Exploding the ’she abandoned her post’ meme


If anyone abandoned a post, it was AWOL Sen. Barack Obama.

In the wake of Gov. Sarah Palin’s announcement that she will resign her office before the end of the month, she has been the target of considerable crtiticism from the punditocracy on both the left and the right who sneer that “she abandoned her post.” John Podhoretz says the charge is disengenuous:

Strangely, neither of these commentators, nor anybody else for that matter, accused, say, Govs. Kathleen Sibelius of Kansas or Janet Napolitano of Arizona of “abandoning their posts” when they resigned to take cabinet jobs in the Obama administration. Nobody accused Rahm Emanuel of dissing his Chicagoland voters when he quit Congress weeks after winning reelection in November to become White House chief of staff. That these elected officials took other jobs in public service is meaningless; they all ran for full terms and decided that they wanted to do something else, so they went ahead and did something else. That’s fine, and so is Palin quitting for whatever reason she chose to quit. Being elected is not a prison sentence; just ask Barack Obama, who didn’t let his promise to Illinois voters that he would serve out a full term impede him from running for office; same with Hillary Clinton, for that matter.

Podhoretz adds that Sarah Palin’s toughest task now is not to study the issues, which he believes she could master in a few months’ time. She needs, he says, to “achieve an image of stability in her private life.” Podhoretz blames Gov. Palin’s children for what he seems to think is her Achille’s heel. Perhaps he would prefer that they become paragons of stability like the Kennedy kids, with all their reported problems with drinking, drugs, rape charges and the like.

William Kristol further deflates the meme:

“Why is it more admirable to run for national office while a sitting governor (or senator), spending a fair amount of time out of your state (or away from Congress), necessarily neglecting or delegating some of your duties — than to turn the office over to your constitutional successor so your constituents have someone working full time on their behalf?”

Why indeed.

Update: James Antle reminds us that “Mitt Quit Too.”

- JP

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5555 nt "Mitt Quit Too" -- I love it.

ColdWarrior Tuesday, July 7th at 1:22AM EDT (link)

nt

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Veerrrry intereshting.

Flagstaff Wednesday, July 8th at 8:17PM EDT (link)

But Shtupid. (Not you, the Romney column.) (That’s a tag line from Laugh-In.)

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There is no comparison

discerningconservative Tuesday, July 7th at 1:31AM EDT (link)

to Govs. Kathleen Sibelius of Kansas or Janet Napolitano of Arizona. They left their governorships for another post. Sarah Palin just plain left hers in the middle of her term. As far as Mitt quitting, he at least did it after he completed a term. You can try to color it any way you choose, in the end Sarah Palin quit. Everyone else mentioned in this diary left their posts for another office (with exception of Mitt who just didn’t run for re-election), that is a huge difference from quitting mid-term without another position. If Sarah Palin resigned to keep her family away from the constant media scrutiny, then I respect her decision. I just don’t see her having any chance of being President(or AK Senator, for that matter) in the near-future.

 

I don't get it

Neil Stevens Tuesday, July 7th at 1:36AM EDT (link)

How is Mitt Romney serving a full term a defense of Palin quitting during hers?

How is Barack Obama the standard against which Sarah Palin’s supporters want her measured?

That’s not a high hurdle to cross among Republicans, you know.

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Amen

dave_in_atl Tuesday, July 7th at 10:47AM EDT (link)

I think it should be a rule if you have to justify something by using the “But see, look at these people on the other side” you have already lost the argument.

That's right.

Flagstaff Wednesday, July 8th at 8:13PM EDT (link)

It’s only valid as an example of the double standard (or completely different rules) in reporting.

But that’s only one way of expressing it. One could also mean that if it wasn’t considered wrong then (and it wasn’t), you have to ask why it would be considered wrong now.

And the column about Romney is just nutty.

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There is no double standard in this case.

discerningconservative Wednesday, July 8th at 8:21PM EDT (link)

Nobody mentioned in the article left their elected office in the middle of their term just to leave. They accepted positions in the President’s administration, or just didn’t run for re-election. This is like comparing apples to oranges. If Gov. Palin had left because the election results were different and she was now the Vice President, I would agree that she did not quit. But she left her position without another one. Therefore, she quit. I support her decision to do so, and I hope the best for her and her family. I just think that this diary trying to compare Gov. Palin’s resignation to the others is ridiculous.

Not too discerning.

Flagstaff Wednesday, July 8th at 9:54PM EDT (link)

“Nobody mentioned in the article left their elected office in the middle of their term just to leave.”

Funny, I didn’t hear her even suggest that she was leaving “just to leave.” I did hear her say her resignation would save the state of Alaska millions of dollars. If that’s an intentional lie, you might have something. And she gave sv eral other reasons, as well, but she’s made clear that that was the most important one.

“But she left her position without another one. Therefore, she quit.”

A position for you means one has to be employed by somebody else? And why does it matter?

“I support her decision to do so, and I hope the best for her and her family.”

How do you do that while calling her a “quitter”?

Do you recognize that the only real difference between the cases is that her action is probably unique in American history (leaving office for the fiscal good of the state, et al), while the reasons behind the others’ decisions are simply politics as usual and are therefore automatically considered acceptable? IOW, the reason and circumstances behind the resignation are the difference. Please tell me, why does the reason make any difference anyway, as long as it doesn’t entail malfeasance or misbehavior? The end result is the Lt. Governor becomes Governor and life goes on. It’s not like a Governor is holding the gate against the Mongol hordes.

The double standard is that the media has taken it upon itself to judge the virtue of her action and has hung a negative decision upon her reasons (which I believe I’m safe to opine that they would not have done had she been a Democrat). The sad thing is that conservatives have joined in the chorus.

