The Department of Homeland Security has a corporate IP address of 216.81.80.134 and is located in Springfield, Virginia—area code 703. The coordinates of this location are latitude 38.7438, longitude -77.2333. How do I know this? Well, let me give you a little background information and then we’ll connect the dots.
I have a web site I use to sell a product that I invented and patented. The product is basically an educational tool. My biggest market is college students enrolled in a technical or engineering program. I also sell this product through an association of college bookstores. As an educational tool, my product is totally 100% guaranteed harmless. If you Google my name and the words “graph paper”, you’ll find my web site.
On April 15th I attended the Council Bluffs, IA “Tea Party” Tax Day protest. I emailed the event organizer the day before that I would be attending the “Tea Party”, along with several fellow co-workers. I got the organizers name and email address through the website theglennbeck912project.com. I was a little hesitant to go at first since I’m not one for protesting, but in the final analysis it was a wonderful experience.
Enough with the background, now let’s connect the dots. On April 18th, two days after the tea party protests, I was checking traffic on my website. I always do reverse IP traces on major hits to see where they are originating so I can evaluate the effectiveness of my marketing strategy. As I checked one particular large hit, I was stunned to see the following on my screen,
Hostname: 216.81.80.134
ISP: Department of Homeland Security
Organization: Department of Homeland Security
Type: Corporate
Country: United States
State/Region: VA
City: Springfield
Latitude: 38.7438
Longitude: -77.2333
Area Code: 703
When I told my wife about my find, she seemed to dismiss it and suggested that they may have been interested in making a purchase. I checked my PayPal account and noted no orders had been processed that day for the Department of Homeland Security. Is this just a coincidence? The answer is NO. My full name is not on my website. Someone had to actively search to make the connection.
I am a Marine Corp veteran, I do practice my religious faith, I do own a shotgun, and I did attend the Council Bluffs, IA “Tea Party” on April 15th. Now I feel I am on the Department of Homeland Security’s watch list of possible terrorists. They appear to have been monitoring the emails of the Tea Party contact organizers. Who and what else are they monitoring?
These are the facts; I’ll leave it up to you to decide what actions you may want to take if you attended a tea party. As for me, I’ve already contacted my congressman to vehemently lodge my complaint.
Jeff Jorgensen
Treynor, IA
Well we knew they would be watching The One got his memo to them...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, April 26th at 1:54PM EDT (link)in time to do so….LET THEM WATCH we will just watch them back and they ought to remember their alliegence is to America not Janet or Obama!!! They will be out of office one day and then those at DHS will have to answer for what they have done!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
"those at DHS will have to answer for what they have done!"
olsmithie Monday, April 27th at 12:31PM EDT (link)To who? The next George Bush?
Republicans have never held anyone’s feet to the fire in my adult lifetime They should, but don’t..
I DO wish you were right, but must respectfully disagree.
Regards
Politicians love surveilance
GreyCloak Wednesday, April 29th at 6:27AM EDT (link)I’ll not question your lifetime, but I once attended a three-day seminar on something like “How to run an election.” The convention’s opening speaker was George McGovern … a candidate for President.
In the Nixon years, obvious government agents kneeled on stage during McGovern’s remarks and slowly panned every row of the audience with their cameras. I’m probably on an FBI video to this day.
The conference was interesting: I learned how to change a mechanical voting machine from one candidate to another (a common Democrat ploy in those days, in Chicago), and a lot more about honest campaigning with a well-selected candidate.
Unfortunately. DHS is big on surveillance … maybe not a bad thing for honest civilian voters … but don’t think the Democrats will actually reverse any policies that track folks that might be conservative. Remember, Clinton murdered over 70 men, women, and children in Waco because they might have had too many guns … no indictments were ever handed down
Can I join your terrorist cell? nt
redneck_hippie Sunday, April 26th at 2:09PM EDT (link)“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23.
Domestic spying
redneck_hippie Sunday, April 26th at 2:13PM EDT (link)They know tea parties are nonviolent as are their participants. They are just digging around for some small nugget they can twist for propaganda purposes.
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23.
Wait until you get audited by the IRS.
NeoKong Sunday, April 26th at 2:52PM EDT (link)The only govt. agency that needs no court order to seize property or investigate your records.
The opinion of a wise whitino male.
Proud member of the DHS watch list...
spreadthered Sunday, April 26th at 3:00PM EDT (link)I am certain they have flagged me as I fit many of the prerequisites
I STRONGLY oppose a one world order
I oppose big government
I oppose socialism
I oppose the U.N.
I oppose gay marriage (although I do believe in civil unions and giving them the rights of married couples)
I support Capitalism and Free Markets
I believe my country’s best interest should be the ONLY concern of our government.
I believe Christian’s should be free to practice their religion anywhere at anytime, and not just free to practice Islam like it’s coming down to.
I believe in the constitution at it stands, and not that it is a living breathing document
I believe there was a time and place for unions and that time has passed.
I believe the government should stop telling us how to live our lives and what we can and can’t eat.
I believe in natural evolution of the plant and therefor, do not believe in man-made Climate change. (Although I don’t believe in polluting the earth with littering and/or chemicals)
I believe that racism is perceived to be worse because Liberals segregate people into groups and then exploits them.
I STRONGLY believe in the 2nd amendment
I am proud of our military and thank them for their service whenever possible.
I am proud of my beliefs and if that puts my name of DHS’s watch list then so be it. They do not and will not intimidate me! Like the state slogan of NH says, “Live Free or Die” As long as I am living I will live free!
