In a case which explores the depths of human depravity, authorities say that a Duke University official tried to persuade a person he had met in an internet chat room to travel to North Carolina to have sex with the official’s adopted 5-year-old child. Unfortunately for Frank Lombard, the associate director of Duke’s Center for Health Policy, he did not know at the time he attempted to pimp out the son he had adopted as an infant that the other person in the chat room was a police officer.
A District of Columbia police detective’s affidavit charges that Lombard — using the internet handle of “perv dad for fun” — said he had sexually molested his young son:
Lombard was arrested and charged in federal court in Washington with attempting to induce someone to cross state lines to engage in sex with a child. If convicted, he could face a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.
A Duke spokesperson says Lombard, who has been employed with the university for ten years, has been placed on unpaid administrative leave. The university, which was notified of the incident after Lombard’s arrest, is said by the spokesperson to be cooperating with the investigation.
Lombard’s Facebook page proudly proclaims that he is a fan of Episcopal Bishop of New Hampshire Gene Robinson, the first openly gay Episcopal bishop, who delivered the invocation at the ‘ We Are One ‘ Inaugural Celebration for President Barack Obama.
According to the arrest warrant (PDF), Lombard lives in Durham with a gay partner and has two adopted children.
It will be interesting to see if this story gets half of the media attention that the Duke Lacrosse incident received. Our guess is no — far from it. When the victim of a crime is not a member of one of the leftist media’s protected groups, they show little interest in allowing such a story to grow legs.
The case is sure to add fuel to the controversy over the issue of gay adoption. On a pro-gay website, a post titled “What’s wrong with gay adoption?” claims:
…there’s nothing wrong with it. It improves the lives of children by bringing them into loving homes. Where’s the problem with that?
Apparently conservatives (such as luckily-not-president McCain) believe that allowing gay and lesbian couples to adopt is somehow bad or immoral. McCain had this to say about it:
I think that we’ve proven that both parents are important in the success of a family so, no, I don’t believe in gay adoption.
So, better to leave them in an orphanage rather than to let them be adopted by what he think (sic) is a less than ideal family?
The issue of gay adoption doesn’t get the press that gay marriage marriage does, but increasingly it is seen as an important new front in the battle for gay rights. On the other side of the battle line, it is also seen as a front in the battle for religious liberty:
For example, last year Lambda Legal, a gay rights organization, filed a discrimination complaint against an Arizona-based adoption service.
The reason? Adoption Profiles refused to post same-sex couple profiles on its website. The result? That agency no longer operates in New York or California.
In 2006, Boston’s Catholic Charities abandoned its adoption work rather than comply with Massachusetts’ gay adoption law.
Religious liberties advocate Kevin Hasson worries about the implications of such moves.
“What’s wrong with gay adoption from a religious liberties perspective is that it forces religious agencies and individuals to do something that violates their conscience,” he said. “And that’s wrong.”
For now, the battle over who will adopt our nation’s children remains in the courtroom both for individual cases and broader policy issues.
For every statistical study that shows that gay adoption is not harmful to children, there’s one which shows that it does harm them. The battle will continue to rage, but stories like this one do not help gay activists make their case.
- JP

Generally speaking,
tarheels23 Friday, June 26th at 8:31PM EDT (link)I think it’s better for kids to have gay parents than no parents (i.e, orphanage), but it’s definitely a murky issue.
On the other hand, while I’m disgusted by the actions of a local (I live in Chapel Hill), it certainly isn’t fair to pin this perverted act on the gay community at large. There are plenty of skeevy pervs of hetero orientation, too.
Right on cue
Jack_Savage Friday, June 26th at 8:39PM EDT (link)Just like when we see cars with Republican bumper stickers get keyed, or someone gets run off campus when trying to deliver a speech (remember that one, Mr. Free Speech Zone?) someone from the left comes here and spouts the pathetic, shopworn and patently false “But BOTH sides do it….!” . I suppose the Catholic priest scandal was a Catholic thing and not really a gay thing, huh? Really shouldn’t pin that on the gay community at large, right?
