Before we take this leap, we’ve got to consider what this means:
The country is changing. Even younger conservatives are changing. Are we really going to nominate a man who makes issues like this and takes it even further than a lot of us currently do and support him winning election to the presidency and become the de facto leader of the conservative movement for potentially 8 years?
We’ve made so much progress over the last four years in mainstreaming conservatism through the tea party movement (I don’t care what the media says about it) by focusing on fiscal issues that a great majority of people are with us on. Are we really going to support a man who has said he has reservations about the movement?
Don’t you remember the damage Bush-style big government nanny-state Republicanism masquerading as conservatism did to our party for 8 years? Don’t you remember that it’s this style of Republicanism that lead to the election of Barack Obama and the passage of legislation we all hate? Don’t you know Santorum supports this style of Republicanism to this day?
Please don’t tell me we’re seriously considering this guy.
Google him. (Don’t click on the first or second link) Spend five minutes looking at his record. And you’ll come to to the conclusion I have:
Newt > Romney > Santorum
Newt is a true conservative who’s stupidly strayed from the reservation from time to time.
Romney is a moderate who’ll be too scared not to enact some conservative reforms because he wants to win re-election and he’ll be easy to primary in 2016.
Santorum believes what he says and he’ll do what he believes is right: expand the federal government Republican style and there are a lot of politically uneducated evangelicals who think of themselves as conservatives who will think Santorum’s great because he talks tough on social issues so he’ll be hard in a primary.
Again.
Newt > Romney > Santorum
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If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say it will be Romney...
APA Guy (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 2:20PM EDT (link)We heard the same sorts of objections to McCain in 2008, yet he still won the primary. Romney has a ton of money and is running against the strongest of GOP opposition.
I would, however, caution you against the 2016 primary fantasy if Romney does get elected. Even Jimmy Carter couldn’t be primaried, and he was a terrible president who was disliked by his Democrat own House Speaker.
Romney has until the 28th
Death_of_the_Donkey (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 2:39PM EDT (link)to turn his ship around. If Rick wins Michigan and even gets close in AZ, it is likely all over. No more debates to swing voters/make mistakes, only a week until Super Tuesday (not enough time to blunt momentum from a MI win), and a media that will cram the MI upset story down everyone’s throats for that week.
I'm throughly depressed by this field, but Santurom is gaining my trust...
Matt Genk (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 2:46PM EDT (link)He was on Hannity yesterday during my drive home. Hannity played the Restore our Future ad and challanged him on his big spending record. To Santurom’s credit, he admitted his votes for NCLB and Medicare Part D were mistakes. He went on to mention that he didn’t sponsor or write any spending bills, just voted for him. He cited the ACU conservative grades, and other such and such. I’m not sold on Santurom. I still see him as a big time [political] loser. I can’t vote for him in the Virginia primary anyway – which makes me think he never considered himself to be a serious candidate – leaving me Romney and one not-Romney.
“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” – George Orwell, Politics and the English Language, 1946
As the left sees it, Santorum > Romney.
Viet71 (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 3:01PM EDT (link)krish comes here periodically to promote Santorum over Romney,
krish is a cunning Lefy infiltrator, but that’s OK.
krish wants Santorum to win because he/she thinks Romney would be a tougher foe for Obama. I think krish may be right but don’t know.
krish has expressed no views I’ve seen on Gingrich. I’m guessing the Left sees it this way: Newt > Romney. In other words, the Left believes Romney’s the toughest opponent of all for Obama…because he’s the most APPARENTLY like Obama.
Electability means somewhat more to the Left than to the Right. I wonder about this.
I'm a Santorum supporter, but the reality is...
Creedo Friday, February 17th at 3:41PM EDT (link)…electoral math is hard to figure where Santorum is concerned. I’m in Washington state, and while Santorum plays better in the eastern part of the state, he does not play well at all on the western, more populous part of the state. That is Romney and Paul area. As much as I would like Santorum to carry Washington state against Obama in Novemenber, I’ll be frank: he will lose the state here, where Romney would probably win it. It’s making me consider whether I should be changing my support for Romney here, even though Santorum better represents me. What good does it do me for Santorum to win the nomination, only to lose the election here?
