That’s one of the questions being debated over at Politico‘s “Arena” blog. Here’s my take, in a nutshell, on Sotormayor’s statement at Berkley in 2001 that the “richness of experience” of a “wise Latina woman” makes her more fit to judge (or more likely to “reach a better conclusion”) “than a white male”:
This is a whole bunch of nothing to most liberals, who accept as the natural order of things that empathy and common ethnic experience are more important in Constitutional law than dispassionate review and application of an objective standard. To conservatives, on the other hand, Sotomayor’s “wise Latina” statement is a something — if not necessarily a “big deal” — because it injects subjectivity into an objective process, and because it reflects an adoption of the race-and-gender-obsessed liberal worldview that denies any objective good outside of “diversity” for its own sake.
Given that Sotomayor’s speech from which the “wise Latina” quote was pulled was part of a symposium entitled “Raising the Bar: Latino and Latina Presence in the Judiciary and the Struggle for Representation,” it’s not surprising or offensive in the least that she discussed race as a topic. However, rather than using that pulpit to acknowledge that neither minority status nor an impoverished upbringing was the sine qua non of effectively interpreting legal texts and applying them to cases (her job as an appellate judge), Sotomayor chose to declare that, in her estimation, a white male simply isn’t as fit to render legal judgment as a “wise Latina woman.”
There’s a very clear reason why this statement has half of the nation up in arms. Ironically, the other half, which is brushing this aside and saying it’s no big deal, would be calling for the head of any white male who said his race and gender made him more qualified to judge than any “Latina woman.” The difference in that situation is that, had a white male said such a thing, conservatives would be condemning it as well — something race-and-gender-obsessed liberals simply can’t bring themselves to do with regard to Sotomayor’s statement, despite the obviousness of the double standard.
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Its a HUGE deal - It is pure and simply CLASSIC racism, i.e. superiority claim
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 11:24AM EST (link)Not debatable. Many are ignorant of this but many more are in denial of it due to their fear of offending the like minded or people that are their friends that struggle to continue to respect and so stay silent given the mass fear on all sides in the PC police circles beltway types run in.
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Hmmm...how does this differ from Justice Alito?
I do not apologize when I do something wrong. Thursday, May 28th at 11:35AM EST (link)During his confirmation hearing, he testified:
“And that’s why I went into that in my opening statement. Because when a case comes before me involving, let’s say, someone who is an immigrant — and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases — I can’t help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn’t that long ago when they were in that position [...]
When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account. ”
So, he takes his own family experience into account on the bench. How does this differ from Sotomayor’s suggestion that she hoped that a “wise Latina” would, “more often than not,” come to a better conclusion than someone who “hasn’t lived that life?”
We should also consider that, as Sotomayor said in her lecture, she was providing a counterpoint to a specific quote from Sandra Day O’Connor, who suggested that a “wise old woman” would come to the same conclusions as a “wise old man.” Note that O’Connor didn’t say “should,” but “would.” Do we really believe that men and women will necessarily draw the same conclusions in controversial matters?
Simply put, we have a judicial system because the law is not always clear. When the law is unclear, we ask judges to (as John Roberts put it) “call balls and strikes.” Every umpire has their own notion of the strike zone. This is not a bad thing. (Note that this actually ties in well with Sotomayor’s comment that appellate judges “make policy.” Policy is, in large part, the implementation of law; as judges call “balls and strikes”, they are effectively making policy within the scope of the law.)
There will certainly be valid criticisms of Sotomayor’s jurisprudence–and it’s interesting to see elements of the left up in arms because she has ruled against abortion rights groups in the past–but, once you read the full lecture instead of the hot-button quote, this one doesn’t seem a showstopper to me.
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The short answer?
Slightly_Askew (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 11:45AM EST (link)To paraphrase:
Alito: “My heritage gives me a different perspective.”
Sotomayor: “My heritage gives me a better perspective.”
In my opinion, they’re both wrong in that personal experience should not taint constitutional interpretation, but only one is racist.
I generally agree, but of course our personal experiences can help or hurt, depending on the SPECIFIC
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:08PM EST (link)matter involved, but only on the margins given that judges, esp appellate, have a role that mostly restricts them to interpreting written words which personal experience is not much if any factor.