Actually, this could work to our benefit.....
rcov092 Monday, April 27th at 5:56PM EDT (link)if we can get the number on the watch list up to say 185 million based on Napolitano’s algorithm.
Especially if they realize all the gun owners and ALL the military is on the list. what are they gonna do outsource their side of the Revolution to say Russia?
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You might be on to something there...
Fred Maidment Monday, April 27th at 8:41PM EDT (link)…ever read “The Manchurian Candidate?”
Seen “Red Dawn?”
Read the unfortunately sexually perverse but otherwise excellent “Wingman” series?
Eh, I’m mostly concerned about my 1st point…
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“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”
- - Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
strongly agree
flbob10 Friday, May 1st at 12:30PM EDT (link)ditto
signed
Anonymus
lol
Be Proud
Michael DeWeese Sunday, April 26th at 3:07PM EDT (link)Being on the DHS Right wing watch list is a badge to wear proudly.
Brain Dead Republican
I'm ready for my
Fred Maidment Monday, April 27th at 8:42PM EDT (link)yellow star, numbered tattoo and ride on a box car…
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“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”
- - Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
I won't get on that boxcar
jwebb Wednesday, April 29th at 11:13AM EDT (link)I’d rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.
Here is another story on the FBI watching the TEA Parties...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, April 26th at 10:03PM EDT (link)http://rightsoup.com/the-fbi-spied-and-reported-on-your-tea-party/
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Dozens of these stories
jackbenimble Monday, April 27th at 9:19AM EDT (link)There were dozens of these stories. Google FBI and Tea Party and you will find them in google news. I looked around half-heartedly for a second source but they all seemed to all trace back to the same Canada Free Press article that is linked in your post above. Of course that does not mean it is true but I like to have a little more ammo in my gun before I start believing stuff. They all said about the same thing which was that on orders from Homeland Security, EVERY Tea Party was surveilled by the FBI.
My file must be getting pretty thick! Besides believing inlower taxes and less spending, the 2nd and 10′th Amendments, I carried a “No Amnesty” sign at the Sheridan Tea Party and my dauighter dates an Army Lt. so they have plenty of reasons to track my “right wing extremism”. In the interest of saving the government some tax dollars and working from the assumption that they also monitor Red State, I’ll make it easy for them to match this post to my picture by stating that I was the only person at the Sheridan Tea Party with a “No Amnesty” sign.
“I repudiate the idea of voting for a Democrat
5 5 5 ....nt
JadedByPolitics Monday, April 27th at 9:33AM EDT (link)…
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
I used Google Earth
izoneguy Sunday, April 26th at 10:23PM EDT (link)and used the LAT & LON from your IP trace and it is close to Springfield but looks like a residential area??
Check this out
http://paladium.slimhost.com/usa-fedintelligenceCiaHeadquarters.php
Some more good “spy” stuff:
http://www.cthulhulives.org/Game62%20the%20call/story62.html
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Mr. Jorgensen... I googled you & graph paper.
mbecker908 Sunday, April 26th at 10:24PM EDT (link)1. I found your web site. I’m a graduate engineer (who quit doing engineering a long time ago, but that’s another story) and I think your Geek-Pads are really great!
2. The second google hit on my search was this:
[XLS]
SBVT signators
File Format: Microsoft Excel
1817, unknown, Jeffery Paul Matueweszski, BM3 Cat Lo ??-10/69-?? 1818, CREW, Jeffery R. Gray, EN2 …… 2284, CREW, Larry D. Jorgensen, EN2, early/69-9/69, CatLo/AnThoi …… 3730, CREW, Wayne A. Paper, LTJG, OinC, wpaper@traer.net ? …
http://www.graphpaper.com/swiftboats/sbvt_data.xls - Similar pages
I thought it was interesting.
I don't think that is Jeff's site
izoneguy Sunday, April 26th at 10:45PM EDT (link)http://www.graphpaper.com
does not reference Jeff anywhere.
http://www.geek-pad.com/
I think this is Jeff’s site.
I did download that .xls spreadsheet however….
Very interesting???
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Whois
JustLeaveMeAlone Monday, April 27th at 12:29AM EDT (link)Although one’s name may not be on a website, the site owner can often be found by doing a WHOIS at Network Solutions.
And even if that information is listed as private, I’m betting DHS can see it. (No, I didn’t check the whois info for Jeff’s site.)
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
JLMA, those folks that can freeze your bank account without leaving their desk
olsmithie Saturday, May 2nd at 3:43PM EDT (link)can find out who paid for the website..
Your instincts are good!
Regards
Obviously it's not his site.
mbecker908 Monday, April 27th at 8:45AM EDT (link)I found his site by going through another one and finding the name of his product.
As far as the SBV website is concerned, it’s also obvious that’s not him. I was fascinated by - and should have said so - the Google algorithm that managed to pull up a a Swiftie site with his info. He obviously wouldn’t be listed on the site, given that he id’d himself as a Marine, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t be old enough anyway.
No conspiracies, just interesting. “Veddy inter-est-ing…”
I used Yahoo,
Flagstaff Monday, April 27th at 3:26PM EDT (link)and the SBVT site wasn’t even in the top ten results. These Redstate comments were, however.
Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!
Algorithms are REALLY interesting things. nt
mbecker908 Monday, April 27th at 4:05PM EDT (link)I ain't sweating the FBI watching.
Achance Sunday, April 26th at 10:45PM EDT (link)They might have some interest in leaders and organizers but at this stage of the game, it is really just to see who’s sticking their head up and to try to cross reference them with any other thing the Security Services (like that?) might be interested in.