What I haven’t done the math on is whether Santorum will carry enough swing states in the East to make up for losing Washington, Oregon, and California. I don’t believe Santorum would carry any three of these states against Obama. There are too many libertarians out west, and Santorum has pretty well burnt the bridge with them, where Romney has not.
what hasn't happened yet...Santorum's campaign and contrast with Obama will make a lot of women
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 3:56PM EDT (link)wish they had a husband like him
but yes, Washington state is a lost cause
and?
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You're a very optimistic guy, Mike
aesthete (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 4:04PM EDT (link)(That’s not at all a bad thing, btw.)
I don’t think that Santorum is going to compare favorably to Obama from an imaging standpoint: Obama (whatever else can be said about him) is a pretty good father and husband, and seems like a pretty chill guy. Santorum seems like a good father, as well, but in a more traditionalist vein that most people will find very difficult to like. Expect pictures like these to surface of Santorum’s “weird” family:
It’s not fair (especially to Santorum’s poor kids, who didn’t ask for any of this!), and there are probably pictures of Obama’s family out there that are equally bizarre, but that’s the way it will go. From an imaging standpoint, Santorum is very stiff, strident, and odd, whereas Obama seems more like the typical upper middle class American in temperament and personality type. If he wins, it will be due to other factors.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Attack The Guy's Family.
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 4:05PM EDT (link)It sure worked for Alan Colmes.
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
The fair comes in October and Obama will lose mainly because of what's not in peoples'
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 4:17PM EDT (link)wallets
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As I said
aesthete (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 4:21PM EDT (link)if Santorum wins, he’ll do so despite substantial imaging problems.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Yes, he will overcome them, by definition...ifs
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 4:53PM EDT (link)provide so much rhetorical leeway…smile
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actually Gc is much less optimistic than he used to be, but the basis
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 4:27PM EDT (link)of my optimism that Santorum can over come the attacks that will come is how he has responded so far. He is comfortable in his skin, is conservative to the core, very experienced in discussing same, has improved greatly as a campaigner and its the economy stupid…
I just think that this election will mainly be a referendum on Obama’s record and that Rick will show that he is not risky. Much like 1980…
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I'm seeing it shaping up as either 1968 or 1992, DeVine One...
acat (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 5:15PM EDT (link)The way things are shaping up, this one’s going to be decided by the competence of the third party candidates.
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wow, interesting and I hope you know how rare it is for me to use the word wow in a subject line
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 8:07PM EDT (link)good one
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Hmmm. I see a new category will be needed...
acat (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 5:14PM EDT (link)at Awkward Family Photos … “Awkward political family photos”.
(this would, naturally, include David Wu’s tiger suit and the PG Anthony Weiner pics…)
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MOL! Meow-outloud. [nt]
SoFiMil (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 8:16PM EDT (link)\\..//
www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
Rossi couldn't win the statewide senate race, he was a moderate
heimdall Friday, February 17th at 4:10PM EDT (link)And that was in 2010, when republicans were winning big elsewhere. He lost 53 to 47 to Patty Murray, who touted in the debates with him that she the one who “wrote” the Obamacare monstrosity.
I don’t think Republicans are going to be doing anything in Washington for a while yet, be it Romney, Santorum, or Newt. Paul would probably be the only one with a chance here. We are still way too liberal (with a crapload of NIMBYism and free goodies).
Good point. Paul is probably the only Republican who can carry the West...
Creedo Friday, February 17th at 4:42PM EDT (link)It’s a good point you make about Rossi. He wasn’t able to win here, and he’s probably the best comparison there is in this field to Romney. I moved to the Vancouver suburbs from a farming background in the eastern part of the state, and attended the caucus in 2008. I might as well have been attending a Paul rally. Yesterday, the news was filled with packed rooms for Paul. There’s no way Santorum would be able to fill a room that enthusiastic here (I’ll be there if he ever makes it over here).