Thank God some organizations, like the Boy Scouts of America, put the welll being of their boys ahead of this PC crap.
Amen Jack
TNJim Friday, June 26th at 8:53PM EDT (link)I just hope the BSA can keep it up with the PC police running things now.
“No. You can’t” -Moe Lane
Nice dodge..but
SteveLA Friday, June 26th at 9:46PM EDT (link)Jack
Nice dodge, but the question of are children better off with no parents or being raised in a home with two parents of the same sex is one you avoided.
I’m not in favor of “gay marriage”, I voted for Prop 8 out here in CA. In my view even a same sex civil union home with parents who have been fully vetted by social services is way better place in my book for a child than as a ward of the state in a group home.
As a matter of political policy and Republican party planks, the issue of adoption by gay couples is all over the map as is the issue of insuring civil union/domestic partnership agreement rights for gay couples are equivalent to heterosexual couples. Again in my view, the only way to bring fence sitters on this issue over to the side of traditional definitions of marriage is a strong stance on insuring civil unions “rights” are equivalent to regular marriage rights. I’d guess that many here on RS will disagree with this stance, but that’s the way it goes, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
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Competency over ideological purity
Actually, here is the real question
Jack_Savage Friday, June 26th at 10:05PM EDT (link)It seems as though your side of the argument is perfectly willing to sacrifice five year old adopted children to make sure this “right” is afforded homsexual couples.
You put up a false choice - adoption by gay couple or a lifetime in foster care or group homes - to deflect the human reality of what is only collateral damage to the gay community. I say strengthen adoption laws for heterosexual couples here in America, and leave it there. It makes me sick to think of this man looking over the adoption choices he had and planning this whole thing while that boy was still in his crib.
I do not believe that one child being molested is an OK price to pay for adoption for gay couples, and I do not believe the molestation one altar boy or one Boy Scout is worth promoting gays to leadership positions within these organizations.
Jack_Savage, excellent post 5 x forever nt
mom2oneson Friday, June 26th at 10:17PM EDT (link)To play that game
SteveLA Friday, June 26th at 10:26PM EDT (link)Jack
I can go and find plenty of examples of heterosexual couples that do terrible things with and to children, what would that prove? Does it prove that anyone, strait or gay should be tested before being allowed around children? It’s a game of pin the tail on the boogie man and you’ve found a good boogie man.
All your example or many more examples that I could provide of really bad things heterosexual couples have done to children would “prove” is that evil can and will be visited on children by adults, strait or gay, not much else can be gained from ether your or my small sample of evil done to children.
I reject your premise that only a heterosexual couple should be allowed to adopt based on this terrible incident which proves not much other than Gene Robinson is a terrible human being and should spend a very long time in prison and never allowed near children. I’d guess we agree on that much.
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Competency over ideological purity
aesthete pointed out the missing data for my argument
Jack_Savage Friday, June 26th at 10:37PM EDT (link)Which is this - do homosexuals have a higher incidence of pedophelia than the population in general?
Until we have an answer for this question, we are boxing blindfolded. There is not even agreement over exactly what percentage of the population is gay. Activists say 10%, most psychologists will tell you (privately, of course, in order not to be run out of the profession) that the number is, at most, 2%.
Again, my premise is not that gay couples should not be allowed to adopt based on this incident.. It is that it appears to me, as a parent and someone who really, really gives a damn about who my children are around, that the incidence of pedophelia among homosexual males is much, much higher than the general population. Since gay activists effectively quash any sort of legitimate study of this issue, we will probably never have the data to link to.
Like I said, I know what my eyes see and my ears hear. I will leave it at that.
