I’m not talking about the mere physical attractiveness of Alaska’s governor, though she has been blessed with an abundance of that gift. Palin was a competitor in the 1984 Miss Alaska beauty pageant after being named Miss Wasilla earlier that year, where she also won Miss Congeniality honors.
No, what I’m dicussing here is beauty in the political sense - as in the beauty of what John McCain, if he’s smart and willing to make a really bold move, could accomplish by naming Governor Palin as his running mate for the presidential election.
Those making the case for Palin as GOP VP nominee include Jack Kelly on Real Clear Politics, American Spectator’s Thomas Cheplick, Bill Krtistol and Fred Barnes of The Weekly Standard and Anchorage Daily News columnist William Ruger.
A number of bloggers have added their voices to the chorus in praise of Alaska’s governor. Just a few examples can be found here, here and here.
There are websites devoted to promoting Palin for the Republican vice presidential nomination - Sarah Palin for America, Palin For VP, and Draft Sarah Palin for Vice President. There are even web ads made independently on her behalf. You can view them here, here and here.
There no need for me to echo all of the arguments made by those cited here for Sarah Palin. But I would like to add some perspective.
With energy and oil prices at the top of the nation’s current domestic concerns, and with energy independence tied closely to national security at a time when Russia, America’s old nemisis, is again on the rise, it is critical for McCain to have someone on his ticket who can speak with authority about energy. Palin demonstrates her command of the subject in this video clip from Glenn Beck’s TV show.
Also, in one of the most under-reported news stories in recent weeks, Gov. Palin has accomplished a feat which has eluded the U.S. Congress for many years. She has pushed through the Alaska legislature a natural gas pipeline project which will bring new supply and price relief to the lower 48:
On Aug. 1, the same day the call for a vote on drilling began on the House floor, the Alaska state Senate approved a package of measures to license a new natural gas pipeline. House Bill 3001 lets Palin award the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act license to TransCanada Alaska, a pipeline builder that cast a winning bid of five.
The legislature had been trying for 30 years to authorize something like this and, up until now, had blown it. Palin got it through. Getting it off the ground, the state says, will be the biggest construction project in U.S. history.
Palin considers the $26 billion project her biggest accomplishment as governor. “It was not easy,” she told IBD. “Alaska has been hoping and dreaming for a natural gas pipeline for decades. What it took was getting off the dime and creating a competitive market in Alaska.”
The 1,715-mile gas line would stretch from Alaska’s North Slope to Fairbanks and down to Alberta, Canada. Then it would take existing gas lines to Idaho. In 10 years, Palin says, the lower 48 states would receive 4.5 million cubic feet of natural gas a day. By 2030, according to Energy Department estimates, Alaska’s annual natgas production would quintuple to 2 trillion cubic feet.
With the voters seeing nothing being done but congressional bickering on the energy front, Sarah Palin can point to this accomplishment to show that she’s a “can do” leader on energy, something no other potential GOP vice presidential nominee can boast of right now. That’s what the electorate is looking for, and this would make Palin a valuable asset to McCain’s campaign.
But I’ve saved the best for last. The Democrats can hardly criticize Gov. Palin’s resume as being too thin without calling attention to Obama’s own limited experience. And that perhaps, is the real beauty of Sarah Palin.
- JP
She had a wide lead in Instapundit's VP poll last night,
jonlester Sunday, August 17th at 9:41PM EDT (link)which I thought interesting since many in the media seem to want to disregard any mention of her on McCain’s “short list.”
She’s not perfect; she wasn’t all about “drill here, drill now, pay less” when she pushed a raise in AK state taxes on the oil companies, but I think she’s the only smart choice for McCain if he wants to win. He needs an experienced executive whose border states are Canada and Russia.
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Has nobody heard of her problems?
Commodore Perry Monday, August 18th at 9:34AM EDT (link)I love Palin’s politics as much as the next conservative, but she has her own scandal to deal with at the moment, which I have almost not seen any mention of on RedState.
Apparently, she tried to use her influence to fire her sister’s ex, who is a state trooper. Link here.
I don’t know if this scandal is true or not, and I don’t really know if it’s something worth brew-ha-ha-ing over in a presidential election. But right now, the Dems are having problems finding anything to poke at with McCain besides his age (which they are also failing at, mostly). Why take this risk?
