heading towards a very destructive World War.  </p>
<p>My estimates of military technology says we are probably passing the cusp of our military superiority, it only goes down from here.  Yes, I know you are a former military (I think), but the entangling bureaucracy of the DoD is strangling any ability to ensure that future weapon systems will advance as quickly as they did in the past.  Once again, people are going to die eventually, and Iran will be joining the ranks of the Nuclear club within the next 6-12 months.  </p>
<p>We are going to have the chance to see diplomacy because Obama will not do anything militarily and we will have the chance to see how that works out.  I mean your take on this whole matter.  My opinion is therefore, worthless.  </p>
<p>One last thing, unless we can defend against nuclear warheads we pretty much have to hope that MAD works out just like it did for 50+ years.  BTW, my opinion, India will not stand for the nukes of Pakistan to fall into the hands of the Taliban, religious zealotry is dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Emanuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Emanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See above: &lt;a href="http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/rumblings-from-the-korean-peninsula/#comment-6000"&gt;http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/rumblings-from-the-korean-peninsula/#comment-6000&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See above: <a href="http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/rumblings-from-the-korean-peninsula/#comment-6000">http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/rumblings-from-the-korean-peninsula/#comment-6000</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Emanuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Emanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And attacking North Korea, regardless of its belligerence, would be a very bad move. Russia and China would likely square off against us, as would Iran, just to name a few. Russia and China are, of course, nuclear powers; if there were NATO action (the U.S.'s mandate in the ROK is under the UN, not NATO), GB would be on our side, but I can realistically see Pakistan's gov't being toppled and them entering on the DPRK coalition's side (call it the "Anti-US" side), and India on ours - both of those being nuclear powers.

Israel would be an immediate target, with Saudi, which would likely be on our side, almost certainly being the beginning of a moving front in the war that is surging toward N Africa.

You're talking about what will almost certainly be a literal World War -- the first one since the major nations of the world gained nuclear weapons.

The answer is to be tough with North Korea, offering no concessions and no aid without proof of compliance. Invading isn't a realistic (read: non-suicidal) option. Effective diplomacy and strong sanctions can work -- but there have to be repercussions against the line-crossers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And attacking North Korea, regardless of its belligerence, would be a very bad move. Russia and China would likely square off against us, as would Iran, just to name a few. Russia and China are, of course, nuclear powers; if there were NATO action (the U.S.&#8217;s mandate in the ROK is under the UN, not NATO), GB would be on our side, but I can realistically see Pakistan&#8217;s gov&#8217;t being toppled and them entering on the DPRK coalition&#8217;s side (call it the &#8220;Anti-US&#8221; side), and India on ours - both of those being nuclear powers.</p>
<p>Israel would be an immediate target, with Saudi, which would likely be on our side, almost certainly being the beginning of a moving front in the war that is surging toward N Africa.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re talking about what will almost certainly be a literal World War &#8212; the first one since the major nations of the world gained nuclear weapons.</p>
<p>The answer is to be tough with North Korea, offering no concessions and no aid without proof of compliance. Invading isn&#8217;t a realistic (read: non-suicidal) option. Effective diplomacy and strong sanctions can work &#8212; but there have to be repercussions against the line-crossers.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/rumblings-from-the-korean-peninsula/#comment-5999</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 19:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I dread the thought of war again, I do not see how this situation will ever be solved peacefully especially if the communist regime continues to remain in power.  The NoKos want SoKo, do not expect they want anything less, communist is a communist just as a tiger is a tiger.

Again, I pray I am really, really wrong on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I dread the thought of war again, I do not see how this situation will ever be solved peacefully especially if the communist regime continues to remain in power.  The NoKos want SoKo, do not expect they want anything less, communist is a communist just as a tiger is a tiger.</p>
<p>Again, I pray I am really, really wrong on this.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/rumblings-from-the-korean-peninsula/#comment-5998</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 19:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am now probably known around here as a warmonger, but the deaths caused by a war down the road with NoKo will be staggering.  It is my belief that at the present time NoKo does not have any nuclear weapons ready to be used against Seoul or the U.S. military stationed.  Remember, the U.S. was only able to produce three or four nuclear devices to the end of WWII.  Fat man and little boy were a Uranium based nuke and plutonium based nuke respectively.  The amount of time it took the US to acquire enough raw materials to produce the enriched Uranium and plutonium was quite long, well at least in the beginning of the development.  