There is one other difference. I think the citizens of Kansas were glad to see Kathleen Sibelius move to Washington. The majority in Alaska would prefer that Palin stay–the conservatives so she could work for the state, the liberals so they could continue to sue her for breathing.

As for the other Congressmen, Senators and Governors who quit to “move up” to the toothless Obama cabinet or White House, a position that is considered a personal coup–why is that an act to be praised? They could easily have said “no,” as Senator Gregg did when he came to his senses. Essentially, they resigned for their own personal reasons, and Palin resigned for hers. I say their reasons were selfish and hers were virtuous.

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OK...

discerningconservative Wednesday, July 8th at 10:39PM EDT (link)

“Nobody mentioned in the article left their elected office in the middle of their term just to leave.”

[...]

“But she left her position without another one. Therefore, she quit.”

A position for you means one has to be employed by somebody else? And why does it matter?

It will not matter if she does not seek elected office again. If she ends up as an unelected GOP supporter, her resignation will not make any difference at all. I will agree with that. If she is interested in seeking elected office again, I think this is very important. Having only won one statewide election, and resigning that post mid-term doesn’t show much leadership.

“I support her decision to do so, and I hope the best for her and her family.”

How do you do that while calling her a “quitter”?

Why can’t I? Like I stated above If she has no intention of running for elected office, I have no problem with her resigning. As far as wishing her and her family the best, why can I not do that while saying that she quit?

Do you recognize that the only real difference between the cases is that her action is probably unique in American history…

[...]

The double standard is that the media has taken it upon itself to judge the virtue of her action and has hung a negative decision upon her reasons (which I believe I’m safe to opine that they would not have done had she been a Democrat). The sad thing is that conservatives have joined in the chorus.

How can you say that it is unique in American history AND a double standard? For it to be a double standard wouldn’t it have to occur at least twice?

My original point was that there was no double standard. I still stand by that original point.

Are you really this dense,

Flagstaff Thursday, July 9th at 12:43AM EDT (link)

or are you just a troll.

If you re-read my comment, without leaving out the transitional parts, you will either understand or you won’t.

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Dense?

discerningconservative Thursday, July 9th at 12:57AM EDT (link)

I am not dense… You said that her action is probably unique and went on to state that there was a double standard. How can the judgement of a unique action be considered a double standard? I agree that IF a Dem had done the same thing that it would be judged differently by the media. THEN a double standard would exist. As it stands now, I do not see a double standard on this issue. On a plethora of other issues, yes there is a double standard in media coverage. I just don’t see it on this one.

I see. You are that dense. nt

Flagstaff Friday, July 10th at 12:33AM EDT (link)

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Dang. I always forget that smiley face. (^:^) nt

Flagstaff Friday, July 10th at 12:40AM EDT (link)

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I don't see any explosions here

Darin_H Tuesday, July 7th at 2:01AM EDT (link)

She quit in the middle of her term. Others have quit, mostly for “promotion” to other offices.

That these elected officials took other jobs in public service is meaningless

Actually, that’s exactly the point. They left one post for another, not to just leave. If you count Mitt as quitting, then Palin quit twice - not running for reelection and then quitting in the middle of her term. Sheesh

As for Kristol’s argument - then quit when you announce your run for the next office (I would actually prefer this be law).

After reading Ace tonight…. well I won’t finish that thought, but you can probably go to the Spades HQ and figure it out.

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The Anti-InsideTheBeltway crowd...

JLenardDetroit Tuesday, July 7th at 2:31AM EDT (link)

amazing how many that whine (and count me amongst them) about Inside-The-Beltway Politicers now whine about the current Ultimate-Outsider…. Shows it’s never been about Anti-Insider, but about promoting their favorite Insider over another (and that is certainly NOT new Politics).

There’s more to all that, of course, but I’m gonna just leave it there.

Again, Palin’s move is not 100% Roses and it certainly isn’t 100% dung either. Only time will tell how it plays and entirely depends on what she lands up doing these next few years.

As she said: “Don’t explain yourself - your friends don’t need it and your enemies won’t believe you!”

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What EVERYONE has missed

Deskpilot Tuesday, July 7th at 6:25AM EDT (link)

ASC Srticle III Section 5. Limit on Tenure
No person who has been elected governor for two full successive terms shall be again eligible to hold that office until one full term has intervened.
http://w3.legis.state.ak.us/docs/pdf/citizens_guide.pdf
read pdf page 90

In a nutshell, Parnell finishes out the current 18 months, and then can be elected for two more 4 year terms. Just like Ford could have done except that Carter beat him when America rejected his pardoning of Nixon.

What Palin cosntitutionally authorized transfer of authority to Sean Parnell means is that for the next 9 1/2 years potentially, he can be governor of Alaksa. He was elected as Sarah Palins running mate because his political structure was very similar to hers. I have said before, she cannot effectively run Alaska and complete the peoples business for which she was elected under the current, and unending political firestorm around HER, as Sarah Palin, not as Gov. Palin. This has never been about Goveronr Palin

To borrow her phrase, she passed the ball to someone who is in a better position, because of the media circus that surrounds her, who can effectively manage Alaska. One Sarah steps into the public without her title as Governor, she will retain the media focus, and Alaska will fall off the public radar and be able to begin a path to recovering to normalcy. It will be hard for the new governor, but with the media focused on Palin, he should be able to make some headway.

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What YOU missed

Achance Tuesday, July 7th at 6:37AM EDT (link)

is that the Governor and Lt. Governor don’t run as a team. Anybody can throw their hat in the ring and if they win, they become the Light Gov. Several of them have hated each other. There was NO love between Governor Murkowski and Lt. Gov. Loren Leman. There was NO love and a great deal of rivalry between Governor Cowper and Lt. Governor McAlpine.

