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Speaker Pelosi wants to register your guns

We know what will follow if she gets away with it

On “Good Morning America” last week, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared:

“We don’t want to take their guns away. We want them registered.”

Somehow, I don’t think America’s 80 million firearms owners feel reassured.

People have, in fact, been buying guns and ammo at such a rapid pace since the election of President Obama that there is now an ammunition shortage in the U.S. Johnny Dury, proprietor of Dury’s Gun Shop in San Antonio, TX:

“It started the day that Obama got elected. It is when everything just went crazy in the gun business.”

Drury said people are buying the guns and bullets for several reasons, including the fear of more restrictive gun laws being enacted by a Democrat congress and willingly signed by a president whose record as a legislator on gun control has been one favoring increased restrictions and government regulation.

The leading legislation by which the Democrats in Congress and the White House want to register your guns is HR 45, commonly known as the Blair Holt bill or simply Blair Holt’s. The measure, introduced January 6 by Rep. Bobby Rush (D-IL) from Michelle Obama’s Real Chicago, includes – but is not limited to – the following restrictions:

* It will be “unlawful” to own a firearm without a license.
* Be required to submit a picture and thumbprint.
* Provide certification that the firearms are properly stored.
* Pass a written firearms exam which tests a persons knowledge of the safe storage of firearms in the presence of children, safe handling of firearms, risks associated with firearms, legal responsibilities of a firearm owner, and anything else the Attorney General deems fit.
* A release of any mental health records.
* Makes private sales illegal.
* Establishes a Federal Record of Sale system which records make, model, serial number, license of the transferee and name and address of the transferor.
* Provides for inspection of your home
* Reporting of lost or stolen firearms
* Notice of change of address

Not only does the bill trample on second amendment rights, but the provision for home inspections flies in the face of the fourth amendment. The prohibition on firearms sales between private owners also appears to be an unconstitutional restriction of commerce.

HR 45 is currently in committee.

One argument advanced by gun control advocates is that registering firearms helps police solve crimes. But there are major flaws in that way of thinking:

Politicians and bureaucrats routinely claim that registration helps solve crimes. If a registered gun is used in a crime and left at the crime scene, registration supposedly lets the police trace the gun back to the criminal. Though this turn of events might work on fictional TV crime shows, it virtually never occurs in real life. Criminals’ guns are rarely left at crime scenes. When guns are left behind, it usually is because a crook has been seriously injured or killed and the police are poised to catch him anyway.

The few guns left at crime scenes rarely – if ever – are registered to the perpetrator. If they are registered at all, it is to someone else, whose piece was stolen. Despite what Mrs. Pelosi might think, those who use guns to commit major crimes such as robbing and killing are unlikely to respect her request to file paperwork so the government can catalog the tools of their trade.

Authorities have in fact experienced serious problems tracking those firearms which they have registered:

DC Police Chief Cathy Lanier inadvertently admitted that the District’s gun registration program was a failure. According to the Chief, “Honestly, there are thousands of handguns that were registered in the city and I don’t know whether those handguns are still in the city.” Of the 41,000 handguns registered, the police department cannot account for 36,000.

The handguns in question were registered back in 1976 when the District’s near-total handgun ban became law. The law grandfathered handguns that already existed in the city, but required the owners to register them. The owners of 41,000 handguns dutifully registered the guns. Yet now, 32 years later, the District does not know where 88% of those handguns are.

Speaker Pelosi assures us that registration won’t lead to gun confiscation, citing a Supreme Court decision (District of Columbia v. Heller) which struck down the District’s handgun ban last June. But as the Washington Times editorial notes, that decision was a narrow 5-4 ruling which could be reversed by a more liberal SCOTUS in the future.

Gun rights activists claim that confiscation of firearms will follow registration. The history of gun confiscation in democratic societies provides ample supporting evidence for their arguments:

New Zealand has had some form of firearms registration since 1921. In 1974, all revolvers lawfully held for personal security were confiscated.

