It seems like the announcement came out of nowhere this weekend:
Governor Jon M. Huntsman Jr. will resign and accept an appointment as ambassador to China, ABC 4 has confirmed.
The official announcement came during a press conference held by President Obama Saturday morning at the White House in the Diplomatic Room.
President Obama asked the people of Utah to forgive him for taking their
Governor but called the China ambassadorship a job, “as important as any
in the world.”Governor Huntsman said Saturday that he wasn’t looking for a new job,
but “When the President of the United States asks you to step up and serve in a capacity like this, that to me is the end of the conversation.”
The reaction by many shocked political junkies was, “What?” The reaction by most others was, “Who?” Huntsman had very little name recognition before the president’s announcement, but his name had surfaced in various places in the past few weeks.
On NBC’s Meet the Press March 29, Sen. John McCain was asked by David Gregory if the former Republican presidential candidate would like to see his running mate become president. His answer was revealing:
“I’d like to see her compete. I think we’ve got some very good candidates: Jon Huntsman and–the problem when I run down these names, I always leave, leave out a, a name–Bobby Jindal, Tim Pawlenty. There’s, there’s so many. There’s a lot of good, fresh talent out there.”
What was remarkable about that answer was not so much McCain’s perceived diss of Sarah Palin, but rather the floating of Huntsman’s name as a serious player in the GOP presidential games of 2012.
Huntsman has close ties to both John McCain and Mitt Romney. The Utah governor signed on to McCain’s presidential campaign very early on – in July of 2006 – and became a co-chairman of McCain’s political action committee, helping coordinate politics and policy for the Arizona senator in the West. His father had been a leading contributor to Romney’s PAC and had expressed his support for a Romney run for the White House. According to reports, the younger Huntsman had been an informal Romney adviser on foreign policy matters.
Until McCain dropped Huntsman’s name onto the MTP round table, however, the Utah governor had not been seen as a major contender for the Republican Party’s 2012 presidential nomination. At best, he had received occasional mention as a possible dark horse in the race. His name had also been floated as a potential vice presidential pick by McCain in a Associated Press story in February of last year, but few took it seriously given that both McCain and Huntsman are from Western states, and neither had the kind of appeal to conservatives that turns out the party’s base on election day.
But on May 5, barely five weeks after being mentioned by McCain on the Sunday morning talk show, Huntsman’s name popped up again. On U.S. News’ political gossip blog Washington Whispers, Nikki Schwab posted that there was one potential GOP opponent who makes Obama campaign manager David Plouffe “a wee bit queasy”:
“I think the one person in that party who might be a potential presidential candidate is Gov. Jon Huntsman of Utah,” says Plouffe. “I think he’s really out there and speaking a lot of truth about the direction of the party.”
Plouffe made sure to add that just four short years ago, Obama “wasn’t even in the conversation” and that the eventual GOP presidential nominee could be “someone that none of us are really talking about right now.” With that wave of the green flag, the drive-by media was off to the races. Nearly every old media outlet breathlessly reported that Huntsman was the one candidate that Obama “fears the most.”
In writing their stories, they contacted political experts guaranteed to help them transform Huntsman into a serious presidential contender. Salt Lake City’s ABC News affiliate KTVX-TV, for example, called on Kirk Jowers of the University of Utah’s Hinckley Institute of Politics:
And Jowers – who has advised three republican presidential candidates – says Huntsman has now, “…become a top five candidate for 2012.”
Well, there’s a mutual fund you can buy into. Just six weeks after McCain rolled out Jon Huntsman 2.0 and the day after the campaign manager for perpetual candidate Barack Obama created the illusion that Team Obama had the little-known Utah governor in block A1 of their threat matrix, Huntsman had made The Top Five.
To put icing on the cake, just eleven days after Plouffe told US News that the prospect of going up against the mighty political steam roller that is Jon Huntsman made him “a wee bit queasy,” we were treated to the political theater of President Obama making the fierce Utah governor an offer he couldn’t refuse. We are led to assume that this was done to “get Huntsman out of the way.” Indeed, on the same day of Obama’s announcement, the Associated Press dutifully spread the meme in a story which was picked up by media outlets across the country:
“With a reach across the political divide for Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman as ambassador to China, President Barack Obama may have sidelined for now a potentially formidable Republican moderate and possible White House challenger in 2012.”