Romney could probably fill a room, but whether it would be enthusiastic – well, I’ve been to a Rossi event. It was dry as a bone. I expect Romney would be the same.
I don’t know anyone here who has any interest in Newt. It could be just the circles I run in, but there is zero energy that I can detect here for Newt. People generally regard him over here as what is wrong with politics.
This is looking ugly for Washington state.
Johnson should have stayed in
aesthete (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 5:12PM EDT (link)He could probably have done reasonably well in the non-coastal western states, and might have picked up support as the non-Romney long enough for people to notice him. Woulda, coulda, shoulda, and all that.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Agreed, asthete. Worse, at this point ...
acat (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 5:18PM EDT (link)Johnson can’t “take it back” … this was a career-kill move.
He might be able to do some kind of fusionist thing … but is “Santorum/Johnson” something anyone would find appealing?
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Seems like oil and water, doesn't it?
Creedo Friday, February 17th at 5:29PM EDT (link)nt
The Party shut Johnson out - and I think Jim Demint is right...
Creedo Friday, February 17th at 5:28PM EDT (link)Johnson stopped being invited to debates and was pretty well shut out of the process. I think I agree that he should have been left in. I guess as a party we have to decide which direction the party is going to go in. I can’t speak for the east coast or the mid-west, but I can speak for the west coast, and Jim Demint has it right: the conversation over here is between the libertarians and whoever the establishment is supporting – usually a Romney/McCain type. We lost 2008 because we had no interest in folding the libertarians into the party. I don’t think we’re going to fold them into the party this year – which over here in Washington State means Republicans have zero chance of carrying the state.
That may be fine and dandy for the people over in the midwest and east coast, but for those of us over here, we don’t have the luxury of ignoring the libertarians. They are the ones who are pulling the youth vote. They are the ones who are getting elected as precinct committeemen. They are the ones who are growing the party over here.
Regan beat Carter because he was able to pull Libertarians and Democrats. I hate to say it, but I don’t think Santorum can do that. I think Perry might have been able to. I doubt Gingrich can. Over here, yes, Paul could do it. I’m pretty sure that Romney could, (but the Rossi comparison gives me doubt).
This is a mess. Where is this party going right now? If we lose 2012, at some point in time we’re going to have to grapple with our “libertarian problem.” before 2016 rolls around.
Huntsman was the most electable libertarian-leaning Republican
elayman Friday, February 17th at 6:45PM EDT (link)If Huntsman (and/or Perry) had managed to hold on loosely another week or two for Mitt’s decline, the sane adults who knew what they were talking about would have had their day this primary season yet.
Really, just how stupid are the early state republican voters Jon Huntsman should be the frontrunner and not a discarded footnote from this campaign.
http://www.jon2012.com/index.php/hpress/news/libertarian_case_for_jon_huntsman
Huntsman? Surely you jest, elayman!
acat (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 6:58PM EDT (link)Anyone who tries to run in the GOP primary by reaching out to The View does not have the political sense to be electable.
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Romney & Obama have also made appearances among other prominent political guests
elayman Friday, February 17th at 7:35PM EDT (link)It doesn’t change the extent to which I miss his intelligence, bold vision and principles on the campaign trail and feel that none of the candidates left in this race leave anything to get excited about….
There's a significant difference, elayman...
acat (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 9:51PM EDT (link)between running to the center *after* the nomination, and running to the center at the *start* of the race. Winning the rare GOPers who watch The View was never going to win the nomination.
I do, however, agree that we’re left with the cream of the crap.
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The center was running to him, not the reverse...
elayman Saturday, February 18th at 12:04AM EDT (link)Because there is nothing moderate about Huntsman outside of his thoughtful temperament and representation of the character and experience needed to reuinte our great nation.Unfortunately voters that appreciated a campaigner with ideals running on a standard of excellence without it appear to be either disengaging from the political process or headed back to Obama.