Speaking of guilt by association...
tanstaafl1019 Tuesday, June 30th at 3:36PM EDT (link)I’m 100 percent with Jack on this–I think that, while there may indeed be many gay couples who are committed to each other, interested only in consensual adult relations, etc., there is too much risk in allowing them to adopt. Not that abuse doesn’t happen across gender lines (it does, of course), but a disproportionate number of gays seem to…let’s say, seek out generally depraved behavior. I’d rather not go into more detail because this is a family-oriented blog, but check out the personals on Craigslist if you need to know.
That being said, I want to make sure we point out that it wasn’t Gene Robinson who offered up a child for sex. It was a FAN of Gene Robinson who did this. Robinson may have his flaws, but as far as I’ve heard he’s not involved in this particular situation.
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Speaking of false choices...
aesthete Friday, June 26th at 10:28PM EDT (link)How is saying that allowing a child to be molested so that gays can adopt a valid representation of SteveLA’s views (or mine, seeing as how my views on this issue align with his)? Here’s a direct quote from him:
“In my view even a same sex civil union home with parents who have been fully vetted by social services is way better place in my book for a child than as a ward of the state in a group home.”
That doesn’t sound like he is sacrificing the children to the homosexual lobby to me. In fact, such a procedure would likely have prevented the man in question from adopting. Please clarify where SteveLA says or implies anything like that. Also, please let us know where he mentions anything about the BSA or the Catholic Church in his post, both private institutions that wouldn’t be affected by a change in adoption laws.
I’m as sickened by this man’s conduct as you, but if you’re going to make the case that this is a byproduct of this man’s gayness, you need more proof, IMO. I look forward to your reply!
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
Well, let's start here
Jack_Savage Friday, June 26th at 10:52PM EDT (link)Fist of all, let’s take a look at what I actually said:
“It seems as though your side of the argument is perfectly willing to sacrifice five year old adopted children to make sure this “right” is afforded homsexual couples.”
Maybe I could have put a finer point (”gay activists”) on it, but neither you nor Steve were mentioned from what I can tell. The whole point can be summed up in this question to you: Do you agree or disagree that if homosexuals were not allowed to adopt children, this boy would not have been molested? That is a “yes” or “no” question, and I look forward to YOUR reply.
Next:
“…parents who have been fully vetted by social services…”
Do I need to go into how utterly meaningless being fully vetted by Social Services is? Do I really need to post the massive amount of data that would prove this?
Which refutes your next point…
“In fact, such a procedure would likely have prevented the man in question from adopting.”
I really don’t care to spend the next few hours arguing with everyone who wants to drive by and prove they are not homophobic (not that you and Steve are, but others surely will), because as I posted in a response to Steve (which actually did mention you), the critical piece of data that would prove the argument is missing. The fact is that people who are actually charged with the care of young men make that decision every day, and that decision usually goes a certain way.
Does that leave large numbers of good and decent people out of leadership positions or parenthood? Absolutely. But it also prevents what we all read about above. The question before us all is who is more important - and I have made my decision.
What is yours?
Apologies for jumping to conclusions
aesthete Friday, June 26th at 11:28PM EDT (link)I assumed that, given the context, you were indeed accusing us of believing that.
To answer your question, the policies that I would support in favor of gay adoption would have to take into account the question of how to prevent incidents of gay pedophilia, such as the one JP pointed out in this article. Does this mean that I could say that such policies would have a 100% chance of success? I don’t know, and I never will, but I’d try my darnedest to prevent it. The million-dollar Q, IMO (and one that will, unfortunately never be researched impartially), is whether or not such a law would be more beneficial for children than the current system. I don’t buy into the premise that a gay relationship is just as good an environment as a straight couple for raising kids. The question for me is, what will hurt kids, on the whole, less: being raised by a gay couple, or being raised by the state system? My observation is that the state wards are much worse for children than gay couples (though neither is ideal). (I’ll note that this is an opinion, and you know what those are good for
) If I ever find that that perception changes, or if I find evidence that shows that my observations are not based on truth, I’ll change my stance in a heartbeat. Gay rights, to me, do not trump the child’s well being (heck, they don’t trump anything, in my world). That said, there is currently a deficit in parents who are willing to adopt, and as such, I don’t see kids raised in a gay relationship as being worse off than kids raised by the state, where there have been several instances of impropriety and inappropriate behavior, as well. I don’t fault you for holding your view, and even though I hope that you’re wrong, I do acknowledge that we’re operating on similar levels of information here, and that it is quite possible that you are correct. Thanks for being so respectful.
