Today on ABC’s This Week, when asked by host George Stephanopoulos whether he would support Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin if she runs for president, Sen. John McCain punted:
“Oh no. Listen I have the greatest appreciation for Gov. Palin and her family and it was a great joy to know them,” McCain said. “She invigorated our campaign and she was just down in Georgia and she invigorated their campaign.”
“But I can’t say something like that,” McCain said, “We’ve got some great other young governors… Pawlenty, Huntsman.”
Pressed by Stephanopoulos that McCain had considered Palin to be the best person to succeed him if he had been elected and something had happened to him, the former Republican presidential candidate replied:
“Well sure, but now we’re in a whole election cycle.”
As if conservatives needed a reminder of why those that voted for him had to hold their noses to mark the ballot. Indeed, many of them wouldn’t have even bothered to go to the polls November 4 if Gov. Palin had not been the GOP’s vice presidential candidate.
For her part, Sarah Palin has shown nothing but loyalty, admiration and respect for McCain. Today he rewarded her devotion to him in the usual McCain manner. The man rarely misses an opportunity to stab conservatives in the back, except when he kicks them in the stomach.
When members of his own campaign staff slurred Palin in a most reprehensible manner, McCain was slow to defend her, and even when he finally did, he failed to name names or bother to criticize the culprits. She deserved better then from McCain, and she did today also.
Aside from his military service for his country, John McCain has proven time after time that to him, such values as honor, loyalty and respect are a one-way street.
- JP

He'll work with Obama
beaming Sunday, December 14th at 1:20PM EST (link)So essentially we had a Socialist and a Democrat to vote for this year.
He disgusts me & I HATED that he was all we had!
lburdockfriend Monday, December 15th at 10:46PM EST (link)Oh, and I’m suppose to add more after the title? Because I’m not so sure I have the stomach for it!
He started disgusting with all the hoopla he started with Kennedy regarding immigration, he just made me roll my eyes before that, now I actually makes me throw up in my mouth.
Seriously, can we PLEASE get back to what we were already?????
McCain is a putz
izoneguy Sunday, December 14th at 1:22PM EST (link)n/t
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
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5x5x5
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Carthago delenda est
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This Whole Non-Story Is Utterly Idiotic
Luckyoldsun Monday, December 15th at 1:10AM EST (link)No politician in anyone’s memory has ever made an endorsement for a presidential election before the previous term had even begun.
If McCain HAD endorsed Palin, that would be completely unprecedented. THAT would be a story.
Show me that river…
I've sat here for 5 minutes trying to come up with words
janis Sunday, December 14th at 1:26PM EST (link)descriptive enough for how disgusted I am by this man. And I can’t find any phrases that are apt without them being against posting rules. So I will just say that I am grateful that we didn’t succeed in electing this bum to POTUS.
With the ones who did get elected, we know we’re gonna get screwed, it’s expected and we can prepare for it. With this man, it wouldn’t have been much different, but we would have had the ignominy of being screwed by our own guy.
I am also grateful that Sarah Palin’s career in politics will not be further tarred by having to carry any more water for the likes of John freaking McCain. No wonder Joe the Plumber was horrified by his time with this guy!!
5 5 5 janis!
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Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Janis, a Big 5^+. But What is More Important is...
Wubbies World Sunday, December 14th at 1:51PM EST (link)… that McCain was going to do a lot of the same things the Democrats are about to try to do. The very big difference is that now it cannot be hung around the Republicans neck like a mill stone.
Now the Democrats will not be able to blame the Republicans in any way, except when McCain and his Republican ilk reach across the isle and thwart filibusters by the Republicans.
Lindsey Grahmnisty and McCain is all the Democrats need to get past the filibuster and pass their agenda now.
But the Republicans will not own the disaster like they would have if McCain had won.
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Well said, Wubbie. Now what can we do, if anything,
janis Sunday, December 14th at 1:59PM EST (link)to stop McCain and his stooge, Graham, from giving away the cookie jar every single time? Honestly, it just boggles my mind that a man who could serve with distinction in the Navy as he did could be such a feckless and unprincipled actor in politics.
The Dems I talked to after the election was over were very admiring of the concession speech he gave–that’s the best we could expect? Defeat with graciousness? And now he’s not even being gracious, just coldly, boldly politically calculating. “If I’m nice to Obama, he’ll be nice to me.”
I could just barf.
And for small things we must give thanks...
lburdockfriend Monday, December 15th at 10:50PM EST (link)that we will not at least be driven crazy by McCain’s antics! I was really very upset by Obama’s election, but I wonder (?) is this something good that may be cloaked in bad?
Hey...Can I help...I've kept these words under wraps throughout the whole General Campaign
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 6:12PM EST (link)Time for a word dump Concerning McCain
* Dispicable
* Detestable
* Contemptable
*Appalling,
*Dreadful
*Contemptible
*Shameful,
*Disgraceful
*Vile
*Loathsome
*Disgusting
*Repugnant
*Abhorrent
*Obnoxious
*Revolting
*Nauseating
*Repulsive
*Hideous
*Repellent
*Abominable
*Foul
*Fetid
*Unbearable
*Atrocious
*Horrific
*Ghastly
*Hideous
*Horrific
*Nauseating
*Putrid
*Fetid
*Rancid
*Squalid
*Spiteful
*Malicious
*Malevolent
*Offensive
*Disreputable
*Reprehensible
*Heinous
*Nefarious
*Fiendish
*Monstrous
*Odious
I could go on and on…but it’s out of my system now…maybe someone could pick up where I left off?
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Why?
OccamsRazor Sunday, December 14th at 6:18PM EST (link)aren’t these alphabetized?
LOL...Note I repeated a couple too...
AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 2:34AM EST (link)I don’t knopw if that was because I felt them more strongly or not :>)
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OccamsRazor Sunday, December 14th at 6:26PM EST (link)She doesn’t ‘burn out before she fades away’. As Joe mentioned, she’s the real deal and amuses me personally that I can relatively trust a man I’ve seen only snippets about LEAGUES more than the majority of people who ran in this event. One can just look Joe in the eye, albiet via camera, and just KNOW ‘he [isn't] KGB’.
Talk about a squish...
mikefisk Sunday, December 14th at 1:28PM EST (link)…can’t even back up his own running mate? Then, the first governor he names is Pawlenty? What about, say, Sanford or Jindal? (I don’t know Huntsman, although from looking him up I read that he’s a fan of Dream Theater, which scores him some points in my book)
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McCain has
Wayne Sunday, December 14th at 1:51PM EST (link)forgotten one of the really important things taught to all military officers and senior NCO’s. That is downward loyalty. You have to be loyal to the people under you, to expect upward loyalty from those people. He has gone back to being what he is, a man driven by expediency. He would have been a great running mate for John Freaking Kerry, he could have been the flop in the flip-flop duo.
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Oh, AMEN, Wayne! 5+5+5
janis Sunday, December 14th at 2:03PM EST (link)That was exactly what I was thinking a few minutes ago, that John freaking McCain and John freaking Kerry would have made a lovely couple after all.
Power is all, honor is nothing.
Ouch!
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“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
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My reading of McCain is only slightly different than yours
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 5:13PM EST (link)I don’t think his motivation is expediency at all…I see him as an arrogant cock sure blow hard so convinced in his own self righteousness that all around him are beneath him and should feel blessed to be in his presence…
His shameless comparison of himself with Teddy Roosevelt says all that needs to be known about his own hubris and bloated sense of himself and his out of control ego!
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Yeah...Pawlenty...
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 5:06PM EST (link)Let McCain’s endorsement of him be a stake in the heart of any run he might make in 2012…
If we end up with another squish this time around my pledge and heart felt promise is to become an independent in 2012 and become my own maverick!
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I wonder what this McCain
redneck_hippie Sunday, December 14th at 1:29PM EST (link)answer meant to Sarah.
I suppose McCain does not feel that he owes Sarah any gratitude because he did her such an honor by naming her as running mate.
Very instructive. Seems the Palin choice was mostly expediency on his part. Sarah is worth ten McCains any day as a campaigner, and I hope we have not seen the last of her as a national figure.
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.
Except...
SteveLA Sunday, December 14th at 1:44PM EST (link)Redneck_hippie
Except for the fact that Palin has not gone through a Republican primary, or any sort of vetting as a national candidate all on her own, selected not elected. She might well do well in a national primary, and she might fall flat on her face, hard to tell.
As to being an expediency choice for VP, well in a word YES. McCain picked Palin to appeal to the base of the Republican party, and she did that, and did darn well exciting the base. She is owed a lot of credit for that, but the base does not win National elections all on their own. Takes the rest of the party and the general public to win at the National level, and Governor Palin has not done that in a Primary fight.
Governor Palin has 2 or 3 years to work on becoming a true broad based national candidate if she wants to run for President in 2012 and it’s up to Governor Palin to do that very thing, not John McCain.
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Competency over ideological purity
National figure:
redneck_hippie Sunday, December 14th at 1:58PM EST (link)My feeling is that Sarah is an able administrator as well as campaigner. Sure would have like to see her appointed energy secretary for example.
The vetting she received as VP nominee was not exactly lackluster in my book. If the bloodhounds the leftists sent to Alaska couldn’t find any dirt on her, I don’t think there is any.
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.
Dirt....who cares
SteveLA Sunday, December 14th at 2:15PM EST (link)Dirt is part of the game, I could care less.
Issues, that’s the ticket. What does the Governor think about any range of issues that confront this country?
Defense, spending, heath care, social security, employment, etc. etc.
If you’re a single issue values voter, you could care less about those other issues, no need for Governor Palin to speak on them, but to win at the National level in Republican primaries and to win the National election, anyone running has to speak to those.
Governor Palin did not speak in any meaningful way about those other issues during the race just completed, and that’s a shame, I think she had some good things to say about them. She’s got 3 years without Washington insiders filtering her, so let it rip.
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Competency over ideological purity
Okay,
redneck_hippie Sunday, December 14th at 2:28PM EST (link)Here are issues upon which I based my support for Governor Palin as McCain’s running mate:
National Security - Her son is fighting in the Middle East right now, so I believe she knows what is at stake in the Global War on Terror.
Fiscal Responsibililty - She ran her state and did it very well.
Strong Families - This issue is at America’s core and must be preserved.
All the issues of national consequence fit as subheads under the 3 stools of conservatism.
Big government and all the leftist utopia schemes must be brought under control.
As a super ginormous bonus pack, Sarah will stand up for reform of the plutocratic bureaucracy that is Washington DC. We need her there and we need her badly.
As Sarah was a running mate for JM she was as you stated constrained in developing a national agenda of her own. I have no doubt that she is capable of doing so should she be called upon and desire to do so.
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.
And she's not likely to saddle her with the McCain Camp Losers like Mike Murphy and his ilk!
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Yeah...she was vetted pleanty and stood up under the withering fire...
