She was young and fully consumed in ideals she clearly was not used to defending from those bent derriding her faith. She did her best to defend her principles in that situation,

That said she did not necessarily say she would give up the child to the Nazis. She side stepped the question by suggesting she had faith God would give her a way out without having to resort to deception.

Again, the primary is over, or is there somthing from her high school diary you want to share.

The source of the quote is a blog with a pretty obvious viewpoint — which isn’t bad, per se. However, the extracted quote hangs there without little support.

Her point about the truth is valid.

Your point about the righteousness of those that did lie to the Nazis to protect Jewish refugees is a pretty extreme example, worthy of some additional thought and discussion, which I believe as a Senator, she would be capable of navigating quite well.

I agree with dvdmsr: just give it a rest.

I am not saying you are wrong, it could be right. But the facts are we support the Republican and NEVER support the Dem. You are taking claims on the ‘net to be Gospel, so to speak. Why are you doing this, what is your motive. You think the left will support Israel?

so I am guessing you are right. She looked and sounded like a Valley Girl in those clips. What possessed (pun intended) her to do this I have no idea. It seems like she was very young and wanted to be on tv.

If you are asking me to say: “well I never!” you will have a long wait. We can either vote for a conservative with a really weird PUBLIC past or a leftist who will help Obama destroy the nation. I will support the conservative because I am not worried about her family values. I want her to REDUCE the size of government, so the peccadilloes of congresscritters will not harm my pursuit of happiness.

What is she going to do here, turn in Ann Frank? Is she going to make witchcraft the national religion? this is my problem with some “values voters” they have no perspective. I want Christine to be one more conservative vote, one more vote for Republican leadership, and that is all. I really don’t care if she is a muppet I want the Republican to win. I will support her as long as she stays in the race. No one is looking at Coons, the reason is they don’t want to find anything.

“The woman (at the time, a young woman) went on MTV and Maher and who knows where else, and said somethings that she would not say now. For that sin you are ready to toss her overboard so that you can declare yourselves to have been wiser than the unwashed voters who elected her in the primary?”

Read the whole thing.
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/09/memo-to-right-lombardi-rule-is-in.html

who will have been either on a reality show or Facebook or Twitter and ALL the things they will have said or done as young adults and you pretty much have the X generation of today and their MTV etc., things. These are NOT dis-qualifiers no more then a cocaine snorting, Black Liberation Theology, Marxist parents President were!

you’d do well to learn about it.

Mat 6:14
“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
Mat 6:15
“But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

they would do or say with a gun, or worse, pointed at their head is a liar or fool. The Bible gives us this context in the story of Peter denying Christ 3 times AFTER he assured Christ he wouldn’t. Yet, I think he turned out OK.

Second, if we disqualify people for things said before they are 30, we are in denial of our own personal histories.

Third, this diary is a worthless pile of crap and the person who wrote is wasting bandwidth and oxygen.

and should shunned by all honest people.

is important. Apparently they were talking about her being a Christian and lying being a sin. Then the question came about her lying to Nazi’s about where Jew’s were hiding. She never said she would tell the Nazi where children were hiding, but instead that God would give her the wisdom on how to not reveal anything without having to lie.

Setting history aside for a moment, you want to save the life of a hypothetical little girl by helping elect a guy who will support a President who is encouraging Iran to develop nuclear weapons to vaporize 7 million Israelis??????

This diarist cannot be serious.

Let’s leave that to the Dems. who can never be radical enough.

I didn’t work for O’Donnell, altho’ I did for Christie and Brown, and didn’t contribute to her, because I have selected Rubio and Angle for those activities, but now that O’Donnell has been elected by the PEOPLE of DE, I would make phone calls for her and promote her.

And if mentions of witchcraft and some other fringe areas are going to be matters of contention, huge numbers of women poked around in those interests under the urging of feminism in the 70s and 80s, where WICCA and other non-Christian devotions were major topics in the mainstream like the NYTimes.

You people here on Redstate all seem to be about 35-40 years old, mostly altho’ not all male, and living in the constant present (please do not be insulted if my assessment is wrong, as I don’t mean it as a negative, but as a touch stone for reference) and unaware or cognizant of the variety of typical human experience even among the middle class throughout the US over time, especially in the late 20th C.