Most here wouldn’t consider Palin and Parnell to even be kindred spirits politically. He’s been the good team player and has followed the 11th Commandment, but the government has been all about Sarah and Parnell has hardly had a part in it.

In Vino Veritas

is it possible

Deskpilot Tuesday, July 7th at 7:16AM EDT (link)

that JUST WITHIN the context of Alaska, that Parnell might have some success in restoring Alaskas political direction? Or has the partisan politics so contaminated the system? I hope that Alaska can return to some state of normalcy after the last nine months. Lord only knows, it needs to regain control of ITSELF.
I have Always apprecciated your insight into the inner workings of Alaska.

i was just making apoint about the potential of Parnell, CONSTITUTIONALLY. What he does whan he has the reigns, that’s his choice.

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I'm confident that Gov. Parnell's relations with

Achance Tuesday, July 7th at 7:35AM EDT (link)

both the Legislature and the Republican Party will be better than former Gov. Palin’s. After all, he hasn’t tried to take out the leadership of the Party or run roughshod over the Legislature although many do decry his Palin-backed run against Don Young.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Does that mean

djemi Tuesday, July 7th at 9:30AM EDT (link)

That the poeple of Alaska also for the Lt. Governor rather than a combined ticket?
I’d also like to here your thoughts on this, the first part inparticular.

The media/pundits in 2008:

Being the Governor of Alaska doesn’t mean much. The state has a small population, it is far away from the lower 48, and it is controlled by the oil companies. Therefore, being the governor of that state means little. Palin’s executive experience is “not enough” to fill the role of Vice President of the United States.

The media/pundits now:

Palin resigning as Governor of Alaska is, “political suicide.” If Governor Palin had finished out her term as governor, she would be in position to run for higher national office.

Via Joseph Russo

Myself I don’t think it is “political suicide” but makes it unlikly that she will be on the top of the ticket in 2012, maybe VP being as she might be the ‘King maker’ in 2012

You never know we might see her Mon-Fri at 5pm ET on Fox.

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Sarah did quit to take a new job

izoneguy Tuesday, July 7th at 8:53AM EDT (link)

that of kicking ass and taking names. She will be a huge thorn in the side of the dems for the next 3.5 years. Although it won’t be a job with a salary or title it is a very important one that no one else in the GOP can do.

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
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Can we expect other sitting Governors to act upon this brilliant new strategy

Mike gamecock DeVine Wednesday, July 8th at 8:27PM EDT (link)

that I had never heard of before Palin’s exercise?

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson

You might just see that

izoneguy Wednesday, July 8th at 8:36PM EDT (link)

Here are some more “quitters::

Ayotte quits attorney general post to consider Senate run

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090707/NEWSBLOG/907079923

Baker jumps in Mass. Gov. race

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/07/08/baker-jumps-in-mass-gov-race/

The call to arms is being made and people are stepping up.

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

Neither of them left elected office...

discerningconservative Wednesday, July 8th at 8:41PM EDT (link)

One is leaving a private sector job, and the other an appointed position. Still comparing apples to oranges.

Sarah's "quitting" will be a moot point

izoneguy Wednesday, July 8th at 8:53PM EDT (link)

After Obama the destroyer has another 18 months to dis-mantal America. Conservative Americans will be begging for a leader.
And it won’t be Mitt.

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

It will be someone with executive experience

SteveLA Wednesday, July 8th at 8:59PM EDT (link)

And that’s not going to be 30 months as a lightweight Governor of a small population state. That much I agree with you on.

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Competency over ideological purity

Ah, like a moth to the flame - SmearBot right on schedule

Jack_Savage Wednesday, July 8th at 9:33PM EDT (link)

How are things out in LA, Steve?

Why fine, thanks very much!

SteveLA Wednesday, July 8th at 9:46PM EDT (link)

And how’s things going in the land of make believe?

Like make believe that Governor Palin has a great record of governance to run on in the future. Real accomplishments to point to from her 30 months in office, and not make believe ones?

Is there a page in the Palin Bot instruction book on how to make believe that taking a hard land objective look at a persons accomplishment in office in an honest manner is smearing a politician?

Does Palin Bot Flavor Aid come in different flavors ?

So many questions, so little time.

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Competency over ideological purity

Let's look at Obama's deep and stellar record

izoneguy Wednesday, July 8th at 9:53PM EDT (link)

of legislative accomplishments…

What he does not have one?

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

Ill Senate

SteveLA Wednesday, July 8th at 10:03PM EDT (link)

Quite a record in the Ill Senate, and a very Liberal one at that. Not much of one in the US Senate, but what there was is also very liberal.

While looking at records

R’s

George Bush, Governor of Texas, two terms (?), did not quit.

Ronald Reagan, Governor of California, two terms, did not quit.

Richard Nixon, VP, Congresscritter, did quit, well resigned rather than be impeached.

Donkey’s

Slick Willy Clinton

Two term Governor of Arkansas, did not quit, should have been impeached, or at least censured by Congress for sexual harassment of a subornation.

Jimmy Peanut Farmer Carter

Two (?) term Governor of Georgia, did not quit, but RR kicked him out of office.

Records are funny things, people tend to vote for what a politician has done in office in the past, or at least consider those accomplishments when voting.

What did Governor Palin actually accomplish during her 30 months in office? What major legislative agenda did she push and get through the Alaska Assembly, that’s a question Art can answer best.

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So that's what SmearBots believe?

Jack_Savage Wednesday, July 8th at 10:03PM EDT (link)

That they are doing everyone a huge favor by constantly, incessantly, and predictably posting negative comments about Palin on every single diary on Redstate? Sort of saving us from ourselves because they know best? Like Democrats? You really ought to see someone about this little obsession - it is becoming Michael Jacksonsish. Pretty soon you’ll be buying the Elephant Man’s bones or something.