PS: I’d also like a fix to make it easier for heteros to adopt, and I would give hetero couples with no defects preference over gays, just to give you a clearer picture on where I stand on the issue.
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
Absolutely no need to apologize
Jack_Savage Friday, June 26th at 11:35PM EDT (link)You made some excellent points, and forced me to clarify things that I should have been more clear on.
I understand the struggle, and it is the struggle that thinking people undergo - what is best for the children? You and Steve have a certain view, and there is ample evidence to back you up. I look at this incident as validation for my viewpoint, which could be considered extreme. All of us have probably had some personal experience that plays into it and makes it more complicated.
Your points and questions made me think more. No problem with that. Many around here would say it is about time for that - Steve among them.
Thanks
aesthete Saturday, June 27th at 2:10AM EDT (link)It also made me think about the issue in more specifics, and in terms of what it would take to change my mind about my current beliefs (which is to say, not much).
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
easier
mom2oneson Friday, June 26th at 11:49PM EDT (link)this is a total hijack, but it’s not difficult for couples to adopt when the adoptive parents are willing to relinquish their parental rights. I disagree with some of the stupid cr@# adoption agencies make them do, but legally it is not difficult. If anything I think more time dealys should be put into place with infant adoptions between delivery and when the birth parents can legally relinquish their rights.
get rid of foster and group homes
mom2oneson Friday, June 26th at 10:15PM EDT (link)Let good old Aunt Sue or Grandma Smith care for the child when the parents can’t get their ^@#$ together. I don’t think homosexual men should be allowed to adopt and kids should not be in state care either.
Steve
mom2oneson Friday, June 26th at 10:22PM EDT (link)You have to rid of the whole kids will be without family idea. Most children in care should not have been removed from their homes in the first place. These kids in a foster care is a result of awful government policies that reward states for seizing children giving them extra money when the children are taken, remain in care, and even more of a “reward” when they are adopted. The rates of abuse and death while in foster care are SOOO high, it’s horrible, and that is just what is reported. I suspect most of the physical and sexual abuse is unreported.
You would be an awesome libertarian, mom :)
aesthete Friday, June 26th at 10:37PM EDT (link)nt
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
thanks :) nt
mom2oneson Friday, June 26th at 11:50PM EDT (link)That's not really fair
aesthete Friday, June 26th at 10:10PM EDT (link)Personally, I’m not too crazy about the gay rights movement. But we shouldn’t resort to guilt by association as evidence for a verdict. For one thing, it makes for an illogical argument. For another, outside of an appropriate context (i.e., other evidence to try to prove your apparent point that gays are more prone to pedophilia than the general population), this singular piece of evidence isn’t effective in proving your point.
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
I absolutely agree with this
Jack_Savage Friday, June 26th at 10:19PM EDT (link)“…other evidence to try to prove your apparent point that gays are more prone to pedophilia than the general population…”
You are exactly right. Do you want to be the academic who ends his career compiling this data? Do you think that anyone ever will do a legitimate study of this issue? Ever?
So what I am left with is what my eyes see and my ears hear. Oh, and the fact that there actually is a National Man-Boy Love Association.
and their publishing company
mom2oneson Friday, June 26th at 10:33PM EDT (link)publishes books that go into public schools.