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 5:31PM EST (link)I don’t know of anyone else that could have done as well under the circumstances
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Appealing to the base
exitsfunnel Sunday, December 14th at 3:03PM EST (link)I don’t think that the McCain campaign chose her primarily to appeal to the base. She had that going for her for sure, but there were a number of other, much better choices, who also could have met that criteria. My guy, Mark Sanford, for instance, would have been just as effective (or at least very nearly so) with the base. What differentiated Sarah Palin from the other possibilities was pretty obviously her gender - the choice was an obvious, cynical attempt to woo Clinton voters. It was essentially an affirmative action pick.
-exits
Sorry....you lose!!!
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 5:38PM EST (link)Sanford? Who’s that?
I know who he is but no one else did…
As for her being a Cynical pick?…I think you’re right…That’s without a doubt what the McCain clowns were thinking…and I think…if they’d have had their way she’d have been destroyed by their scripting of her…
But she’s got much more going for her than her gender and that’s her ability to talk to the folks in a way they understand…we haven’t seen that since Reagan!
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IIRC, Sanford didn't even endorse McCain
RetNAV Sunday, December 14th at 5:43PM EST (link)this time around. Seems Mark Sanford, whom I like very much, thought McCain had a departure from conservative principles.
I never want to hear again of bipartisanship. The only time I want a Republican “reaching across the aisle” is to smack a liberal.
He did endorse
exitsfunnel Sunday, December 14th at 6:25PM EST (link)Or at least he said that he was voting for McCain; you’re right though he was definitely no McCain cheerleader. He definitely wasn’t angling for the slot; all the more reason that McCain should have picked him.
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Should have said, in primary
RetNAV Sunday, December 14th at 6:34PM EST (link)Yeah, I’m sure Sanford supported/voted McCain in general, but withheld endorsement in the primary. Which was different than 2000, where I think Sanford was a staunch supporter of McCain’s.
I never want to hear again of bipartisanship. The only time I want a Republican “reaching across the aisle” is to smack a liberal.
Two things
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 5:23PM EST (link)gee…that sounds familiar…where have I heard it before?…Oh…1976, 1992, 1996 2006 and 2008? ….nah…I must have just imagined it!
No one says he has to endorse her in 2012…in fact…she would fall precipitously in my admiration for me if he did endorse her…yes she does need to prove herself and I’d expect no less of her…
The issue is this…it’s the fact that he can’t bring himself to be charitable to the only person that made this election close enough to make it respectable.
But above all…it’s infuriating that he won’t show Sarah, and Conservatives the same loyalty he and his acolytes demanded of us throughout the general election or show his gratitude that we did indeed hold our noses and vote for him!
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Is that McCain's reasoning too?
emgbane Sunday, December 14th at 6:02PM EST (link)SteveLA, I realize you are responding to Redneck_hippie, but I do not understand your comment. The tread is about McCain’s response. He threw out names like Pawlenty and Huntsman. Did I miss something? Neither of them have been through a national campaign. To support either of them over your running mate cannot be for the reasons you gave.
At this point most Republicans are supporting Palin or Romney, because we don’t have crystal balls. Of course, the campaign for 2012 nomination will give us a different picture, but he’s being asked today. He did not even bother to support the candidate that leads among conservative, or the candidate that leads among moderates.
If he like Huntsman or Pawlenty, why did he choice Palin. Obviously, Palin was a cynical pick on his part.
I do not regret my vote, but I was mildly relieved when he lost. Now I know why. If he had won, he would have damaged Governor Palin.
Now she can rise or fall on her own merits. She does not need that CINO John McCain supports. Just like his supporters abandon him for the liberal, he has abandon the true Reagan Republican foot soldier on his ticket.
What it meant to Sarah?
RetNAV Sunday, December 14th at 2:42PM EST (link)We will probably never know, ‘cuz if asked, Sarah will only say how honored she was to be John McCain’s running mate; how honored she was to have met and known him and how she reveres his service to the country as a military man and a Senator.
I never want to hear again of bipartisanship. The only time I want a Republican “reaching across the aisle” is to smack a liberal.
Yes, RetNAV
redneck_hippie Sunday, December 14th at 2:49PM EST (link)and BTW you have the best sig line on the site!
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.
Yeah...That's called class...and it's why I love her
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 5:39PM EST (link)To bad McCain has none!
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so much for running on honour
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Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
Abraham Lincoln
To borrow a phrase from a certain Klingon...
itsonlywords Sunday, December 14th at 2:08PM EST (link)John McCain has no honor.
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
He ran on it...and no one bought it...
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 5:42PM EST (link)Honor denotes at least a modicum of class…
and we now know he has none
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Hoping by 2012, John McCain is irrelevant
RetNAV Sunday, December 14th at 1:42PM EST (link)Let’s hope the good people of Arizona manage to field and elect a good Republican to replace him in 2010.
I will forever revere and thank Captain John McCain for his service and sacrifice for this great country. I am done with him as a Republican Senator.
I never want to hear again of bipartisanship. The only time I want a Republican “reaching across the aisle” is to smack a liberal.
As an AZ resident who's never voted for McCain in a statewide election...
mbecker908 Sunday, December 14th at 2:34PM EST (link)He will have no competition in primary and the Dems have no one who can compete on a statewide basis now that Janet is going to DC. If she quits DHS and comes back to run for Senate she’d have a very good shot at beating him. Frankly, I’d vote for her with no regard to the D/R split in the Senate. Hell, if it were between McCain and Barbara Boxer, I’d vote for Boxer.
mbecker, I fear you are right
RetNAV Sunday, December 14th at 3:40PM EST (link)Just the little bit I know of AZ politics (from listening to online radio from there) you are probably right. McCain might have the biggest name recognition of anyone in Arizona - even more than Lute Olsen.
You don’t think someone like Flake or Shadegg could take him out in a primary? That’s presuming either would challenge him in a primary due to loyalty. And Shadegg didn’t want to run for reelection this time to begin with.
I understand the sentiment of voting for anyone but John McCain regardless of D/R composition of Senate, just to send a message. But Babs Boxer! arrrggghhhhh! She’s the dumbest member of the United States Senate.
I never want to hear again of bipartisanship. The only time I want a Republican “reaching across the aisle” is to smack a liberal.
Competition for McCain...
mbecker908 Sunday, December 14th at 3:55PM EST (link)Flake. He’s virtually an unknown outside his district. He has some name recognition, but I doubt many people could actually tell you he’s a sitting Congresscritter. McCain would cream him.
Shadegg. You’re right, he didn’t want to run for his current seat this time but was talked into it by the R congressional leadership. He’s better known than Flake statewide, but he couldn’t touch McCain.
The “problem” of trying to primary McCain is one of time & money. Time, because of McCain’s statewide name recognition and the automatic association of him with the office. If someone is going to run against him, they need to work up a campaign to build serious name recognition NOW. Even with two years to work on it, it would be a full time uphill battle.
Money is a problem because McCain has a relatively huge war chest (I don’t know exactly what he’s got on hand, but it’s one heck of a lot more than anybody else who could potentially get in the field). In addition to cash on hand, McCain has virtually unlimited access to funds from the RNSC and RMSP “outside-of-AZ” money. I would guess he could raise $5MM for his next Senate run without breaking a sweat and significantly more if he needed it.
Compound the inherent money advantage of being the incumbent with the fact that the Dems, with Janet at DHS, don’t have a credible candidate against him. Bottom line, McCain will need to spend about $10,000 to beat anybody the Dems field in the general so he can use pretty much whatever he needs to spend on the primary. A primary contestant would not have that luxury as the general would be considerably more contested with relative unknown v. relative unknown.
John McCain will be going back to Washington in 2010 to continue to represent the interests of the Beltway.
And, if you’re familiar with much of my writing you’ll appreciate just how much I detest John McCain: I would vote for John Kerry first.
mbecker, thanks for the rundown
RetNAV Sunday, December 14th at 4:04PM EST (link)Pretty much what I thought. Especially the $$$ part.
Willing to vote for Babs or John F’ing Kerry - that’s a big chunk of detest. But, I feel your pain.
I never want to hear again of bipartisanship. The only time I want a Republican “reaching across the aisle” is to smack a liberal.
How about JD Hayworth?
Josh Painter Sunday, December 14th at 3:59PM EST (link)He won four straight elections until he basically got redistricted out of his seat. But he’s probably enjoying doing his talk show on KFYI and not having to live in DC.
- JP
“An armed society is a polite society” - Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)
J.D. Hayworth as Senate opponent
RetNAV Sunday, December 14th at 4:11PM EST (link)Don’t know if that would work, for many of the reasons mbecker listed.
But, I don’t think J.D. got re-districted out of his seat. He lost in 2006, so no re-districting took place. What happened, as I understand it, was the dems ran someone, IIRC, Harry Mitchell, who positioned himself to the right of J.D on immigration - and that would have to be pretty far out there, in Tom Tancredo territory, when in fact he wasn’t. But, Mitchell had the complicit support of the state paper and it perpetuated that myth.
Then, somehow, J.D.’s name got drug into the Abramoff thing, again trumpeted by the Arizona Republic, and that probably was the death knell.
Of course, a year later, J.D.’s name was totally cleared of any inolvement or wrong doing WRT Abramoff.
As the guy in the Reagan administration who got his name drug through the mud, then was totally cleared, asked, “Where do I go to get back my reputation?”
That’s my understanding of the J.D. Hayworth loss in 2006. FWIW.
I never want to hear again of bipartisanship. The only time I want a Republican “reaching across the aisle” is to smack a liberal.
The way I heard it...
Josh Painter Sunday, December 14th at 6:48PM EST (link)Hayworth’s old district, AZ-06, included most ofNE AZ, including Flagstaff, but most of its population was iin Phoenix’s suburbs. After the Y2K census, his district became AZ-05, was made smaller and centered around Phoenix. I assumed this would have eventually changed the demographics of the district to make it more Dem-friendly.
But I could be wrong…
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“An armed society is a polite society” - Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)
You are correct Josh, but the demographics
mbecker908 Sunday, December 14th at 7:00PM EST (link)change was but a small part of his problems.
I’ve tried to find the editorials from the AZ Repugnant and their endorsement of Harry Mitchell. Bottom line, JD really pissed people off. He had a reputation not for his legislation or his positions on the issues, but for his in-your-face-I-can-shout-louder-than-you style. Interestingly enough I think it was his high level of exposure on Fox etal that killed him.
To expand a little on your demographic point, that is a major on-going and out-going problem in AZ. We need to build a border fence and man it with armed Marines with shoot-to-kill RoE or this will be a blue state in ten years.
Oh, that's the
mbecker908 Sunday, December 14th at 7:00PM EST (link)border between AZ and CA to which I’m referring, not the southern border.
See below.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 14th at 4:14PM EST (link)JD is an idiot who can’t control his mouth. He just pisses people off at the drop of a hat, and he carries extra hats just in case.
Frankly, his problem is that he tended to project everything as “about JD” and people just got really tired of listening to him. Me included and I know the guy a little bit.