I’ll leave you to your jihad, Steve. Heterosexual, conservative women really aren’t that bad - trust me. My kids and I are off to our bake sale in order to raise money for your little problem out in CA - too bad the Governator’s moderate policies aren’t cutting it.

Is there a question?

SteveLA Wednesday, July 8th at 10:18PM EDT (link)

Jack

You play the victim better than most anyone I’ve ever seen, almost as good as any Democrat.

Objections to your and Gary and the other Palin Bots puffery are not based on an personal dislike of Palin, or her sex, or her teeth, or her hair or anything else other than actual real policy differences, or more accurately the absolute lack of substance in just about anything you post in regards to Governor Palin’s capabilities in the area of good governance.

You seem to avoid real discussions about real issues and how Governor Palin has dealt with them now and the potential she has to deal with them in a competent manner in the future. That’s really a dumb thing on your part because the Governor is actually a pretty smart person from what I see with a heck of a lot of personal appeal.

This country and this party faces real challenges countering the madness of Democrats and Obama. If you and those you back are not up to the challenge of explaining why Governor Palin has the political chops to run a government then say so. Governor Palin’s record is what it is, good and bad, pretense otherwise makes you look foolish.

Smear, hardly, but I somehow doubt you can actually mount a policy and governance argument in favor of Governor Palin, it’s all puff and spin so that’s what you go with.

Enjoy the fish sparky.

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Competency over ideological purity

So you avoided my questions

Jack_Savage Wednesday, July 8th at 10:37PM EDT (link)

Since you seem to be about ready to burst into flames, and aren’t ready to disclose the hidden agenda behind this little personal jihad of yours, let me relate a story that will help you understand my point of view.

When Tiger Woods was young, he won a lot of junior tournaments, and the US Amateur. Everyone that played with him saw that he was an unusual talent, and that he had enormous potential. When he first started on the pro tour, there were plenty of small minded morons who would squawk “Why all the attention? What has he done to deserve this? He hasn’t even won on Tour yet! Squawk! Squawk!”

What they were not willing, or able, to see was the enormous, raw, God-given talent that he possessed. He was actually a bit of a hothead at first, and made some mistakes, but - well, we all know how the story turned out.

I don’t think anyone argues, and certainly not me, that Sarah is a fully formed, veteran politician with a curriculum vitae sufficient to inspire awe from policy geeks. So SmearBots have ample ammunition to squawk “What has she done? Why all the attention?” What you completely miss, and refuse to acknowledge, is that she has as much raw talent and personal charisma since Bill Clinton, and given some room to breathe by members of her own party she will absolutely be a contender for the Presidency.

So squawk away, because you are missing the point completely. I can’t understand why you devote most of your waking hours smearing her when your boy put her in the spotlight, but there are a lot of things I don’t understand, so I will leave it there.

Actually she has done much

SteveLA Wednesday, July 8th at 10:47PM EDT (link)

Jack,

Sara Palin has done one thing that has endeared her to a segment of this party, the Pro Life segment. She knowing chosen to have a Downs child, and for that I have the deepest respect for Sara Palin in that not only does she talk the talk she walks the walk. It is something that I am not sure that I would have had the moral fiber to do to be very honest. I get very angry at people who mock her over making that choice, and who mock her child.

Good governance, fiscal restraint, strong military and Libertarianish on social issues, if that’s your bag, it’s mine, Governor Palin has not done so much to impress.

Again, smear hardly, but it’s not about having an honest discussion is it Jack?

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Competency over ideological purity

You make my point

Jack_Savage Wednesday, July 8th at 11:04PM EDT (link)

“…not only does she talk the talk she walks the walk.”

If she does this with a decision as important as raising a child, why would you think she wouldn’t on other important issues? If she will send a son to Iraq, what makes you think she would be weak on the military? If she sells the Alaska State jet, what makes you think she is not fiscally responsible in other areas? If she hunts and fishes, what makes you think she would walk away from these American rights and traditions? If she owns and operates an actual business, what makes you think she wouldn’t understand what makes commerce in America strong? Elitist idiots point to her lack of experience as Governor, and I point to her wealth of experience as a human.

The SmearBots’ narrow minded and fevered denunciations of Palin grow more bizarre and unhealthy every day. If you want to be on the side of Keith Olbermann and the other foul lefties, go right ahead, but don’t pretend you are anything but squarely in their camp. I choose to be on the side of a woman who has sacrificed more than we will ever know for the Republican Party, and I am quite comfortable with that position. If you want to argue against that, have at it.

But it’s about your little jihad against social conservatives, isn’t it? At least have the guts to admit why you are busy embarrassing yourself here.

Good night. Avoid being carjacked at all costs.

 
 

Politicians Often Speak Of Calling...

rcov092 Thursday, July 9th at 12:18AM EDT (link)

for most of them it is the narcissistic voice of their inner self. Then there are those that are “called”. The difference between the two can only be discerned by looking the lives of each as a whole.

On his website, John Kerry speaks of his service in Vietnam thusly:

As he was graduating from Yale, John Kerry volunteered to serve in Vietnam, because, as he later said, “it was the right thing to do.” He believed that “to whom much is given, much is required.”

He returned home from that “calling” to accuse his fellow soldiers
of the gravest atrocities, all in a lie, for the purpose of embarking on a political career dedicated to his aggrandizement and not much else. He also spoke of seeing the greatness of America as he was raised in various places around the world by his State Department Employees father (career diplomat) who raised him to run for office.