DONT GIVE UP THE SHIP
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I did a blog on her problems here:
Achance Monday, August 18th at 10:10AM EDT (link)http://www.redstate.com/diaries/achance/2008/jul/19/reality-mugs-governor-palin/
Her problem with this isn’t that what she did, if you assume it is all true, was illegal or anything more that just a political blunder, it’s just that she and her minions won’t put down the shovel. Every time she or someone close to her opens their mouth, there’s a new equivocation or contradiction. Now she’s compounded it by drawing an Ethics Act complaint about a hire in Fairbanks among other things. She responded to a Public Records Act request for emails by redacting all sorts of stuff from over a thousand of them asserting privileges that won’t survive much past the courthouse door.
Again, if she did everything her critics say she did, it doesn’t amount to much other than some political hamfistedness, but she has acted so guilty and defensive about it that lots of her opponents and rivals got that first and very satisfying whiff of blood in the water. Sarah Palin has left a lot of dead and wounded in the tracks of her march to power; those still kicking aren’t going to cut her any slack.
In Vino Veritas
Palin
RNJen Sunday, August 31st at 3:54AM EDT (link)All, in all though JP, she truly is a beautiful person. I think she is going to be a huge benefit to the McCain campaign. She is devoted to her family, no “real dirt” to dig up on her, so critics are trying to go after her “hard ball” tactics. She seems like a no-nonsense person, and I think that is just what we need.
She seems to be an exceptional speaker. I think she will attract many voters. A lot of younger people who are uneducated on politics folks flock to Obama because he can motivate, however, when you look at the “meat” of his speeches, he is very non-commital and really doesn’t “say” anything. She too is a very motivational speaker, and really answers questions directly (unlike Obama who skirts around the issues raised) and always has the audience captivated.
I think her personality alone is captivating. When I saw she was a lifetime NRA member, I knew I was sold!
I have several friends that are very active in politics who were questioning if they would even vote this election because they were not sold on McCain at all. Now that they have seen Palin speak they are sold 100% and will definately be voting McCain in November.
Pro Family?
Kathychey Sunday, August 31st at 4:20AM EDT (link)I am not sure Sarah Palin is a wise choice. Her claim of pro family seems false when you consider that when she becomes VP she will be abandoning her family more or less, and that includes her infant son. The position will require her full commitment to the job, so doesn’t that make her family come last? This does not seem pro family to me.
What an unbelievably sexist comment.
c17wife Sunday, August 31st at 4:23AM EDT (link)Would you feel the same way if Todd Palin were the nominee?
Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God.~Mike Pence
55555
29Victor Sunday, August 31st at 4:28AM EDT (link)‘zactly.
NOT PRO FAMILY???
RNJen Sunday, August 31st at 4:51AM EDT (link)“Kathychey August 31st, 2008 at 4:20 a.m. (link)
I am not sure Sarah Palin is a wise choice. Her claim of pro family seems false when you consider that when she becomes VP she will be abandoning her family more or less, and that includes her infant son. The position will require her full commitment to the job, so doesn’t that make her family come last? This does not seem pro family to me.”
Are you kidding me?!??!?!?!?! She has five children. She seems to have a very solid relationship with Todd. They seem to be by her side constantly and there are numerous pictures on the web of her on the fishing boat with her husband in Alaska, as well as her family and she doing all sorts of activities. I saw a picture yesterday of her and her children at the Philadelphia Zoo.
That is one of the most sexist comments I have ever heard. Do me a favor, please, google: images of Sarah Palin and her family.
I think it is extremely harsh to say she will be abandoning her family. When you have a strong spousal relationship built on God, you adapt and overcome and serve your life for a higher calling. She must have felt “called” into politics. Was it abandoning her family when she was mayor, or governor? It appears she and her husband have a very close relationship, they began as high school sweet hearts.
Who is to say they won’t be with her? That is absurd. I am sure she is not just going to abandon them. They appear so close knit.
There are so many careers in America today that draw mothers/fathers out of town, does that mean they are any more or less “profamily?” How do you measure the quality of a family life. There are families that spend countless hours together and yet have a huge wall between them because they never talk to each other. So please, tell me, what is the pro-family scale.
Agree!
Rod_Patrick Sunday, August 31st at 4:52AM EDT (link)If Kathychey is a woman, such comment is too unfortunate. Her idea of family is too “FAR LEFT”. In a modern conservative family, everyone has to take care of each other. The Father and the big kids take care of the young ones too, not just the Mother.