Shadegg is the “real deal” and frankly I hope he runs for Governor. I’d much rather see him as G than our SoS who will be replacing Janet.
Thanks for the info
RetNAV Sunday, December 14th at 4:26PM EST (link)It’s a shame that people in other states don’t get as tired of their representatives who are idiots and can’t control their mouths. We could get rid of a lot of bad and useless legislators.
I never want to hear again of bipartisanship. The only time I want a Republican “reaching across the aisle” is to smack a liberal.
The real shame, at least IMO,
mbecker908 Sunday, December 14th at 4:36PM EST (link)is that JD was a pretty good legislator. And the points where he pissed people off were typically points where he was right. He just couldn’t find a way to make his point without being so obnoxious that nobody wanted to listen.
I detest her as well...but after the 2008 elections
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 6:19PM EST (link)if Boxer were running against McCain and I could vote in AZ…I’d vote for her…As you say…or in my words…she’s as dumb as a stump…but at least you know what to expect from her…you never know what McCain is going to do to screw you up big time
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Sorry, RetNAV
Wayne Sunday, December 14th at 7:07PM EST (link)but I beg to disagree. Debbie Stabenow is far and away the dumbest bag of rocks on the senate side of capitol hill. But she’s out there carrying the UAW’s water, blaming the mean old Southern R’s for dissing her peeps. What a maroon she is!!!!
“Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal, and took Iwo Jima, Baghdad ain’t s–t”. Maj. Gen. John F. Kelly, USMC, Deputy CG, First MEF
But She's Hot
bc3 Sunday, December 14th at 9:44PM EST (link)Debbie Stabinaw is a real beauty/sarc. Seriously, her husband who is an executive with Air America, was arrested for solicitation about a year ago.
bc3
My reply
Wayne Sunday, December 14th at 7:09PM EST (link)downthread was intended for here, I don’t know what happened to move it somewhere I didn’t intend it to be. Sorry folks.
“Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal, and took Iwo Jima, Baghdad ain’t s–t”. Maj. Gen. John F. Kelly, USMC, Deputy CG, First MEF
Maybe better name recognition than Lute...
itsonlywords Sunday, December 14th at 8:21PM EST (link)But I bet he’s not more popular.
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
Lute couldn't get elected dog catcher in a statewide race.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 14th at 8:27PM EST (link)He may be popular in the People’s Republic of Tucson where the U of A is housed, but up here in Phoenix - ASU territory - where most of the people of AZ live, he’s not looked upon with favor.
Boxer is not the dumbest member.
itsonlywords Sunday, December 14th at 8:23PM EST (link)I think that honor goes to my illustrious senator, Patty “Osama builds daycare centers” Murray. But maybe Babs is the second stupidest.
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Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
So why is that?
bs Sunday, December 14th at 3:43PM EST (link)Do Arizonans like the guy? Is this some sort of function of the state GOP somehow preventing viable competitors from stepping up and challenging him? Or is it merely the normal incumbent’s advantage?
Decorum is fo’ suckas - unless it’s one of the good guys
Normal incumbent advantage.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 14th at 4:06PM EST (link)Combined with a couple of factors.
1. Arizona is a heavily “compartmentalized” state. There is Phoenix with about 60% of the state’s population, Tucson with about 30% and the rest of the state which is a series of small towns. Phoenix and Tucson have about as much in common as Mexico City and Toronto (not an analogy, just a comparison). Phoenix is generally more conservative and Tucson is closer to San Francisco politically. The rest of the state trends Republican. You can be very well known in one market and completely unknown in the other.
2. Arizona is NOT a deep red state by any measure. Too many damn Californians move here. Along with a bunch of folks from Chicago and a few from the northeast. They bring their lefty politics with them.
3. Like every other electorate, we’re lazy. We won’t do the work required to beat an incumbent, they pretty much have to beat themselves. I can’t remember the last incumbent of ANY office who wasn’t involved in a scandal who got beat, other than JD Hayworth who just pissed enough people off he finally got beat by a fairly conservative, very well known local Dem who was just “nicer” than JD.
Thanks for the info
bs Sunday, December 14th at 4:37PM EST (link)I suspected there would be a lot of 2) in there, considering what you said about 1) and the obvious concentration of population in the cities.
Decorum is fo’ suckas - unless it’s one of the good guys
The chimney sweep
Menlo Sunday, December 14th at 8:47PM EST (link)Ever notice her Mary Poppins outfits?
We need Barbara Boxer for someone to poke fun at. It’s a lot like Cindy Sheehan. Just hearing her name gives me a chuckle.
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I Woul'd Really Like To Know Adam C's Reaction To....
Wubbies World Sunday, December 14th at 1:44PM EST (link)…McCain’s behavior and words about Sarah Palin here.
Adam C said some “not very nice things” to those of us who supported Fred in the primaries. He took offense to those of us who did not care for McCain due to his “non-conservative” behavior prior to his running for president.
However, with that said, I know Adam C does not frequent this site anymore and therefor is not in a position to defend his position at that time. Due to that reason, I will not criticize him. However, I would just like to know his take on this post.
It is only a wishful thought anyway.
The sad fact of the matter is that McCain is a “Republican Main Street Partnership” member who despises conservatives. He just bit his tongue for the election to get the base to vote for him. Now that the election is over, he can go back to despising conservatives again.
The Republican Main Street Partnership was formed to combat conservatives and reach across the isle to “work with Democrats”.
Now that didn’t take very long, did it?
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Ask SteveLA he was exactly the same....it is interesting..
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 14th at 1:47PM EST (link)to see how they feel about this “honorable” man..oh let me say I thought I would puke when I typed that! He is disgusting!
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You know, Jaded, I think we've asked for that before, but didn't get a response.
janis Sunday, December 14th at 1:50PM EST (link)If I remember correctly. Is that the way it went?
Ask what
SteveLA Sunday, December 14th at 2:03PM EST (link)Ask me what?
Is Governor Palin more qualified than others who may run for President on the Republican side in 2012, who knows, but right now if you are being honest… No.
No foreign policy experience
No Military experience
Limited government experience
Limited track record on fiscal matters
Limited writings or speeches on national policy issues
But definitely Pro-Life
2012 is a long time away, and Governor Palin is a smart lady and can answer questions about all the “other” qualifications compared to other Republicans in the race if she chooses to, but will she? Oh and who cares what McCain has to say about it, he’s 2008, we are talking about 2012.
Is that what you were asking, well there’s you an honest answer.
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what a crock
Streiff Sunday, December 14th at 2:11PM EST (link)by this metric there hasn’t been a qualified candidate since, or before, GHW Bush.
“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”
Lots of them
SteveLA Sunday, December 14th at 2:19PM EST (link)Nixon, Ford, Bush Sr., Bob Dole, the list is long and proud with a host of qualified Republicans running for office.
If you want to support Governor Palin based on her personal appeal and her stance on social issues absent qualifications in other areas, knock yourself out, she’ll loose the primaries for sure.
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SteveLA, I just have one direct question for you
Wubbies World Sunday, December 14th at 2:24PM EST (link)Do you feel that John McCain’s treatment of Sarah Palin after the election is acceptable?
Do you feel he should have remained silent when the press started getting negative leaks about Sarah Palin by his staffers?
Do you should have turned a cold shoulder to her in the questions brought before him that this post brought to light?
In these areas, how do you feel about John McCain’s conduct?
I would like to know your opinion. Please don’t change the subject.
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I agree. I'd like to hear the answer to that as well.
bs Sunday, December 14th at 2:31PM EST (link)Please.
Decorum is fo’ suckas - unless it’s one of the good guys
SteveLA's silence says a lot
Wubbies World Sunday, December 14th at 2:59PM EST (link)I guess that he too finds John McCain’s behavior indefensible since he does not want to attempt it.
I guess that gives us the answer by him not answering.
However, that is only my opinion.
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not really
Streiff Sunday, December 14th at 3:02PM EST (link)it says that he’s annoyed me once too often
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I Stand Corrected
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Orthopedic shoes?
Lammo Sunday, December 14th at 3:18PM EST (link)Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.
Sort of like having the right to remain silent but not having the ability.
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bs Sunday, December 14th at 3:21PM EST (link).
Decorum is fo’ suckas - unless it’s one of the good guys
Not acceptable
SteveLA Sunday, December 14th at 6:18PM EST (link)WW
McCain was completely derelict in not coming to Palin’s defense when members of his staff started sniping from the shadows post election. Palin was a loyal supporter, did the job she was asked to do and did it darn well in the face of some pretty crappy comments from the MSM. McCain in my view did not honor the code of commitment that a leader owes those that support them, no matter what the consequences.
Going even further, I thought McCain was without honor during the campaign when he did not give full throat defense of Governor Palin when there were MSM attacks on her family during the election. There is a line, and when that line was crossed, McCain should have come out swinging. It was part of the really bad campaign McCain ran and I was very disappointed. Looking back, those of us who supported McCain on RS made a mistake by not taking him to task, loudly and clearly during and after the election for his lack of support shown Palin.
I may have questions about issues with Palin going forward, but I have no questions about her loyalty to the ticket she was on, and it was wrong that the top of that ticket did not stand up for her, during and post campaign.
I hope that answers your question.
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Well done, SteveLA ...
Martin Knight Sunday, December 14th at 6:31PM EST (link)Unfortunately, McCain’s lack of fighting spirit on behalf of his own side is an all-too-typical trait of RMSP types.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
That's the money quote Steve and you are dead on with that one simple statement!
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 6:42PM EST (link)That’s the whole and complete package in one simple sentence…Well said!
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Wubbies World Sunday, December 14th at 9:41PM EST (link)It most definitely answers my question, and I am glad to here we agree. Everyone will not agree on everything, and I am fine with that, but this was way overboard and only shows McCain’s contempt for conservatives while trying to be “bipartisan” with Democrats.
I wonder if John McCain will ever try to be bipartisan with the conservatives?
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SteveLA Sunday, December 14th at 10:35PM EST (link)WW
McCain makes me shake my head.
He’s the old story of the frog and the scorpion crossing the river. The scorpion can’t help himself stinging the frog and they both drown. Drowning the frog asks “”Why?” Replies the scorpion: “Its my nature…”
I don’t ascribe McCain’s nature to his dislike of anyone, or contempt for anyone, it’s just his darn nature. Not trying to make an excuse for his behavior, but it is who he is, and I think he’ll be like that in the future sorry to say. Oh and thanks for the nice reply.
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I've heard a different punchline to the "Frog and the Scorpion"
civil_truth Sunday, December 14th at 10:58PM EST (link)As the water prepares to swirl over their heads, the scorpion replies:
Welcome to the Middle East.
And Rightly So!
I've heard a third one: "Ah, but I can swim."
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Any number of versions
SteveLA Sunday, December 14th at 11:04PM EST (link)civil
Any number of versions out there if you want to dig, but they’re all about the same moral. It’s the nature of some to be what and how they are, they’ll never really change, McCain fits the bill.