In May of 1995, Canada’s Bill C-68 prohibited previously legal and registered small-caliber handguns. Current owners of such guns were “grandfathered,” which means the guns are to be forfeited upon death of the owner. Bill C-68 also authorizes the Canadian government to enact future weapons prohibitions.

On 10 May 1996, Australia banned most semi-automatic rifles and semi-automatic and pump shotguns. Prior to this law, many Australian states and territories had firearms registration. Owners of these newly outlawed firearms were required to surrender them (with some monetary compensation). All such firearms are to be confiscated and destroyed after a 12-month amnesty program. Roughly 600,000 of an estimated 4 million Australian guns have been surrendered to authorities and destroyed.

“Since 1921, all lawfully-owned handguns in Great Britain are registered with the government, so handgun owners have little choice but to surrender their guns in exchange for payment according to government schedule…The handgun ban by no means has satiated the anti-gun appetite in Great Britain.”

Even in the United States, registration has been used to outlaw and confiscate firearms. In New York City, a registration system enacted in 1967 for long guns, was used in the early 1990s to confiscate lawfully owned semiautomatic rifles and shotguns. (Same source as previous paragraph) The New York City Council banned firearms that had been classified by the city as “assault weapons.” This was done despite the testimony of Police Commissioner Lee Brown that no registered “assault weapon” had been used in a violent crime in the city. The 2,340 New Yorkers who had registered their firearms were notified that these firearms had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city.

More recently, California revoked a grace period for the registration of certain rifles (SKS Sporters) and declared that any such weapons registered during that period were illegal. (California Penal Code, Chapter 2.3, Roberti-Ross Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 section 12281(f) ) In addition, California has prohibited certain semi-automatic long-rifles and pistols. Those guns currently owned, must be registered, and upon the death of the owner, either surrendered or moved out of state.

Citing a recent Gallup poll which shows support for gun control at an all-time low, the Times editorial worries that “even the will of the people” will not prevent the Democrats from making a serious grab for the guns of responsible, law-abiding, firearms owners.

Be afraid. Be very afraid. Like registration leafs to confiscation, let that fear lead you to anger, and let the anger propel you to action. Join the NRA. Or the GOA. Or both.

- JP

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  • drbob1988

    No surprises here…..this will truly change the fabric of the United States. We have been silent so far but this kind of intrusion will change all that. They must really think they can do ANYTHING they want…..what will happen when the resistance comes alive? Martial law?

    • garymorg

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      Many thanks to all!!

  • larryp

    list of those two organizations, NRA and GOA’ get subpoened….?

  • RoscoeP

    Roscoe and I hoard ammunition. Not becuase I fear I won’t be able to get any, but because I fear that the cost will be so outrageous that I won’t be able to teach my kids how to shoot with my illegal un-registered rifle or handgun. On the plus side I know that my investmen in ammunition is a good one as it will more like appreciate in value and will allow me to barter for food and clean water without having to push around a wheelbarrow full of American dollars.

    • char

      There was discussion of a 25 cent per round “tax” to finance our bankrupt hospital emergency rooms. As we all know, people who head to the range to practice are responsible for all the gunshot wounds in society, so why not tax them for it? (that’s sarcasm btw).

      The best part was that the proposed bill banned bringing ammunition across the border from AZ (illegal). Our state can’t balance its budget but it sure can crack down on police officers who want to do some target practice and law abiding citizens who want to pretend that the second amendment applies to them.

  • thegrognard

    Some states are moving to further restrict gun rights. I live in Central NY, and have been reading the last few days about new gun legislation coming down the pipe from Albany for 2010. There is a bill circulating in Albany that would not only essentially ban all “assault” weapons (read: semi-auto weapons), but that would also require those who owned such weapons prior to the ban to either render them inoperable or turn them into the State for ballistics tests and registration. What does anyone think the chances are of those “grandfathered” owners getting their “assault” weapons back after turning them in for the so-called ballistics test?