The thing about personal experiences is that we all only have one and they are all unique in some way and are “better” and “worse” in various ways.
Sotomayor’s statement was akin to classic racial superiority style racism.
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nonsense
streiff (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:16PM EST (link)At no point does Alito say, imply, or hint that his background would let him render a “better conclusion.”
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
or it could be a quote out of context by a disengenuous moby...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:30PM EST (link)go here to see the full quote…but I will quote here the real difference between the two remarks.
And so it’s my job to apply the law. It’s not my job to change the law or to bend the law to achieve any result.
Alito acknowledged that we are all shaped by our experience as individual people, but he also recognized that his *job* is to apply the law, not to change or bend it to achieve a result. A result caused, perhaps, by relying to much on empathy and not on the correct application of the law.
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Why did Obama vote against Alito?
Kyle-MI (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 1:36PM EST (link)If Sotomayor and Alito have the same basis for perspective then why did Obama vote against Alito?
He doesn't like Italians. :-) -nt-
Lammo (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 2:08PM EST (link)Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (John Corapi, The Black Sheep Dog)
I am not sure really...
smitch61 Thursday, May 28th at 11:57AM EST (link)The comment itself really does not bother me.. I guess I could dovetail off of the above poster and state that perhaps the law is not always clear… Hence Bush lawyers come to the conclusion that torture, or enhanced interrogation when used in specific cases are legal, whereas Obama’s lawyers would find differently. Neither side is wrong really, but the intent to go after the previous administration based on ones own interpretation is wrong… I believe most americans regardless of party believe what we did to protect us after 9/11 is acceptable if it kept us safe……I guess the law could be like the bible, interpreted differently by everybody.
I would like her to be asked what she meant and be given the chance to explain. The comment itself does not bother me really, the comment about using the courts to “make law” bothers me more….Clarence Thomas was dirt poor…. period…. and he was chastised by the left in his nomination. I do not care so much about the background, I do believe justice is blind, so a case before her should not hinder on weather the person is rich, poor, white, black, latina, latino, union worker, non union worker, CEO, or hourly labor… If she can operate that way great…… I will say though, that comment would have gotten her dismissed from a jury pool……so she needs to explain herself.
Just to clarify...
I do not apologize when I do something wrong. Thursday, May 28th at 12:09PM EST (link)“I would like her to be asked what she meant and be given the chance to explain. The comment itself does not bother me really, the comment about using the courts to “make law” bothers me more…”
Sotomayor suggested that appellate courts “make policy”, not “make law.” As I mentioned in my original comment above, I don’t think it unreasonable to consider judicial decisions as “policy” within the law, along the lines of the “balls and strikes” metaphor used by Justice Roberts.
I think you’re right on both counts, however; these are certainly legitimate avenues of inquiry for her confirmation hearings.
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actually, it is the opposite, but just in a very narrow sense that she did not mean
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:17PM EST (link)but, yes, that statement is explainable
Circuit courts do decide precedent on unanswered questions of the law for their circuit. Some provisions of statutes and even the constitution are vague, and some intentionally so. For those in the Constitution that are vague, some invite the courts and Congress to decide what are reasonable searches, for example, but many provisions of statutes are left vague for political reasons so as not to offend a voter and on many cases, but not all as Bork says that courts should simply dismiss the case.
But on some cases they have to make a ruling that does make law.
They should never make policy.
But admittedly, these words are vague.
I think that her record as a judge helps interpret what she meant by her public statement, that and that nervous giggle and wink to the libs that telegraph that they are all in on the joke, ie lie.
I know these people. I was dem party official for 18 yrs and have been a lawyer for loner.
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yes,make policy
smitch61 Thursday, May 28th at 1:49PM EST (link)wesmorgan1, I misspoke, she did say make policy, not law…. I am a true conservative, but willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. I look at it this way…. We all know for example that hollywood lives in a bubble.. truth be told, they have really no clue on how the rest of us live or what it might be like to substitute maybe a pound of turkey for lets say a pound of sirloin. They absolutely have a right to their lifestyle and work hard for it… But being tuned into the everyday life of the folks could give you a better perspective on how the rest of us live, but not necessarily “biased” or “racist” about it… How many white males in DC speak on our behalf and have absolutely no idea how to relate to any of us, with their own political agenda at the core of their decisions?…. Now, how does she feel about the 2nd amendment for example?… that could be an issue.