I will once again state that when NoKo refuses to recognize the 1953 armistice, that is basically an act of war or war posturing.  If we do not deal with situation soon whether it is diplomatic or through a strike on NoKo, we will be dealing with many more deaths in the future.  BTW to all U.S. citizens and our military personnel I pray that this works out in a way to keep you safe.

Lastly, has anyone ever looked at the foot soldiers in the NoKo military?  They are guant and very skinning which shows a lack of proper nutrition.  These guys would not be able to fight for very long and do not be surprised if they give up quickly.  Anyway, this situation is very bad and I sincerely hope I am wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am now probably known around here as a warmonger, but the deaths caused by a war down the road with NoKo will be staggering.  It is my belief that at the present time NoKo does not have any nuclear weapons ready to be used against Seoul or the U.S. military stationed.  Remember, the U.S. was only able to produce three or four nuclear devices to the end of WWII.  Fat man and little boy were a Uranium based nuke and plutonium based nuke respectively.  The amount of time it took the US to acquire enough raw materials to produce the enriched Uranium and plutonium was quite long, well at least in the beginning of the development.  </p>
<p>I will once again state that when NoKo refuses to recognize the 1953 armistice, that is basically an act of war or war posturing.  If we do not deal with situation soon whether it is diplomatic or through a strike on NoKo, we will be dealing with many more deaths in the future.  BTW to all U.S. citizens and our military personnel I pray that this works out in a way to keep you safe.</p>
<p>Lastly, has anyone ever looked at the foot soldiers in the NoKo military?  They are guant and very skinning which shows a lack of proper nutrition.  These guys would not be able to fight for very long and do not be surprised if they give up quickly.  Anyway, this situation is very bad and I sincerely hope I am wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: dave_in_atl</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave_in_atl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is pretty much what I've been told by others with similar experiences.  I think your average expert will tell you any conflict is going to result in millions dead even if it stays conventional.  If it goes nuclear who knows what will happen.

I hope Russia and China decide its no longer in their benefit to support North Korea anymore even if it was a good attack dog against the U.S.  Then maybe we could resolve this whole problem with little to no violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pretty much what I&#8217;ve been told by others with similar experiences.  I think your average expert will tell you any conflict is going to result in millions dead even if it stays conventional.  If it goes nuclear who knows what will happen.</p>
<p>I hope Russia and China decide its no longer in their benefit to support North Korea anymore even if it was a good attack dog against the U.S.  Then maybe we could resolve this whole problem with little to no violence.</p>
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		<title>By: antisocial</title>
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		<dc:creator>antisocial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>take out all nuclear research/storage facilities.... provided we have the location info... and all deployment locations...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>take out all nuclear research/storage facilities&#8230;. provided we have the location info&#8230; and all deployment locations&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SIConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>SIConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm by no means an expert on military strategy, but I can offer my $.02 from having lived and worked in the Seoul metropolitan area for the last year and a half.  I'm just a school teacher, so take this for what it's worth...

Roughly half of the 50 million people who make up the South Korean population lives in the Seoul metro area.  The entire area - city and suburbs - is built up, not out, meaning that the death toll from a nuclear attack would be absolutely staggering.  A nuclear attack could easily kill upwards of 20 million people.  Given the ties between the people of North and South Korea, who consider themselves Korean, not North Korean or South Korean, it is difficult to say whether President Kim Jong Il could sustain his popularity with such an attack.  He has a remarkable propaganda program and his military, at least by appearances even on the ground, is solidly behind him.  He also commands full control of the media, meaning that such an attack would be his to spin.

A ground invasion could be his more favorable option.  Again, for what it's worth, South Korea knows of four invasion tunnels built from the North with the express purpose of preparation for an invasion of Seoul.  Some of these tunnels are well within 100 miles of Seoul, including one just 27 miles away.  One estimate I've heard is that the North may have built as many as 20 more that have not been discovered.  South Korea, meanwhile, has little more than a token military, and some estimate that Seoul would fall within a matter of hours.  With the reduction of US troops here during the Bush administration, a change which was supported by many South Koreans, some estimates suggest that the North would have control over the peninsula within as little as three days.

One other thing to consider, again, however relevant you think it may be (it's incredibly important to me), is that there are tens of thousands of US civilians scattered throughout the country, and an evacuation could be especially complicated given the delicate nature of the situation.  An evacuation of US citizens could be seen as the last move before war and be the trip wire that leads to an attack, either ground or nuclear.