The key words in that lead-off paragraph are “for now” because, of course, there’s nothing to prevent Huntsman from serving his two years in China and returning to lead the Stupid Party to another defeat at the hands of the Democrats.
A Republican Party with the extremely moderate Huntsman as its candidate would have a hard time turning out the base, no matter how conservative a running mate Huntsman would have to name. The GOP has been down this road before, and even though the 2008 ticket’s Number Two may have saved McCain from a really embarrassing landslide defeat, it’s who occupies the presidential candidate who really determines turnout on election day. Huntsman could pick conservative icon Duncan Lee Hunter himself or even the younger Duncan D. Hunter who now has his father’s former U.S. House seat, and it wouldn’t make any difference – just more crumbs from the table for conservatives.
Saturday’s announcement by the president was John Weaver’s cue to enter, stage left. Weaver, a Huntsman strategist and former close adviser to McCain, managed to get the ear of the Washington Examiner’s respected conservative Chief Political Correspondent Byron York, whose report was published today:
The Republican strategist who helped Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman prepare for a possible presidential run says the Republican party is in for a devastating defeat if its guiding lights are Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney. “If it’s 2012 and our party is defined by Palin and Limbaugh and Cheney, then we’re headed for a blowout,” says strategist John Weaver, who advised Huntsman and was for years a close adviser to Sen. John McCain. “That’s just the truth.”
Weaver is hardly the pinnacle of credibility, and he would be an unlikely poster boy for the virtue of political loyalty:
Weaver, an apparent McCain loyalist, had provided the critical, on-the-record foundation for stories denigrating the senator.
This is not the first time Weaver finds himself in the middle of an uproar. A brooding, volatile, longtime top strategist who serves as a favorite inside source for political reporters, Weaver had a high-profile falling-out with Karl Rove in the late 1980s and a well-publicized reunion with him a decade and a half later. In 2002, Weaver left the Republican Party, worked for Democratic candidates, and then returned to McCain’s side shortly afterward.
Weaver brokered the Romney endorsement of John McCain and orchestrated the public reconciliation between McCain and President Bush after the 2000 primary campaign got really down and dirty:
Putting together that meeting required that he make peace with his old nemesis Rove. Yet during the same campaign, Weaver was reported to be informally advising John F. Kerry and discussing with him the prospect of a Kerry-McCain ticket.
You’ve got to hand it to McCain and the Democrats, however, because this entire Huntsman scam is a beautiful piece of political work. With Huntsman’s hat in the ring, I can guarantee you that McCain will have no trouble naming just one name as the next leader of the GOP. The once obscure Utah governor will receive his earnest endorsement, and all of the names McCain has named as potential standard bearers (plus a few he “forgot”) will have been headed off at the pass in one fell swoop. As an added bonus, McCain gets to serve Romney a cold dish of payback for the sometimes nasty 2008 Republican presidential primaries. Romney can hardly get away with kneecapping Huntsman, a friend and fellow Latter Day Saint. He will be forced to climb aboard the train, with McCain in the engineer’s seat and Team Obama staffing the railroad’s control center. And after stabbing conservatives in the back so many times in the past, he intends to finish them off this time, at least as far as the GOP is concerned.
And so the Maverick Man the drive-by media chose with the blessing of the Democrat Party as the 2008 Republican presidential candidate has chosen his successor for 2012, again with the blessing of the Democrats and the help of their media allies. In the words of candidate Obama, “You can’t make this stuff up, folks.” Maybe not, but someone can… and did. Or maybe I’m just too much of a conspiracy theorist. You decide.
- JP
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Huntsman, good luck with China!
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 8:35PM EST (link)Your job for Obama may be forcing the Chinese to buy more US bonds.
If so, you’re doomed to fail.
Another RINO lured by the glimmer of the Obamanesque powers.
Any ways, good riddance for the people of Utah.
No Maybe About It. You're Right.
farstar99 (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 6:10AM EST (link)The ChiComs are sick of hearing Obama’s current flacks and their pitches.
I was wondering how McCain would sabotage us for Soros and Obama in 2012.
Now we know.
Manchurian Candidate? Sino-Sinise! Gesundheit.
blooch Tuesday, May 19th at 10:34AM EST (link)Huntsman/Sinise ’12….brought to you by the Gossipy Old Prattlers.