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Agree with your basic point, SteveLA
civil_truth Sunday, December 14th at 11:24PM EST (link)I mentioned the Middle East version because it emphasizes the unfathomability of behavior that is evidently self-destructive.
McCain proved himself self-destructive several times, most notably with campaign finance, and fatally, his bailout antics: self-destruction in the name of bipartisanship.
I appreciate your clarifying your disdain for McCain’s disloyalty towards Sarah. While I’m definitely more of a Sarah Palin fan than you (I think she’s the best thing since sliced bread), I also agree that it’s far too early to declare her the candidate of choice of 2012.
At least, let’s get past 2010 first and figure out if the Republican Party can avoid electoral extinction. It’s tough to be a President if the opposition party holds a 2/3rds majority in both houses of Congress. First things first.
And Rightly So!
Didn't Defend Cindy
bc3 Sunday, December 14th at 9:51PM EST (link)McCain didn’t defend Cindy either. McCain has a track record of treating enemies better than allies.
bc3
Given that you're the guy who said that McCain could beat the Dem nominee,
janis Sunday, December 14th at 2:26PM EST (link)pardon me if I don’t think you’re much of a prophet on this subject. As to the minuses you listed above on Palin, it didn’t stop Obama from winning now, did it?
Waiting on that one
SteveLA Sunday, December 14th at 2:35PM EST (link)janis
Republican primary, Republican party….Republican candidates.
Democrats are not Republicans, Republicans have this silly way of nominating, time after time “The next guy in line”, Democrats not so much.
No one could have beat Obama this last election.
Bush is incredibly unpopular, the economy tanked, the war in Iraq was going on and on, and the last time one party retained the White House after 8 years in power was Bush Sr. after Ronnie left office and Ronnie was a successful President, Bush not so much.
McCain stood the best chance in a bad year and his selection of Governor Palin was a brilliant political ploy. Huck would have replicated a George McGovern defeat, that was your top two choices on the R side of the ditch and ether one of them would have failed.
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John Kerry
Streiff Sunday, December 14th at 2:37PM EST (link)Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale.
Bye.
“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”
I disagree on this...
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 6:47PM EST (link)there were Republicans who could have beat Obama…but not amongst those who ran!
We desperately need a Republican Canidate that can communicate what they believe and why they believe it and stop with the finger to the wind approach to politics..Leave triangulating to the Democrats…People vote for LEADERS…and triangulating IS NOT LEADERSHIP!
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The deck was stacked and the dealer was hot, but I would like to hear who you thought could have pulled this one out.
Has to be a living person…..LOL
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Given the Dem Nominee Anyone but McCain!
AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 2:42AM EST (link)They may not have won…but they sure couldn’t have done worse!
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Romney/Pace vs Obama/Biden
Martin Knight Monday, December 15th at 5:26AM EST (link)I’m not saying Romney/Pace would have won but it would have been a much tougher race …
I concede that Obama would probably still have won, but not quite so solidly and not with such long coat tails.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
A nice combo
SteveLA Monday, December 15th at 9:04AM EST (link)Martin
I think Mitt and General Peter Pace Vs “The One” would have made an interesting race, but I think we agree the outcome would have been the same. The attacks on General Pace by the hard Left/gay lobby would have been ugly as the anti LDS stuff that would have been aimed at Mitt by the Left though.
I do think it would have been interesting to see Mitt in the same MSM attack environment we saw in the election just passed and seen how Mitt would have responded, more forcefully than McCain one hopes.
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Oh I have no doubt the Left would have thrown all they had against Pace ...
Martin Knight Monday, December 15th at 11:03AM EST (link)I just don’t think it would have been as effective. The guy would have added serious weight to the ticket in practically every possible way, and a concerted attack on him would have carried a very heavy risk of backfiring very badly on Obama and Senate Democrats.
As for attacking Romney’s faith, that would have been a big mistake - because Obama has quite a few problems when it comes to religious questions. Because, unlike “Bipartisan” McCain, I really don’t think Romney would have made Rev. Wright a verboten issue in any event, much less when Obama’s people themselves bring it up in attacking him.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
what a crock
Streiff Sunday, December 14th at 2:31PM EST (link)you are screwing with the wrong guy on the wrong subject.
Nixon? Sure he’d been a lieutenant in the Navy in WWII and had been pelted by garbage in Venezuela if you want to count that as military and foreign policy expertise have at it. Experience in fiscal matters? give me a break.
Bob Dole? An Army lieutenant. The same FP expertise as Obama. Fiscal experience?
Steve, you’re a jerk and a freakin know-nothing. Take this for what it’s worth but this is the last time you are pulling this crap with anyone on the list. The next time you do this you’re gone.
“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”
I think it's really instructive that a list that includes
mbecker908 Sunday, December 14th at 2:37PM EST (link)Nixon, Ford, Bush Sr., Bob Dole does not include Ronald Reagan or Dwight Eisenhower.
Wait a second Steve?...Nixon, Ford, Bush Sr., Bob Dole is your answer?
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 6:35PM EST (link)If that’s the case…and Palin needs to be them to win…we’re up the creek without a paddle…I’ll point you to the fact that each one of them lost when running on their own…GHW Bush is the loan exception and I consider him to have been running with Reagan as his wingman!
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oops...Nixon did win on his own...and couldn't handle the office
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What a joke!
emgbane Sunday, December 14th at 9:25PM EST (link)No foreign policy experience
No Military experience
Limited government experience
Limited track record on fiscal matters
Limited writings or speeches on national policy issues
But definitely Pro-Life
Your list is BS. It’s nice that you think Nixon, Ford, Bush Sr., Bob Dole meet your criteria. You can add McCain, but you is not what most Americans seek when voting for a President.
You of course leave off your list executive experience.
Here’s the deal Governor Sarah Palin does not have limited track record on fiscal matters. At this point she has at least 10 years of experience on fiscal matters.
16 years of governmental experience, legislative, executive, and as a regulator. She controls her national guard and deals with trade issues as do most states that import and export goods.
Voters have selected a Governor for President 21 times. Generals 5 times. Senators 2 times.
Your prefer for President of someone with no executive, but has written or given speeches on national policy issues seems rather odd.
Nixon of course was Vice President and was Bush Sr. Okay let’s see Nixon, Ford, Bush Sr., Bob Dole — impeached, never elected in his own right, not re-elected, not elected. And McCain not elected. That’s the track record for your candidates that lack executive experience, but win the nomination. Let’s not forget to mention that Nixon, Ford, Bush Sr., Bob Dole have fiscal policies that no self-respecting conservative would be proud to claim.
Reagan, Bush 2, Clinton Governors who served 2 terms.
I would certainly prefer a President with core principles who has met a budget, and managed people and resources, to someone who gives a great speech.
Look you don’t have to support Governor Palin, but you don’t need to diminish her. She has the same experience as many successful Presidents. There is no one on any short list for President with more experience than her, or who has more of the things you listed as important.
I guess you will not be voting in 2012.
Why mention Pro-life, all major Republican candidates will be Pro-life that will hardly set her apart.
Re: Host of qualified Repubs
RedWhite_and_Truth Monday, December 15th at 7:51AM EST (link)You left out Reagan. On purpose?
Others such as who?
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Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
Nope that wasn't at all what we have asked before.
janis Sunday, December 14th at 2:13PM EST (link)We have asked those of you at RedState what your answer is to this:
We were told that McCain was the ONLY candidate who could beat Obama out of all the others because he ALONE would appeal to moderate Dems and Repubs and Independents. We were told that he was a CONSERVATIVE and how dare we question that. We were told over and over again what an honorable and loyal man this was.
You got some ’splainin’ to do.
The blame game
SteveLA Sunday, December 14th at 2:28PM EST (link)janis
Interesting blame game you play.
No hard core conservative that appealed to the base made it out the primaries.
Brownback…toast
Duncan Hunter toast
Huck….failed
Fred….toast and some real questions in my mind why he refused to get in there and fight for the nomination. I could have voted for him with no problem, but Fred chose not to run hard in the Primaries and failed….you tell me why.
And McCain did nothing to make them fail, they failed all on their own, no help needed.
If there is blame that Conservatives, I assume from your previous postings, hard core social conservatives is what you mean, failed is that the social conservatives could not or would not get behind one guy and push him over the top.
Blame McCain all you want, but if the base was unhappy with McCain, it was up to the base to put someone in the race that they could support and it was they who failed to get behind this mythical creature.
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For someone who claims that he could have voted for Fred,
janis Sunday, December 14th at 2:38PM EST (link)all I ever heard from you was how lazy he was, how he needed to go take a nap, etc.
Why didn’t he get in sooner and do a better job? I’ve no idea and it remains a huge disappointment for me and many others. But I do not think his candidacy was a waste anymore than I think Sarah Palin’s was. Both of them made conservatives such as I sit up, take notice, and have hope that we can put one of them, or one like them in the office of POTUS.
I’m a federalist, thank you, and don’t necessarily describe myself as a hard-core social conservative. The hard core ones probably supported Huckabee, more’s the pity.
The base WAS unhappy with McCain–that’s why we were thrilled to get Sarah. At least then we would have somebody on the ticket that didn’t make us hold our nose.
Yeah, I do blame McCain. McCain and his advisors and campaign team and people like you who ridiculed supporters of Fred and then of Sarah for wanting to have a candidate we could believe in, one who would carry forward and fight for first principles.
This is the last time I vote pragmatism over principle.
Preach it brother
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Or, ahem, "sister"?
janis Sunday, December 14th at 7:10PM EST (link)n/t
Well janis you know when the guys call you brother....
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 14th at 7:16PM EST (link)it is a compliment….you know you are now one of the THE GUYS
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Great. Now I can spit in public, scratch myself, and
janis Sunday, December 14th at 7:24PM EST (link)quit cooking! Brotherhood has its privileges.
Privileges of the Brotherhood
RetNAV Sunday, December 14th at 7:26PM EST (link)And the best thing? The world: your urinal.
I never want to hear again of bipartisanship. The only time I want a Republican “reaching across the aisle” is to smack a liberal.
RetNav, I've got a 4 year old granddaughter who
janis Sunday, December 14th at 7:32PM EST (link)already prefers peeing in the woods to using a bathroom. Fortunately we live on a farm in a very rural area, so she’s free to do as she sees fit when the mood strikes her. Got to watch her like a hawk when we are in a city park though!
AMEN brother!
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 14th at 7:27PM EST (link)…
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Jaded, you've been called 'one of the guys' several times
E Pluribus Unum Sunday, December 14th at 7:32PM EST (link)And janis, there are plenty of other perqs as well. you NEVER get lost (and don’t need directions, even if you do), you benefit from extremely low expectations, nobody really notices your flab, wrinkles, and thinning hair, and you can quit dieting and eat as irresponsibly as you darn well please.
