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Rick Perry is a Honorable Man & Other Notes from the Debate.

Look, I have not been the most complimentary of Rick Perry or his supporters, but I have got to say that while I am still supporting Newt. I think Perry proved to be an incredibly honorable guy.

While the other candidates on the stage punted  or attacked Newt over the question about Newt Gingrich’s comments about whether or not Palestinians are a made up people, Gov. Perry stood up for Speaker Gingrich and let America know that the real problem with foreign policy is President Obama’s foreign policy. Perry’s nod to Gingrich signaled to me that he’s got Newt’s back. That is an incredibly honorable thing to do and set Perry apart for me tonight.

As someone who did not have a very high opinion of Perry before as a candidate, I can say that he has risen a few notches in my book after this debate. On top of that, Perry gave his personal best performance of the campaign. He tied with Newt to win this.

As for Newt Gingrich, I think considering they came out with guns blazing he did very well answering to the charges without resorting to petty personal attacks. The one “attack” he did level out what putting Mitt Romney in his place and he did it very well using facts and not getting personal. He handled the questions on fidelity well, admitting that it is a consideration people have to make when choosing a leader and admitting he hasn’t handled this well. For all the talk of Evangelicals being appalled at Newt’s personal life, people also forget that two of the chief tenants of Christianity are grace and humility. The fact that Newt seems genuinely remorseful and open about his personal failures might actually make Evangelicals in Iowa more sympathetic to him. Newt did well, not his best performance, but as I said before, he co-won the debate with Perry.

It was interesting to hear from Rick Santorum, seeing as Herman Cain is now out of the race and Huntsman was busy in New Hampshire (more on that later!) Look, if this were 2004 and President Bush wasn’t running for re-election, I think Santorum would be a candidate for the times. But this is 2011, not 2004, and the conservative movement is in a much different place than it was back then. Santorum talks about his consistent conservatism, but he was a big government social conservative for much of his career in the senate, going along with much of the Bush agenda.

Michele Bachmann went on the attack tonight. Unfortunately, much of what she said was either blatantly out of context or simply untrue. I like Bachmann, She has got a massive future in the Republican Party and could potentially be our nominee sometime in the future. But she should heed Newt’s advice and not resort to out of context remarks and half-truths to get her point across. I believe that if she promoted her agenda with as much passion as she goes on the attack with the other candidates she would be doing a lot better than she is right now.

Ron Paul’s good when he’s good. But he’s not going to be the nominee.

Mitt Romney gave his absolute WORST Performance of the entire election cycle tonight. He came off defensive, irritated, and very unlikable as a person. His $10,000 bet  with Governor Perry in front of a nation struggling to make ends meat was completely tone deaf. It wasn’t the figure per say, it was the way he said it, like it was $10, like it was nothing. You could see Governor Perry couldn’t even believe it.

Two interesting things happened tonight, one on stage and one off. Mitt Romney was clearly out of his element tonight, facing off against five much more conservative candidates in a state that is probably too conservative for him to win in a caucus. Following the debate, Donna Brazille noted the phrase that is going to flying around is “consistent conservative” and I agree with that. While this could affect Newt, it’s going to seriously damage Romney.

Now, Jon Hunstman wasn’t at the debate, he is in New Hampshire, where he is picking up a little bit of momentum (he polled in double digits last week.) Now imagine a situation where Romney doesn’t get first, second or third in Iowa but places FOURTH behind Newt, Paul, and Perry or Bachmann. What is that going to do? It’s going to put Jon Hunstman in a very interesting place, especially as he will be elevated in a Lincoln-Douglass style debate with Newt Gingrich soon.

If that happens, expect Huntsman and Romney to split the moderate vote and propel Newt to win New Hampshire. And if that happens, it’s all over, Newt’s won. Huntsman has set himself up for 2016/20

Now this is all hypothetical. And of course, I’m a Newt supporter, so I’d like to see this happen. But don’t be surprised.

 

COMMENTS

  • center77

    and I kind of want to like Newt, but the logical part of me knows that we will have one bad year if Newt is out nominee. People like to say the baggage does not matter, but it does, the middle only votes for people they trust, and Meets given so many reasons not to trust him. At the very best, the left will make up a scandal with Newt and because of his past many will not believe him, depending on how it comes I may not believe him. That’s why I think Meets a bad idea.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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      • avagreen

        nt

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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          • center77

            But the answer to your thin argument is below under the same name.

      • center77

        Subjective then I am sure we can safely say that I did not make up any facts. Can you tell me why in the world you think Newt’s mountain high pile of baggage is not going to bury him and the party come next year if he is the nominee, I am basing my opinion on the matter from talking to the many people I do through school, work, church, and family that if Newt is the nominee that they will just go with Obama or stay home, because even they do not like Obama they feel it is just nuts to send someone like Newt to the White House, the 1990′s really did a number on people when it comes to watching the crazy media coverage of cheating husbands, and what if the Democrats have Clinton out there talking about how bad it hurt when Bill cheated on her. What about the wives coming out and telling their story, like how Newt asked his second wife to marry him while still married to his first wife. How is the middle going to feel having a president that has a wife so much younger than him? What is the white house bio going to say when it talks about how Newt and his wife met?

        These are things people should think about before they vote for Newt.

        Now that does not even begin to talk about the big government progressive aspect of Newt. The Tea Party betrays everything they are for by supporting him, and my guess is many of them have yet to really understand how much of a progressive Newt really is.

        Now those are the facts. I did not make up any of them, and I am saying this is how I feel.