Plus, Katheychey has forgotten that the office of Governorship is 100% full-time work for Palin. And in reality, it’s more demanding than just like the Senatorial and VP positions. The lives of the people in the State are really relying on the Governor’s leadership.
On the other hand, Senators are on policy, legislations, and sorry 50% rhetorics. In short,
AT PRESENT, SARAH PALIN’S JOB AS GOVERNOR IS MORE DEMANDING AND CRUCIAL AS COMPARED TO ANY SENATORS… INCLUDING MCCAIN AND OBAMA.
Thanks to Sarah: She’s doing her job with 84% approval by the Alaskans (never mind the envious republicans and democrats).
Agree. She loves her young baby boy so much even though she knows the difficulty of raising such as child.
Rod_Patrick Sunday, August 31st at 5:09AM EDT (link)SHE’S REALLY MY KIND OF CONSERVATIVE!
And that Obama's worse
qlangley Sunday, August 31st at 3:29PM EDT (link)He wants to abandon his family to become President. Bush did that too - his girls were just teenagers when he abandoned them. And Clinton, and Carter, of course.
Say, why not amend the Constitution so that no-one with children under 18 can run for any political office? That would be the ‘pro-family’ position, right?
Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net
55555 - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, August 31st at 3:51PM EDT (link)5
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
[this twit is a dipstick]
kym Sunday, August 31st at 8:40PM EDT (link)kymghee@sbcglobal.net is a dipstick. Apparently, kymghee@sbcglobal.net roams sites posting this squalid bit of calumny. What a piece of dross you are, kymghee@sbcglobal.net.
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kym Sunday, August 31st at 8:43PM EDT (link)kymghee@sbcglobal.net
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Moron
bs Sunday, August 31st at 8:44PM EDT (link)Go back to Kos, you slimebag.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
Steaming Pile aisle 1
SteveLA Sunday, August 31st at 8:44PM EDT (link)Cleanup required.
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Serious stinking trash over here....someone take it out!
JadedByPolitics Sunday, August 31st at 8:45PM EDT (link)thanks.
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Amazing that you people have no shame in
janis Sunday, August 31st at 8:48PM EDT (link)trying to ruin the lives of two innocent young girls for political profit.
All your slanderous screeching says is that you are deeply afraid of what a stellar candidate Governor Sarah Palin is for the GOP.
So says the poster child...
Putter Sunday, August 31st at 8:48PM EDT (link)for abortion.
Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies…
Actually, read the papers. Alaskans DO NOT think she is ready
kym Sunday, August 31st at 8:52PM EDT (link)Her coworkers, friends and fundraisers in Alaska say that while she is charming and kind, she is NO WHERE near ready for VP let alone Pres if that were to happen. I know you guys think she is pretty but she was a terrible, terrible choice. I will be horrified if she is president. Honestly, is this a nightmare or just a bad joke? How can anyone honestly say that this woman is ready to lead this country? Olympia Snowe, yes. Bailey-Richardson, yes. And a host of other prolife women. But let’s just be honest, just because someone is nice and prolife does not make them a qualified candidate. And I am amazed at the fact that people are going to pretend she is just because she is prolife. So not wise. So hypocritical. I have to be real and say the truth. She is a VERY inappropriate choice and I truly think this is insane that he picked her. I dont care that I am republican, I care that we have a solid leader and she is just not ready and not qualified.
Actually, read the papers. Alaskans DO NOT think she is ready
kym Sunday, August 31st at 8:52PM EDT (link)Her coworkers, friends and fundraisers in Alaska say that while she is charming and kind, she is NO WHERE near ready for VP let alone Pres if that were to happen. I know you guys think she is pretty but she was a terrible, terrible choice. I will be horrified if she is president. Honestly, is this a nightmare or just a bad joke? How can anyone honestly say that this woman is ready to lead this country? Olympia Snowe, yes. Bailey-Richardson, yes. And a host of other prolife women. But let’s just be honest, just because someone is nice and prolife does not make them a qualified candidate. And I am amazed at the fact that people are going to pretend she is just because she is prolife. So not wise. So hypocritical. I have to be real and say the truth. She is a VERY inappropriate choice and I truly think this is insane that he picked her. I dont care that I am republican, I care that we have a solid leader and she is just not ready and not qualified.
Please please share
SteveLA Sunday, August 31st at 8:52PM EDT (link)I really wish the Directors would publish the email addresses used by these wonderful creatures to register when they are summarily ejected.