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I am, as O’Donnell is, a Catholic. Many of her stances, including some controversial ones, reveal she’s loyal to the teaching and doctrine of the Church. She only gets kudos from me for speaking out on these topics and defending the official positions of Roman Catholicism, Many of us, including me, turn coward too often.

However, in this particular case, she clearly diverts from the Catholic theology. Lying isn’t always sinful.

As the Cathecism teaches us:

The right to the communication of the truth is not unconditional. Everyone must conform his life to the Gospel precept of fraternal love. This requires us in concrete situations to judge whether or not it is appropriate to reveal the truth to someone who asks for it.

Charity and respect for the truth should dictate the response to every request for information or communication. The good and safety of others, respect for privacy, and the common good are sufficient reasons for being silent about what ought not be known or for making use of a discreet language.The duty to avoid scandal often commands strict discretion. No one is bound to reveal the truth to someone who does not have the right to know it

So,

The golden rule helps one discern, in concrete situations, whether or not it would be appropriate to reveal the truth to someone who asks for it.

However, this hasn’t always been the doctrine of Catholicism. St. Augustine hold the position that lying was always unlawful and that naked truth should always be said regardless of the consequences. The scholastics challenged this opinion – St. Raymund of Pennafort wrote a the major-opus on this issue in his Summa – but it remained the official position of the Church from the Middle Ages until the aggiornamento in spite of the declared opposition of many Catholic thinkers.

Anyway, right now her position, for all its pedigree – it’s what not only Augustine but also St. Thomas defended and I’m not going into that but they present extremely strong theological and rational arguments – is not the one taught by the Church of Rome.

Forget it. The good thing is that Castle is gone. As for witchcraft, how can the Left attack her for this- it’s religious intolerance!

The Democrats have Alvin Greene, we do not need to ashamed.

I don’t think Coons will bother to put up attack ads, but an add contrasting this statement with the one about winning 2 counties in the elections would probably be fatal to her campaign.

Memo to the Right: “The Lombardi Rule” Is In Effect

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/09/memo-to-right-lombardi-rule-is-in.html

To those on the right playing into the Think Progress and Media Matters playbook because they think it makes them look wise, don’t you see the game?

The left is doing to O’Donnell exactly what they did to Sharron Angle — swamp her with accusations and nonsense in the days after the primary to keep her from organizing her campaign. The Nevada primary was months ago, so Angle had a chance to recover. O’Donnell doesn’t have that luxury of time given the late primary. She needs to integrate millions of dollars in new cash, gear up with staff, and plan her attack.

With each of your self-righteous columns and snide blog posts, you become part of the problem not part of the solution.

Isn’t that next question??? The policy is all females go home if they are pregnant..so can the mother/married female prisoner have marital type of relations with the guard to conceive… .the child will loved an cared for raised by the prisoner/husband at home. That is usually what comes next after the lying to the nazis about the kid hiding question.
I’m sorry no woman is going to turn over a child to someone that wants to harm them..what nonsense this is. I want every person in DC to show their college papers from ethics class if this is ever brought up again. I can’t believe more GOP folks aren’t defending her against this nonsense. In country where the abortifacient drugs and abortion and euthenasia is legal and a president that had an affair with young subordinate they are dragging this out???? She must be a good kid if this is what they have to attack her with..what nonsense.
And my gosh we have REAL ethical situations that need to be answered by Christians for right now, the person that asked her on this talk show should be ashamed of themself. Why don’t they go sit on a hospital ethics committee for a few months and see what people really deal with right now.

and the autobiographical book/movie about her family’s work as part of the Dutch underground during WWII, named The Hiding Place.

One of the points of the book was that the Ten Booms refused to lie when their house was raided (as it was, multiple times) — trusting God that He would provide a way of escape. According to the book, the Nazis never actually asked “Are you harboring Jews in your home” — and thus, although they had decided not to lie, they never had to.

While Corrie attributes this to supernatural protection for the Jews and Resistance fighters hidden in her bedroom, that protection did not extend to the family itself. Eventually, the entire family was taken into custody and Corrie herself was, I think, the sole survivor.