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Geez, EPU, according to your criteria, I'm already halfway there!
janis Sunday, December 14th at 7:36PM EST (link)Or more. (Dear Lord….)
some User-names don't lend to easy Gender recognition
JLenardDetroit Sunday, December 14th at 7:59PM EST (link)maybe Female members IDs should be listed in Pink!?!?
and Males in Blue
I wish Profiles, since many don’t put any text, at least indicated Gender, What State the person resides, and a few other things perhaps… we have no perspective of who we are talking to at times…
Don’t want to insult a Lady calling her a “Guy”…. don’t want to call someone OLD or accuse them of being TOO YOUNG….
Sure, doesn’t matter too much… but I think you know what I mean… We come to know other fellow users that are here all the time.. but no idea about people we come across rarely without any Profile info on where they are from and the like.
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Note the change of subject here?
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 6:53PM EST (link)Did you address anything that was asked here? Particularly this:
He’s certainly proven himself to be that hasn’t he?
Your silence on this is telling
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I believe you may be talking to a ghost, Ace
Jack_Savage Sunday, December 14th at 6:56PM EST (link)Check out Streiff’s posts.
Nope, Jack, he's back. Check the time of the latest posts.
janis Sunday, December 14th at 7:01PM EST (link)Although I’ve got to hand it to him, he’s learned a little humility on his short break.
Don’t expect it to last, though.
He is defending McCain, which I understand
Jack_Savage Sunday, December 14th at 10:44PM EST (link)But I don’t think trashing Palin / So Cons was the way to do it, which I think he understands.
His post at 6:18 pm above is one of the clearest and best I have ever read regarding McCain’s refusal to defend Palin, and he certainly deserves credit for that.
Agreed, Jack, it was a very good comment.
janis Sunday, December 14th at 11:17PM EST (link)And it will be great if he keeps it up. He’s a smart guy.
How about the open primary "system?"
RedWhite_and_Truth Monday, December 15th at 9:30AM EST (link)And Demon-cats crossing over to screw with the system (a la “Operation Chaos”?)
By the time our primary rolled around, Fred had already dropped out. I didn’t even get a chance to vote for him. I had to settle for Romney.
True enough...
randy streu Monday, December 15th at 9:40AM EST (link)Unfortunately, you won’t find much support for changing it among the Rockefeller crowd. Without line-crossing lefties, the Reps on the single-legged stools may actually have to admit that Conservatives outnumber them.
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Then let's knee-cap the Rockefeller crowd
E Pluribus Unum Monday, December 15th at 9:42AM EST (link)starting with the RNC.
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Amen to that.
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Wubbies World Sunday, December 14th at 2:18PM EST (link)…has not disarmed in their war against the conservative wing of the Republican Party. The RMSP and McCain still (draw a big heart here) bipartisanship with the Democrats while having nothing but disdain for conservatives.
That fact was only muzzled during the election and is now back to “game on” for them to fight conservatives again.
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Jack_Savage Sunday, December 14th at 2:30PM EST (link)Going by your list Barack Obama isn’t even pro-life - yet he will be inaugurated January 20. What is your point?
I'm right there with you, Wubbie. I was one of the ones
janis Sunday, December 14th at 1:49PM EST (link)who was chastised into supporting McCain after Fred dropped out, too. And like you, I would really love to hear an explanation and defense for this kind of behavior on McCain’s part.
But we won’t, because there is no defense for it. This man is loyal to only one group of people in this world and that’s his fellow Senators, but mostly the ones on the other side of the aisle.
As ya'll know...the RMSP is my pet peave...and you'll be interested to know
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 6:30PM EST (link)#1 McCain’s name was not on the list of members last year even though he won the Chafee Award from them the year before…It’s back on there now….
Hows that for Cynical Politics from the so called principled Maverick?
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JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 14th at 1:45PM EST (link)running for his seat NEVER has one man in the Republican party engendered such hate and disdain and NEVER has one man deserved to be treated as the pariah he is!
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McCain = RINO
digitaldean Sunday, December 14th at 1:47PM EST (link)This is why I detested this man as the GOP candidate. What were primary voters thinking to get this man the nomination?! A complete an utter embarrassment to the Republican party.
He never has and never will fit the conservative agenda.
There are times to work together with the libs, but most of the time the bipartisan mantra gets thrown back in our face.
The only reason his feeble campaign got the boost it did was because of Gov. Palin.
He is worse than a RINO he is despicable excuse for a politician claiming the R...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 14th at 1:52PM EST (link)He doesn’t just vote against the interests of R’s he actively works AGAINST them and sucks up to the “lions” of the senate you know Kennedy etc…he is a disappointment in so many ways BUT that he cannot even be kind to the woman who helped him stave off a definite 40 state loss shows he doesn’t even have the soul of a TRUE MAN!
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You know, Jaded,
redneck_hippie Sunday, December 14th at 2:04PM EST (link)this illustrates how nimble Jack is. He can vault from the R aisle to the D aisle and back again quicker than I can consume a bag of salty snacks.
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When you step across the aisle John
bobojake Sunday, December 14th at 2:18PM EST (link)Just stay there then we know where your at.
When you step across the aisle John
bobojake Sunday, December 14th at 2:18PM EST (link)Just stay there then we know where your at.
Nicely put, bobojake, and dead on the money.
janis Sunday, December 14th at 2:23PM EST (link)n/t
Strange...
Erick Brockway Sunday, December 14th at 2:25PM EST (link)I’m actually starting to be glad Obama won (shudder).
In addition to some of the reasons given above, it gives us a chance to #rebuild, and we can make squishers like McCain either stand up for what’s right and really works FOR this country or get the heck out of the way for someone who will.
I have a feeling the Obama voters will shortly find out why voting for someone you are clueless about was a bad idea, just as we’re finding out voting for someone you know well is sometimes equally bad.
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Josh Painter Sunday, December 14th at 3:33PM EST (link)I read a couple of op-eds well before the election that whoever won would enjoy a Pyrric victory at best due to the myriad of problems facing the country. This was well before the financial meltdown, too. The jist of both opinion pieces was that it didn’t matter so much who won as far as fixing those problems because they will basically remain unfixable for the next four years.
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I almost said the same thing above
bs Sunday, December 14th at 3:35PM EST (link)But I couldn’t bring myself to type it in. I agree with you. I may not agree in a year or two, but as of right now, it appears that it’s about a wash.
Decorum is fo’ suckas - unless it’s one of the good guys
He's back...
EagleWatcher Sunday, December 14th at 2:27PM EST (link)The “Maverick” is back and the MSM and the Dems are thrilled. McCain = double agent. Working for them while pretending to be one of us. As bad as Obama will be for our country, I find some small comfort in knowing that McCain will never be President.
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AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 10:42PM EST (link)The Juiciest part of this whole thing is the biggest thing that brought him to his knees…
CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM!!!!
Say what you will about Obama’s youth and inexperience but he was smart enough to realize it was a fools errand to tie himself down to public financing and all the rules that came with it written by one other than John McCain…
The old fool went down in flames and her was shot down with his own flak!
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Susannah Sunday, December 14th at 2:40PM EST (link)Let’s be fair here. McCain would be really stupid to back himself into a corner and swear up and down that he would definitely support Palin for president in 2012. I mean, there are so many “what ifs”. For instance, what if he thought that she was qualified to run for vice president, but not quite yet ready to be president? By the way, I felt that same way after watching the Couric interview. Her wonderful convention speech and her perfect debate performance gave me a lot of confidence in her, and I thought that, maybe by 2012, she might be ready to run for president–but who knows? What if she’s not? And, what if McCain feels exactly the same way that I do?
Not to mention, believe it or not, he knows a lot more about her than we do. What if something that she did on the campaign trail gave him pause? What if, after spending some serious time with her, he doesn’t think that she’s ready yet, but that she might be in 2012–but he’s not sure? Hey you are free to disagree with him, but it’s his prerogative to make his own judgements about her preparedness without being labeled as a “backstabber”.
Not to mention, we don’t know what could possibly happen in the next four years–suppose she gets caught up in a scandal or her popularity goes down? (By the way, I think that this is highly unlikely, but anything is possible).
And finally, what if he thinks that she is totally qualified, but thinks that someone more qualified, or better suited to the specific political environment, might run in 2012 (someone like a Mitt Romney or a Bobby Jindal who can discuss the economy more fluidly than Sarah Palin can)? Palin was a great VP candidate during the summer, because she was able to discuss energy policy and being a “reformer” in detail. However, I think that Romney would have been a better VP candidate for McCain to have had during the financial crisis–but hindsight’s always 20/20. Anyway, my point is that we don’t know what the political circumstances will be in 2012, or what the “hot button issues” will be. Just look how much the “hot button issues” changed throughout this election cycle–from high gas prices and the success of the surge being the hot issues in the summer, to the financial crisis taking center stage in a matter of months. And, part of being a successful candidate is being the right candidate for the right times (see Barack Obama and “change”).
Look, I am as big a Sarah Palin cultist as the next person (I was constantly getting in arguments with my Obama supporting mom, because of my vigorous defense of her). However, I also think that only a fool would pretend to know exactly what the political environment will be in 2012, and, therefore, what kind of strengths a candidate will need to be successful in that environment. Palin might wind up being the perfect person for 2012 (I hope so, because I really like her). However, new unforeseen problems might arise in the next four years that require areas of expertise that some other candidate (like say Jindal or Romney) has that Palin doesn’t have on quite the same level. Furthermore, some new political star might come out of no where (see Barack Obama–no one had heard of him four years ago). In other words, some other candidate may be more suited to the 2012 environment than Palin is–we simply don’t know what skills or qualifications will be required of a candidate to run successfully in that political environment. And, McCain would be a fool to wed himself to anyone, when things could change so drastically in the next four years.
Well, Susannah, I understand the points you are making, but we're talking about John McCain.
janis Sunday, December 14th at 2:53PM EST (link)The same John McCain who has slapped his own party over and over again on issue after issue. The same John McCain who, in this same interview if I’m not mistaken, slapped the RNC for going after Obama on the Hot Rod situation.
So his remarks about Sarah Palin were taken in the context of all the other times that he has betrayed us. As he betrayed us in his own campaign by not informing the voters of who Obama really was and what he really represented for this country. No, no, he wanted to run an honorable campaign, didn’t he? So where is honor now that he’s lost and he never did one damned thing to support the woman who saved his butt from a landslide defeat? He didn’t come out and defend her when his campaign hacks were busy savaging her after the election, and now he can’t even bring himself to halfway promote her as a national candidate in the future. He’s a disgrace.
I agree Janis
Jack_Savage Sunday, December 14th at 3:04PM EST (link)Susannah, I would agree with you if John McCain had not proven time and time again to put self over party and principle. He inadvertently casts doubt on his own judgment in a desperate attempt to go along with the prevailing Nancy Boy wisdom.
The proper response would have been “I picked Sarah Palin to be my running mate because I thought she would make an excellent President now, and I think she would make an excellent President in the future. It will be interesting to see how the race goes in 2012.”