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Rod_Patrick (Diary) Wednesday, May 20th at 5:39AM EST (link)Why couldn't these smarties advise McCain on his
antisocial (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 8:41PM EST (link)own fate? Either these guys were sabotaging McCain’s campaign or they were Stupid.
If John McCain endorses this guy, that will be like a curse to any hopes he might have of a career in Presidential politics.
Let us not bother about this. These guys deserve to be ignored.
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
And an endorsement from Obama's going to help him turn out the Republican base?
Next93 (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 9:14PM EST (link)N/T
Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.
Why?
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 9:21PM EST (link)Why is it that so many wealthy people who run for office are mushy moderates? Are they raised without principles and therefore are incapable of articulating clearly what they believe? Huntsman is just another in a long line of rich playboys who want to be in politics because, well golly gee wouldn’t it be cool to have all that power and to have people call you “Governor” or “Senator” and just think of all the parties there would be, the people to meet, and being in an elite circle.
We desperately need to get rid of these elitist ba$tards in both parties who want to tell us how to live. The only difference between them and the Democrats is of degree.
We have to prune the power of the federal government and reclaim Federalism so our politicians have more power at the state level than at the national level. I believe we’d get a better quality politician.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
Ponnuru on Huntsman
jimmyg Monday, May 18th at 9:38PM EST (link)I’ve just read this at the Corner at NRO. Maybe we are too quick to judge?
“I’ve now read a few articles and blog posts either lauding the Utah governor as a moderate or denouncing him as same. Huntsman has signed pro-life bills, voucher bills, and tax cuts. Yes, he is open to some kind of civil union for gay couples and wants Republicans to make more of an effort on environmental issues. But if that’s all it takes for a Republican politician to get an image both inside and outside the party as a “moderate” these days, that’s a pretty good thing, isn’t it?”
He is also a
Rapunzel46 Monday, May 18th at 10:03PM EST (link)“Greenie” in the same vein as Arnold…. no thanks!
Even his replacement is saying he will keep up the same environmental policies. I can tell you friends in Utah who are conservatives do not have the same high opinion of him as the article you quote.
Among conservatives, Ponnuru is hardly
Josh Painter (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 10:12PM EST (link)what could be discribed as hard core. Huntsman is a cap-and-trader and has called for a more moderate party at a time when it has become so moderate that it has lost two elections in a row, both houses of Congress and the White House.
When will Republicans have had their fill of losing to Democrats by trying to be Democrat Lite?
- JP
“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)
Never
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 10:31PM EST (link)The RINO’s of today are the Democrats of early decades. As the Democrats have moved left, RINO’s have moved in to fill the void.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
Among which conservatives?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 10:44PM EST (link)I can’t remember ever hearing anyone bashing Ramesh.
He’s posted in Red Hot before you know.
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I was not bashing him.
Josh Painter (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 12:21AM EST (link)He’s got a great intellect, and I enjoy reading him. Ramesh is always thought-provoking, and s superb writer.
Just saying that among conservative thinkers, he’s not on the rightmost end of that part of the spectrum.
- JP
“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)
No offense taken, JP
rponnuru Tuesday, May 19th at 1:43PM EST (link)And btw, I wasn’t saying Huntsman is my ideal choice for president or anything–just that he isn’t Olympia Snowe, either.
None was meant, good sir.
Josh Painter (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 2:46PM EST (link)You’re more open-minded than I, and that is meant as a compliment.
And your point that Huntsman is no Olympia Snowe is well-taken. I’m simply of the opinion that the Republican Party should try to better match its candidates to its platform.
Can’t the GOP try running a conservative for a change?
- JP
“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)
I Don't Particularly Like Him (nt)
IJB Tuesday, May 19th at 1:15AM EST (link)Could we at least save some of the vitriol...
mikefisk (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 11:34PM EST (link)…for those who are actually, you know, vehemently opposed to us?
I’m getting sick of this circular firing squad thing. Sure, Huntsman’s not especially great on environmental issues from my perspective, but going after him like some commenters have, or even slinging barbs in the directions of those who support him…
I support certain Republican candidates simply in an effort to stem the tide of the erosion of more and more of our personal freedoms to Leviathan. But the more I see from these sorts of comments, not only is nobody watching the watchmen, the watchmen have arranged a mass murder/suicide in utter silence.
“Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant.” – Michael Fisk
9.25, -4.77
sounds familiar - and doubtful
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 11:42PM EST (link)I’ve tried to express the same sentiment on several occasions, but it seems there is something in the Spring air here the last week or so with people wanting to argue with those they “mostly” agree with! Abandoning Common-ground and going at the enemy Demoncrats for hunting down people to argue with here instead.
NOTE: General comment, I’ve not read this thread and just responding to the general comment title mike wrote.
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He's willing to work for Obama and carry out his appeasement policy in China
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 11:00AM EST (link)isn’t that all we need to know about the man?
and circular firing squad my ample rear end….the only people whining about that are the people who’ve driven this party into the ground and insist we keep digging!
"He's willing to work for Obama"
Diogenes314 (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 11:07AM EST (link)As he should. I mean, Palin was willing to run with McClown, sometimes you just have to suck it up and do what’s best for the country.
heh
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 11:56AM EST (link)good point
anonymousbosch Monday, May 18th at 11:43PM EST (link)Seems to me when the Republicans run a conservative at the top of the ticket, we do pretty good. See Reagan, George W Bush, and Bush41(ca 88, not 92). When we run moderates we don’t do so good. See McCain, Dole, Ford. I’m not gonna go all the way back to Nixon and earlier.
If you were to make a chart of least to most conservative of the 9 tickets we’ve had since 76, you’d find the 5 most conservative guys all won, and the 4 least conservative guys all lost. That’s no coincidence when you have that large a sample.
Also, all we hear dis how moderate McCain is and how great he is with independents. The fact is Bush did much better with independents in both 00 and 04 than McCain did last year. He did much better with moderates in both 00 and 04 than McCain did. And of course he did a bit better with with Republicans and conservatives.
Moderates and Independents tend to lack convictions and vote for the guy they think will win. They mirror the polls. Once the polls shifted and the economy collapsed and the media proclaimed Obama the winner, they all went for him to join the bandwagoin and feel good.
But the GOP isn’t going to win by going moderate.And quite frankly if it did win moderate it wouldn’t be the GOP. I mean, if Obama all of a sudden announced he was a Republican, don’t think too many of us would be happy.
What’s happening now is similar to what happened in the party during the Goldwater time and during the 70s when the conservatives saw an opening to weaken the Rockefeller/east coast wing and take control. Now, after a couple of losses, the Rockefeller wing sees their opening to take control back.
As Reagan said, it is indeed “A Time For Choosing”
Wow, that was a downer
Return to Revolution (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 9:40PM EST (link)was it Moe who mentioned STORC in a recent post? (Super Tired and Overmatched Republican Caucus)
sheesh.
Out of hand Constitutional fetishist
Something smells fishy...
wellsy (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 10:19PM EST (link)It also occurred to me how odd it was for no one to hear of Jon Huntsman until Plouffe puffed him up, then for this great threat to be offered a diplomatic post while his team tries to set the direction for the GOP, Maybe I’m too much of a cynic, but I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to think the Obama team, in exchange for the ambassadorship and some national promotion, suggested to the Huntsman squad they might want to start setting the narrative for the GOP.
I'll be happy to drive all of them to the airport
katesmith (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 10:36PM EST (link)I appreciate the work and information presented in this post, but it proves yet again: McCain does not deserve a shred of our attention. We do not exist to him. He should not exist to us. He deserves less than nothing from us. I don’t care about his political games. Anyone who advocates massive taxation of our already dead economy deserves to explain why he should not be in jail. I will be happy to drive Huntsman, his father and any of their pals to the airport and turn them over to the authorities from Communist China.
Get a rope!
jbonham76 (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 1:48AM EST (link)Does Hutsman eat little kids too? C’mon we are all smarter than this. Huntsman has huge approval ratings in a very Red state.
And Huntsman advised Romney on Foreign Policy? This makes no sense and is laughable at best. These guys are rivals and have been since 2001. Plus Romney has plenty of advisers, why would he choose the one guy in Utah that didn’t endorse him to advise him? And, when did Romney knee cap Huntsman?
This just seems like bitter paranoia, nothing informative.
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No one is bashing Huntsman here! Huntsman is bashing himself by accepting that "post". nt
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 4:12AM EST (link)A lot of manure around this subject...
