Something the Democrats did following their loss in 2000 was to steep itself in far left ideology, they did not consider Bush a legitimate President and went to war with him. The left’s policy in 2004 with the American right was “quid pro quo,” you exposed the lack of character with Clinton out and so we’re going to find a reason to find a lack of character in Bush and criticize the right. While Barack Obama, from his past positions, seems to be the furthest left candidate, the Democratic party as a whole has widened it’s tent. The majority in Congress is not a “progressive majority” depsite Nancy Pelosi’s strong arm, a good number of the Democrats that have been elected ran on conservative principles.
While we need to reposition ourselves back to conservatism, I think the President is right in that we need to find ways to reach out to people we have lost. We need to tone down the immigration rhetoric, not change our policy. When there are morons who talk about Hispanics wanting to “come in here and soak up our social services,” we need to tell them that they need to go and talk to hispanics. Most hispanics came here illegally because of the promise of the American dream and take advantage of social services like education because they want a better life for their children. We need to stop calling pro-Amnesty politicians hispanic names (i.e. Juan McCain), that is very offensive to hispanic people. The way some on the very far right describe hispanics, you’d think they were hell bent on destroying America.
I live in California, which has one of the largest Hispanic populations in the country and most Hispanics I know are great people and proud Americans. They assimilate into American culture by the second or third generation they are here and they love their families. In California (indeed in America), the best aspects of their culture have become our own, not in a pathetic “multicultural” way, but in a way that strengthens American cutlure as a whole. What would America be like without Mexican food? Latin music and salsa dancing? Some of America’s greatest pop-culture icons are hispanic– Desi Arnez, Gloria Estafan, Johnny Mathis, Andy Garcia, etc.
We need to take our message to Hispanic voters (i.e. people that are actually supposed to be American citizens anyway.) We need to bring them our pro-family message, we need to talk about the importance of faith in our party and traditional values. We need to talk about how we like to honor hard work and perseverence and perfer to let individuals make decisions for themselves rather than others. Most importantly however, we need to let legal Hispanics know that illegal immigration puts their future in jeopardy. We need to talk to them about the importance of enforcing the laws on the books. We also need to sit down with hispanic people and talk to them about their thoughts and concerns. The GOP needs to address this problem, or we will find ourselves in a situation similar to the black vote– where the Democratic party gets a 85%+ of one segment of the population. It’s not about comprimising our principles, but taking those very principles, apply them to the issues these people face, talk with them not at them (Democrats talk at minority groups, we need to show them more respect than that.) and be confident in our message. The rest will take care of itself.

Our problem at the Border is not with 'Hispanics'...
$peciallist Monday, January 12th at 11:35AM EST (link)the majority of illegal crossings are done by Mexicans…..say it with me…Mexicans
there is nothing wrong with calling people from Mexico, Mexicans…
there is nothing deragatory about calling someone a Mexican…they live in Mexico…they eat Mexican food…some of the clothes i have are ‘Hencho en Mexico’….
We do not have millions of Brazilians trying to cross the border….
If we continue to fall for all the PC pussyfooting and we continue to pander and treat people as victims…
If we continue to look at everything through an Identity filter…
If we continue to say..”We need to tone down the immigration rhetoric”….
you know what?….you are Illegal no matter what color your skin or where you illegally entered our country….we owe you nothing
We surely are Doomed….
Can you tell I'm tired of the 'Reach out ' madness?
$peciallist Monday, January 12th at 11:37AM EST (link)np
When they reach out
izoneguy Monday, January 12th at 11:40AM EST (link)chop off their hands.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
H. L. Mencken
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
The solution is to
izoneguy Monday, January 12th at 11:38AM EST (link)invade Mexico. Make them the 51st state and then we won’t have an immigration problem. Pay the drug loads a boat load of cash to start hijacking ships from China and we will split the loot.
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Josh,
Tanggor Monday, January 12th at 1:04PM EST (link)Sir,
Overall, I don’t disagree with the general thrust of your message, i.e. that we need to engage the Hispanic community more. As you rightly point out, many of their underlying value systems would seem to make them natural Republicans (note I said “many” and not “all”).
However, some points of quibble:
1) “When there are morons who talk about Hispanics wanting to “come in here and soak up our social services,” we need to tell them that they need to go and talk to Hispanics. Most Hispanics came here illegally because of the promise of the American dream and take advantage of social services like education because they want a better life for their children.”
– I’m not convinced these folks are “morons” as you describe them, although they may be too myopic. Their concern is legitimate, whether or not you like it. I have no doubt that many come here because they “want a better life”, either for their children or themselves.