The Ricci case shows what she means - she bases outcomes of cases
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:11PM EST (link)based on race, not the law. This is not unusual for democrats and liberals, its just that we have raw, honest quote from this racist.
But by all means, let us have her explain it.
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It bothers me that it doesn't bother you that she made
The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 1:47PM EST (link)a blatantly racist remark. Edit that phrase to come from a white man under any circumstance and the MSM will be urging the crowds to riot because of the obvious injustice of the statement.
It doesn’t merely need explaining. It’s the sort of thing that not only ought to preclude her from a SCOTUS appointment, it ought to get her booted from the bench for unethical behavior. We’ve got local governments saying devout Catholics can’t wear necklaces that advertise their faith when executing their administrative jobs because it might offend a non-Christian, but someone who is actually rendering legal decisions that affect white men gets to make that statement? No, no, a thousand times no! A necessary requirement of justice is that decisions be rendered with as little personal prejudice as possible.
The comments aren't her problem....
texas214 (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 3:21PM EST (link)It’s going to be the answers she gives when questioned about them; as the old saying goes “it’s not the crime, it’s the cover up”. There are going to be three areas that she is going to have to explain herself:
1) The comment about Latina females vs. white men.
2) The comment about making policy.
3) Her connection to La Raza.
The last could be the most serious when you read what La Raza (the Race) stands for and promotes and how a SCOTUS can square the having been a member.
"What if a white ..." is the Wrong Argument
loganyung (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:12PM EST (link)The “what if a white person said that” argument is not one that will sell very well to the general public. This needs to be argued in a way that people understand, like in this post:
http://www.redstate.com/loganyung/2009/05/28/sotomayor-and-baseball/
great baseball column (reco'd) but I actually think that
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:21PM EST (link)her racist statement doesn’t need much if any commentary by us to offend people, especially and including MANY liberal whites. I know lots of them, and hardly any go for racial quotas that would advance a minority less qualified than them.
This is really an Achilles heel for this gal coupled with the Ricci case.
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ridicule, not outrage
Darin_H (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:38PM EST (link)the richness of my experience as a half Asian – half black – half white person of a certain gender have taught me that ridicule and not outrage is best to defeat Sanjaya Sotomayor.
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A Big Deal?
skey (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 1:00PM EST (link)A big deal in the sense that it should prevent her from being confirmed? No, not really. Do you really think that if Obama chose his top 100 people for the job, approximately 100% of them think the same way. Elections have consequences, and Obama getting to put in his people is one of them.
On the other hand, is it a big deal in the sense that it should be used as a rallying cry to remind idependents why Democratic presidents are a bad idea? You betcha.
Where did Obama run on this
Kyle-MI (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 1:33PM EST (link)I must have missed the campaign speech where he told people to vote for him because he would appoint racially biased judges to the Supreme Court. Do you have any links or reference?
Even if he had promised racist judges
philojunius (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 1:35PM EST (link)It would still be necessary for people of goodwill to stand up to them.
If David Duke had been elected President
philojunius (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 1:30PM EST (link)the fact that all his cronies and appointees were also racists would not stop anyone of goodwill from opposing each one individually.
Elections have consequences: the consequence of this one is that we have to fight a bunch of increasingly open racists.
Truth be told...
I do not apologize when I do something wrong. Thursday, May 28th at 2:14PM EST (link)…I’m more concerned with the actual opinions she’s issued than I am the lectures she’s given. So far, there isn’t much controversy in her work from the bench.
From what I’ve been able to discover, she’s written roughly 380 opinions. Of those, only 6 were heard by the SCOTUS on appeal. That means that the other 374 were either so solid as to be “not worth an appeal to SCOTUS” or were denied cert by SCOTUS. 374 out of 380 is a pretty good batting average.
Even the case currently before the SCOTUS, Ricci v. DiStefano, is in keeping with Second Circuit precedent. SCOTUS agreed to hear it because other circuits have ruled differently in such cases. That’s how the system works.
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