Have Cain, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice and other conservatives been compromised by their appearance with the women of the View ? Jon has an appearance and characteristics (visionary ideas, insights etc) that make him coverage worthy– the lack of interest by the right wing of the party was out of an Obama deranged hate filled ignorance. He would not be struggling to appeal to the broader Republican Party electorate against the pack of fools we are left with today.
You have to admit, Huntsman campaigned terribly
Creedo Saturday, February 18th at 4:02AM EDT (link)The guy ran a terrible campaign. Even if he’s a good guy, the campaign machine he assembled was pretty weak, and the decisions they made were sub-par. It was a hasty campaign that looked like it was built on a last minute idea.
Breathtaking stupidity.
elayman Saturday, February 18th at 8:11AM EDT (link)That is overlooking the strongest, most electable and experienced conservative candidate arguably in favor of the weakest. Yes, Huntsman reportedly responded to a bit of coaching from advisers to get in after surveying a weak field so naturally there were minor strategy and messaging flaws – but nothing that shouldn’t have been overcome in a less toxic, less rewarding of failure political environment.
If the party needs a total disaster to finally liberate itself from the ideas that Santorum represents, so be it. I am prepared to accept the consequences. Just not to beat our potentially future standard bearer over the head as we head for the crash and burn.
Deliberate misunderstanding, elayman?
acat (Diary) Saturday, February 18th at 9:58AM EDT (link)Not the first time you’ve deliberately misunderstood what I’ve said….
What I said, elayman, was that Huntsman – apparently at the advice of campaign “guru” Weaver – chose to target his views so they lined up with the demographic that “The View” appeals to. Soft on social issues, somewhat firmer on fiscal ones.
It’s not Huntsman’s appearances on the show that are the problem. I’m all for early outreach to the general population by our candidates – I applauded Rick Perry’s appearances on Letterman and Jon Stewart.
Huntsman’s problem is that, instead of running as a conservative, he chose to run as a moderate. This led some of us to conclude he wasn’t a conservative at heart, merely a guy who got elected in very-conservative Utah.
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Don't get how he changed views for The View
elayman Saturday, February 18th at 10:20AM EDT (link)For whatever it is worth at this point, Huntman ran on his record through and through and didn’t pander nearly as much as he could have during the campaign. Obviously attempts to transcend politics and occupy the pragmatic, nonpartisan solutions oriented center where most of the country resides is too much of a good thing for the general Republican base.
Santorum and Romney are the candidates that keep backtracking, misspeaking, ‘regreting’ past votes, etc. If there is a misunderstanding it certainly isn’t deliberate.
Guess you weren't tuned in, elayman.
acat (Diary) Saturday, February 18th at 11:13AM EDT (link)Huntsman’s stated positions were not conservative. They were clearly moderate, and clearly moderated for purposes of not offending the middle.
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I admit he isn't perfectly conservative
elayman Saturday, February 18th at 11:20AM EDT (link)But it is still better than Newt, Romney and Santorum combined, at least on fiscal policy.
I'm betting Pawlenty, Huntsman, and Perry are all ...
acat (Diary) Saturday, February 18th at 12:05PM EDT (link)kicking themselves over getting out as early as they did.
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They have to hope Obama wins for 2016
elayman Saturday, February 18th at 1:18PM EDT (link)although of course no one can say it very loud.
Rossi also didn't have the passion for the senate race
heimdall Friday, February 17th at 5:49PM EDT (link)Rossi was a reluctant candidate, which is why I DO NOT want a brokered convention. The people running WANT to be president and have a passion for their fight. Someone waltzing in after the brokered convention, having not gone through the fight in the primaries/caucuses, will probably be the same way. They should have fought in the primary, it looks cowardlike.