I also want a better life for my children and myself. If I break into your house, raid your ‘fridge, drink your beer, and demand you pay my tuition and medical bills, I suspect you will call the cops, rather than comply and chalk it up to my “wanting a better life”.
Simply because what I want is a normal human desire does NOT justify breaking the law and using other people’s resources to get it.
2) “They assimilate into American culture by the second or third generation they are here and they love their families.”
– They may love their families; and yes, many do assimilate. Yet during the protests surrounding the Comprehensive Immigration Reform, it was NOT American flags they were waving (until word spread that they were actually hurting their own cause by being honest in their sympathies). Also, see “La Raza”. Go ahead. Google it.
There are many of these Johnnies (notice I didn’t say “Juanies” so as not to offend) who genuinely believe that a large part of US territory is actually theirs (we don’ need no stinking assimilation!).
Of course, this does by no means describe all of our “guests” from south of the border, but it is foolish to overlook the reality that many feel it is their “right” to be here (which, of course, it isn’t).
3) “What would America be like without Mexican food? Latin music and salsa dancing? Some of America’s greatest pop-culture icons are Hispanic– Desi Arnez, Gloria Estafan, Johnny Mathis, Andy Garcia, etc.”
– Are you serious? Did you really ask that? Out loud? In front of other people? What relevance is this? Do you really feel that, if America were successful in enforcing her borders and immigration laws that such cultural elements would never have arrived here?
Will your next question be about Hamid and Aziz and gee, where would America be without all those pretty burkas?
Stick to the relevant facts, for pity’s sake.
Please don’t take this as overly critical; I’m not trying to flame you. You raise some really good points and it’s true we need to engage this demographic better.
But that engagement MUST be steeped in the notions of law, as understood by America (not the protest-in-the-streets-until-we-get-what-we-want methods so popular to our south).
Don’t fret – even if we were to successfully seal the border tomorrow, you will still be able to buy a taco, somewhere. And you can find Desi on sale in the DVD store.
“It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.” – George Washington
Well said, Tanggor!
scottbomb Monday, January 12th at 1:48PM EST (link)Your reply needs to be shouted from the rooftops.
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Thanks, sb...
Tanggor Monday, January 12th at 4:54PM EST (link)alas, not one shout shall issue from any top, roof or otherwise.
The gates (such as they are) shall fall, and the flood will ensue.
Press “2″ for English. Si?
“It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.” – George Washington
Great points.
Josh LeGuern Monday, January 12th at 6:07PM EST (link)Tanngor, thank you for your contribution to the conversation. Your points are well taken.
I’m not saying we don’t need to seal the border. That is EXACTLY what we DO need. What we do not need though is to demonize hispanics, which I have seen some (though not all) conservatives do.
I know we tend to hate “nuance” (as do I when the media fawns over Obama for showing “nuance.”) but I think that’s exactly what we need to do in addressing Hispanic people. We need to make sure that we say, “Some hispanics” instead of “you know what hispanics want to do?” or “Hispanics have no interest in America.”
Nothing is worse than being a minority feeling attacked (just be a conservative attending any liberal arts college.) when that happens people tend to huddle together, cling to what binds them together (in this case their Hispanic heritage) and get offended at every suggestion for changes.
Post this as a diary! nt
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What's the PC term for the millions of Canadians flooding across the northern border?
$peciallist Monday, January 12th at 1:33PM EST (link)And ….how will we Reach out and Take our message to The Great White North, ay?
Medical tourists? n/t
janis Monday, January 12th at 1:35PM EST (link).
'New Democrat Voters' -nt
E Pluribus Unum Monday, January 12th at 2:18PM EST (link)Carthago delenda est
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weenies?...
$peciallist Monday, January 12th at 2:48PM EST (link)sorry to all you Euroanglosociavictiladians out there…
Hosers...
6eorge Jetson Tuesday, January 13th at 2:16AM EST (link)Hey Josh...I thinkyou are an idiot...yep I said it...
Attack Mode Monday, January 12th at 2:39PM EST (link)First of all your diary conflates two separate issues, immigration and illegal immigration. Learn the difference.
Second, you call for a toning down of rhetoric and then call those who disagree with you “morons”… you tone down your rhetoric first there buddy.
Third, I’ll bet you that Spanish speaking illegal immigrants call John McCain Juan…since that is his name in Spanish and all.
Fourth, I must quote this :
You just defined down the contributions of the hispanic culture to taco’s, salsa dancing, latin music, and Desi Arnez???? You can’t be this stupid without being a democrat.