That said, if there are continuing rounds of Tea Parties or other demonstrations, before long you can be sure that within your eyesight is an FBI agent or informer, probably somebody from the various military law enforcement and investigative functions, and somebody just loosely enough associated with the CIA that they can plausibly deny him/her. Their role is usually just observation, but at least back in the ‘Sixties, law enforcement did a lot of provocation. They knew they’d have trouble busting people if it was clear they provoked, but they didn’t mind watching the cops kick the s@#t out of people in response to things the cops themselves started.
If we get to this place again, lots of people will begin to understand why the Bill Ayers of the World started blowing things up. I never agreed with the objectives of the anti-war Left or the Civil Rights Movement after Dr. King, but I was close enough and knew and saw enough to understand how someone in a leadership position could come to really, really learn to hate cops.
In Vino Veritas
Bill Ayers never was
Justin_Case Wednesday, April 29th at 8:37PM EDT (link)part of the “anti-war left”. Neither was Jane Fonda or her drip of a husband, Tom Hayden, and the rest of the Chicago Seven. If anything, they were ANTI-American. They clearly took sides with the Viet Cong as evidenced by VC flags flying in Grant Park and Fonda’s trip to North Vietnam during her time as a useful idiot.
There should be a Chicago Seven Trial transcript on the net somewhere as well as a chronology of events that led to the killings at Kent State.
I well remember the 1968 convention. I grew up just outside the city. There were other people back then who tried to blame the police for overreacting and beating up these poor little kids.
My father despised Mayor Daley, but he backed him AND the Chicago Police Department in this case. So do I.
One more thing. My dad told me, “If you go down there, I will kick your ass.”
There was no way I had any intention of getting involved in that fiasco. But, let there be no doubt that if I had, and got my head busted in, I would have myself to blame if my father had to judge.
You obviously had no exposure to the far left in the '60's.
mbecker908 Wednesday, April 29th at 10:45PM EDT (link)Ayers, Fonda, Hayden, etal were not at all atypical. As a matter of fact the only thing that separated them from several million others was just a little leadership and opportunity. And, there was a HUGE difference between 1968 and 1970. The whole movement moved WAY to the left after Grant Park. If Nixon hadn’t been president, there would likely have been major riots in every big city, much, much worse than we actually had and Washington would probably still be burning.
My point is
Justin_Case Thursday, April 30th at 6:19AM EDT (link)that a common misconception exists that the people I mentioned above were “anti war”. They most definitely wanted North Vietnam and their Soviet and Chinese benefactors to win. They were not for “peace”. VC flags flying at Grant Park are evidence of this.
Another misconception is that protesters were blameless while the police were looking for an excuse to beat some heads in.
I’m very much aware of what occurred during the ’60s as I was of draft age during that time.
My point is that there was a lot of provocation
Achance Saturday, May 2nd at 3:57PM EDT (link)on the demonstator/protester side, some of that provocation being done by agents of various police agencies. As you relate, I don’t know of any incidents of cops laying into a crowd unprovoked, but I know of incidents where the provocation came over the stringent objections of the organizers and some of the provocateurs were undercover cops or informers.
And I just use “anti-war” left as a shorthand for all sorts of groups: some were just looking to get balled and high, some were anti-draft, some anti-Vietnam War, some anti-war generally, and some were, as you say, thoroughly anti-American. I, too, have heard the chants of “Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh, NLF is gonna win!
In Vino Veritas
David Horowitz & Peter Collier
Warrior Saturday, May 2nd at 2:52PM EDT (link)saw this mess up close and personal. Try reading “Radical Son” or “The Destructive Generation” and you’ll get a picture of just exactly how left wing “activists” targeted policemen for execution.
BTW: I’m not talking about racist cops in the South during MLK’s time. I grew up in the South and I supported MLK and the civil rights movement when it was not popular to do so.
Of course, after Jesse, Al and the rest of the racial shakedown artists moved in, my ardor for the movement cooled.
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
I've read Radical Son and I, too, saw a lot
Achance Saturday, May 2nd at 3:58PM EDT (link)of it up close and personal.
In Vino Veritas
Agreed
Warrior Sunday, May 3rd at 12:44AM EDT (link)There are bad cops, just like bad apples in any profession.
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
At least I'll have a prison buddy when I get shipped to GITMO :o)
Amy Miller Monday, April 27th at 11:11AM EDT (link)If I get clinked first I’ll send you a post card and let you know how it is!!!
~A
Tweet Me, It’s Trendy!!!: @amy_m_miller
“Ah, yes, it’s the apocalypse alright. I always thought I’d have a hand in it.”
Amy,
Wayne Tuesday, April 28th at 8:03PM EDT (link)do let us know if Americans will get bibles and exercise and special diets. Or, if it’ll be bread and water, indoctrination and hard labor? Thanks for volunteering.
“Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal, and took Iwo Jima, Baghdad ain’t s–t”. Maj. Gen. John F. Kelly, USMC, Deputy CG, First MEF
WHOA I'm not volunteering!
Amy Miller Tuesday, April 28th at 8:36PM EDT (link)I’m just betting on getting carted off in the dead of night!
~A
Tweet Me, It’s Trendy!!!: @amy_m_miller
“Ah, yes, it’s the apocalypse alright. I always thought I’d have a hand in it.”