I don’t know if I’d have enough faith to make the same decisions they did…

I just have two criticisms of Ms. O’Donnell on this point: (1) without the background (The Hiding Place and its themes were common currency for evangelicals of her — and my — age) those statements sound REALLY bad — instead of an expression of faith in God’s sovereignty and protection. So…she shoulda known better than to say it without LOTS of explanation in a hostile forum like Bill Meyer’s HBO show. And (2), it takes a LOT of hubris to assert that she WOULD act as Corrie Ten Boom did. She might HOPE to — but without actually having faced the choice, that’s a really arrogant statement to make.

O’Donnell’s various statements ensure that college dorm room discussions will become passe in political circles once more. Perhaps we can debate whether God can make a rock so large he can’t move it, as well *facepalm*

I concur with the sentiment behind the Thomas Jefferson quote: “But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” If O’Donnell engaged in some dorm room discussion on morality on national television, what is it to us? Despite my reservations concerning O’Donnell, I highly doubt that she’s itching to outlaw masturbation, witchery, or lying. I know for a fact that Coons would like to make it harder for me and mine to live our lives as we see fit, and that he would make it harder for us to defend ourselves (both nationally and individually) from those who would take away that right. Perhaps that, and not O’Donnell’s wacky views, should be the fringe, and treated as such.

Folks, lets be honest here. I’m not going to try to look into her soul or hold her accountable for every youthful indiscretion.

So let examine her NOW. To me, she seems rather indiscreet and injudicious, basically she just doesn’t know when to shut up.

Its one thing to state that you believe self-gratification is wrong. Those agree, will continue to do so-others will resort to the predictable leftist BS. The point is, that’s hardly relevant to the public debate. Then she gets into a how-many-angels -can-dance on the head of a pin argument about lying to Nazis is just DUMB. I’m no theologian, but I know the looser your carry the ball-the more the other team’s linebackers (the MSM) try to put it on the turf.

Now we have this disclosure about witchcraft. Since she’s a Catholic, that sounds like a matter to discuss with her confessor. We all do stupid/wrong things. Most of us know that absolute public candor is self-impeaching and foolish.

A politician needs to know when to shut up. Ms. O’Donnell doesn’t. It doesn’t mean she is evil, or has nothing to offer, but getting attention and being credible are two different things. For those of us outside of Delaware, we need to think about where to allocate our limited-and all the more so since Obamanomics.. Do we spend it on somebody that constantly self-indicts or support the nominee in Alaska? I’m sending money to Alaska.

Sure there’s a lot of energy tied up here. Castle is/was a disaster.
However, there comes point when an investment starts to present a lot of risk and you need to know when to bail.

Are we seriously discussing something she said in HIGH SCHOOL that has no relevance to us – and somehow that’s more important than what the Dems want to do to us now? I think some of you need to come back into reality.

To summarize my response:

1. Yes, she’s a million times better than the Democrat
2. She is certainly more conservative than Castle
3. I don’t know why Castle didn’t endorse – he might well just be a bad loser (and that certainly seems to play a part anyway)

BUT

She did say some unbelievably stupid things, and even at that age should have known better. They provide fodder for the Left to paint everyone even slightly of the right as crazy.

She should make it clear that these statements were the folly of youth and misrepresent her position, and should clarify and move on. If she doesn’t, she is abusing the sacred trust Delaware voters have put in her by nominating her by making it such that there is no sensible option for conservatives on the ballot.

I hope I’m wrong about her, and it goes without saying that she’s far better than the Democrat. But if I were in the position to be endorsing candidates, I’d say that I still have serious concerns that would need to be met before I could back her officially.

O’Donnell may have issues that will make her hard to elect. But how many people here voted for John McCain for president. Whether you stayed at home or voted for the libertarian candidate, of course you didn’t vote for “Change,” but most people here were not happy with the Republican choice.

It is the same in Delaware. The stronger candidate won. The winning candidate never voted to impeach President Bush. The winning candidate would never vote for cap and tax. The winning candidate would not vote for a stimulus plan that destroyed the budget or a Health Care Plan that will bankrupt the country.

People seem to miss the message here. We the people are not going to support the big government, big spending, high taxing policies of the pelosi, reed crowd, Castle was part of that crowd.

But your attacking O’Donnell here on the Nazis statement is reflects lack of clear thinking on your part.

It was too long for a comment, but here’s my diary response

Rescuing O’Donnell from the “Lying to save a child from the Nazis” quagmire