Diogenes314 (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 9:34AM EST (link)Starting with…
Exactly haw and why would he turn it down? One thing that separates the GOP from the useless tools in the other party is the belief that politics still stops at the river’s edge. And the China post is going to be a crucial one, should he say no and have a Kennedy or Kerry type appointed in his stead? As to…
And exactly how is Huntsman going to look kneecaping a fellow LDS who will be, if not thwe frontrunner, at least one of them? Also, his statements on the direction of the party aside, what is there in his record to give him the dreaded RINO sobriquet?
Much ado about nothing here.
I can understand why you can't be sensitive on this issue.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 11:23AM EST (link)I assume you are Liberal-Republican, or whatever.
As a Republican, I am very sensitive to this issue.
I strongly oppose Huntsman’s acceptance of such position because I still consider him as a Republican. I believe that Obama’s Administration is Socialist, Statist and Totalitarian. It is something that is totally opposed to Republicanism. Thus, it’s my Personal conviction that serving the Obama Administration is “self-bashing” to any true Republican.
Please check the chronology of events that have led to Huntsman’s appointment by Obama (not yet official, I think.) IMO, there is a political overture behind this. The changing “spins” that the HuffPo has played regarding Hunstman have been very insightful:
Reference: Just search “Huntsman” article at HuffPo and see how he turned out to be another Specter-victimized-by-conservatives in the eyes of the Liberals.
The most recent “meme” is this:
Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/15/jon-huntsman-to-be-named_n_204201.html
I leave you to your own intepretation of the above block quote.
On the other hand, I agree it’s a crucial position for Huntsman. In fact, it will be very significant if Obama is really cooking up something SO BIG particularly on the US-China Climate Change Deal. If Huntsman accepts the position, he will be the most prominent “RINO” in the spearheading the Carbon cap-and-trade strategy of Obama, among others. That besides the issue of promoting US bonds to China and Japan. So Goodluck to your soon-to-be Ambassador Huntsman!
Source:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/18/secret-us-china-emissions-talks
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/may/01/q-and-a-copenhagen-summit
But with due respect, I don’t think that the China position from Lord Obama will still be very significant to a man who already served as Dep. Trade Representative and Ambassador to Singapore.
Or: Should i say goodluck to your Presidential Candidate Hunstman on 2016? Now, that’s getting funny.
Finally:
Don’t use the word “manure” to me. You can make your own points clearly without resorting to such words. I’ve learned that from Moe in my 10 months of stay here at RS.
Would you preder silliness or nonsense in the future?
Diogenes314 (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 11:47AM EST (link)My point is that it is the duty of those in the adult party to try to assist the nation in our time of crisis. Country trumps politics, and whatever buffoon The One picks to replace him has got to be worse.
If The One tries promoting these, he can always resign.
Not a chance.
Sorry if I offended your delicate sensibilities. Would you prefer silliness or nonsense in the future?
Okey. bro. I prefer "silly".
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 4:34PM EST (link)You said:
You mean a future Chinese Ambassador Huntsman should resign if Obama promotes Cap-and-trade in the near future? Do you really know Gov. Huntsman’s positions before making this suggestion? HUNTSMAN IS FOR STIMULUS, BAILOUT AND CLIMATE CHANGE. … not much difference with Obama’s policies, heh! (I haven’t even considered yet his liberal policies on many social issues.) Your position is silly to me. How can Huntsman oppose Cap-and-Trade and resign if he’s actually for it and believes in it?
You said:
Couple of points:
1. Given Huntsman positions on many issues, I’m not sure if he’s part of this so-called Adult Party. If he is, your so-called Adult Party is not “very adult” and mature, after all.
2. I think you’re somehow insinuating about “bipartisanship” for the country’s sake. Did your Adult Party’s bipartisaship work well for the Country in the last 4 years? Maybe. But please admit that it was somehow the main reason why some of the “moderates” and “independents” are presently irritated by your so-called Adult Party.
3. I smell a typical stratagem of Chicago politics here. I repeat: HuffPo won’t be giving this kind of very positive statement involving a Republican for free: With a reach across the political divide for Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman as ambassador to China, President Barack Obama may have sidelined for now a potentially formidable Republican moderate and possible White House challenger in 2012.
>>> Obama needs a few Republicans to sugarcoat his agenda and use the same as scapegoat in the end. Reid is trumpeting the idea that “with just one Republican vote, an entire Bill will become a bipartisan and unity bill”. Apply that to 1 Governor in Obama’s Administration and you get the full Democrat version of “Bipartisanship”.