I just changed my religion
paulincolo Wednesday, April 29th at 12:33AM EDT (link)to BUD if re-education camp is in Gitmo. The BUD religion is not beer, it is Beach and Umbrella Drinks. I will require 6 hours of beach time per day and at least 2 UD’s per hour. Although beer will be ok as an occasional substitute for UD’s. But they better not forget the towels and comfy beach chairs, those are critical to my praying.
OK,
Wayne Wednesday, April 29th at 8:55AM EDT (link)I too changed my religion to BUD. Now, that sounds like the way to get “re-educated”.
“Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal, and took Iwo Jima, Baghdad ain’t s–t”. Maj. Gen. John F. Kelly, USMC, Deputy CG, First MEF
GITMO = Hardin Mt
jackbenimble Wednesday, April 29th at 8:35AM EDT (link)I see that the little town of Hardin, MT, which built a prison on economic development speculation which is now sitting empty and in default is bidding on housing the GITMO prisoners when Guantanamo gets closed down. They would be transported to Billings MT for trial which would put them in the realm of the 9th District Court of Appeals which could not be good.
When you find yourself in Gitmo don’t be surprised if you find yourself in the middle of the Crow Indian reservation. The view is kind of nice but the winter weather sucks.
“I repudiate the idea of voting for a Democrat
Let Them Watch
dcshananigans Monday, April 27th at 7:07PM EDT (link)I’m not freaking out…..but thanks for the important info.
Let them follow me, they'll be bored
red4ever Tuesday, April 28th at 9:08PM EDT (link)Unlike Gary Hart, in my case, that is so true as to be sad. Even I am bored.
The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.
Dante
I say to hell with letting them track us!
Doc Holliday Thursday, April 30th at 11:07PM EDT (link)This is America, there is a thing called probable cause. We don’t forgo our Constitutional rights because we happen to be innocent, we support them because they are rights endowed by our Creator!
I am glad this is a top rated diary, but I am surprised some are so flippant about it. We were told the DHS and Patriot Act were about Islamic Terror. I, and many others, warned people once you take rights away, you wont get them back. Once you give the government more power over people’s lives, that power can be used by your political foes against you.
Now we know anyone on the right is a potential terrorist or any soldier. For some reason we believed Bush when he said he was only going after terrorists, of course did we stop to wonder if one day we might be called terrorists for simply believing in the Constitution?
If we really look into this, Bush will get as much blame as Obama, if not more. See this is why I keep talking about liberty, this is why I keep talking about small government.
Molon Labe!
everyone should see this film
Doc Holliday Thursday, April 30th at 11:33PM EDT (link)about the devastation caused by the East German Stasi and their watching. By the way, it is a great film, ranked 56th on IMDB.
Molon Labe!
Oh for pete's sake
Warrior Saturday, May 2nd at 3:05PM EDT (link)Muslim extremists mudered 3000 innocent Americans. Any reasonable person would think it might be a good idea to monitor Muslim extremists therefore.
A bunch of natural born Americans who gather to protest high taxes is not a reasonable target of FBI surveillance or a valid use of tax money. It is purely political.
And give Bush a break, will you. Didn’t the left wing media beat up on him enough already?
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
well let's see
Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 3:26PM EDT (link)we already have the CIA, FBI, NSA, Secret Service, and many other organizations who’s sole purpose is to keep us safe. Maybe you should reread the diary, it is not about Muslim extremists. In fact, Bush sold the DHS and domestic wiretapping by claiming it would solely be used against Islamic terrorists.
We bought the new powers hook, line, and sinker. This issue separates libertarian-conservatives (in the ascendancy) and Big Government false Social Conservatives/War Hawks that want to use the government to their own devices. I told them they would regret the power taken from the individual and given to the government.
I am all for fighting the war on Terror. But this new administration is not worried about that, they seem to be focusing on political rivals, but are using their new found powers to do it. You and I probably will never agree, but big government Republicanism is waning, so I will not worry too much.
Molon Labe!
Maybe you should
Warrior Saturday, May 2nd at 3:40PM EDT (link)re-read my post. I was not responding to the diary. I was responding to you..
Look, I’m as opposed to big govt as you are. I didn’t especially appreciate Bush sitting on the veto and letting so much deficit spending pass by.
However, Obama and Co. don’t need any laws, old or new, to abuse their power and abrogate the Cnstitution. It’s already illegal to use the FBI for political persecution. The DHS & warrantless taps were designed to keep track of future Muslim bombers — and it worked. We haven’t had an attack in eight years.
Bill Clinton mis-used the Justice Dept to lambaste and harrass political enemies ( see David Limbaugh’s “Absolute Power” for details.) Tell me how Bush was responsible for that.
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
yes Warrior, but the flaw
Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 3:54PM EDT (link)is that I was responding to the diary. See, you took my response to the diary and then put your own meaning into my response. Bush did keep us safe, but he also was a big government social conservative who wanted to use the government to create what he believed to be a compassionate Leviathan.
I still like Bush. I still have his sticker on my car. I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I can like the man Bush, celebrate his successes, and still see where he and I do not agree ideologically. The empirical evidence is he left his party in shambles and has no interest in fixing it. We are left to pick up the pieces, I am offering new ideas, ideas that are catching on.
I have been here over three years and have been consistent since day one. Now just today Demint is saying what I have been saying and he gets front page attention. I am not a big L libertarian, I am a Conservative and Republican and have always been one. I believe liberty is the true calling of conservatives, I believe we must fight back against unwarranted government intrusions because they are wrong in any context.
“Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power.” — Benjamin Franklin
Molon Labe!