Fair enough
aesthete Friday, June 26th at 10:52PM EDT (link)Still, I think that it has to be acknowledged that the following liberal gems of argumentation are equally valid: lived in the South while the KKK was still around? That makes you a racist, just like them! At odds with the gay rights movement, like Westboro Baptist Church? I guess that means you hate fags, and so on. Is it fair that the MSM spreads these flawed arguments on as the gospel truth, but reacts with womanly shrieks at an argument like the one that you presented, when they both use the same logic? Not really, but that doesn’t mean that we have to use flawed logic.
Concerning NAMBLA and their sympathizers: if we were living in the alternate universe where I’m the absolute monarch of the US (heaven forbid
), I would have the members of that organization (if we can call it that) watched round the clock, and locked up in a cell that time forgot for the next 1000 or so years. Also, I think that anyone associated with the group should be excluded from being allowed to adopt. Besides that, I can’t justify labeling the whole demographic with that brush. To me, that seems to close to the right-wing extremist” memo for comfort.
Thanks for the courteous reply.
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
These are very good responses
tarheels23 Friday, June 26th at 11:31PM EDT (link)We should above guilt by association unless there is clear evidence proving a correlation.
Given the very large number of gay folks roaming our streets, I doubt either orientation has much ground to stand on over the other.
It's not just pedophilia...
skorrent1 Saturday, June 27th at 9:22AM EDT (link)That doesn’t get studied. Did you ever try to look up CDC studies on gay disease rates, health or life expectancy? Ain’t there! These data, also, would be pertinent for deciding “gay rights” policy. For 2% of the population, they swing a mighty big political stick!
The problem there is that people who self-identify as gay might not be a representative sample. nt
redstatebluestate123 Saturday, June 27th at 11:39AM EDT (link)What's your point?
tarheels23 Friday, June 26th at 11:25PM EDT (link)Are you denying the existence of highly unethical behavior by heterosexuals? This board correctly noted that the immoral actions of Mark Sanford should not be projected onto the right as a whole, and this is an equivalent scenario.
There will be screw-ups among gays, straights, from the right and from the left. Basic humanity.
If you disagree with the gay agenda, fine, but don’t act as though isolated incidents here and there should indict the entire community. All large groups have members who make big mistakes.
Ackkk
tarheels23 Friday, June 26th at 11:25PM EDT (link)That was intended for Jack Savage’s initial reply to me. Sorry.
Listen, I am in no mood for your garbage tonight...
DONTREADONME Friday, June 26th at 11:32PM EDT (link)the last time around here you came in with some really stupid logic, now I ask you go over to another website where others share your ever changing frame of reference.
BTW, if you were not here for the verbal lashing that some of us gave Mark Sanford then stay out of this. Again, I am being nice, Jack Savage will probably dress you down shortly.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
Please clarify
tarheels23 Friday, June 26th at 11:44PM EDT (link)I’ve been entirely consistent in my arguments here, and I’ve never insulted anyone nor resorted to sarcasm or anything along those lines. I enjoy debate more than the rah-rah garbage at DailyKos, etc., and it seems that debate is welcome on this site.
If you disagree with my logic, please explain why.
Also, I made a point to avoid the Sanford threads. There is plenty of blame to go around to politicians on the right and left, and toward people in general. I feel sorry for him on a personal level, though certainly what he did wasn’t smart.
The point is that Sanford’s behavior shouldn’t be tagged as indicative of the right, and that Clinton’s shouldn’t be tagged as indicative of the left, and that Lombard’s shouldn’t be tagged as indicative of gays.
How is that inflammatory?
Here's why
Jack_Savage Friday, June 26th at 11:53PM EDT (link)“There is plenty of blame to go around to politicians on the right and left, ”
Because that is the typical crock of crap we hear from lefties time and time and time and time again - which STILL doesn’t make it true.
In terms of sex/immorality scandals,
tarheels23 Saturday, June 27th at 12:01AM EDT (link)neither side has a clean nose. It’s embarrassing to our entire country, but then, Europe is even worse.
I’m not saying it’s exactly 50/50 (few things ever are), but it’s close enough that neither side should be trying to score points on the other.