You said:
As I pointed out above, Huntsman is actually worse to the cause of the conservatives and the Country itself in so many issues. Huntsman is both “Cap-and-Trade” and pro-Stimulus. So, I’m not sure anymore if Huntsman is better than an average Liberal wannabe for the said position.
You said:
No you don’t offend me. I was suggesting a better way of communication. But just take your sorry with you. You know it’s fake. I don’t need it.
On the trite endorsement of HuffPo to the “hypothetical” Huntsman’s 2016 bid, you said:
Thanks. This response is SENSICAL.
Finally, I stick to my original position that Huntsman is just bashing himself as a Republican if he accepts Obama’s offer. LOL!
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Some links to Huntsman’s Positions on Climate Change:
http://gaia.econ.utah.edu/magazine/support-governor-huntsmans-climate-change-efforts
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1244181
Huntsman isn't being "bashed"
Adjoran (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 2:51AM EST (link)when people point out the fact he is not quite a movement conservative. That’s just a fact.
It’s a good pick for Obama and Huntsman. Obama gets to trumpet his “bipartisanship” and gets an Ambassador who actually speaks the language. Huntsman adds to his resume without much risk – ambassadors are seldom blamed nowadays for policy or diplomatic problems with the countries in which they serve (quick! Who is the current Ambassador to China? Russia? UK? Israel? Japan?).
We do know now, as an indisputable fact, that Huntsman is not a conservative at heart, else McCain would never have reached out to help him.
I'm Confused
gsy987 Tuesday, May 19th at 3:15AM EST (link)So make sure I’m reading this post correctly. John McCain really is involved in some elaborate conspiracy with the Democrats to make sure that the media learns about John Huntsman because McCain wants to make sure moderates get elected so the GOP is always losing elections.
First off, your logic here makes no coherent sense. The clear evidence from the 2008 campaign is that Sarah Palin actually hurt us among moderate voters (which, like it or not, you need to win in order to win presidential elections) and while she drove up base turnout, McCain still lost.
Also, I’m befuddled by the notion here that just because a Republican doesn’t appeal to the “true” conservative roots of the party all the time means that we should go banishing them and claim that there are “conspiracies” between moderate Republicans (who all, except for Collins and Snowe) voted against the stimulus package and Democrats.
My father here is exhibit A right now in everything that is wrong with the Republican party right now. He’s a classic, northern Virginia moderate Republican, who felt isolated from the GOP through the continued emphasis on loyalty and social issues, and actually in the end voted for Obama.
Its these voters that we are ignoring by claiming elaborate “conspiracy” theories among moderate Republicans, who, like it or not, we need to vote for us in order to win elections. Pushing people like Hunstman out hurts us, and helps the Democrats. Enough said.
HEY! "Sarah Palin actually hurt us among moderate voters" - SUPPORT THIS CLAIM PLEASE. nt
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 3:17AM EST (link)He got that from the lefty sites.
Brian Hibbert (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 8:34AM EST (link)It’s a KOS talking point with no basis in fact. When I pointed them to the spike in the opinion polls (before I got banned), they claimed that was the normal reaction to any candidate being selected for VP.
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With all due respect; your Dad should go on over to the Democrats.
Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 5:59AM EST (link)True – it sure does sound like your Dad is the type of Republican that is wrong with the GOP right now. As Specter, Jeffords, Chafee, Schwarz, Leach, Gilchrest, etc. have proven – it is too much to expect loyalty from “moderates”. That would require them to take a side, and stick to it, and we all know “moderates” are without spine – I am yet to see any of the media’s designated “moderates” stand strong on an issue the instant it is labeled “divisive” or “controversial”.
So far what I’ve found out is that the bulk of so-called Republican “moderates” have absolutely no idea about any of the issues that matter. They outsource their thinking to the liberal Press and are obsessed with trying to please Democrats so they can get what they think is respect.
If you really want to know why moderates in the GOP get such a bum rap is that when we look at Democrat moderates, we notice a few things. Whenever they’re on print and broadcast, they’re not bashing their own party. They do not call their fellow party members “extremists.” They do not sabotage their own leadership. They do not place Bipartisanship™ above achieving their party’s legislative goals. They do not trade in the other side’s talking points. They don’t go on Rush to agree that other Democrats are troglodytes. They never proclaim the mainstream of their party as “too liberal” or “too far to the Left.” In other words, when the SHTF they’re loyal, they’re Democrats.