I think Santorum will end up winning Washington State on March 3rd, his supporters have the passion (like Ron Paul’s) to come out to the caucuses and vote for him. Romney does not inspire people to do anything, especially when he speaks out of both sides of his mouth and his negative campaigning is depressing turnout in every election he wins.
PPP is tweeting that Santorum is up by 9 in Washington State on their first returns from polling here. And SurveyUSA, along with a couple of other polls is showing our Republican Attorney general may end up beating the crap out of Jay Inslee. It is not all ugly for Washington State! We do tend to have very libertarian streaks in our population, as evidenced by the income tax initiative bursting into flames not too long ago.
I am excited for the caucuses on March 3rd. My first one I have ever attended! I sorry this was a little disjointed. So much to say, so little time!
I think you're right, Santorum will win Washington...
Creedo Friday, February 17th at 7:34PM EDT (link)…but that’s kind of my point. I’m a Santorum guy. But I know the state that I live in and I know that when it comes to the general, Santorum won’t beat Obama (as much as I wish that weren’t true, I’m being practical here). The eastern part of the state will carry Santorum safely in a primary, but without the libertarian vote there’s no way to get over the Democrats in a national election here – and I would wager this to be true across the entire west coast (at least where Washington, Oregon, and California are concerned).
The Left are idiots
Freedoms Truth (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 5:10PM EDT (link)They wanted to run against Reagan in 1980.
They thought Howard Dean was a good candidate in 2004.
They think trying to recall Gov Walker is a worthwhile effort.
They see Santorum and Newt as so horrible and Romney as relatively inoffensive that they think they can beat anyone but Romney. … what if they are wrong?
Here’s is what will get obama defeated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LE7Z_KiygA&feature=related
No, I’m not advocating Paul Ryan for President, but what I am saying is that it doesnt matter WHO we nominate, it matters that WHOEVER we nominate can credibly bring Obama down over his terrible, horrible, no-good massive fiscal deficit overspending.
If the left wants Obama to talk about 1% ers and birth control and calim vote for our lousy guy cause the other guy’s a nut while OUR GUY TALKS ABOUT THE JOBS DEFICIT THE TRADE DEFICIT AND THE FISCAL DEFICIT … WE WIN.
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Who thought Ford, Bush, Dole, and McCain were good ideas?
acat (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 5:24PM EDT (link)I find it very hard to take you seriously anymore, Freedoms Truth.
Yes, *if* we can find a candidate who can make those points, we’ll win.
Do you see one?
Romney: “Conservative fiscal severity!”
Obama: “Romneycare was the model for Obamacare so it’s good!”
…
Santorum: “Pro-union job growth and no condoms!”
Obama: “Pro-union job growth and free condoms!”
…
Gingrich: “Government reform and less red tape and a moon base!”
Obama: “Moon base? Hahahaha!”
…
Seriously, if this is what we’re left with … I’ll take the moon base. At least it’ll put NASA to better use than muslim outreach.
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Candidates are idiots except for those who win.
Viet71 (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 8:06PM EDT (link)n/t
Romney is the most electable? Really?!?
Freedoms Truth (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 3:32PM EDT (link)Romney is the most electable according to conventional wisdom, but in fact polls are showing Romney and Santorum pulling about the same amount of votes vs Obama puts a question mark in that argument.
“Don’t you remember that it’s this style of Republicanism ”
REALLY!?! We nominated a guy who was NOT a Santorum, and gee I thought the worst financial crisis blowing up 6 weeks before the election had something to do with Obama’s “CHANGE” theme working. Silly me.
The electability arguments might be valid, but it cuts both ways: For every upscale social liberal Santorum might lose, he could gain downscale blue collar voters susecptible to the anti-1% campaign Obama will run against Romney.
If Romney was the most likeable,engaging, superb candidate, he’d be cleaning up right now.
But when you say stuff like …
“Santorum believes what he says” as an indictment of Santorum, the rest of us find endearing that he actually is a real conservative who we dont have to question. Romney has flip-flopped his way into a corner, creating an aura of pliant pandering.