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Is anyone wielding the blamstick today, or is
janis Sunday, August 31st at 8:56PM EDT (link)that seriously screwed up, too? Been a really frustrating day here.
Is everybody who can take the trash outside to the can at the convention?
JadedByPolitics Sunday, August 31st at 8:56PM EDT (link)nt
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
You can read...wow!
SteveLA Sunday, August 31st at 8:57PM EDT (link)Did you read about “The One” working to preserve infanticide in Ill?
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Moe? Neil? Anyone? Can we get this piece of human excrement out of here?
bs Sunday, August 31st at 8:59PM EDT (link)Soon?
Decorum is fo’ suckas
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kym Sunday, August 31st at 9:01PM EDT (link)kymghee@sbcglobal.net
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I wish...
Putter Sunday, August 31st at 9:02PM EDT (link)the directors would close registrations for a while. Either that, or deputize some exterminators.
Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies…
Get thee behind me Democrat!
Michael Dugas Sunday, August 31st at 9:03PM EDT (link)So you felt the need to register here 25 minutes ago to make hateful unsubstantiated accusations against a woman
you don’t know. Where’s your proof? You think an ENTIRE hospital with all it’s nurses and doctors would take part in such a deception and believe they could keep it secret? You are walking talking proof of what’s wrong with liberals. You are hateful deceitful people who will stoop at nothing to force your doctrine of selfishness and hate down everyone’s throats. Get thee behind me Democrat!
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
I only scored 17 on the Obama Test
Get thee behind me Democrat!
Michael Dugas Sunday, August 31st at 9:07PM EDT (link)So you felt the need to register here 25 minutes ago to make hateful unsubstantiated accusations against a woman
you don’t know. Where’s your proof? You think an ENTIRE hospital with all it’s nurses and doctors would take part in such a deception and believe they could keep it secret? You are walking talking proof of what’s wrong with liberals. You are hateful deceitful people who will stoop at nothing to force your doctrine of selfishness and hate down everyone’s throats. Get thee behind me Democrat!
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
I only scored 17 on the Obama Test
Get thee behind me Democrat!
Michael Dugas Sunday, August 31st at 9:07PM EDT (link)So you felt the need to register here 25 minutes ago to make hateful unsubstantiated accusations against a woman
you don’t know. Where’s your proof? You think an ENTIRE hospital with all it’s nurses and doctors would take part in such a deception and believe they could keep it secret? You are walking talking proof of what’s wrong with liberals. You are hateful deceitful people who will stoop at nothing to force your doctrine of selfishness and hate down everyone’s throats. Get thee behind me Democrat!
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
I only scored 17 on the Obama Test
Nope, not afraid in the least. Just sick to
janis Sunday, August 31st at 9:07PM EDT (link)death of people like you who will use anything and anyone to try and accomplish your goal. You do your master proud, you know? Obama’s followers are the most foul-mouthed, foul-minded group I have ever encountered.
And to think we thought the Paultards were seriously stupid. Congratulate yourself–you’ve outdone them.
Yeah, I don't think you want one of these behind you, Mike.
janis Sunday, August 31st at 9:09PM EDT (link)You want them way out in front of you where you can keep an eye on them. Besides, it’s really hard to leave tread marks on them if they are behind you.
5 5 5 to janis!
JadedByPolitics Sunday, August 31st at 9:11PM EDT (link)nt
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Sorry about the multiple posts
Michael Dugas Sunday, August 31st at 9:12PM EDT (link)Having some problems with the web site tonight, possibly traffic issues? I am getting that 500-Internal Server Error alot.
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
I only scored 17 on the Obama Test
Lol, you are probably right janis!
Michael Dugas Sunday, August 31st at 9:18PM EDT (link)Was just a play on the Bible’s “Get thee behind me Satan.” Seemed relevant to the posters statement.
Also I’d rather leave footprints than tire tracks, more personally satisfying!
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
I only scored 17 on the Obama Test
Negative Palin Comments
Freedoms Truth Sunday, August 31st at 9:21PM EDT (link)Are all coming from people with signins like …
Kathychey
Registered 16 hours, 58 minutes ago
Way to go trolls. You are really signalling your desperation by trashing a fine candidate in shallow and pathetic ways that make NO sense.
We can see right through it. We know real conservatives were pushing Palin for months. We know real conservatives are elated by the pick. A reformist conservative is good for the GOP and good for the nation.