    I have a very good friend from college that lives on the other side of the state that is a big gun collector, hunter, and target shooter. He’s already told me that if the law passes, he’ll probably be killed in his own home, as he has no intention of surrendering any of the fire arms that he legally owns. And this guy is not some “right wing nut” either. He’s a professional and a gentleman, and to hear him talk like that was quite surprising.

    After he told me about these new gun laws NY is trying to pass, my wife and I have been talking, and we may simply leave the state, as much as I’d hate to. My friend has no wife or children to worry about, but I do, and leaving may be my only option. That entails selling everything, leaving friends and family and all that’s familiar, and so on. But am I going to let NY confiscate my guns?

    Maybe I’ll head for Texas or other parts south. /shurg

    Its depressing.

    • Josh Painter

      I recently returned home to the Lone Star State where I grew up and lived for 20 years. After a number of years knocking around in several other states, I can testify that there’s no place like Texas!

      - JP

      • thegrognard

        My wife and I just moved into a new home 8 months ago, and we’ve finally gotten settled in. We love the 30 acre wooded property that we have, and it just down the road from where I grew up and my parents still live.

        Do we try and sell out in the current market? This house was for sale for well over a year without a single offer before my wife and I picked it up.

        Do we leave my aging parents behind to fend for themselves, discplacing their grandchildren from them by hundreds and hundreds of miles? We were hoping by living close to them we’d be able to be there for them as they get older and less able to take care of themselves and their own property. They’d like to live in their own home as long as possible, and avoid retirement or nursing home living as long as possible (or forever, if their health remains good and we’re nearby).

        On the other hand, I was laid off from my job a month ago, and the economy is horrible here. I’m on unemployment, which I’ve never had to resort to in more than 20 years of working full time, and jobs are scarce. Its tempting to move to greener pastures given how things are going here economically.

        Its so damn liberal here it makes me want to gag, but this is where I grew up and I love the place I have. Between the taxes, bad economy, and the government overreach (its not just guns NY wants to heavily regulate), it scares me to think about investing myself and my family here more than we already have.

        But do I give it all up, leave my parents to their own devices, and leave state? Man, that’s a tough one.

        And if I do leave, am I giving up the fight?

        Its all well and good to talk about not letting NY take our guns away, but I have a family to consider and can’t have them in the crossfire.

        /sigh

    • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

      “I have a very good friend from college that lives on the other side of the state that is a big gun collector, hunter, and target shooter. He?s already told me that if the law passes, he?ll probably be killed in his own home, as he has no intention of surrendering any of the fire arms that he legally owns.”

      Figured out awhile back and made my peace that there is the distinct probability that’s how I’ll end my days….. At home in a firestorm of gunfire from our own people under orders to take out fellow countrymen.

      I absolutely refuse to surrender my freedom, rights and liberties to anyone……. ever…….. That especially goes for the right to defend my own life against tyranny of the State.

      Sounds a tad on the radical side, but then so were our founding fathers.

      Molon Labe

  • char

    When the other aspects of their agenda fail. Gun regulation for lefties is what you do when you can’t do the big things, when you want to throw your base a bone to chew on.

  • pac_NY

    Everything Obama and the Democrats in Congress propose screams total control of American citizens.

    This administration’s quest to establish their dictatorship has got to end, but likely will not end until Obama is out of office, the sooner the better.

    But, where – who – is able to stop this ongoing madness?

    We are fast becoming economically, politically and personally almost utterly defenseless, and our children will be the ones to ultimately pay the price.

    Many Americans already see the writing on the wall. People are anxious, and they are getting restless.

    What more will it take before the good citizens of this nation to rise up and say “Enough!!”?

  • Paul_In_Houston

    We want them registered.?

    ?We don?t want to take their guns away yet. We want them registered first.
    (So we’ll know where to go looking.)?