Tell you what
Neil Stevens Saturday, June 27th at 12:05AM EDT (link)You get to talk about Republicans and scandals again when we see a Republican Kennedy and a Republican Condit.
Not before.
Find other things to discuss.
Mgmt.
Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
Fair enough
tarheels23 Saturday, June 27th at 12:14AM EDT (link)Thanks for the warning.
Here is the point, pal
Jack_Savage Friday, June 26th at 11:50PM EDT (link)If gay males are allowed to adopt, is there a good chance some - not all, but some - male children they adopt will be molested, or let’s just say hypothetically, pimped out to other pedophiles for sex when they are five years old?
If the answer is “yes”, then is it worth it? Promoting the “right” of gay males to adopt if molestation is a certain fate for some - not all, but some - of the children they adopt?
As a group, if you were interested in securing adoption rights, particularly the right to adopt little boys, would it not be in your best interest to sort of play down the whole Man-Boy Love thing? Say, in case some guy on a website takes that to mean that the incidence of pedophelia among gay males is higher than that of the general population, and this in and of itself both argues against the “hey, heteros do it too!” and the argument for gay adoption?
Take your time, because your answer is for posterity rather than to make a point in an argument - I have no further interest in responding to you. Plus I am too busy watching the economy your boys are in charge of crumble - much faster than even I anticipated.
OK, here I go:
tarheels23 Saturday, June 27th at 12:10AM EDT (link)1) There is a possibility that any child may be abused, physically, emotionally or sexually, natural or adopted, straight or gay.
If you’re going to forbid any couple from adopting, the onus is upon those that would restrict to provide evidence that the group in question — in this scenario, gay couples — is more likely to abuse a child.
We know for certain that children growing up in foster care are adversely affected, so that’s the bar we have to meet in order to justify any type of adoption.
2) Who is playing up Man-Boy love? NAMBLA, obviously, but they have been kicked to the curb by all mainstream gay organizations. They are despicable, for sure.
3)
please ignore No. 3
tarheels23 Saturday, June 27th at 12:12AM EDT (link)brain hiccup
It comes down to individual cases, actually.
fraydna52 Saturday, June 27th at 8:43AM EDT (link)Hmm, re the Boy Scouts, not necessarily. My brother was in scouts years ago and had a leader who took them camping and brought along pornographic materials for them to view.
Parenting requires constant vigilance and discernment.
I'm waiting for the Gang of 88 Duke professors to condemn the behavior
6eorge Jetson Friday, June 26th at 10:02PM EDT (link)((crickets chirping))
The surface crime is bad enough, but...
Larry Sheldon Friday, June 26th at 9:55PM EDT (link)The obvious depravity is pretty bad, but when we get past that, we are still left with this:
We are being governed by people who are so incredibly stupid that they think a person met in a chat-room is not a cop! What could be more obvious?
Or the think they can fly off to Argentina for a quick piece and no body will notice.
Or they can get a blowjob in the Oval Office and it won’t attract any attention.
Are we out of our minds? What are we thinking when we elect these people?
Most of you know I help protect kids as my day job.....
Kenny Solomon Friday, June 26th at 10:24PM EDT (link)……..When I see this kind of thing, I really want to “go postal”, because anybody who would do this to a child has voided their rights to remain a human being.
If in a court of law this “man” is proven beyond reasonable doubt to be guilty as charged, there should be no quarter offered, no mercy shown.
If the State of his crime does not h
Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.
Dang it......... my 12 tumbs are at it again.
Kenny Solomon Friday, June 26th at 10:26PM EDT (link)If the State where this crime took place does not have a death penalty clause, then simply put him in ‘general population’ of the closest State Prison and let things happen as they may.
Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.
It's North Carolina, Kenny
JustLeaveMeAlone Friday, June 26th at 10:31PM EDT (link)All in all, not a place you want to be if you are this guy!