Barking up Right tree
Warrior Saturday, May 2nd at 4:25PM EDT (link)You were saying Bush’s actions gave Obama a club with which to beat political opponents. I was saying they didn’t need one, they would have found some excuse to do it anyway….
And yes, you may categorize Bush anyway you want to, but he had to make sacrifices to win the wars in Iraq & Afganistan — even to continue fighting them. My guess is he wheeled and dealed with Congress to keep the troops funded & in the field when popular opinion had gone south.
In any event, what big new ideas are you taliking about? I’ve been on this site four and a half years and have been railing against big, unweildy wasteful govt the entire time.
The point is, Monday morning quarterbacking is easy. After 911, EVERYBODY was clamoring for Bush to DO SOMETHING. So he did, and now he has to take flack because a man we knew to be a socialist long before the election was actually elected and is now using any means necessary to socialize America. I just don’t see how that is Bush’s fault.
Believe me, anyone who was connected with the likes of ACORN could care less what the law says or means. Just ask the undead they registered to vote in Chi-town. No, wait….
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
probable cause
mom2oneson Saturday, May 2nd at 3:20PM EDT (link)They gov can violate your rights without consequence and unless you are some kind of protected group the left cares about or a real criminal where they are careful not to violate your rights. I think we are totally passed the days of them needing probable cause.
This is something I struggle with, how do we teach our children, especially our teens about citizen’s rights without them being fearful and angry on one hand or too trustful on the other. I would love to know what other parents have done. Do you teach this is how it should be vs the way things are?
it is tricky mom2one
Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 3:33PM EDT (link)I want to fight the War on Terror to the hilt. I wan out government to not fight with one hand tied behind its back. Yet, people are too willing to let emotion surpass reason when they are afraid. We trusted Bush with the new powers and new government agency. We should have looked at what might happen when our foes had that power.
Napolitano is on a which hunt. I don’t doubt the administration has an enemies list, ala Nixon. I am far from a conspiracy theorist, in fact I always laugh at those types. But this is not a conspiracy, it is out in the open. The administration seems to think the greatest danger to America are its own citizens that don’t like the direction Obama is taking the nation.
Anyone who thinks it is ok for for Obama to monitor and spy on regular Americans is warped in the mind. If we become sheep, if we do not fight for our Constitutional rights, then who will?
Molon Labe!
witch, not which my bad -nt
Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 3:34PM EDT (link)nt
Molon Labe!
When did you join the fight?
Warrior Saturday, May 2nd at 3:47PM EDT (link)Taking over car companies by the Fed is unConstitutional. Buying insurance companies is un Constitutional.So is pressuring banks to make unsecured loans. So is federal involvement in education, energy, guns, religion, Nativity scenes, housing, — stop me when you get the point
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
sober up Warrior
Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 3:58PM EDT (link)what point am I supposed to get? Where did I disagree with you and your list? You ask me when I joined the fight, I am not sure what you are getting at. I don’t have to explain myself to you nor will I. I could give you a list of things I have done but wont because when someone is just trying to argue, the worst thing you can do is give them more fodder.
If you want to go on over nothing go ahead, I will not play your game, I am done responding to you, I still have no clue why you have a burr under your saddle.
Molon Labe!
Doc, quit smoking that dope
Warrior Saturday, May 2nd at 4:45PM EDT (link)Well, when somebody comes along claiming to have Big, New ideas and bashing Bush, I guess I don’t appreciate it. And I don’t particularly like to argue — just to set things Right.
And the point you’re supposed to get is that most of us here at RS have been fighting big, intrusive govt for years. You display a certain hubris to imply you are somehow pushing “new” ideas.
The likely cause of the tone of this discussion is your remark that:
“You and I probably will never agree, but big government Republicanism is waning, so I will not worry too much.”
You thereby imply I’m a “big govt.” Republican. No such luck.
And BTW, how did you feel about deficit spending under Reagan? Was he a “big govt” Republican even though he ran up a deficit to win the Cold War?
Did he leave his party in “shambles” too?
Finally, you say:
” I could give you a list of things I have done…”
Yeah, so could I. And they all would inform you that you have misjudged and insulted me. And if you think I’m argumentative now, you ain’t seen nothing yet….
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
no you misjudged me sir, you attacked me first
Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 5:29PM EDT (link)anyone here that knows me knows I speak the truth. I have been saying this from day one. Our party will win again when we support limited government and maximum freedom. You tried to pick a fight with me because you thought I slighted Bush. But the facts are Bush did grow the government and that increased power is being used against us. I don’t see many taking your side here, I just stated the facts.
Molon Labe!
It's really not debatable
Warrior Saturday, May 2nd at 10:37PM EDT (link)You said:
“You and I probably will never agree, but big government Republicanism is waning, so I will not worry too much.”
Which implies that I am a Big Govt Republican. You haven’t been on this site as long as I have so you don’t realize what nonsense you’re saying. So, YOU picked the fight.
Man up, whydoncha?
And this:
“Our party will win again when we support limited government and maximum freedom.”
Brilliant. Do you think you invented that? We were pushing that agenda long before you ever heard of Red State.
And this:
“But the facts are Bush did grow the government and that increased power is being used against us.”
Try reading my rersponse. As another poster has said, Bush was never made King. It is Congress that writes the budget. And I’ve already said he should have used the veto pen more often.
Read my lips: BHO & Co. didn’t use any of your so-called “increased power” to pass the porkulus, fire the prez of GM or start buying ins companies and he sure as h*ll didn’t need any DHS or domestic taps to mis-use the FBI. For crying out loud, Hoover did it for decades before anyone ever heard of GW Bush. Honestly dude, WAKE UP.