It just scares the bejeezus out of you guys doesnt it. Mr “lock on winning” Obama has BLOWN IT.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep making the topic all Sarah Palin all the time. Please talk about her on blogs, on websites, everywhere. Trash her all you want. Normal people will be curious and google and find the truth, AND YOU’RE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY WHEN THEY DECIDE TO LOVE SARAH PALIN ANYWAY AND REALIZE THE OBAMA IS JUST THE FRONT-MAN FOR UGLY, HORRIBLE MEAN-SPIRITED LEFTWING PARTISANS.
Your own extremism and negativity will DESTROY the Obama campaign. Hope & change turned toxic by fearmongering and smashmouth politics.
The smart move would have been the STFU and say nothing about Palin.
McCain was right about the surge because he knows military tactics, and right now he’s just run multiple circles around Obama. Obama is a clueless dolt on military strategy. More discipline lockdown on the pick, allow media to guess wrong, timed it perfectly, Palin gave flawless intro speech (vs biden’s Barry America gaffe). And the more you talk about Palin the less we talk about the crypto-marxist empty suit barack Omera, uh, OSama, uh, Obama…
More proof McCain is ready to be CinC and Obama is not.
Freedoms Truth,
Travis Monitor - http://travismonitor.blogspot.com
Austin, TX
Thank you, ma'am. Just trying to live up to your sig line. n/t
janis Sunday, August 31st at 9:26PM EDT (link).
bitter much?
Streiff Sunday, August 31st at 9:26PM EDT (link)how does it feel to be ugly and resolved to living the rest of your pathetic life alone?
“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”
555 And keep bringing up"experience"
Michael Dugas Sunday, August 31st at 9:37PM EDT (link)So we can point out OVER and OVER how Palin has more experience than Obama and more executive experience than Biden. Obama who has done absolutely NOTHING of consequence as a US Senator and Biden who has been wrong about EVERYTHING he has said and done. Yeah keep running those pie holes Libs, that way it’ll be that much easier to get your foot in there.
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
I only scored 17 on the Obama Test
555 And keep bringing up"experience"
Michael Dugas Sunday, August 31st at 9:48PM EDT (link)So we can point out OVER and OVER how Palin has more experience than Obama and more executive experience than Biden. Obama who has done absolutely NOTHING of consequence as a US Senator and Biden who has been wrong about EVERYTHING he has said and done. Yeah keep running those pie holes Libs, that way it’ll be that much easier to get your foot in there.
Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”
I only scored 17 on the Obama Test
Yes Executive Experience
UseYourBrain Sunday, August 31st at 11:11PM EDT (link)She has even more than John McCain, also. Why isn’t the ticket Palin/McCain anyways? Obviously her experience gives her the edge over McCain here. What gives? If she is fine to take over the Presidency in time of crisis and given her executive experience, why not nominate Palin for POTUS at the convention?
You go girl!
President Palin. Say it with me.
If you're serious,
Flagstaff Monday, September 1st at 12:07AM EDT (link)the answer is, she wasn’t running for President; she was asked to serve her country once again, and she answered “Of course.”
Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!
As we all know....
talleyrand Monday, September 1st at 1:16AM EDT (link)Executive experience > Legislative experience; particularly in a resume for a top executive position.
I’m looking forward to Palin schooling Biden in the importance of accountability in the veep debates.
The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him.
-Niccolo Machiavelli
To Kym, please don't just read... ANALYZE!
Rod_Patrick Monday, September 1st at 5:10AM EDT (link)I just hope that you didn’t join the Obama team rushing to Alaska looking for gold called Dope… Dirt of Palin etcetera.
Back to your reading, you should have noted the following:
Here is her response to that investigation.
Same link gives the response from the culprit on the issue:
The irony of Green’s logic is simple: She is investigating Palin, not Bailey himself.
I assume that like us here at RS, you also want TRUE REFORM IN WASHINGTON. Then, it is only okey for us to get scared, like some Alaskans and friends of Palin (as you say). Especially if we are involved in some anomalous transactions/activities, we can be caught by VP Palin in the process… the watchdog of McCain.
But we must reform ourselves first and step out of partisan box if we really want Change that we really hope for in Washington, no matter who will get hurt in the process. You may say that such strategy can create political collateral, but aren’t we tired of dirty politics that Obama has mastered in Chicago? McCain and Palin has given us the RIGHT EXAMPLE. It’s up to us, Americans, to respond properly.