I hope you don’t harm yourself when pulling your head out of your ass, but just in case call a Doctor and make an appointment.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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Hey Aaron...feeling's mutual...
Josh LeGuern Monday, January 12th at 6:15PM EST (link)I’m not going to dignify the less flattering parts of your post (they’re unflattering to you BTW.)
However I will say that I had assumed people were smart enough to seperate statements I made about legal immigrants (who the post was about reaching out to.) vs. illegal immigrants.
And don’t worry, I’m not a Democrat. Although I hope conservatives have the wisdom not to exalt and elevate people like you. If you think my head’s up my ass, fine. But all of our asses are going to be handed to us election after election unless we return to our conservative principles and we make an effort to make new conservatives. Part of that is going to be reaching out to Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, and other minority groups, because we can not win with just whites.
Don't worry Josh, I am not looking for elevation....
Attack Mode Tuesday, January 13th at 8:09AM EST (link)You didn’t do a very good job of separating the two issues at all. Sorry but that just is the way I see it.
If your idea of “reaching out” to Hispanics is to make a small list of trivial points about there cultural impact on America, instead of talking to them about how conservative values are the same values that they already employ in their private lives, well I hope you don’t get elevated either.
By the way your last sentence seems to infer that I believe we can make it with just whites, I never said this of course. So why are you trying to label me as a xenophobe? That doesn’t seem very inclusive to me, infact it borders on you trying to call me a racist. I suggest you reconsider that last sentence and set yourself straight, pronto!!
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conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
Huh...so much for toning down the rhetoric!!!
AceInTX Tuesday, January 13th at 12:34PM EST (link)Xenophobe is the Rhetoric the left uses to define us…Stop smearing your fellow Republicans with Leftist epithets!
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Re-read that Ace...unless you didn't mean for it to be a reply to me...nt
Attack Mode Tuesday, January 13th at 12:37PM EST (link)“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
No...it was a reply to Josh...I quoted his reference to xenophobia!
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I never said anyone was a xenophobe...
Josh LeGuern Tuesday, January 13th at 8:19PM EST (link)Ya’ll are just being silly now. I don’t think pro-border security conservatives are xenophobic, but our behavior can give the media ammo to paint us that way.
Look Josh...you make some good points...
AceInTX Tuesday, January 13th at 9:07PM EST (link)but you make others that look like you’re accusing us of racism…I particularly like this point:
The problem here is that people who continuously harp on reaching out to Latinos because they are with us as cultural conservatives are the very slimeballs who are working overtime to minimize colturally conservative influences in the party!
But when you go into crap like the following…it looks to me like you’re accusing us of xenophobia:
That’s the biggest problem with illegal immigration…and immigration as a whole…We have people collecting social security and Medicaid who have never paid into the system, taking up hospital beds and filling up emergency and not paying for the services they receive that drives up the cost to us all…legal immigrants included…Are you saying we should ignore the truth of this because the Media will demagogue this issue?
Then you chime in with this gem:
As if we’re not doing just that already! I know the perception is that we’re not because the so called objective press, John McCain, LaRaza. LULAC etc have perpetuated this lie to benifit themselves…but we are doing exactly what you say here yet you want to act as iff we’re not…as if we don’t think hispanics aren’t worthy of our consideration…you may not say we’re xenophobic per se but you imply it in almost every paragraph!
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Forget pandering to Hispanics...
SeriousLaff Monday, January 12th at 11:50PM EST (link)Go for the Cubans (who hate being called “Hispanics”) and the African Americans the GOP has given up on.
Right now we are adding 140,000 immigrant work visas for foreigners a month. In two years that is about the same number Obama wants to save (3.36 million). He also wants to give those illegal’s already working here (illegally) green cards and citizenship. Not to mention health care and social security benefits. These new jobs will be those “Americans won’t get”.
The one group that will get screwed over the most of all of this are African Americans who compete directly will these illegal’s for jobs. The new trend will be bilingual jobs and the second language won’t be ebonics. It happened after Katrina.
Stop ignoring the African American vote. They agree with Republicans on social issues and on the economy, they would agree that right now there should be no new work visas , no new immigration and no consideration of an amnesty bill until unemployment is below 4%. Anyone getting stimulus money should be required to use e-verify for all their employees.
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Thoughts and questions for all you Racist's out there...
$peciallist Tuesday, January 13th at 12:46AM EST (link)White’s can’t jump
White’s want to be called Caucasian
What the heck is a Caucasian?