Being authentic does make a candidate more trusted and therefore more appealling.
Santorum is the most legitimate all-around conservative in the race. newt’s gone off reservation on globaloney stuff, with Pelosi, he’s stood with Hillary and Al Sharpton touting dubious ideas, and he attacked Romney on immigration – from the left. But that’s not Newt’s real problem – it’s electability.
“Romney is a moderate who’ll be too scared not to enact some conservative reforms because he wants to win re-election and he’ll be easy to primary in 2016.”
The idea that a President could be ‘primaried’ and you could then go on and win the election is an absurd fantasy.
If Romney wins, we are stuck with him, like GHWBush, Nixon, GWB, or Reagan. Which of those 4 he is most like is TBD.
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Austin, TX
The most electable will be the candidate that hasn't been President for the last 4 years
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 3:57PM EDT (link)smile
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The "A ham sandwich could beat Obama" meme is still not true, G.C.
acat (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 4:20PM EDT (link)We’re going to need a campaigner – and one who can parry Obama’s dirty tricks – to win this.
I just don’t see a good enough campaigner in Santorum or Romney…
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agreed re ham sandwich. This goes to my less optimistic outlook informed by data
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 4:32PM EDT (link)Yes, there is a dangerous number of Americans that are takers and it may be close to the tipping point. But I think Santorum and Romney would be good enough campaigners based upon what I have seen. Santorum gets the edge with me mainly due to his argument on how Mitt’s RomneyCare could take that issue off the table.
But look man, er ah, Tom ‘cat, (smile), if America has slouched too far towards Gomorrah, then I would rather lose gloriously with Santorum and have us go ahead and go over the cliff than fool America into a lukewarm spue and delay the inevitable…
more later
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I'm all for dying on my paws instead of living on my knees, DeVine One...
acat (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 4:46PM EDT (link)I just don’t think we have a better chance of that end with Santorum than we have with Gingrich.
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If I could PUT one of the remaining three in the White House sans an election, it would be Newt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 4:55PM EDT (link)because he would be the most likely to push a Congress of any party to do big things that are needed, but his non-sexual baggage is just too much to risk that he can overcome …
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I just don't see it, DeVine One.
acat (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 5:03PM EDT (link)I agree that if I could put one in the oval office, it’d be Newt. Of the remaining four, he scares the D.C. establishment most. (which, when one considers Ron Paul, leads to some interesting questions about the establishments’ myopia…)
That said, I also see Gingrich as better able to “do the grand vision thing” while simultaneously fending off all the inevitable proxy-attacks than Santorum.
I’m satisfied, at this point, to wait and see what happens on Super Tuesday.
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Its almost like Newt is "too famous"...I suspect he has a lot of locked in opponents as voters
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 8:20PM EDT (link)due to him that could override their better judgment for the job. But we will only know the facts on one scenario and Super Tuesday will determine if Newt still has a chance. He is on the conservative Mt Rushmore…
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Let's not count Gamecocks before they're hatched.
acat (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 9:40PM EDT (link)The counterpoint, DeVine one, is that Gingrich can also point at the Clinton economy post-1994 and say “I did that.”
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I agree that Obama will be tough to beat ...
Freedoms Truth (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 8:03PM EDT (link)I also agree that none of our candidates are killer campaigners. If we had our own Bill Clinton and we had Lee Atwater back from the dead running the campaign, maybe I’d feel better.
“I just don’t see a good enough campaigner in Santorum or Romney… ”
Well we fight the war with the army we have … and Newt’s in 3rd place so it’s not he’s a great shakes. I’d probably root for Newt if his polling wasnt so awful in head to heads … he’s simply unelectable.
If electability is your #1 concern, throw in the towel and support Romney. He’s been vetted, said some embarrassing things, but cant be made out to be an idiot, extremist, or evil person. Just a fancy pants moderate, and we have worse than that by far right now at 1600 PA Ave.