On a final note, McCain is much wiser than all of us, Kim, in picking Palin. Don’t worry… that’s the reason why he is our Republican POTUS Candidate anyway (assuming you’re really a republican as you claim).
When was she first asked to serve her country?
UseYourBrain Monday, September 1st at 7:33AM EDT (link)N/T
Sorry, that was a response to Flagstaff
UseYourBrain Monday, September 1st at 8:03AM EDT (link)And I know I did hit Flagstaff’s Reply to This button. Maybe another 3.0 bug.
In reply to your assertion that executive experience > legislative experience, I would point out this:
Harvard Law (advanced degree) >>> U. of Idaho BA and some experience.
I have been a hiring manager in a large multi-national and if I was handed the four resumes of the candidates for an Executive level search, Biden’s would be on top, then BO, then McCain, then Palin.
Years of experience is a very important, but when you see a degree from Harvard or Princeton or Stanford, you know you may have one of the top talents in the US (and the world) sitting on your desk. With no advanced degrees such as an MBA or JD the applicant becomes a second-tier candidate.
And this is the foundation of the western educational-business relationship. Advanced degrees are weighted more than basic degrees plus experience. A PhD straight out of school WILL be offered a higher pay/higher responsibility position than a Bachelor’s plus a couple of years experience.
To conflate a U.I. BA with a Harvard JD is a denigration of our educational process. You are attempting to rendering it meaningless that advanced degrees confer on people levels of experience and that only on-the-job experience should apply. This could be a very dangerous precedent to set. Is this line of attack really worth trashing the Western system of education?
quite frankly your hiring practices are suspect
kyle8 Monday, September 1st at 8:49AM EDT (link)I have known several MBA’s from the prestigious schools, and I worked for a Harvard PHD once. I was singularly unimpressed with the lot of them.
Yes, they were smart, but many of them were also naive sons of privilege who couldn’t pour pee out of a boot. Some of them, like the Doctor, were filled with silly left wing ideas. Biden is a perfect example of this, the man has been wrong about almost everything in his adult life.
There are literally hundreds of thousands of graduates of state universities, or small colleges who are just as smart, just as or better educated, and have some practical common sense to boot.
In my most recent job, I was exposed to some of the smartest and most driven people I ever encountered in my fifty year life. One was a engineering graduate of UT, the other had a MBA from North Carolina. I would put them up against Biden and his ilk any day of the week.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Then the hiring practices of most
UseYourBrain Monday, September 1st at 9:34AM EDT (link)large corporations are suspect to you.
Would the person with the MBA have had the same responsibilities if they had only a BA and some level of experience? Would that person have made the same amount of money in your organization?
Of course there are smart people everywhere who do not attend an Ivy and are excellent people to work with. Children of privilege do make up a portion of Ivy attendees (GWB for example), but the rest got into the most coveted schools based on their capabilities not their genealogy with the knowledge that if they graduate they are first on most company’s lists for hire.
well that is true
kyle8 Monday, September 1st at 9:50AM EDT (link)Corporations have a variety of practices which are not in their best long term interests. Hiring a lot of people who might have been filled with anti-corporate propaganda is certainly one of them.
As to your assertion the MOST of the Ivy Leaguers got there solely due to their intellect. Possibly, but only a slight majority. If you take out the legacies and affirmative action candidates I am sure they look a little lean.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Ivy League graduates have to tell themselves
Achance Monday, September 1st at 10:16AM EDT (link)that they’re special and they group together and tell each other that they’re all special and should make more money than everyone else.
In my experience the only thing more useless and obnoxious than a fresh out of school MBA is a fresh out of an elite school lawyer.
BHO would never have gotten into Hahvud had he not been Black. He got a job with a firm because he went to Hahvud where he might have written a few memos or briefs with other people’s names on them. If they wanted to celebrate diversity, he might have gotten to carry a partner’s briefcase to court. I share gamecock’s contempt for lawyers that don’t do trials. Working in a firm is just an extension of school that pays better unless you do trials, something neither BHO nor Biden have ever done. Let’s see, briefcase toter, community organizer, back bench machine pol; that’s experience we can believe in.
In Vino Veritas
What's the matter achance
UseYourBrain Monday, September 1st at 12:08PM EDT (link)Gov’t job got you down? No room for advancement? Crappy school on your resume?
Obviously since Barack is black, that is how he got into Harvard. Just like the people I know there who are white, black, asian and indian got in because of there ethnicity. Oh wait, it was because they are smart and driven. asshat.