There was another famous America we will speak of here. At age 15, he was working in a automobile repair shop when his mother died. His father had deserted the family 4 years earlier. When his mother died, he had to place his three younger siblings in an orphanage. He set about trying to make a home for them so he could reclaim them.

In December of 1941, after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Murph was so incensed he tried to enlist. The Army discovered his real age and sent him away. He was “called” by the vicious attack on the United States.

In June of 1942, after his 16th birthday, he attempted to enlist again. The Marines and the Navy turned him down for his small stature (5′5″, 110 lbs.). The Army accepted him, but his drill instructor, fearing him too small to perform the duties of a combat soldier attempted to have him transferred to cook’s school. Murph refused to leave boot camp.

He finished basic training and had to fight for 2 years to get assigned to the African theater where he was a replacement sent in after the action was finished there. Murph’s initiation into combat came during the invasions of Sicily and Italy. He distinguished himself as a skilled combat soldier in Italy.

As U.S forces moved into France several weeks after the Sicily invasion. Murph’s friend was killed by a German machine gunner. Murph became enraged and killed all the Germans in that nest single-handedly and destroyed several additional German positions as well., a feat for which he was awarded the Silver Star.

Murph was subsequently wounded and spent ten week recuperating. Now elevated to Lieutenant by a field commission, Murph returned to battle only to be wounded again by mortar fire that killed 2 men in his unit.. He stayed in the field to lead his men.

The next day, 24 inches of snow on the ground and the temperature below zero, Murph, his unit of 128 men decimate to an effective strength of 19 men sent them to the rerar while he held the Germans at bay with his rifle. When he ran out of ammunition, he jumped on a burning German tank and, commandeering a 50 caliber machine gun, he opened up on the Germans fighting off Squad of Germans despite being shot during this attack.

I could go on, but that would take forever. Audie Murphy did this over and over again until he had been awarded 33 medals from the United States including 4 Silver Stars. He was also decorated by France and Belgium. There was nothing in his background that ever prepared him for such bravery or indicated he was “chosen’. Chosen he was.

Despite a small stature Audie Murphy arose to a “calling” not of his choosing to distinguish himself among the nearly 2.0 million America Service men that served in Combat theaters in WW II. In his biography, written in 1949, Murphy never mentioned any of the decorations he had received in the War.

Sarah Palin, made her first run for Town Council in 1992 after becoming activist over a tax hike. She won the unpaid position with 530 votes cast for her. If she had a grand design for a greater career in politics with this first foray, I am not seeing it. Her career since then then has been characterized by seemingly quixotic battles against entrenched politicians she perceived as corrupt or suffering a tin ear. She has prevailed in all her battles to date.

The point is, you sell her short to your own peril. Despite all the accusations of the left that she is too stupid to find her way to the grocery store, she has shown herself a quick study and a person keenly attuned to her constituents. Her opponents distinguished themselves by not being able to hear their constituents or, ARROGANTLY IGNORING THEM.

The quality that most disturbs the left and the entrenched career politicians is that she has shown a deep, visceral, almost symbiotic connection to the center and right center working class as a result of her roots and her personal story. They are right to be wary. The last two people to be able to make that sort of connection was Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. No Sarah Palin is not Ronald Reagan, possessing the same innate abiltiy to connect with people that They have been fooled by her resignation.

Sarah Palin is as comfortable in the back country hunting Moose as he showed herself to be addressing a crowd of 10,000. Those that think they have run her off had better be watching their flanks lest the wolf drag them down and devour them.

You have to remember, most of the “pundits”, the leftist paranoids on Huffpo and The Daily Kos are so disconnected from the real people of the United States they actually beleive their own press clippings.

People attain their measures of greatness at the

“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”

To finish...

rcov092 Thursday, July 9th at 12:24AM EDT (link)

People attain their measures of greatness at the Grace of God. I do not know if Sarah Palin will run for President or drift of into obscurity to care for her family.

I am very sure that there is something “special” about her, as an individual, not as a politician. I am also a firm believer in the hand of God, I know of his miracles having been blessed with more than a few myself.

I am content to sit back and wait to see this unfold on us over thet years and months. Resigned to be happy with the out outcome that will be. I just think that that my gut tells me we will be seeing a great deal more of Sarah. Everyone here needs to remember, among the base of the Republican Party, no one is more popular.

“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Steve, her experience as governor of AK would be great

mbecker908 Wednesday, July 8th at 10:07PM EDT (link)

without regard to “size” of the state, if she had just accomplished something other than spending a whole lot more money than her predecessors. The pipeline as of now is nothing but vaporware, and we’ll see if anything ever comes of it. Other than that, we’ve got crickets chirping.

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I am surprised that the ExxonMobile Bd of Dir

Outrider Thursday, July 9th at 12:04AM EDT (link)

would sign on to “vaporware.” Just a guess mind you, but I think Rich Kruger may know more about the economics of oil and gas than most of us here.

“ExxonMobil and TransCanada have the experience, expertise, and financial capability to undertake this project. We have on-the-ground knowledge of Alaska and Canada, experience working in the Arctic, a strong history of technology and innovation, and the proven ability to build and operate projects of enormous scale in the most challenging environments.” Rich Kruger, President of ExxonMobil Production Company.

And we'll see if it survives.

mbecker908 Thursday, July 9th at 12:08AM EDT (link)

If anything comes of it, we can discuss her role. So far, other than committing a bunch of $$ to the Canadians, nothing’s been done and nothing is on the horizon.

We could also discuss the “excess profits tax” on oil that will only enrich lawyers…

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

 

TransCanada basically contracted with Exxon

Achance Thursday, July 9th at 1:09AM EDT (link)

to do planning work on TC’s “project.” Just a way for Exxon to get their hands on some of the half billion. The deal with Exxon has nothing to do with Exxon committing to shipping gas or actually participating in construction of the AGIA line.