Caucasian’s are not called White-Americans
Indian’s want to be called Native-Americans
Native-American’s don’t want Indian Mascots in football
A majority of the players in the NFL are Black-Americans
Calling someone who’s black a Black-American sounds dumb
African-Americans don’t like being called Black or Brown
Not all brown people are Hispanic
Ecuadorian’s loath being called Puerto Rican or Dominican
South Americans don’t like being called Mexican’s
Mexicans close to the border want to be called Latinos
Latino’s don’t like to be called Hispanic
Cuban’s don’t like being called Hispanic
Jamaican’s don’t like being called Hispanic
Spaniard’s don’t like to called Hispanic
Dudes from France are called ‘the French’..sounds a little Elitist..
Dudes from Sweden only get part of their country in their race, they are ‘Swedes’
European’s…Europa’s…Euronadian’s?… Well..they get to have the whole continent in their race
How come Cuban’s get their country in their race and Mexicans don’t?
Same with Canadians?…and Euronadian’s
How come Blacks get Africa in their race when they weren’t born in Africa?
Are you a Hispanic if you live north of Panama?
Have you ever seen an Illegal African-American?
When Blacks are protesting immigration laws, do they carry African flags?
Have you ever seen a Black person at an immigration rally?
How many Blacks have you seen working for UPS and what do they think about the slogan, ‘What can Brown do for you?’
Why do we call women by their Hair color?
And what about Blonds?…are they really that Dumb?
Do you see the trap we are falling into?
"We Need to Embrace Identity Politics..." Josh? This is exactely what we Shouldn't do...
$peciallist Tuesday, January 13th at 11:18AM EST (link)“I don’t understand why we can’t embrace minorities who are good solid conservatives out of fear that we’ll be tagged with wanting to pursue tokenism.
It’s time we give voice to minorities in our party and stand behind them, the media is extremely hostile to black, hispanic and other minority Republicans.
Minorities are going to relate to someone who is like them, not some old white guy with white hair. We need to embrace blacks, hispanics, and women in our party”….Josh LeGuern Monday, November 24th
Josh?….can we just call everyone …Voters?
Amen
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Hey Speciallist...You are the man...
Attack Mode Tuesday, January 13th at 12:44PM EST (link)Here is my response to his idiotic statement from November 24th…although you can’t really tell after it go ported over from RS3.0
He was wrong then and he is wrong now.
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Well...
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Is there no such thing on Redstate that if you don't agree or like what someone says- move on
Scope Tuesday, January 13th at 9:07PM EST (link)It is obvious that sometimes some just like to argue or dabate so they look like they are smarter or elders and can say what they want. When does the nasty and insiulting arguing end. Can some of you not just move on to a thread you do have something more positive to say about or contribute to???
did you know that Tori Speling has an evil sister?
$peciallist Tuesday, January 13th at 9:28PM EST (link)sp
No, I didn't......
roscopico Tuesday, January 13th at 10:54PM EST (link)Mary, or some sh17?
Im Himmel gibt’s kein Bier…
She posted here more than once..
$peciallist Tuesday, January 13th at 11:00PM EST (link)Atrocious Speling…..
what’s your take on Hispanics?
Terri (bull) Spelling?
roscopico Wednesday, January 14th at 12:07AM EST (link)Some of the above posts point fingers at mexico as a primary culptit, I don’t know if anyone knows the extent to which this is true. I only bring this to mention since at least in my experience as many central americans as mexicans end up here in the land of Cheese and Beer.
All semantics (Mexican. Hispanic, whatever) aside, people more reasonable than I have in the past expressed a very real concern about social monetary liabilities for school, medical, welfare, etc. I have seen nationally published articles as well regarding an outflux of border-hoppers. Is this an effect of tightening employer regulation w/r/t citizenship check, or lack of grunt work in fly-by-night home construction (or similar work)?
Our neighbors to the south are for the most part the most sincere honest workers you might hope to have the privilege to employ or work for.
At least here in the land of Cheese and Beer. And only by my experience.
I do believe it is in our best interest as a nation to repeal or amend the bad part of the 14th amendment that makes any baby dropped on American soil an American.
We are the only nation to adopt erstwhile illegals but for the fact they fell at our feet.
We are the melting pot, yes. But our responsibility is first to our citizens.
Best wishes, $pecialist,
roscopico
Im Himmel gibt’s kein Bier…
You have passion...
$peciallist Wednesday, January 14th at 12:22AM EST (link)and you like beer…….5’s
Where I live...
$peciallist Wednesday, January 14th at 12:25AM EST (link)illegals are leaving due to the city finally enforcing some of those Laws laying around collecting dust…..
There have been more than 5 million farts on this site
Scope Tuesday, January 13th at 9:10PM EST (link)by a few!