Finally, you retort:
“I don’t see many taking your side here, I just stated the facts.”
Look genius, I don’t care who “takes my side” or not. What are you, in third grade?
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
wow
Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 11:09PM EDT (link)just wow. I still stand by my offer to drop this. I could cut and paste and make a strong argument, but I don’t want to. Anyone who looks at the thread can see who was first to criticize the other, we can’t change what was written and why, it is there in black and white. Again, I am offering an olive branch, not a thing the Doc does easily, because I think we are on the same side and further argument is a waste of our time and RS bandwidth/storage.
again, peace man, I offer this in goodwill not because I can not continue the fight.
Molon Labe!
Cross Comms Doc Dude
Warrior Sunday, May 3rd at 12:31AM EDT (link)I was writing this response when you were writing the concilliatory one. They must have passed in cyber space. My olive branch response is below, entitled
“Wow, I’m Impressed”
Peace out!
(I still think you started it.)
(Sorry, couldn’t resist.)
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
no it was you
Doc Holliday Sunday, May 3rd at 2:39AM EDT (link)peace
Molon Labe!
they are not "new ideas" that is the joke
Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 5:35PM EDT (link)our party lost its way by trying to cobble together a coalition based on using government to control people in just a different way than the Dems. I don’t claim to own these ideas, but it is funny to me what was obviously needed is now just being stated by our leaders in the Wall Street Journal as a new plan.
Molon Labe!
OK, fine
Warrior Saturday, May 2nd at 10:49PM EDT (link)Man, you leave your computer for two hours to eat supper and somebody both argues with you and concedes your point in the next post.
Right. You don’t “own” these ideas. Indeed, RS was started to press just such ideas. And politicians ALWAYS call their latest plan “new.” That’s why I objected to your describing them so and claiming them as your own.
And don’t deny it. In your own words:
“Now just today Demint is saying what I have been saying and he gets front page attention.”
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
warrior
Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 11:02PM EDT (link)I think we should abandon this argument. I am not one to drop an argument easily, but I think we are basically on the same side. If you want to believe I think individual liberty is a new idea I came up with, fine. Most people that know me would not take it that way, they would not think me so conceded or ignorant.
I am surprised we have not crossed paths before since we have both been here over three years. And yes, I concede you have been here longer
Anyway, let’s chalk this up to a misunderstanding, the written word can be misinterpreted, if we were in a bar tossing a few beers down, I am sure we would get on famously.
cheers,
Doc
Molon Labe!
Wow, I'm impressed
Warrior Saturday, May 2nd at 11:43PM EDT (link)you know how to use emoticons while all I can do is make these ridiculous faces : )
Doc, I thought since Reagan said “Govt is not the solution, Govt is the problem” everybody was on board with shrinking the size and power of govt. But there are exceptions: like winning the Cold War and responding to 911 and the threat posed by Muslim extremists.
And yes, I was peeved at Bush for so much domestic spending, especially the NCLB Act after he promised to curtail or even eliminate the Dept. of Ed. But I can’t stomach liberals blaming him and bashing him for everything and I’m really burned up when conservatives do it. Don’t you see? If we let them, they will soon be blaming him for ALL failures of the O administration and we can’t let them get away with that.
Also, like I originally said, they do enough Bush bashing already - we really don’t have to. Everybody knows he was a reckless spender. Fine. that’s why we lost in ‘08. Let us not sink into endless recriminations and give the Dems any more ammunition.
And, yes, sometimes govt powers are expanded in wartime. We really would have had fits had we been around during the days of Pres. Lincoln. He suspended habeas corpus, among many other outrageous things at the beginning of the Civil War.
The difference now is, the GWOT, or whatever we’re calling it now, has no definite stopping point. I truly believe Bush was forced by circumstances to institute warrantless searches and wiretaps and even the clownish DHS. Remember, 911 took place because of eight years worth of unanswered attacks under B. Clinton. We were perceived as weak internationally and we suffered for it
The problem is, a perfect storm was created because these powers were in effect just as a rank socialist took office. However, much of what the O - team is now doing will carry a huge political price in ‘10. After all, his minions have proclaimed that half the U.S. population are extremists — and that includes people from all parties.
Philosophically, or rather, theologically, I believe God may have turned His back on us. I can’t think of anything which might enrage Him more thant the current sewage spewing from American sociopolitical culture: unfettered abortion, widespread pornography and the cultural acceptance of homosexuality.
No, I’m not condeming anyone. I believe homosexuals are taxpayers too and should have all the rights anyone else has. However, the constant demand to normalize homosexuality, I believe, is wrong. Teaching children it’s just another “lifestyle” choice, gay ministers, gay Scout masters and all the rest will eventually redound to our demise, IMHO.
So, sure. I’d love to have a drink with you. I don’t drink alcohol, so I’ll have an IBC root beer instead.
And, yes, I know. Another popular plan is to dump Christians in order to create a “big tent” for the Repub party. But, somehow, I think we would become what we beheld in the Dems — a value free, morally relativistic, situational ethics supporting party based on human frailty and secular humanism. For if my morality is only based on my opinion and yours only based on yours, there’s ultimately no difference. And, big spending Repubs aside, that’s what will destroy our party, our freedom and our country.
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
wow Warrior you said a lot in that post!
Doc Holliday Sunday, May 3rd at 2:51AM EDT (link)Trust me, as much as I regret Bush’s overall lack of a small government philosophy, I still respect the man very much. Like I said, I still have his sticker on my car, the McCain one went off the day after the election.