Instead, he basically said, “I couldn’t draw a crowd if I gave away hundred dollar bills, so I picked Sarah Palin because she inspired the people I despise but so desperately needed. So now that this whole thing is over and I have been screwed out of my birthright - again - she can pack sand just like all the other conservatives that cling to principle over compromise. Philistine idiots.”
McCain has done nothing to engender trust on this
bs Sunday, December 14th at 2:56PM EST (link)He was a marginal candidate for most of us from day one (with a few notable exceptions). Since his defeat, he has returned to maverick mode and has renewed his policy of poking conservatives and Republicans with sharp sticks. I have no reason to trust a word he says, especially on this matter, where he’s probably looking for scapegoats on whom to blame his defeat. Palin would certainly be a convenient target.
My attitude on McCain is: Election’s over, and it’s now open season. I owe him no allegiance. I gritted my teeth and supported him during the campaign, but that’s over.
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Susannah...you've pounded the couric interview into the ground...
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 10:50PM EST (link)and I lay that fiasco at McCain and Murphy’s feet…Really…It’s time to get over the PDS!
The the other thing is this, you would have a valid point that there are to many unknowns for him to endorse her right now…but that didn’t stop him from blowing the horn for Pawlenty!
Finally…He has yet to renounce the clowns from his campaign that were sniping at her from the peanut gallery which tells me he agrees with them…
McCain is a jerk, has always been a jerk and thank GOD I don’t have to apologize for his foolishness for the next 4 years!
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Ace, you've got me confused with someone else..
Susannah Sunday, December 14th at 11:47PM EST (link)I have NEVER mentioned the Couric interview before tonight–and I only mentioned it this one time EVER. I dare you to provide a link of me EVER mentioning it before, or a link of me EVER trashing Sarah Palin (or having PDS). I like Sarah Palin and I always have. It is possible for me to like Sarah Palin and John McCain at the same time–the universe will not implode. I blame Bush’s unpopularity/the financial crisis for McCain’s loss–not Palin (see link below). By the way, please do not put words in my mouth or lie about me, because it really pisses me off.
http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog_entry/susannah/2008/11/20/and_the_winner_is_maureen_dowd
Pulling a Kowalski.....
Susannah Monday, December 15th at 12:22AM EST (link)One more thing Ace. I think that it’s pretty rich for you, the poster child for McCain Derangement syndrome (you admit to having “contempt for him”), to accuse me of having Palin Derangement Syndrome–when I have never said ONE bad thing about the woman (in fact I think quite highly of her).
Hello pot? This is kettle calling.
Hey...we're all guilty of a sickness of one kind or another or we wouldn't be in politics...
AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 2:31AM EST (link):>)
Do I have MDS? absolutely…I was invited to an MDS Autonomous meeting recently and took the first step of acknowledging the sickness…and decided I was fine with that…I don’t think I’ll be taking the other 11 steps and McCain’s behavior since the election has only added legitimacy to my sickness!
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AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 2:32AM EST (link)Doh!!
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I'll have to take your word for it...
AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 2:27AM EST (link)I may have you confused with someone else…I know there is a member with a female screen name who keeps harping on it and I thought it was you…If I’m wrong I apologise.
As for Bush’s unpopularity and all the other excuses that McCain and his preening pompous AXXes , I thought he was a leader? I thought a leader and man of honor took responsibility for the failures that occurred under his command…I though leaders and men of honor uplifted and defended their loyal Lieutenants…I thought McCain was a leader and man of honor?
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Susannah...I ran across Alberta and remembered she/he was the one I was thinking of last night that keeps harping on the Couric Interview
AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 3:21PM EST (link)Please accept my heartfelt apologies…
I still don’t see that interview as the problem many would make it… I can say definitively that I attributed someone Else’s comments to you!
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Alberta Monday, December 15th at 5:26PM EST (link)Dont believe ive harped at all about Palins interview…I may be mistaken. In fact I have a diary ‘On Palin’ where I thought my pro Palin position shined.
Now Ive harped consistently against Tim Geitner, who doesnt look nearly as good in a dress as Palin, although he comes off as stupid to me as Palin is made to appear by her detractors.
Then again, I dont go to an Ivy so Im just not bright enough to understand why we should celebrate and reward incompitance.
He. Alberta is the name of my awesome home province. Yes, in retrospect, a girly name, I admit.
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Then Alberta I apologize and with that I'll stop trying to remember before I falsely accuse someone else...
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Susannah Monday, December 15th at 9:13PM EST (link)It’s OK–we all make mistakes.
Honestly? I'd prefer that we all were thinking about 2010 right now.
Moe Lane Sunday, December 14th at 10:55PM EST (link)And that we weren’t thinking about Senator John McCain at all. For either good or ill.
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JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 14th at 10:59PM EST (link)Governors race and I have to get busy making sure we have a Republican what with the 2010 census coming……but your point is well taken….let us forget McCain until he comes back with his McCain-Kennedy and WE know he will….it will take a HUGE amount of effort to defeat it again BUT WE WILL!
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McCain and 2010 are linked, unfortunately
Jack_Savage Sunday, December 14th at 11:01PM EST (link)Because if he continues to pretend he is an improvisational jazz musician and sort of goes off on his own, and Republicans don’t stand up and pimp slap him once and for all, those of us who are hanging by a thread anyway will simply give up. It will mean that we have to work our way through the squishes one at a time, and the intramurals that result will drain Republicans of any capacity to wage any sort fight against the libs.
The biggest obstacle to Republicans is not Barack Obama. It is John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Arlen Specter, et al.
Absolutely, Jack. Bad enough that we have to
janis Sunday, December 14th at 11:07PM EST (link)fight the other side for our country, now we have to fight those who are supposed to be on our side first. It’s a tremendous waste of time and energy.
Good point...but he's like a hemroid....
AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 2:53AM EST (link)everything’s fine for a while and then he pops up and irritates the crap out of you ya know?
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mbecker908 Sunday, December 14th at 2:42PM EST (link)McCain probably did her a favor. I don’t want somebody McCain approves of.
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Wubbies World Sunday, December 14th at 2:49PM EST (link)and I absolutely agree!
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red_oakster Sunday, December 14th at 2:58PM EST (link)McCain is going to play Mr. bipartisanship on a lot of issues and he’s going to cause conservatives a lot of heartburn.
If Palin is going to be the nominee, she will win it on her own terms, not as the inheritor of the McCain mantle.
Incidentally, the favorable mention of Pawlenty and Huntsman is the favorable mention of two McCain supporters during 08. Jindal and Sanford were not his supporters. This is vintage McCain narcissism, but I don’t think there’s a lot more to it than that.
Heh, heh
E Pluribus Unum Sunday, December 14th at 6:49PM EST (link)BAM!
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Sad to say, my feeling is
redneck_hippie Sunday, December 14th at 2:56PM EST (link)that McCain doesn’t give a horse’s patooty about whether Palin runs in ‘12. He is madly scrambling to regain his maverick status. And as far as his beloved D and I voters are concerned McCain would be better off distanced from Palin. Period.
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.
And isn't that a disgusting state of affairs?
janis Sunday, December 14th at 3:00PM EST (link)It’s like the past 8 months never even happened for him. He gets to go back to business as usual and we get to deal with the wreckage he leaves us with.
I'll not pile on the Republican
redneck_hippie Sunday, December 14th at 3:15PM EST (link)senator from AZ. Others have done so better than I can.
If he hadn’t gotten nominated, he couldn’t have selected Sarah. So in terms of getting her some name recognition, he did good no matter whether expediency or not.
I guess I’m just not that into woulda shoulda coulda. I sure would like to see the conservatives in the Senate make McCain uncomfortable on his pro-liberal alliances, though. Without a R chief executive, I look for the Senate fights to get veeeeerrrrrrrrry intellesting.
Popcorn anyone?
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Popsecret "Homestyle" for me, thanks.
janis Sunday, December 14th at 3:18PM EST (link)Beer with yours or would you prefer something else?
No thanks...I've got my honey covered Peanuts and my milk duds!
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Susannah Sunday, December 14th at 4:01PM EST (link)Redneck Hippie, that’s a great point–without John McCain there would be no Sarah Palin (she would still be some obscure governor from AK that no one has ever heard of). Therefore, he did something right by picking her–no matter what the reason.
On a side note, do we know for sure if Sarah Palin even WANTS to run in 2012? We could all be getting carried away for nothing.
Oh, and one other thing. Some people here are angry that McCain hasn’t immediately started trashing Obama and, has instead promised to work with his administration on a stimulus package. I, personally, think that if McCain had started attacking Obama right away, then he would have looked like a sore loser, and quite frankly, unpresidential. I mean, let’s suppose McCain won and Obama immediately started criticizing McCain and said that he wouldn’t work with him. What would you guys think? You all would probably think that Obama was behaving like an unpresidential, whiny, weasley, sore loser–and that’s probably the least of the names that you would call him. Let’s be fair here. Obama won fair and square and McCain is doing the right thing, for now, by trying to appear gracious in defeat and willing to put his country first by offering his assistance to the new administration. Give McCain a chance–I’m sure that he will oppose Obama on many important issues when it is necessary (like for instance, pulling the troops out of Iraq, raising taxes, or drilling for oil).
He didn't have to "trash" Obama.
Josh Painter Sunday, December 14th at 4:15PM EST (link)McCain could have simply said that for the good of the country he would work with Obama on those issues where he could and offer constructive criticism on those issues where what Obama wants to do is not in the best interests of the country.
Which is essentially what Sarah Palin said in a CTV interview the other day.
That’s were the term “the loyal opposition” comes from, and it is basically the way the Senate used to operate pre-Bork, before the Dems ended the tradition and made the Senate a much more partisan place then it had been before.
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Susannah, no one here suggested that McCain should start
janis Sunday, December 14th at 4:16PM EST (link)trashing Obama. But he doesn’t need to start defending the man and trashing the RNC in the process. THAT is the kind of behavior that sends so many of us sideways.
As to being gracious in defeat, McCain is excellent at that. Obama won fair and square? Not hardly, but that’s another subject altogether. The bottom line here is that McCain does what is good for McCain, not for his party and not for his country either. Oh, and on the drilling for oil thing? Don’t look for McCain to oppose Obama on anything having to do with NOT drilling for oil. That was a position that McCain took for the election and it was grudging at best and only in the face of $4 a gallon for gas.
Hey Janis I had replied
AKSteveB Monday, December 15th at 4:38PM EST (link)to one of your postings about Sarah Palin, and I think you responded, but I can’t find anything now. Not sure what happened, but just didn’t want you to think I was ignoring you.
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That's okay, Steve. I've looked, too, but lots of comments got deleted.
janis Monday, December 15th at 4:58PM EST (link)Don’t know why, but most of them had to do with Mr. Rational, who wasn’t, so don’t know if there was a purpose in getting rid of them or if it was just a fluke.
Will look forward to trading comments again on another diary.
You're right, we need to be fair.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 14th at 4:23PM EST (link)John McCain has been a worthless weasel for the past ten years and he will never be anything else. The guy represents the interests of John McCain and the Inside the Beltway crowd to the exclusion of all else and he gets away with it because an incumbent Senator is impossible (or virtually impossible) to beat.