A lot of these grads end up managing America’s money, so either they are worth it or they are not. So, bring it, start denigrating the Wall St. firms who actively pursue these grads. We seem to get good results from most of them. And we really don’t care about their race.
No they are privileged, there are lots of
Achance Monday, September 1st at 12:20PM EDT (link)smarter people, and the Ivy Leaguers aren’t especially better or even well educated; they’re indoctrinated and they are members of an elite club.
If I didn’t have at least a minimal, vestigial belief in democracy and Constitutional rights, I’d round up almost all university professors and ship them off to work the fields for a few years. The Communists did have some things right: first they used the professors to help them take over then they either eliminated or re-educated them.
In Vino Veritas
Has The GOP
ICRJCalvin Monday, September 1st at 12:52PM EDT (link)found its “Iron Lady”?
Shouldn't she be focused on her kids?
LA_Hike Monday, September 1st at 1:26PM EDT (link)Reading about Bristol’s pregnancy today made me really sad. Who is taking care of Sarah Palin’s children while she is off being Gov and VP candidate? Doesn’t she think raising children is important? In this day and age working mothers are a reality but she had a special-needs child just five months ago!!! It is becoming apparent that maybe with her husband off working in the north fields and racing snowmobiles someone should be focused on the children. Sad.
Unfortunately we are not allowed to lock our children in towers
QueenOfCups Monday, September 1st at 1:32PM EDT (link)or chain them to their beds anymore.
Is that what you have said to every parent of a pregnant teen or unwed mother?
It deserves denigration.
Menlo Monday, September 1st at 1:42PM EDT (link)It’s high time the “educational process” of today was “denigrated.”
Most law schools, especially on the scale of Harvard, do not teach law. Rather, they teach what others have said about the law, what others have said about what others have said, and so on.
More importantly, I believe law schools today seek to teach creative ways to defy the law and to force their leftist agenda on a society that doesn’t want it.
In general though, colleges too often teach abstract theories that do nothing to help 99 percent of people in the performance or success of their job.
“Guess which party these big insurance companies favor? Big companies love big government.” -Ann Coulter
LOL!
Menlo Monday, September 1st at 2:29PM EDT (link)I’m with you on that!
“Guess which party these big insurance companies favor? Big companies love big government.” -Ann Coulter
You are so correct janis
Scope Monday, September 1st at 2:46PM EDT (link)The libs and unfortunately some really really morally correct R’s will do all they can to shame Sarah Palin. Her handling of Bristol’s pregnancy makes me like her even more. She will appeal to real life people with real life stories!
I don't know if it was the first time, but
Flagstaff Monday, September 1st at 3:46PM EDT (link)when she and her husband agreed that if she were to be on an Alaskan State Board to regulate oil companies in Alaska, her husband would quit his 17-year job with BP to eliminate even the appearance of a conflict of interest.
When she resigned from that board because of internal corruption there.
When she gave up her private life to take on and defeat the corrupt sitting Governor in the Republican primary, then became Governor herself and continued to fight for clean government.
Since I don’t know much about her, that’s almost it from me, for now.
Yet, I can guess that you are getting ready to write, “But that was only for Alaska, not for the country.”
As much as you do it for the least of our people (city and state), so do you also for for the whole country. Besides, last but not least,
She also served when she sent her son off to boot camp and will continue to do so until he leaves the Army.
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You appear to be an education snob.
Flagstaff Monday, September 1st at 3:56PM EDT (link)Am I wrong?
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As someone with a lot more education than good sense...
JKH1232 Monday, September 1st at 4:08PM EDT (link)I’ve found that a lot of people with little going for them turn to their education as a form of external validation- I may be a nobody, but at least I went to (Insert school here)! People who don’t need it don’t care much about education, but tend to know what makes a good worker/thinker/whatever.
Having known a great many Ph.Ds, this is what I’ve found- that many have only their degrees to cling to in order to justify their claims to importance. I sure hope when I get mine I can cling to something else. Like God or guns. S
Why don't you use YOUR brain
Jack_Savage Monday, September 1st at 4:28PM EDT (link)Let’s start with the grade inflated Ivy League geniuises that came up with the great idea of bundling worthless mortgages and selling them to investors. Or the Ivy League geniuses that ran the ratings companies that insured them. Or the Ivy League geniuses that run hedge funds and are trying right now to pry the painted-shut windows of their offices open so they can jump out.