I am also a student of history, my sheepskin says History on it. You are quite correct about Lincoln and things do change in war when you are trying to defend the homeland. Our bureaucracy did not work before 9/11 and Bush did his best to fix that, unfortunately that created more bureaucracy. I was not a full bore anti Patriot Act type, but I did say our political enemies might use the power against us in the future.
I am a Christian but I don’t believe God has turned against us. The reason is that I don’t believe God protects nations and destroys them, too much evil has occurred in history to think God protects the good against the bad. I do respect all belief systems though, and I do agree our nation has become decadent, and that is a major reason why we are struggling so. To me God inspires men to do great things. It might sound lame, but I truly believe that God helps those who help themselves. In other words, He will not protect your life or culture, but He will inspire you to do just that.
BTW, IBC is good stuff
Molon Labe!
it might be your browser Warrior
Doc Holliday Sunday, May 3rd at 2:53AM EDT (link)all I do is type the emoticon symbol and it shows the smiley. I am using Firefox. BTW, you don’t here the Doc saying “smiley” often.
Molon Labe!
Or it might be because he's putting a space
TNJim Sunday, May 3rd at 3:14AM EDT (link)between the colon and the parentheses. Try leaving the space out, Warrior, that may work.
“No. You can’t” -Moe Lane
you are probably right tn
Doc Holliday Sunday, May 3rd at 5:05AM EDT (link)but I wanted Warrior to think I am smart
I know history, guns, geography and stocks, but not HTML.
Molon Labe!
Reagan's spending didn't leave his party in a shambles
Vegas_Rick Saturday, May 2nd at 5:51PM EDT (link)But then he didn’t bring us such wonders as No Child Left Behind, the Prescription drug windfall and TARP. Yeah, Bush left the party in a shambles. But he didn’t do it alone, the Republican spenders in the House and Senate have their big share of the blame.
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
so true Rick
Doc Holliday Saturday, May 2nd at 6:05PM EDT (link)Frist probably did more to hurt the party than anyone. He tried to use his power to gain favor in Iowa, he wanted to be president. The disastrous results left him out in the cold, banished for good.
Molon Labe!
What's up Doc?
Warrior Saturday, May 2nd at 10:59PM EDT (link)Now you’re agreeing that it probably wasn’t exclusively Bush who left the party in “shambles.” What a difference an hour makes.
Welcome to the fight.
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
Would you rather have had Gore or Kerry
Warrior Saturday, May 2nd at 10:57PM EDT (link)Yeah, Bush pushed a lot of stupid programs. But let’s not bash him because Obama is a power hungry socialist. BHO & Co. would have found another way to surveil and harrass political opponents just as B. Clinton did, as I’ve already pointed out at least once in this “discussion.”
And various past administrations used Hoover to watch and arrest political opponents as well.
Please, Please, Please — let’s not join Maureen Dowd, Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric in blaming Bush for everything but the Chicago fire.
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
No, I would not have rather had Gore or Kerry.
mbecker908 Saturday, May 2nd at 11:34PM EDT (link)But that doesn’t change the fact that GWB destroyed the Republican Brand by exercising exactly zero leadership his last five years in office and what passed for leadership in the first three on the domestic front amounted to nothing more that giving the Ds their wish lists. Plus, Bush’s utter incompetence at both domestic policy and politics gave us Obama.
To Kowalski...
mbecker908 Saturday, May 2nd at 11:53PM EDT (link)Asking whether Gore or Kerry would have been better than Bush is like asking a healthy man if he would prefer to die young from cancer, heart disease or a liver disorder. The result is the same in all cases, early and painful death.
You must be joking
Warrior Sunday, May 3rd at 12:16AM EDT (link)Do you remember that giant sighing sound of relief after 911 when ALL Americans were thanking GOD in Heaven that Bush was president rather than Gore.
Had Gore been pres, we would have sent over a team of crack lawyers to determine the environmental impact of the WTC towers crumbling and sued the Taliban in International Court.
Meanwhile, back at home, we would have endured several more ingenious attacks at the hands these terrorists who moved freely throughout the U.S. during the Clinton years because Jamie Goerlich had written and B. Clintol effectuated the “Wall memo.” (”We don’t need to learn how to land, just to take off and fly around.”)
Or worse, Kerry or Gore might themselves have instituted a draconian repeal of civil rights far in excess of anything Bush did (think “let no good crisis go to waste.”) And either Dem would have been given plenty of cover by an army of syncophantic stooges in a compliant liberal media.
Think about it, 911 was a far more serious and imminent danger to the U.S. than an economic downturn. And even if it wasn’t, the media would have convinced everyone that “these measures are necessary to keep us safe.” B. Clinton even expressed regret that such a tragedy didn’t occur on his watch.
You need to quit drinking that Kool-Aid or whatever it is you’re doing.
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
And I've said repeatedly that the one area Bush did a great job with
mbecker908 Sunday, May 3rd at 12:11PM EDT (link)is foreign policy. At least up to late 2003 when he decided to hide under his desk and let the Democrats and the media have a free run. I’ve absolutely and consistently supported Bush’s actions after 911 (although I would have rather he ignored the UN, but I can live with that). My problem has consistently been his action on the domestic front and his inaction in defending his correct policies and giving the Ds the bully pulpit.
I’m not drinking anything, but black coffee, and I simply realize that “leadership” wasn’t in GWB’s lexicon. The guy destroyed the Republican Party and set the stage for Obama.