Excuses Excuses...
AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 1:40AM EST (link)He’s a loser and he’s back to what he’s always been…A collaborator is despicable as the Vichy French
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Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, December 14th at 3:02PM EST (link)Worships in the Church of global warming and will declare that republicans that oppose amnesty and cap and trade are betraying their country and playing on our fears.
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Erick Brockway Sunday, December 14th at 3:25PM EST (link)LOL! Not likely, sir..;
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NightTwister Sunday, December 14th at 3:53PM EST (link)She just gained support because McCain won’t support her.
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redneck_hippie Sunday, December 14th at 4:04PM EST (link)across the board.
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
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Who cares what McCain thinks anyways.
EdgeOfTheStorm Sunday, December 14th at 3:59PM EST (link)He is now a has-been.
As for Palin, She has a long ways to go before she can mount a successful challenge for the Presidency. If she is smart, she will concentrate on re-election, then run for the Senate to recapture the lost seat.
That would give her time to build her resume even further. Running for President in 2012 is a losing proposition for her.
The media cares. Obama cares.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 14th at 4:28PM EST (link)And he’ll get lots of press time and TV time and adoration from the MSM because of it.
He’s no has-been. Don’t kid yourself one little bit. He has a job in the Senate as long as he wants it and as long as there is a Democrat President or a Congress that is either controlled by Democrats or has a close Democratic minority John McCain will be a major power broker on the national scene.
Not the Senate
ss396 Sunday, December 14th at 5:30PM EST (link)Gov. Palin does not belong in the Senate; she is way classier than that. I think that the Senate would be a dead-end for her. They eat their young there, you know.
A second stint as Governor, followed perhaps as a high-profile Secretary of Energy or Commerce (under the newly formed Republican majority & Presidency in 2012), and she will write her own ticket.
If you pay people to sit on their duffs, you cannot be surprised when they do.
I was unaware he ever defended her...
AceInTX Sunday, December 14th at 4:59PM EST (link)Till now as far as I know…the only time he’s been out there comment about the campaign after he went down in mavericky maverick flames was when he was on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno…When Leno asked him what he thought of his campaign staffers snipping and back biting concerning her he dismissed it as something that happens during a campaign…
Later in the interview he engaged in a back and forth making fun of the lie that Sarah was behind the cloths fiasco and shopping at Neiman Marcus
I’ve always loathed the man though I’ve respected his service to our country because of his self righteous blow hard way of dealing with issues and his opponents but he’s reached new lows since the fiasco that was the McCain Campaign ended. As far as I’m concerned he’s proven to be nothing short of detestable since November and should be retired in 2010!
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I hope McCain does NOT support Palin for President....
JLenardDetroit Sunday, December 14th at 5:41PM EST (link)It will be a GREAT BADGE OF HONOR for her to NOT receive his endorsement…. McCain will want to support some other wishy-washy “Moderate” candidate….
Having another huge field of candidates will also be a mistake and hurt like it did this last time… Will leave people fractured and many will be pissy again and not support the Ticket because “their #1 choice” isn’t atop it! McCain was at the bottom of my choice list, but I had to support him once he became the candidate… and that was basically his ONLY qualification (yeah, good on earmarks… but as President he would’ve caved in the name of “bi-partisanship” and “cooperation”… all that BS)
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Now that's some grade A "Bipartisanship" right there.
Martin Knight Sunday, December 14th at 6:22PM EST (link)This is John McCain reaching across the aisle to join with the Democrats and their Beltway friends on the issue of Sarah Palin.
PS: Isn’t it odd that John McCain’s definition of Bipartisanship does not encompass Democrats reaching across the aisle to join with Republicans? It only ever goes one way.
The nice thing about McCain is that he continues to make me feel better for having supported Romney.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
You know, Martin, I think that's the first time I've heard that perspective.
janis Sunday, December 14th at 6:34PM EST (link)That from McCain, it’s always about him reaching to the left and never the other way around.
It's kinda obvious though, isn't it?
Martin Knight Sunday, December 14th at 6:50PM EST (link)In fact, that’s what really bugs me about the bulk of the GOP’s “moderates”. For all their rapturous paeans to “Bipartisanship”, they place no similar obligation on the Democrats to reach across the aisle to us, the onus is always placed on Republicans to do all the “reaching.”
I’m all for a Big Tent. But it should not be so big that it also houses a 5th Column.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
Yes, it's very obvious, but I never really questioned
janis Sunday, December 14th at 6:58PM EST (link)it until you brought it up like this. I just thought that bipartisanship meant “we reach out to them and they steal the gold out of our teeth while kicking us in the shins and we keep smiling and thanking them.”
It is just another case of the onus ALWAYS being placed on us no matter what the topic: a member got caught misbehaving? Throw the bum out! The Dems usual answer? Grins and nudges all around and then business as usual.
It’s time for some shin-kicking of our own. Get McCain out of the way and let the kicking begin.
Exactly; ever notice McCain and his "moderate" groupies asking corrupt Democrat Congressmen to resign?
Martin Knight Sunday, December 14th at 7:17PM EST (link)Nope … instead, he goes to extraordinary lengths to avoid laying any of the blame for the credit crisis on Dodd and his sweetheart deals protecting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
But if it’s a Republican, he’s on the Sunday Morning talk shows all fire and brimstone, rending garments and gnashing teeth.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
Which is one of the reasons he lost the election.
janis Sunday, December 14th at 7:28PM EST (link)Had he been willing to point the finger and let the public know who was responsible for the mess, then he might have stood a chance. Although given his behavior since the election, I can’t in all honesty say I’m sorry he lost.
But I will definitely say that I’m sorry that Obama won. I can’t reconcile the two statements, but it’s how I feel.
Ditto.
Martin Knight Sunday, December 14th at 7:45PM EST (link)I’m not happy Obama won, but since it’s McCain that lost I’m not that broken up about it, to be honest.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
I call it relief...
AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 1:53AM EST (link)I dreaded a McCain win because I’d be in the impossible position of being expected to Support him and defend him for left wing socialist crap he’d pull in the name of bipartisanship.
It’s not a contradiction to say I’m sorry Obama won but I’m relieved that McCain lost…the only issue for me is which I am more enthusiastic about…or Sorry about as the case may be!
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And that is one reason jealous John McCain lost...
Elizabeth Christian Sunday, December 14th at 6:41PM EST (link)John McCain never understood the fact why Conservatives love Sarah Palin, he thought he could make the GOP love him because he calls himself a maverick and tried to call Palin a Maverick and thought that would make us like him more. Well, just because John McCain tried to make us think he was like Palin we knew better, did he think we all lost our memories and forgotten amnesty John, or McCain-Feingold, etc….? We did not. We held our noses and worked hard for that ticket for two reasons and two reasons only:
1) Sarah Palin - awesome, awesome, awesome CONSERVATIVE.
2) Stop Obama
It actually had nothing to do with McCain at all!!!
Sarah Palin needs to continue doing what she is doing with one exception - leave McCain out of any future speeches and leave him behind all together.
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anti-Govt-Spending is Conservative
JLenardDetroit Sunday, December 14th at 6:47PM EST (link)…but one issue right doesn’t make one a Conservative… ok… Pro-Life…. still… 2 issues right doesn’t cut-it either…
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I am sure all that needs be said has been
Doc Holliday Sunday, December 14th at 7:28PM EST (link)and McCain has been roasted over the coals. But I know I am not willing to commit to supporting Palin, heck, The One has not even been sworn in yet, 4 years is a long time these days.
Molon Labe!
You lost me at...
NightTwister Sunday, December 14th at 9:26PM EST (link)I didn’t need to read the rest because you’re obviously completely clueless.
So, just because I’m a nice guy, here’s a free clue.
B-A-I-L-O-U-T
That’s why McCain went into a nosedive. And it wasn’t just his support of it. It was the stupid pet tricks he played with it before ultimately supporting it.
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No I KNOW I hit "Reply to This".
NightTwister Sunday, December 14th at 9:27PM EST (link)That was in-reply to MrRational (who isn’t).
Get Connected in Colorado.
So you don't need to read the rest...
MrRational Sunday, December 14th at 9:55PM EST (link)…where I clarified my position? Okay. Then let me spell it out for you here.
Palin’s presence on the ticket did not, in and of itself, sink the McCain Straight Talk Express. I can see that I have left the impression that I believe that, and I don’t. What sunk McCain was the level of ire aimed at Palin by the left. That’s not her fault. But it doesn’t speak well for her future possibilities.
McCain had already slipped below Obama in most polls by the time the bailout made headlines. It sealed his fate, but it didn’t sink him. Get your timeline straight.
Got my timeline straight.
NightTwister Sunday, December 14th at 10:14PM EST (link)I’ve seen the graphs. McCain was at his highest polling when he pulled the stupid pet tricks (e.g. suspending his campaign….or not…).
He got there due to Palin. She just couldn’t save him from himself.
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He was already slipping...
MrRational Sunday, December 14th at 10:37PM EST (link)by the time of the campaign suspension.
I call Hinz Rule.
NightTwister Sunday, December 14th at 10:39PM EST (link)This tool just makes it up as he goes.
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NightTwister, FTW.
bs Sunday, December 14th at 10:43PM EST (link)And that should be that on this thread.
Decorum is fo’ suckas - unless it’s one of the good guys
Ok Hinz rule because I do respect you NightTwister...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 14th at 10:43PM EST (link)and he was starting to be boring
Here is where we learn to whom we shall not be responding in the future!
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You nailed it
Elizabeth Christian Monday, December 15th at 12:11AM EST (link)when you said Palin got him ahead, she just could not “save him from himself”. And I believe John McCain is jealous of how the GOP loves Palin and does not feel the same about him. He just does not get it and probably never will get it.
Above somebody said by him not endorsing her will help her - I had not thought about it but 100% right.
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McCain Was a Flawed Candidate
bc3 Sunday, December 14th at 10:29PM EST (link)The base of his party hated McCain. He had no vision for America. He is hardly exciting or charismatic. His campaign finance reform was used against him. McCain was a horrible debater.
He assembled one of the most inept campaign teams and ran one of the worst campaigns in recent history. The media was actively working to elect Obama by whatever means necessary. His plan to suspend his campaign was the coup de grace.
But, since you’re MrRational, I guess Sarah Palin cost him the election.
By the way, have you ever heard Tim Pawlenty speak? Here’s a hint: coffee and No-Doze.
bc3
So Pawlenty is about as exciting as Al Gore
MrRational Sunday, December 14th at 10:30PM EST (link)Clinton had no problem with that.
But Tennessee in 2000 sure did.
janis Sunday, December 14th at 10:36PM EST (link)You were about 17 or 18 then, right? I assure you, Gore is as boring as paint drying, unless he’s on one his rants and then he’s just repellant.