All of this is, of course, in the context that we are dealing with an actor who, at least in my view, is not rational.  During the Cold War, leaders of both the United States and the Soviet Union worked to avoid conflict, especially direct conflict between nuclear powers and refrained from using nuclear weapons out of concern for the devastating impact that their use would have had on both countries.  In the case of the North Korean President, though, I don't think it is safe to say the same.  I hope I am wrong.

In short, I'm not against military action per se, but in considering it, the President and the rest of the administration must carefully consider the best course of action given the complications presented by the situation.  If - and that is a big if - military conflict can be avoided, it must be, as quite literally tens of millions of Korean lives and tens of thousands of American lives could be wiped out in a matter of minutes.  Iraq could easily be made to look like Grenada.  If it must be undertaken, plans must be in place to prevent as much of the sure to be devastating loss of life as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m by no means an expert on military strategy, but I can offer my $.02 from having lived and worked in the Seoul metropolitan area for the last year and a half.  I&#8217;m just a school teacher, so take this for what it&#8217;s worth&#8230;</p>
<p>Roughly half of the 50 million people who make up the South Korean population lives in the Seoul metro area.  The entire area - city and suburbs - is built up, not out, meaning that the death toll from a nuclear attack would be absolutely staggering.  A nuclear attack could easily kill upwards of 20 million people.  Given the ties between the people of North and South Korea, who consider themselves Korean, not North Korean or South Korean, it is difficult to say whether President Kim Jong Il could sustain his popularity with such an attack.  He has a remarkable propaganda program and his military, at least by appearances even on the ground, is solidly behind him.  He also commands full control of the media, meaning that such an attack would be his to spin.</p>
<p>A ground invasion could be his more favorable option.  Again, for what it&#8217;s worth, South Korea knows of four invasion tunnels built from the North with the express purpose of preparation for an invasion of Seoul.  Some of these tunnels are well within 100 miles of Seoul, including one just 27 miles away.  One estimate I&#8217;ve heard is that the North may have built as many as 20 more that have not been discovered.  South Korea, meanwhile, has little more than a token military, and some estimate that Seoul would fall within a matter of hours.  With the reduction of US troops here during the Bush administration, a change which was supported by many South Koreans, some estimates suggest that the North would have control over the peninsula within as little as three days.</p>
<p>One other thing to consider, again, however relevant you think it may be (it&#8217;s incredibly important to me), is that there are tens of thousands of US civilians scattered throughout the country, and an evacuation could be especially complicated given the delicate nature of the situation.  An evacuation of US citizens could be seen as the last move before war and be the trip wire that leads to an attack, either ground or nuclear.</p>
<p>All of this is, of course, in the context that we are dealing with an actor who, at least in my view, is not rational.  During the Cold War, leaders of both the United States and the Soviet Union worked to avoid conflict, especially direct conflict between nuclear powers and refrained from using nuclear weapons out of concern for the devastating impact that their use would have had on both countries.  In the case of the North Korean President, though, I don&#8217;t think it is safe to say the same.  I hope I am wrong.</p>
<p>In short, I&#8217;m not against military action per se, but in considering it, the President and the rest of the administration must carefully consider the best course of action given the complications presented by the situation.  If - and that is a big if - military conflict can be avoided, it must be, as quite literally tens of millions of Korean lives and tens of thousands of American lives could be wiped out in a matter of minutes.  Iraq could easily be made to look like Grenada.  If it must be undertaken, plans must be in place to prevent as much of the sure to be devastating loss of life as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Aziz Poonawalla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aziz Poonawalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed - and its worth remembering that &lt;A href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/2009/05/north-korea-nukes-a-paper-tige.html"&gt;DPRK is dark from  space&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed - and its worth remembering that <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/2009/05/north-korea-nukes-a-paper-tige.html">DPRK is dark from  space</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: dave_in_atl</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave_in_atl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are no Iraq.  They are the 3rd (5th by some standards) largest military force behind the U.S. and China.  

Our best chance is probably an assassination, followed hopefully by a coup by someone the U.S. can at least work with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are no Iraq.  They are the 3rd (5th by some standards) largest military force behind the U.S. and China.  </p>
<p>Our best chance is probably an assassination, followed hopefully by a coup by someone the U.S. can at least work with.</p>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are seriously going to take on NK, you pretty much have to try to evacuate Seoul first. Of course doing so would tip off NK and probably prompt a preemptive strike from them. But I don't see any other options. 

Having said all this, though, I suspect that NK is as much of a paper tiger as Saddam's Iraq was - once they roll out their artillery pieces from their hiding caves to bombard SK, it'll be a 'turkey shoot' for the U.S. Air Force, as they take out the artillery pieces one by one. 