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 
 

I don't know that it will be moot...

discerningconservative Wednesday, July 8th at 9:00PM EDT (link)

I think a lot of Americans are smart enough to see what happens when you elect a very inexperienced person to the highest office in the land. Sarah having only won one statewide election and resigning it mid-term will not fare well for her. You are right, we will be looking for a leader, but Sarah Palin and Mitt are not the only 2 conservatives in the world (assuming either of them are actually conservatives).

Huck will go for the social conservative voter

SteveLA Wednesday, July 8th at 9:08PM EDT (link)

Huck got a big head start with his FOX TV show, and he did well in Iowa last time with social conservative voters. Look for him to start showing up in Iowa soon, “just to visit”.

It’s not clear who will be the party establishment guy and it’s not all that clear to me that Mitt is willing to put up his own money like he did last time.

It will be an interesting year ahead as the positioning begins.

______________________________________

Competency over ideological purity

I am sure it will be interesting...

discerningconservative Wednesday, July 8th at 9:11PM EDT (link)

But, we have to focus on the 2010 mid-terms first. I live in Ohio, and we have Governor and an open Senate seat elections coming in ‘10. I’ll start worrying about the Presidential primaries after that (hopefully after attending Gov. Kasich’s victory party).

 

Huckster says something every now and then

Flagstaff Thursday, July 9th at 1:09AM EDT (link)

that reminds me why I don’t trust him. But that’s just me.

I kinda wish our guys would save the dirty politics to use on the other guys.

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Isn't he on Fox?

gekster Thursday, July 9th at 1:15AM EDT (link)

doing some show?
to much money for politics.

A political party cannot be all things to all people.
It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.
Ronald Reagan

Every deer hunter in Michigan still likes to take a shot at a squirrel, rabbit, or even a troll every now and then.

Kowalski, Good Night, and God Bless.

gekster Thursday, July 9th at 1:19AM EDT (link)

Kowalski, Good Night, and God Bless.

A political party cannot be all things to all people.
It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.
Ronald Reagan

Every deer hunter in Michigan still likes to take a shot at a squirrel, rabbit, or even a troll every now and then.

 
 
 
 
 

"Quitting" will be relevant

keeper Wednesday, July 8th at 9:12PM EDT (link)

Obama will now have executive experience so Palin resigning will be relevant. If she resigned with a statement that she will be running in 2012, it would be very early but would at least be viewed favorably because lots of politicians resign current posts to go for higher office but with no such statement she has been labeled a “quitter” and that will not play well with independents and undecided voters.

Can you name these individuals?

discerningconservative Wednesday, July 8th at 9:15PM EDT (link)

…because lots of politicians resign current posts to go for higher office…

Sibelius, Ridge, Clinton, Emmanuel, Napolitano

Flagstaff Wednesday, July 8th at 10:23PM EDT (link)

Thousands more with research.

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Not exactly...

discerningconservative Wednesday, July 8th at 10:56PM EDT (link)

None of them resigned their post to go for higher office. They resigned because they already obtained higher office. That was the point I was trying to make. Everyone is trying to compare what Sarah did to the rest of these people, and I am just saying it is comparing apples to oranges. With that said, I have no reason to believe that she will run for office again. Maybe she will, maybe not, but if she does, I don’t see how this will help her. I still wish the best for her and her family, and the best of luck for whatever she does in the future.

No, you asked specifically,

Flagstaff Wednesday, July 8th at 11:06PM EDT (link)

“Can you name these individuals?”

…because lots of politicians resign current posts to go for higher office…

“None of them resigned their post to go for higher office. They resigned because they already obtained higher office.”

Do you claim they didn’t believe they were “movin’ on up”? What do you mean “already obtained”? You don’t make sense.

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I mean...

discerningconservative Wednesday, July 8th at 11:10PM EDT (link)

That they were either elected to the higher office, or had been offered and accepted the higher office. They were not going for the office.

I'll expand

discerningconservative Wednesday, July 8th at 11:17PM EDT (link)

I read into the original comment “…because lots of politicians resign current posts to go for higher office…”. “Go for office” as running for office. That might not have been the intent of the author, but that is how I interpreted it. I was just asking who had quit their current elected position to campaign for another. I am not aware of lots of politicians doing that. I do understand that a lot of people have resigned their current positions because they have either been appointed or elected to another.

OK. nt

Flagstaff Wednesday, July 8th at 11:26PM EDT (link)

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The intent of the author was simply

mbecker908 Wednesday, July 8th at 11:33PM EDT (link)

to provide cover for anything Governor Palin did or might ever do.

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Nope. If you mean me,

Flagstaff Thursday, July 9th at 12:50AM EDT (link)

I was just answering his question. I forgot to include Dole.

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Not you Flag.

mbecker908 Thursday, July 9th at 9:59PM EDT (link)

Josh Whitewasher.

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

 
 
 

On June 11, 1996, Senator Bob Dole

Outrider Wednesday, July 8th at 11:49PM EDT (link)

resigned from the senate to run for president.

in the 2000 election, four years later? no, in the '96 race - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine Wednesday, July 8th at 11:57PM EDT (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson

What does that have to do with it?

Outrider Thursday, July 9th at 12:29AM EDT (link)

The question I was trying to answer was: “Name a post-war national level politician who had resigned from office in order to seek election to another office.” I simply offered a data point.