That's because Clinton had personality
Brian Simpson Sunday, December 14th at 10:40PM EST (link)He didn’t need a number 2 to fill that role. McCain need a lot of help with the conservative base. If you don’t believe me just go back into the RedState archives. Go back to the primaries. I can think of only three maybe four people who were actually for McCain on this site (and RedState was not unique in those respects).
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My Question
OccamsRazor Sunday, December 14th at 10:43PM EST (link)Is Where is the heart of America today?
Aim For The Heart
OccamsRazor Sunday, December 14th at 10:45PM EST (link)It’s a psyhological question. Where Is the heart of America….tofay?
I pose it for everybody…forall.
Brainstorm where they are.,…
I’ll get us started….unfortunately….
Spears….
Liberals abandon the Republican ticket -- really!
emgbane Sunday, December 14th at 10:41PM EST (link)Okay, MrRational explains it was the ire of left that cost McCain not the bailout. Thanks for the wonderful analysis. Here I thought Palin was a help since McCain out polled Obama-Biden from her nomination until the financial meltdown. After his handling of financial crisis he slipped and never lead again.
Yes, yes it was all those liberal abandoning McCain because of the Palin pick (the polls just did not show it, thanks for helping me understand). Without Palin the Pro-life CINO McCain was a shoe-in, especially if he picked the liberals favorite Democrat Joe Lieberman.
How does that work I mean Lieberman owes his senate seat to liberal support (lost his primary) or Republican support?
I’m really not sure why you think you are not an idiot, but instead are rational.
What makes you think our coalition cannot win? How often have liberals won the Presidency? Even in this elections voters actually thought Obama was going to cut their taxes not McCain. Clinton ran on taxes cuts. Gee Palin cannot win her views are out of step with the mainstream.
Republican cannot win the Whitehouse unless they nominate a liberal. Wait that cannot be true, I mean when did we last try that, maybe Ford.
The financial mess is what sealed the deal and answered the question for many as to who would be better in a crisis...(I don't necessarily share the view...but it's compelling...
AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 2:06AM EST (link)McCain immediately went to form and stuck his finger to the wind and waffled and froze while he waited for his inept campaign to tell him what to think…
Obama…as inept and inexperienced as he is looked more presidential because he diddn’t fly off the handle, came out with a simple statement…and stuck to his guns through that time…I know it’s all smoke and mirrors…and Obama doesn’t have a clue…but McCain made him look like he did with the comparison…McCain and his carload of clowns are probably the only people on the planet that could pull that off!
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No one paid any attention to the vitriol aimed at Palin from the left
AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 1:57AM EST (link)if anything it earned her…and McCain by extension…a level of sympathy normally not afforded a Republican from the voters at large.
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And by the way...
MrRational Sunday, December 14th at 9:57PM EST (link)I can do without the ad hominems in future, thank you very much.
OK.
mbecker908 Sunday, December 14th at 10:03PM EST (link)Aww, you said it with a picture.
MrRational Sunday, December 14th at 10:10PM EST (link)How sweet. But you’re still being irrational.
I need to make one of those
kowalski Sunday, December 14th at 11:20PM EST (link)I need to make one of those for the next time John McCain takes his corpse’s temperature.
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NightTwister Sunday, December 14th at 10:14PM EST (link)Get Connected in Colorado.
You are on the money NightTwister...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 14th at 9:58PM EST (link)McCain voted FOR the 700 billion and Obama voted for the 700 billion and the ONLY thing that McCain could run against Obama on….excessive spending by the government (earmarks etc) WENT RIGHT DOWN THE TUBES. He couldn’t run against ILLEGALS he couldn’t run against CAMPAIGN FINANCE he couldn’t run against anything because in practice he was NO DIFFERENT than the DEMOCRATS….no difference at all…. NOTHING….NADA…..ZIP!
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Umm...national defense?
MrRational Sunday, December 14th at 10:10PM EST (link)n/t
Obama dared, no one cared.
NightTwister Sunday, December 14th at 10:16PM EST (link)Of course we see now that he agrees with Bush & McCain. I, and the majority of the Iraqi people are glad for that.
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Really? National Defense? and how did McCain run on that?
JadedByPolitics Sunday, December 14th at 10:18PM EST (link)He would not attack Obama except for the vote on Iraq…..he could have went full bore on all of the terrorist friends of Obama including Wright and did not….the man would not even play hardball for fear of being called a racist and that is supposed to give one a comfortable “feeling” about how he would be?
If you are so PC that you will not full out attack your opponent than National Defense is not going to work in your favor. Hey you like McCain bully for you me personally I see him for the digusting backstabbing liberal loving tool that I said he was before he won the primary! He has done NOTHING to change that impression except go after the GOP for “picking” on his buddy Obama! OH RIGHT that doesn’t change that impression however it is keeping him tight with the same haters who called him every name in the book to win for their guy.
I suppose he and Reid will be buddies once again I mean they are in that special club of 100 and instead of fighting for those who elect him he fights for those he has lunch with….he simply has NO CORE VALUES!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
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" was for the surge and he was not" got him past Romney
AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 2:16AM EST (link)and the rest of the wet noodle field he ran against but it’s a long time between March and November and by July I had had it with hearing him repeat that like some pull toy that I was ready to put my fist through the TV!
Beyond that he didn’t even run on National Defense…Did you hear McCain say a word when Obama anounced he wanted to cut new weapons programs by 50%???
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Yea that was a winning issue this time around
zuiko Sunday, December 14th at 10:31PM EST (link)You might have noticed the economy was all he was able to talk about the last month or two of the campaign. There was a reason for that. And thanks to his embrace of socialism, all he could say is “me too!” Great strategy.
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Here's an oldie but goodie from the debates on national defense
Jack_Savage Sunday, December 14th at 10:51PM EST (link)“I agree with John”.
Try again pal.
CAAAPOW!!!
AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 2:11AM EST (link)DEAD ON THE MONEY JADED….
There was no difference on substance and Obama beat McCain hands down on form!
In the end we had a choice between two candidates with the same policies and one with better composure…even if it was an act!
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Addendum.......A Memo To Senator John McCain (Cross-posted from "Senator McCain, Go Suck A Lemon")
Kenny Solomon Sunday, December 14th at 9:55PM EST (link)Hi: Not sure how cool this is to do, but I think my post from another diary fits perfectly in here as well.
http://www.redstate.com/martin_a_knight/2008/12/14/dear-sen-mccain-go-suck-a-lemon/#comment-459
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Senator McCain.
I wish to honestly thank you for two things and advise you regarding a additional matters.
First. Your service to The United States Of America as an officer of The United States Navy and going into harms way more than anyone should ever be required to do. Your fortitude under unspeakable conditions as a P.O.W. is beyond reproach.
Second. It is an honor to know your dedication to The United States Of America is at the forefront of everything you do.
Now then, in all honesty, I can’t believe that you believe that you can still “reach across the aisle” and work with people like Harry Reid and “The One”. They are dangerous at minimum and quite possibly traitorous in their words and actions.
On to another subject……… With all due respect Senator, don’t you ever and I mean DON’T EVER think of running for any other office again. In fact, I’d take it as a personal favor if tomorrow, you’d announce you’re not seeking re-election to The Senate. If you do decide to attempt another term, or seek another office, you haven’t the slightest idea what ‘The Wrath Of RedState’ will bring down upon thy personage in rebuttal of oratory and counter-campaigning in positive concert with your primary opponents.
In the matter of Governor Palin, how dare you, Sir….. HOW DARE YOU be part of besmirching such a fine American. The sole reason you received more than (I think this is a good guess) 25 percent of the popular vote was because of Governor Palin. If anybody ever again asks you about Governor Palin, please simply say, “A fine American, a true patriot and she will indeed be on the national scene restoring America to greatness.”
When in doubt of the seriousness of all this, please re-read the previous items and understand I have ‘a slight affinity’ for my country as well. You and I just see things a tad differently.
Thank you for your time and God Bless America.
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I said bullets first.
"Besmirching" Palin? 25% of the popular vote?
MrRational Sunday, December 14th at 9:58PM EST (link)If I were McCain reading this, I would have a good laugh over it.
Are you sure your name is not some hilarious misnomer?
Martin Knight Monday, December 15th at 6:15AM EST (link)We were told, over and over again by McCainiacs and other Beltway chatterers that thanks to his “Bipartisanship” and his regular joining with Democrats to hamstring the Bush Administration, McCain was going to turn Blue states Red, that he had deep and wide support in the “middle”, that he would take the fight to Obama.
Instead, we saw him become the first Republican to lose Virginia in 44 years, and lose states Bush barely needed to campaign in.
Let’s be clear here; prior to Palin being brought unto the ticket, McCain’s campaign coffers were running on empty and the guy could barely fill a mid-sized hotel conference room. The lady, on the other hand, effortlessly filled stadia. There’s every indication that if not for her he could have lost forty states.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
AMEN - I am giving you a standing ovation - this needs to be hand delivered to McCain
Elizabeth Christian Monday, December 15th at 12:22AM EST (link)That sums up my thoughts.
Palin rocks and McCain should be ashamed that he would put his jealously above what he really knows - Palin is 1,000,000 x better than McCain in my opinion and McCain is just jealous I think.
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Feel Betrayed?
OccamsRazor Sunday, December 14th at 10:33PM EST (link)Are We All REALLY STILL finding ourselves? What stage are we IN?
Anger?
It appears we’re getting past denial and getting into anger.
Get your head out of u’re butts.
Let’s GO!!!!!
Blah Blah Blah
AceInTX Monday, December 15th at 2:21AM EST (link)There is only one person that can evoke such anger…and peeing on Palin is just adds insult to the injury…
I don’t need to find myself…I know who I am…I can’t say the same for McGoo and his gang of sycophants and weenies!
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Senator McCain, THIS
Trelaina Monday, December 15th at 5:42AM EST (link)is why you lost the election. I understand why you might not have wanted to endorse someone before the 2009 inauguration, but you could have found a way to avoid doing so while supporting the woman who saved your campaign from a complete blowout.
Ugh.
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McCain could learn a lot from Palin
WHAT Monday, December 15th at 5:50AM EST (link)She was the only candidate that had any class in the election and talk about grace under fire … her grace is the stuff of legend.
Inner Truth
davo119 Monday, December 15th at 7:22AM EST (link)McCain hasn’t changed one whit. He was and remains a self centered jerk. The democrats and the MSM nominated him in the early primaries as the easiest to beat.
If he is extreemly fortunate history will grant him the footnote of a footnote of having brought Sarah Palin into the National arena. Otherwise he is completely unmemorable
Never give in! Never! Never! Never!
Operation Leper: Add the "Maverick" to the list. . .
RedWhite_and_Truth Monday, December 15th at 9:54AM EST (link)n/t
Erick....We've got a winner !
Kenny Solomon Monday, December 15th at 5:19PM EST (link)Senator McCain is on my list now.
I may be in South Flori-duh, but I’ll help our friends in ‘Zona any way I can.
Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.