But “moderate” Republicans are an entirely different kettle of fish. Now, not only do they not want to vote with the other side with regards to policy, they want to go along with Democrats on procedural votes as well.
Before on RedState, defenders of “moderates” tried to pass off the fantasy that moderates were “fiscally conservative.” That is; until Snowe, Collins, Specter (with able support by “moderate” Govs like Crist and Schwarzenegger) sacrificed the nation’s financial health – not because they thought it would work, because they never even read the bill – on the altar of Bipartisanship™ and getting invitations to talk to liberal news hosts on TV. Now, every one of them is silent.
Thanks to their constant badmouthing of their own party, most of the “loyalty is too much to ask of us” “moderates” in Congress like your father (the ones that would have voted with Obama on the ‘Stimulus’) were voted out in 2006 in 2008 by Independents convinced by their own words echoing (as usual) the Democrats that the GOP is full of extremists, racists, sexists, anti-environmental neanderthals.
Here’s my advice to your “Republican”-for-Obama Dad and this is with all due respect, he should switch his registration to Democrat and be done with it. Like Meghan McCain he sounds like someone who sees no redeeming value in the party he claims to be a member of and everything to admire in the Democrat Party – the fact that we nominated John ‘Maverick Moderate’ McCain, the man “moderate’s” Bible (i.e. the New York Times) endorsed for us, and yet he voted for Barack Obama anyway, says this more convincingly than any words he (or you) can say to the contrary.
At this point, unless they get over their aversion to loyalty and paralyzing fear of journalist disapproval, “moderates” like your Dad are no different from a Fifth Columnists – it’s far more harmful to have them within the Tent than without it.
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itrytobenice (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 5:40PM EST (link)A million times 5. 5 to the millionth power even.
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any R who voted Obama is a D and ought to just make the leap!...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 6:28AM EST (link)There is nothing Conservative/Republican about Obama’s views PERIOD from taxes to the military NOTHING! McCain the BIGGEST “moderate” in history beloved by the left and the mushy middle couldn’t garner your dad’s vote? that would be because the truth of the matter is he is a Democrat! the sooner people like your dad just make the switch the better off the party is and Colin Powell etc can go with him and follow Specter and just do the right thing! admitting what you truly are and to stop kidding yourself is freeing!
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ceili_dancer (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 11:38AM EST (link)When you have someone that turns off the base, you have fewer people going out to do the grassroots work. Moderates by definition are not true believers. They won’t sacrifice their time or energy to help a candidate win. As stated above, they will stick their fingers in the air and their heads in their rectal cavity and carry on with whatever they do.
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rick554 Tuesday, May 19th at 7:38AM EST (link)Barry picked Huntsman (whoever he is) because he paid his taxes!!!
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Josh... seems like a hitpiece...no offense
Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle) (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 1:47PM EST (link)In my opinion it seems as though you’re jumping to conclusions, trying to draw lines to Romney, and suggesting that McCain will get to coronate the next GOP 2012 candidate…
So who do you support in 2012? I’d rather just hear that.
As for Huntsman, he’s not a red meat conservative, but he’s not exactly moderate, Utah is one of the least affected states in the economic downturn due to policies that he was able to put in place, as well as keeping good policies. Some of his social policies have been moderate.
Some thing about Huntsman you should know is that he’s been working with the Chinese government for years, he’s fluent in Mandarin chinese from serving an LDS mission when he was younger… he’s got a successful business record, and his family, especially his father is quite humanitarian/philanthropic.
LDS beliefs hinge heavily on service. If Huntsman is a man of integrity he took the poistion in good faith that he can effect good for the U.S. as a civic duty… if he’s a dishonest man, hoping to gain the 2012 GOP nom… there’s no way he’d allow Obama to put him in a position to fail, he’s not an idiot.
I’m from Utah, and in my opinion as a conservative he is more than acceptable, ….
By the way… Huntsman was an early supporter of McCain… and There was a much ado about nothing moment in an interview with Cavuto about how his father is supporting Romney and he’s supporting McCain. I don’t see your connections… it seems with more information you view may change…I think you’re circling in the sphere of assumptions.
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