Another observation is that Gov. Romney, Gov. Huckabee, and Gov. Palin are all private citizens and would be running as such. Between the three, Huckabee has far and away the most experience as a governor. Romney certainly has more experience than Palin and Palin is, of course, the only one who left office for the private sector mid-term. I do not see how anyone, at this time, can predict what effect their relative experiences as governor will have on the 2012 primary races. Neither Regan nor Bush campaigned solely on their records as governor. In fact, if memory serves, they tended to downplay their records. In 1988, Dukakis was actually a very successful governor, widely resprected for his in depth knowledge of the issues. That, of course, didn’t serve him so well in the election. It should also be remembered that Obama is only the second person to be elected president while serving as a senator. Does anyone remember anybody predicting in July of 2005 that both 2008 candidates would be serving senators? It had never happened before. My point is that national politics is simply too complex to be so easily predictable.

Good data point -nt

keeper Thursday, July 9th at 12:54AM EDT (link)

the other Senator was Kennedy, and you know what happened to him.

gekster Thursday, July 9th at 12:59AM EDT (link)

still good points. and insitefull

A political party cannot be all things to all people.
It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.
Ronald Reagan

Every deer hunter in Michigan still likes to take a shot at a squirrel, rabbit, or even a troll every now and then.

 

I'll ask.

Flagstaff Thursday, July 9th at 12:59AM EDT (link)

Was Kennedy the first, or did he resign to run?

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was you reading my mind. I don't know, but being a democrat

gekster Thursday, July 9th at 1:02AM EDT (link)

probly was a sitting Senator. I don’t know

A political party cannot be all things to all people.
It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.
Ronald Reagan

Every deer hunter in Michigan still likes to take a shot at a squirrel, rabbit, or even a troll every now and then.

 

He was still in office

discerningconservative Thursday, July 9th at 1:14AM EDT (link)

when he was elected President. Benjamin A. Smith II replaced him ( link ). He is correct on Bob Dole though ( link ), and that answered my question. I was just looking for precedence, and have now found it. I will recant my “double standard” argument from above, without even looking up the press coverage of it… I am sure that it was nowhere as bad as Gov. Palin’s coverage.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Every one of those folks was offered and accepted

mbecker908 Wednesday, July 8th at 10:57PM EDT (link)

a “real” job. They didn’t whine about the unfairness of life (although more of that has been done by the idiots who post the stupid “support Mother Sarah” diaries that by the Governor) and cut and run. And like it or not, she cut and ran. It won’t work politically in either the short term or medium term. She’s young enough she “may” outlive it, but I wouldn’t bet on it. It will certainly work for her in the short run, she’ll likely make Clintonesque amounts of money for books that don’t say much of anything - except to Josh and Gary who will hail them as addenda to the Gospels - and speaking engagements that are mostly fluff.

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5555555555 - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine Wednesday, July 8th at 11:04PM EDT (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson

 

ROFLMAO!

Tbone Wednesday, July 8th at 11:11PM EDT (link)

Becker, when she gets the nomination, I am sending you a dead crow.

(Or maybe a dead gamecock.) LOL

Dude, you are living where it is 116 degrees. Stay inside. You don’t have that many short orders of fried brain cells left!

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Tbone, you set the standard for idiots.

mbecker908 Thursday, July 9th at 12:01AM EDT (link)

You’ve yet, in the nearly four years I’ve been here posted anything of substance or related to a fact. You do nothing but toss out one liners that not even Henny Youngman would use.

And, anybody who would place a bet on the likely nominee two and a half years out is dumber than a rock. And just so I’m not misunderstood, you are absolutely dumber than a rock. A small rock.

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

And I am pleased to say that you not only meet but exceed that standard.

Tbone Thursday, July 9th at 10:31AM EDT (link)

Welcome to my world. Are you sedimentary, metamorphic, or igneous?

And, in your time here you have bullied, bloviated and somewhere along the line started to take your crap seriously. At least I haven’t deceived myself into thinking I can keep up with the serious and talented contributors here.

Bad news sparko, you ain’t and won’t be in their league.

My advantage is that it is really hard to insult a poor dumb rock. OTOH, it is really easy to insult an over inflated egotistic windbag.

Now you will have to excuse me, I have some gravel friends coming over for lunch.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 
 

Odd for me to be arguing this topic,

Flagstaff Thursday, July 9th at 12:31AM EDT (link)

because before McCain picked her, I would have been agin’ it. But I found that I liked her a lot better than McCain (of course!) I’m not sure why this has touched a nerve at RedState. One can’t reasonably argue that she is right now ready to be President. Better than Obama, yes, but still not appropriate. Maybe we just like to argue. I hate fuzzy thinking and inaccurate quotes.

Anyway, the angels on the pinhead seems to be revolving around whether she “cut and ran” or made a strategic withdrawal to fight another day. My take is explained in several places, including here and here. (Those links may not go to the right comment–scroll down if necessary.) It seems to me that to cut and run requires that you’re afraid, a la John Murtha and harry Reid. I didn’t hear anything in her announcement to indicate that she was afraid of anything. Her media comment seemed to me just a cherry on top of all the rest, “The ‘hell yeah’ sealed it - and someday I’ll talk about the details of that… I think much of it had to do with the kids seeing their baby brother Trig mocked by some pretty mean-spirited adults recently.”

Although it may have been important, it doesn’t seem to be any more important than anything else mentioned, and in fact it wasn’t put forth as one of the reasons for resigning, just as a reason why the family agreed. She also said “And this political absurdity, the ‘politics of personal destruction’ … Todd and I are looking at more than half a million dollars in legal bills in order to set the record straight.” That was not given as a reason to resign, but as background on the current situation. I don’t read that as whining about “the unfairness of life,” nor did I see any attempt to blame anything on the press.

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Actually not

SteveLA Wednesday, July 8th at 9:16PM EDT (link)

keeper,

Maybe appointed offices, but I have heard of no setting elected official of any higher office quitting, so it is an unusual thing that Governor Palin has done.