    • J. Leg

      By doing what he’s done in the primary, namely keeping the focus on policy. Yes, Obama, Axelrod and the Chicago machine are dirty as hell and will play hardball, but Newt’s gotta keep it about issues and philosophy.

      A conservative world view and philosophy that contrasts itself with Obama’s will win the day.

    • snowshooze

      I’d love to see Obama bring up the baggage issue with Newt.
      ” Hey, let’s compare records”
      I hope someone draws it all out.
      I wouldn’t dream of letting Obama get away without full disclosure again.

  • nathanalbright

    …but it could, and I think that Huntsman’s strength in NH and Willard’s increasing weakness (Perry really got his goat again, and that casual $10,000 bet is pretty shocking to me, then again, I’m someone who lives off a $33 monthly stipend in Thailand, so perhaps I’m one of those people too poor to throw around money that easily). I agree that Perry was wise in not piling on Gingrich for an honest and truthful stance concerning the Palestinians and in pointing the target at Obama’s craven and cowardly foreign policy.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    Hopefully lots of people saw that. I think it was griffinelection who said that Perry relates to the average American while Obama is one of those who complains about the price of arugula at Whole Foods. Perry also showed that while he will take the fight to inconsistent conservatives while maintaining his respect/politeness towards them, he will go full throttle, guns blazing against Obama.

    Worried about Perry debating Obama? Not me. Used to be, but he’s improved steadily; imagine what he’ll be like in a year! I’m more worried about Willard debating Obama. His worst moment IMO was when one of the mods asked him where he disagreed with Newt on anything. Willard Mitt Romney stammered and spluttered and finally said something about a lunar colony. He’ll be just like that with Obama.

  • bzip

    I thought Perry’s speech he made yesterday at the veterans forum would fit in real well here. Hope you all like it:

    Rick Perry speaks to Veterans forum
    http://youtu.be/kWjlEQ2fcJk

    • romansdaughter

      nt

  • paladin1

    is fairly accurate and I agree with it for the most part. I think Speaker Gingrich did take a bit of a hit with Bachmann’s rather masterful game of Newt Romney. That, I believe, hit both of them hard, tied them both to the progressive establishment Republicans, and did nothing to alleviate the doubt in the voters minds regarding the individual mandate question it was the result of. I don’t agree with your conclusion regarding the outcome of the nomination but you did caveat it with the statement of hypothesis and support so that is not a bad thing.

    Thanks for expressing the thoughts on Governor Perry. He is an honorable man and also a very competent executive. I believe Governor Perry won this one but while Gingrich did not lose much; neither did he gain so for him, that can also be considered a win. The problem is that Romney took this tactic in the debates (win by not losing or misspeaking) and it has obviously not been very successful for him. I don’t expect the Speaker to try this in the long term though. He is tenacious and pugnacious, not a con man.

  • chbroussard

    Overall, I thought it was a good debate. It started out well but hit a couple of low points. Those low points, however, IMHO were not the fault of the cadidates but the stupidity of the questions posed by the Dynamic Duo of George and Diane. But the debate got back on track thanks to the candidates.

    And yes, Rick Perry showed himself as an honorable man…the Ashley Wilkes of the debates. I’m hoping that after last night, Newt reconsiders his statement that Mitt Romney would be in his top tier for VP. Perry would be a better pick for that slot, as would Gingrich if Perry ends up winning the nomination.

    Can’t wait for the Fox debate. I’m good with either Newt or Rick as the nominee. Hopefully both gentlemen will do well and the cream will rise a bit higher to the top.

  • lizzie

    sorry, just could not help laughing over anyone using GWTW’s Ashley Wilkes and Gov. Rick Perry in the same sentence.

    When I think of Rick Perry and movie characters, the first one is always Gary Cooper, usually in the biopic of, WW1 Congressional medal of Honor recipient Sergeant Alvin York, who actually could shoot five bullets into one hole in a target in real life.

    or any other movie character by Gary Cooper. take your pick!

    As to last night’s debate? Am I the only person who knows that, probably NOT secretly planned, but Gingrich and Perry are the tag team taking Romney down?

    The next question is who knocks Ron Paul out?

    My bet is on the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal, based on what was said in their Fox News WSJ weekly editorial board show that i saw last night.

    For once, I am glad Rupert Murdoch bought the WSJ.

    • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

      Roll on floor laughing!!’ Oh my gosh that is hysterical. Who said that, Lizzie? I want names!

      Love your Sergeant York comparison–MUCH more accurate. I’ve seen both that movie and GWTW and I will take Alvin York over Ashley or Rhett ANY day. Ashley is a flip-flopper, Rhett too much of a ladies’ man and a selfish brat to boot–he and Scarlett go so well together, don’t they?

      • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

        I understand a LITTLE better, but there are better gentlemanly examples than Ashley Wilkes. Ashley is too effeminate!

        No offense, chbroussard ;)

  • greyeagle

    Perry was down 25 points in the polls in his last election. He started forward and won easily. Yes he is an honorable man. He is religious and takes the bibles teachings seriously. He goes to church on a regular basis. Bet Obama has gone a couple of times over the last year. Seems golf has become his religion. Perry got in very late and was not recovered from surgery, plus TX was burning and Obama would not declare a disaster. Three people died in those fires before Obama and his minions did anything. Now Perry has to play catch sup and cover the state with advertisements, but also go out and meet the people. He would be a great President and all would be treated fairly in his eyes.

    • heraklios

      If he is still alive by the time my state has a primary, I will probably vote for him. He is the ideal candidate for conservatives, particularly those committed to federalism and limited government. That being said, he is not resonating right now so we must “settle” to nominate someone other than Mittens Willard. That has to be our main concern right now.