The Ivy Leaguers I have met are so typical, so cookie-cutter self-absorbed that they are laughable caricatures of competent people. I cannot think of one Ivy Leaguer I have met who has done anything but trade on their parents’ money, or name, or ethnicity to get where they have gotten.
They may think the world revolves around them, but if you want the world changed, Ivy Leaguers need to be skipped (the best thing Bill Gates did was drop out of Harvard, for example). And your infatuation with them makes me think there is a little something missing in your life as well.
I saw your response.
Flagstaff Monday, September 1st at 4:41PM EDT (link)It’s just the way they get placed.
Personally, I’m very glad that the Republican ticket has two non-lawyers, non-Ivy League grads up against two lawyers, one from Harvard and one from Syracuse. We have a Congress full of lawyers–we don’t need two more as President and VP.
Have you ever considered why there is NO minimum education requirement to run for President? This isn’t a competition of college degrees, it’s a contest between people.
When you compare what the four people involved have accomplished, it’s clear that McCain and Palin have both done more than Obama and Biden.
From Biden’s website:
So, Biden was a lawyer of some kind (no litigation) for from one to four years (not clear how many), then elected to the Senate. No executive experience. Democrats have rejected him as a Presidential candidate every time he tried to achieve that prize. He’s always been found wanting, even by Democrats, including earlier this year. Plus, he is an easily dislikable, shifty-eyed, sneaky-weasel individual. There is a rumor that he and Senator Chuck Schumer are long-lost brothers, they are both so similar in this respect. He’s never been heard to criticize another Democrat.
Obama was a “community organizer” (whatever that is) enmeshed in Chicago politics. He claims to be a “law professor” but he was apparently something more like a lecturer. He decided to “go along to get along,” getting chummy with a confessed terrorist, either because the Bill Ayers connections could do something for him politically, or because he was sympathetic with the Ayerses’ radical terrorist ideology and tactics.
If you want to know more about McCain and Palin, I suggest other diaries on this site and in the news. I’ll just point out the obvious, that both of them are clearly people who put their constituents and the country before their own party and their own ambitions.
I have one non-political friend in Alaska. Speaking for his family, he wrote me that
That last sentence, as much as anything, will tell you why McCain-Palin will win. (I pasted in my friend’s quote before I read it. That’s how confident I was that it would be appropriate.)
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Yes, we should have skipped one in particular
UseYourBrain Monday, September 1st at 8:13PM EDT (link)George W. Bush
Legacy, working off his family connections, self-infatuated, grade-inflated into Harvard, self-congratulating C student. Never should have been President, I completely agree with you.
So lets skip daddy was an admiral, bottom-of-class, partying flyboy, self-described louse to his first wife, married into mob liquor money John McCain.
Of the other three self-made candidates, only Barack is running for POTUS. Vote for him. Your side had your chance, wholly. You sucked, you were corrupt, you spent too much money. Time to see if the other side sucks.
Women are equal?
MILiberty Monday, September 1st at 8:21PM EDT (link)So the mother is supposed to be home in the kitchen watching the children? Wow! howfifties of you!
Women are equal?
MILiberty Monday, September 1st at 8:21PM EDT (link)So the mother is supposed to be home in the kitchen watching the children? Wow! howfifties of you!
Whoa, there, podner.
Flagstaff Monday, September 1st at 10:59PM EDT (link)Now that you’ve completely revealed yourself, let’s be honest. There is no mystery. We already know your side sucks. (obvious logical remark removed by author) Remember Jimmy Carter and 444 days of America Held Hostage? Double digit inflation rates? Stagflation? Carter is Obama’s hero.
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Blam, for any number of reasons
Neil Stevens Tuesday, September 2nd at 4:06PM EDT (link)The bad language name calling, the unsubstantiated accusations of criminality, the implicitly insulting user name, and the clear lack of good faith it demonstrated are all good reasons for this one.
So this one’s done.
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There Is No Crisis
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LaurenConrad Friday, September 26th at 11:26AM EDT (link){How I love them. Not. - Moe Lane}
Now, you enjoy it. Hope next time you won't look at Hillary's nude pictures. For sure, you'll nauseate!
Rod_Patrick Friday, September 26th at 11:42AM EDT (link)And if you see Pelosi’s nude pics… you will die of heart attack
oh, Moe? A moment of your time please?
E Pluribus Unum Friday, September 26th at 11:50AM EDT (link)Short buses are running today.
Carthago delenda est
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