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
Gays are, among other things, hypocrites
SoFiMil Friday, June 26th at 10:28PM EDT (link)Using liberal logic, gays are hypocrites (and therefore everything they say must be discounted) because previously they have stated non-consensual sex with a child is wrong.
Okay, I’ll take the word “hypocrite” back. But regardless, their view on social issues like gay adoption is wrong.
Baring exigent circumstances, I don’t even thing single heterosexuals should adopt. Any child, but especially one who is coming from an environment where they are being placed into a new home, deserves a mother and father. Thank you to you moms who loving chose to give birth and place your child in the care of others!
By the way, ever notice that Obama and most liberals will always use the initials of groups like “GLBT”? They will at times invoke the G-word, L-word, and B-word, but never the “T-word”. I would love for a reporter to ask Obama, “Do you support a loving, caring transgender person adopting a child?
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Using ANYONE'S logic
redstatebluestate123 Saturday, June 27th at 8:58AM EDT (link)THIS ONE GUY is indeed a terrible hypocrite, although this is only if he has spoken out against non-consensual sex with a child (I’d go farther and say that CONSENSUAL sex with a child is wrong). If, on the other hand, he has repeatedly advocated having sex with children, then he’s not a hypocrite, for whatever tiny character-redeeming value that may be.
Using the false logic that everyone in the world seems prone to (which is that when someone on the other side does it, it’s reflective of the whole other side), gays are hypocrites because of this. But that really doesn’t make sense.
A black haired man presided over the holocaust. Doesn’t make all black-haired people murderers.
A Christian shot Tiller, that doesn’t make Christians murderers.
A socialist ran the USSR, that doesn’t make all socialists murderers.
A conservative cheated on his wife, that doesn’t make all conservatives adulterers.
A liberal cheated on HIS wife, it doesn’t make all liberals adulterers either.
And a gay man pimped his five-year old son out. Doesn’t mean all gay men will do this, nor does it give any indication that this is more abundant in the gay community than in the heterosexual community, although I’d love to see some actual statistics on that.
I would also love to see a reporter ask Obama the question you outlined.
Test
Gengisdon Sunday, June 28th at 12:13AM EDT (link)Something weird happening on this thread and my comp…
But the Hebrew word, the word timshel—‘Thou mayest’— that gives a choice. It might be the most important word in the world. That says the way is open. That throws it right back on a man. For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.’
See if this goes through
Gengisdon Sunday, June 28th at 12:27AM EDT (link)As a guy who regularly removes children from abusive parents as part of his day job, let me state emphatically that a good home is all that counts. Chasing this tired homosexuality-pedophilia thing is not the strongest argument out there.
The argument I see being advance here, more or less “if gay adoption wasn’t allowed, this wouldn’t have happened” could be used on every characteristic adoptive parents may posess. You could just as easily, after a case of adoptive straight parents abusing their children, say “if straight adoption wasn’t allowed, this wouldn’t have happened,’ or even “if adoption wasn’t allowed period, this wouldn’t have happened. If they were Baptist, you could say “well, if we didn’t allow Baptists to adopt, this wouldn’t happen.” Etc. etc.
As for the vetting process, well, that’s all we have. For every couple of every stripe. Properly done, most of the chaff can be cleared away. But (not surprisingly) people keep their perversions covered up as best they can, all you can do is try. And I promise you, we ferret out quite a few, but I know sometimes something slips by.
As a final, and anecdotal note, in response to Jack Savage’s statement regarding knowing what he sees, The overwhelming majority of sex abuse cases I see are perpetrated by straight folks, usually momma’s boyfriend. I draw no conclusions from that fact, other than I can say in my jurisdiction we’re not being overrun by homosexual adoptive abuse. In fact, in 3 years, I have zero in a jurisdiction of 100,000 people. I could have one tomorrow - I’m sure it is happening, if not here, near,
But the Hebrew word, the word timshel—‘Thou mayest’— that gives a choice. It might be the most important word in the world. That says the way is open. That throws it right back on a man. For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.’