    There! Fixed it.

    -

  • IJB

    That’s the ultimate hole in the whole gun confiscation argument – if they try it, no one will “volunteer” to give up their guns.

    Then what?! What are the Einsteins going to do then?!

    • Achance

      then their running dogs in the media will just do a Randy Weaver on you and your epitaph will be “Here Lies a Rightwing Extremist.”

      • mom2oneson

        I don’t understand how can the government kill like that.

        There was an unarmed mother of six I believe that was killed by police a while back too.

        • Achance

          justified in using deadly force to secure compliance with an order. They give you an order to come out and hand over your gun. If you don’t come out and surrender so they can take your gun, they kill you and then take your gun.

          Before the next four years are over, we on the R side of the fence are going to deeply regret the power that law enforcement has been given through the so-called war on drugs and the War on Terror. Practically every police force in the Country has been militarized both in their weapons and their tactics.

          • thegrognard

            about the militarization of the police, and the power that government now has due to drug enforcement and anti-terrorism.

            The sad thing is that most people (myself included) are pro-law enforcement and believe in being tough on crime, which really muddies the waters on stuff like this.

            When it comes to cops knocking on doors to collect guns, how is the general public going to react when gun owners choose to keep their firearms and face off against the cops?

            Its not a pretty scenario.

          • thegrognard

            about the militarization of the police, and the power that government now has due to drug enforcement and anti-terrorism.

            The sad thing is that most people (myself included) are pro-law enforcement and believe in being tough on crime, which really muddies the waters on stuff like this.

            When it comes to cops knocking on doors to collect guns, how is the general public going to react when gun owners choose to keep their firearms and face off against the cops?

            Its not a pretty scenario.

          • other_nate

            in Britain and in OZ. The overwhelming reaction is fear– thankfulness that it wasn’t them, because one thing that law enforcement is VERY good at, perhaps better than at anything else, is intimidation. The real zealots and crazies will be made into vivid examples of the peril of non-compliance, the mainstream press will provide ample marketing to this end, and rest of us sheeple will go off and bury our firearms in the backyard.

            I could be wrong. Maybe we’re not Australia. I don’t even want to find out.

      • IJB

        …And the result is a general rebellion.

        There’s a reason The Left has never really tried to grab on to that rail – 1) it is politically unpopular, 2) it is impossible to implement without some serious hurricane-force blowback.

        You can try that on one lone guy. Try it in a more widespread fashion, and the results will be… unfavorable to the other side.

    • other_nate

      And the government does not care one way or the other. Disarmament will be a slow erosion of the right to bear arms. Once the initial wave of trade-ins is complete, the politicians will be justified even by the mere appearance of a cooperative public. From that point forward, the rest of the job is accomplished over years and decades by the police, the FBI,, and the ATF, one gun-owner at a time.

      It’s how it happened in Australia, and it’s how it will happen here.

      I understand there’s been some animosity here toward the NRA recently, but they may well be the most important civil-rights organization we have right now.

  • Achance

    in America. There is a very large percentage of the population that would applaud any use of force against “rightwing extremists.” There is also a large percentage that couldn’t be pulled away from American Idol by any event perpetrated by mortal men. As Katrina showed us, there are large groups in America not capable of acting even to save their lives; they sure aren’t going to do anything about an abstraction.

    Many on the Left in the ’60s wanted to incite revolution and some tried by violent means. It didn’t get the Helter-Skelter they sought because of apathy, not because there wasn’t the desire.

    • Achance
    • IJB

      There are definitely enough people out there for a general rebellion, if not a Civil War.

      The last gazillion elections have shown us that things are split 50-50.

      If even 10% of either 50 (i.e. just 5% of the total) gets riled up… well, let’s just say that’s more than enough to overwhelm the system.

      • other_nate

        Who are you going to fight? The police? How many of those “riled up” people are going to retain their bravado in the face of actual enforcement?