The worrisome part is that, at that point, the nuke issue becomes a "use it or lose it" proposition for NK, and it's hard to say what they'd actually do when that happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are seriously going to take on NK, you pretty much have to try to evacuate Seoul first. Of course doing so would tip off NK and probably prompt a preemptive strike from them. But I don&#8217;t see any other options. </p>
<p>Having said all this, though, I suspect that NK is as much of a paper tiger as Saddam&#8217;s Iraq was - once they roll out their artillery pieces from their hiding caves to bombard SK, it&#8217;ll be a &#8216;turkey shoot&#8217; for the U.S. Air Force, as they take out the artillery pieces one by one. </p>
<p>The worrisome part is that, at that point, the nuke issue becomes a &#8220;use it or lose it&#8221; proposition for NK, and it&#8217;s hard to say what they&#8217;d actually do when that happens.</p>
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		<title>By: dave_in_atl</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave_in_atl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any war will probably lead to the destruction of Seoul, millions dead, and a large percentage of that 30K U.S. troops dead, and this is before we even get any reinforcements in.

It would likely be the bloodiest day in U.S. history since WWII.

I would hope North Korea realizes their only way to maintain power is to never attack South Korea... because as soon as that happens I expect our only option would be to wipe North Korea off the map.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any war will probably lead to the destruction of Seoul, millions dead, and a large percentage of that 30K U.S. troops dead, and this is before we even get any reinforcements in.</p>
<p>It would likely be the bloodiest day in U.S. history since WWII.</p>
<p>I would hope North Korea realizes their only way to maintain power is to never attack South Korea&#8230; because as soon as that happens I expect our only option would be to wipe North Korea off the map.</p>
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		<title>By: dave_in_atl</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/rumblings-from-the-korean-peninsula/#comment-5990</link>
		<dc:creator>dave_in_atl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though chances are good this is just Kim Jong-il saber rattling for more $$$ (aka bribes) this is quite unsettling.

I know one thing I will be praying for the 30,000 troops in harms way protecting South Korea.  If war ever did break out it would probably be one of the nastiest days in U.S. history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though chances are good this is just Kim Jong-il saber rattling for more $$$ (aka bribes) this is quite unsettling.</p>
<p>I know one thing I will be praying for the 30,000 troops in harms way protecting South Korea.  If war ever did break out it would probably be one of the nastiest days in U.S. history.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheetah772</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/rumblings-from-the-korean-peninsula/#comment-5989</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheetah772</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've  always wondered which is it more preferable: dealing with a bad situation right now by going to war with North Korea, or waiting until it collapses, perhaps with various factions fighting each other in a brutal civil war?  The latter would see a failed state with nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons in the hands of unstable factions.

For me, as  a casual observer, I don't think waiting is the best option right now.  If North Korea really has nuclear weapons, then it's only a matter of how many nuclear warheads will it has when it collapses or launches an attack on South Korea and us.  I think none of us wants to find out the answer to that question.

As much I hate to say this, maybe going to war is the best option right now, as long North Korea has only a few nuclear warheads, with less explosive power than ones we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Yes, I know there will be a lot of dead civilians in Seoul, but think of how many more will die if North Korea launches 100 nuclear warheads toward South Korea?

South Korea should get it over with.  Stop waiting, it's going to cause more problems down the road.  Of course, that's just my opinion, so what do I know as a casual observer....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve  always wondered which is it more preferable: dealing with a bad situation right now by going to war with North Korea, or waiting until it collapses, perhaps with various factions fighting each other in a brutal civil war?  The latter would see a failed state with nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons in the hands of unstable factions.</p>
<p>For me, as  a casual observer, I don&#8217;t think waiting is the best option right now.  If North Korea really has nuclear weapons, then it&#8217;s only a matter of how many nuclear warheads will it has when it collapses or launches an attack on South Korea and us.  I think none of us wants to find out the answer to that question.</p>
<p>As much I hate to say this, maybe going to war is the best option right now, as long North Korea has only a few nuclear warheads, with less explosive power than ones we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Yes, I know there will be a lot of dead civilians in Seoul, but think of how many more will die if North Korea launches 100 nuclear warheads toward South Korea?</p>
<p>South Korea should get it over with.  Stop waiting, it&#8217;s going to cause more problems down the road.  Of course, that&#8217;s just my opinion, so what do I know as a casual observer&#8230;.</p>
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