Leadership
Warrior Monday, May 4th at 4:59PM EDT (link)In some matters maybe, but not in others - agreed.
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
Nonsense
Warrior Saturday, May 2nd at 11:58PM EDT (link)GWB could have done nothing without willing accomplices in Congress, as has already been pointed out. And I wouldn’t exactly call rebuilding the military, rebuilding the intelligence service, winning the wars in Iraq and Afganistan against unremitting pressure from the Dems and the Lib media and keeping us safe from another domestic terror attack for the past eight years “zero leadership.”
And we bash “Bush’s utter incompetence” for things like the NCLB Act, which I deplore on grounds of principle. However, your comments only show that you have been duped by a selective media. NCLB has achieved much of its’ intended goal - scores are rising — with no thanks to the NEA or AFT, who actively opposed the measure from the beginning.
As previously mentioned, Bush didn’t pass Rx meds for seniors, NCLB and all the rest of “the D’s wish list” by himself. It’s a sick party from stem to stern, with few exceptions. So, let’s QUIT BASHING BUSH FOR IT.
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
You are living the legacy of GWB. Hope you like it. nt
mbecker908 Sunday, May 3rd at 12:13PM EDT (link)I'm living the lagacy
Warrior Monday, May 4th at 5:02PM EDT (link)of Bill Clinton. Yes, I agree that Bush had failings. Fine. Let’s make a poster with his picture on it, stomp onit, spit on it and set fire to it. But at some point we really need to STOP BASHING BUSH.
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
my response was not personally directed at you red
Doc Holliday Thursday, April 30th at 11:09PM EDT (link)I just needed a place to respond. I think your post was amusing.
Molon Labe!
How about a Contact Name at DHS for your...
furious Wednesday, April 29th at 1:42AM EDT (link)…congressman:
Name, phone number and email address at the whois entry for the IP address.
“Let them watch — they’ll get bored” — yes, and then they’ll phony up something incriminating, or else “put you in the system”. so that your tax returns get flagged or you get pulled aside for special attention at boarding gates or Customs.
They’re probably montoring this board now….=:-O
–furious
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” — Darth Vader
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PridianPontification Wednesday, April 29th at 1:13PM EDT (link)I’ve had spooks of various flavors dialing in my personal site for years now. No wonder the Govt. is so big, they have to keep track of random citizens
If you're a veteran...
Robert A. Hahn Thursday, April 30th at 1:03AM EDT (link)I’m the webmaster for a certain group of veterans. I ran the IP address you provided through the page log. 51 visits since the beginning of the year.
Drink Good Coffee. You can sleep when you’re dead.
I'm sure to be on "the list" too.
AHALgal Thursday, April 30th at 2:46PM EDT (link)Let them track me.
Let them spy on me.
Let them try to mess with my finances.
I will never be afraid of them. I serve a God much more powerful than their idle threats and PR schemes.
Daniel 6:23 is all the cover I need.
Join the RedState Strike Force
I bet you could get an interview on Hannity or Glenn Beck to tell your story if you tried
its_a_right_wing_thing Thursday, April 30th at 5:10PM EDT (link)of course, then you’d be further blacklisted but then again, so is that lady from Chicago probably who challenged CNN…..
I think your first mistake was sending those emails to the Tea Party chair instead of simply showing up as many people likely did.
How to tell if you are really being watched...
Lee Hempfling Thursday, April 30th at 5:26PM EDT (link)See the posting in the follow up to this thread on how to tell if you are really being watched and what methods you can use in your site to track the traffic to know. This is the link
http://www.redstate.com/jorgie714/2009/04/29/update-%e2%80%93-look-who-else-is-snooping-on-my-website-more-government-snoops/
http://www.rollovermartin.com | http://www.havearoach.com
These are difficult times.
johnminehan Saturday, May 2nd at 2:49PM EDT (link)The vast majority of the “Tea Party People’ are trying to demonstrate their concern and their belief in the system. There is nothing more American than protest, even if I don’t agree with your position. (Maybe especially then.)
At least we won't be tortured
gonzo55 Saturday, May 2nd at 4:33PM EDT (link)…when we’re taken to TheOne’s reeducation camps. Unless he’s a hypocrite about that too.
“Facts are stubborn things” — Ronald Wilson Reagan
You haven't read the fine print about torture
civil_truth Saturday, May 2nd at 4:38PM EDT (link)Obama won’t use torture against foreigners who are fighting against the U.S.
He never said anything about not using torture against U.S. citizens whom he declares to be “enemies of the state”.
And Rightly So!
I hope I'm being watched...
mbdam123 Saturday, May 2nd at 6:36PM EDT (link)Maybe I can teach Napolitano how the Constitution works… I assume she’s never really read it. http://publius772000.wordpress.com
Clinton's Legacy: 9/11
Warrior Tuesday, May 5th at 9:59AM EDT (link)Yes, we are all living WJClinton’s legacy. He disassembled the intelligence service, starved the military and threw up the “Wall” memo to protect his illegal dealings w/the Chinese. He also failed to respond (except in sterile, non-systematic attacks on aspirin factories as cover for domestic scandals) to eight years of terrorist attacks, thereby encouraging them.
Did Bush make mistake in responding to the results of Clinton’s legacy (9/11)? Of course, just as FDR made mistakes responding to Pear Harbor — Japanese Internment Camps, for instance. However, would that have justified Truman in throwing political opponents into internment camps? Hardly.
And so it is w/BHO using wartime/crisis powers against his own population. It cannot and should not be blamed on President George Walker Bush.
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…