        If you’ve been arrested at gunpoint, you’ll know what I mean when I say that cops are f*ckin scary in action. How many of us are willing to risk death or prison? I’ll venture a guess and say — not many.

        So then what? Organize? Organize a “militia”? Once the applicable laws are passed, militias will properly be called criminal organization, and will be afforded the full courtesy of the every LE agency in the country.

        No, if we ever get to the point where there’s a “rebellion”, we’ll have already lost. The time to do something about this is now, while we’re still sane and empowered.

        • DONTREADONME

          as long at that ballot box is secret and the people can still choose their elected representatives (minus MN “Franken”) we will not have to worry about a rebellion other than at the ballot box.

          Now for some conjecture, rebellions will occur at the state leve. That is states like Texas, Alaska (global warming it will be a boom state :) ) may say, screw this, we no longer want to be part of the USA. Liberal courts would have to allow it, since they hate texas anyway. Besides, that pesky 10th amendment and all. I am being a little facetious, but you are right not much we can do in the face of a disarmed powerless state government system against the mighty Federal Power.

          • other_nate

            how much ground has been lost already. The fact that I’m actually scared by Pelosi’s talk tells me how much things have changed.

            Strong state governments may have been the main obstacle to federal attacks on civil liberties in the past. I understand that goes both ways, too, and that may be one of the reasons that the states have lost so much power in modern times. Southern states did us NO favor during the civil rights movement when they essentially begged the federal govt. to spank them sensible.

            Let alone that whole Civil War thingy. I don’t imagine the “rest” of the country being too sympathetic with any sort of assertion of independence on the part of The South, especially if the word “rebellion” is actually used.

            And yes, that goes for Texas too. What you say may be true, and more important than most people realize– liberal courts may hate Texas (if I may take a turn on your metaphor). They’ll be anxious to make an example of it.

  • tcprath

    You forgot to mention Eric Holder’s comment to the extent that he will NOT let the 2nd Amendment get in his way.

    http://www.saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=291

    And the Leftists are looking down their noses at us like we are a bunch of stupid rednecks. I know it is their way, but they sure do look stupid when logically confronted with the truth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWm0Zt91r_E

  • http://www.redstate.com/evanweeks/ EvanWeeks

    … than the attempted disarmament of the public, especially here in the southern states, where hunting for some families is no more a sport than tilling their fields. It’s to put meat on their table.

    I have to admit, I’ll be right there in the thick of things if such an open revolution occur. I and so many like me have simply had enough.

    • http://www.braindeadrepublican.com Michael DeWeese

      When kids took their guns to school so that they could bring meat home with them after school.

  • Diogenes314

    “One argument advanced by gun control advocates is that registering firearms helps police solve crimes. ”

    You know what else would help the police “solve crimes”? How about doing away with that pesky Miranda ruling. For that matter, let’s get rid of the right to legal representation altogether. That should help out with conviction rates. Habeus Corpus-definitly halping out the criminal element. As is that idiotic requirement for search warrents. It’s about crime prevention. If you8′re a bad guy the cops should be allowed to search you, your house, your family’s house and the guy next door. For that matter, why not let them beat the tar out of thew ‘perp’ until he confesses. That would make “crime solving” a whole lot easier.

    Get with the program, people.

  • tcprath

    Expect ammunition to continue to get scarce. Talking to friends at S&W and Cabela’s, ammunition cannot be produced fast enough by the manufactures. What ammo is produced is being allotted to the retailers that have the best payment track records. Expect Cabela’s to be at the top of that list.

    S&W is seriously backordered on certain models of firearms. You are seeing this with all of the firearm manufactures, but there are models that are backordered from a month to over a year. The lists are still growing as well.

    Good luck getting reloading equipment as well! And Check out Drury’s if you are ever in San Antonio. Great store, and people! Thanks Josh for quoting Drury’s.