Palin also will have a hard time pointing to her completed accomplishments. To some that is no big deal, but if you are going to point to policies that you have used in the past that are counter to what Obama has wrought, it’s hard to point to a short record with little to show.

______________________________________

Competency over ideological purity

True

keeper Wednesday, July 8th at 9:24PM EDT (link)

maybe not Governors, but plenty of mayors, state congressmen resign to run for Rep. or Senator of their state. There is some precedent.

No precedent. She didn't resign to run for elective office.

mbecker908 Wednesday, July 8th at 10:58PM EDT (link)

She just resigned to run.

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I know

keeper Wednesday, July 8th at 11:29PM EDT (link)

I was saying that if she did, there would be some, still rather little though, precedent for the action. But being so far out from 2012 that would be political suicide, as she did it(no reason), it is definitely political suicide.

 
 
 
 

In 1988, no candidate

Outrider Thursday, July 9th at 12:38AM EDT (link)

had more executive experience at the national level than Pres. Bush. There are no sure things in politics. In his first year, Clinton tried to nationalize health care and lost. By Nov., 1996, nobody remembered or cared. Suppose Obama decides to abandon socialism and remake himself into a Clinton democrat?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Don't bother to click on that link

Flagstaff Wednesday, July 8th at 8:06PM EDT (link)

to the Antle column. It is completely illogical.

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Why is it better to resign a public sector job for another public sector job than to resign a public sector job for a private sector job?

David123 Wednesday, July 8th at 10:08PM EDT (link)

Sarah Palin is leaving the job of governor for the job of mother, professional speaker, professional fisherman, and/or author. As a professional speaker/author Sarah Palin is likely to make a seven-figure income; most people would consider leaving a job with a six-figure income for one with a seven-figure income to be a promotion or smart career move, not a quitter.

One of Sarah Palin’s good points is she hasn’t spent her whole adult life in politics. In terms or the economy, she doesn’t just get it - she lives it. She and her husband have actually run run businesses, hired people, and made payroll. Having a president who has actually created jobs in the real world would be a good thing.

George Washington was our greatest president. And the biggest reason was that he quit after two terms and went back to being a farmer [and possibly a surveyor] instead of being “president-for-life”.

David123

The real attraction of Sarah Palin is not that she IS a Governor.

Flagstaff Wednesday, July 8th at 10:27PM EDT (link)

It’s how she got to be Governor, and why.

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The problem with both Palin and Obama

keeper Wednesday, July 8th at 10:33PM EDT (link)

is they weren’t in the mix long enough to “pay their dues” they were both fresh faces, sparkling personalities but no real experience to speak of. They both got propelled to the highest offices on prematurely.

Wrong

Jack_Savage Wednesday, July 8th at 10:44PM EDT (link)

You understand that Obama was running for President, and that Palin was McCain’s running mate - right?

Yes of course

keeper Wednesday, July 8th at 10:50PM EDT (link)

Still neither of them had enough experience. But you are correct in that Palin was chosen and never elected Nationally by her party for anything, whereas Obama was, so she lacked even that experience.

Well, this is a stupid statement.

Tbone Wednesday, July 8th at 11:13PM EDT (link)

nt

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

No, actually it's factual.

mbecker908 Wednesday, July 8th at 11:30PM EDT (link)

Not, of course, that you’d actually recognize a fact.

Have one of the nurses explain it to you.

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

 
 

Umm, actually I was talking about this

Jack_Savage Wednesday, July 8th at 11:31PM EDT (link)

“They both got propelled to the highest offices on prematurely.”

Palin was running for Vice-President, Obama for President, so the offices weren’t exactly comparable. Since you are just another SmearBot, I’ll limit further discussion.

Yes of course

keeper Friday, July 10th at 12:08AM EDT (link)

Vice-President and President aren’t exactly comparable but they are the highest offices we have, thus I refereed to them as “the highest offices”. As to my point that they were both not ready for those positions, Palin as VP is not nearly as bad as Obama as President, but neither really deserved to be in those positions anyway imho.

 
 
 
 

One difference:

Flagstaff Wednesday, July 8th at 10:57PM EDT (link)

Obama was drafted to the position by George Soros to lead the Progessive Revolution. Palin was drafted by John McCain to be a lifesaver for his sinking campaign. Nobody could have saved him.

Obama claimed to be fit to be President–he obviously isn’t. Palin ran for Vice President. Is there any doubt that she would be doing a better job than Joe Biden is right now? And as VP, she could have had plenty of quick education. Joe has already learned all he can hold.

Paying dues is OK, but it’s obviously important only for Republicans. Even then it’s not enough. Fred Thompson was essentially dismissed by both the left and the right, even though he paid his dues for years. It would have been much better if Sarah Palin had served in office for 8 years before McCain picked her, but there are times when you have to accept your fate.

She was where she was in her career, and McCain didn’t care what happened to her if they didn’t win. For him it was all in, and for her there was no way to say “no” to him if she had higher hopes for her political career (that may be an overstatement–maybe should could have turned him down quietly). Now she’s trying to make a silk purse out of that sow’s ear. Whether it works or not will probably NOT turn on her early resignation. My opinion is that she improved her chances, but that’s just an opinion. We’ll see. I think it depends on what she does next.

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If you can learn from the experience of others, you don't need so much of your own experience

David123 Wednesday, July 8th at 11:54PM EDT (link)

Putin has told us that socialism doesn’t work. We should learn from his experience instead of repeating his country’s mistakes ourselves.

David123

Too bad Obama is talking to Medvedev.

Flagstaff Thursday, July 9th at 12:54AM EDT (link)

But it’s true that when Medvedev talks, Putin’s lips move.

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