BTW – Your claim that Newt ‘scares the establishment’ is koolaid drinking. Newt’s been IN the establishment, both as Speaker and as in-the-beltway consultant. He is not feared but disliked, because he’s volatile and has a bigger ego than he should.
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Well...
J. Leg (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 4:06PM EDT (link)… First of all, I am not a Romney supporter by any stretch of the imagination. Believe me, nothing has given me more joy than to watch that entitled Rockafeller Republican go down in flames. Upon looking into it and observing his behavior, I believe he’s a better terrible option than Rick Santorum, whom I believe, best case scenario loses and puts conservatives back even further in our argument for nominating a conservative, and worst case scenario actually wins and leads the GOP and the conservative movement for 8 years.
I am supporting Newt for president, because I believe he’s a truly committed conservative who has strayed from the reservation from time to time and even where he disagrees with the movement, he at least approaches things conservatively.
Secondly, who says we can’t primary a president successfully? Carter would have been taken out had Kennedy not made an ass of himself in 80. Presidential entitlement in re-election is a real problem. No one is entitled to that office.
Thirdly, Please do us all a favor and Google Santorum (again don’t click on the first couple of links) and look at his actual record. Look at things he’s said as recently as late last year. The guy is a disaster.
Stinging rebut for Romney-
jamesm (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 3:34PM EDT (link)Current AG and former Senator Mike Dewine switches endorsement from Romney to Santorum in Ohio.
“Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character.” A. Einstein
Objectivity?
dave148 (Diary) Friday, February 17th at 5:51PM EDT (link)I see a lot of hand waving on who is better than who here. Maybe we can get the for/against evidence in one place and make a more objective assessment. Reply to my “Objective Candidate Comparison…” diary entry, and I’ll tallly the scores.
Good idea or....
WillWong (Diary) Saturday, February 18th at 12:55PM EDT (link)Write a post on all the record of each candidate from beginning to end and let people decide. I have done that for Newt in my piece, “Newt Gingrich, TIME magazine 1995 Man of the Year, and quite possibly 2012 American Man of the Year”. Someone ought to do the same for Ron, Rick, and Romney.
Yep, let's all nominate Romney BECAUSE HE'S A "BUSINESSMAN"
redmymind (Diary) Saturday, February 18th at 12:26PM EDT (link)And chicken out and remain within our comfort zones alongside the establishment–the weary sense of resignation it’s precisely looking for in this war of attrition agaist those with bold conservative ideas.
No, we can’t POSSIBLY go for Santorum. It’s got to be Romney . . . either now or eventually. Sure, it will be Romney. It’s got to be Romney. He’s the “inevitable” nominee, remember? The big “businessman”?
All this rise in the polls for Santorum . . . sure, that’s just momentary flirtation. It can’t be real. It can’t endure. Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Gingrich . . . we’ve seen it all. We’re all just gonna end up voting for Romney anyway, right?
Sure I “like” Santorum, as much as I have “liked” the others, but when it comes down to it, I JUST DON’T BELEIVE WE CONSERVATIVES CAN WIN. So, my money’s secretly or not-so-secretly on the Massachusetts liberal, and I stand in good company, don’t I? Even “conservative” isolationist Pat Buchanan supports Romney, as does The Donald. Who am I to disagree? So, I’m gonna give up, play it safe, and fold.
(So goes the psychological warfare, and it looks like the weary are slowly surrendering to the notion of Romney “inevitability,” however creative and “purist” they try to sound with their varied rationalizations.)
The truth is, Romney CAN be soundly defeated if enough of us in the conservative base strongly and unwaveringly unite before ONE conservative candidate instead of being scattered like sheep and spooked by every disagreeable utterance of the lib media and the regular BUT IRRELEVANT pundits and commentators on Romney-friendly Fox Noise and the like. We need to shut out the static from these naysayers against conservatism and keep focused on the mission to nominate a conservative. It will happen if we don’t freak out or fold under the toxic, defeatist air that’s evidently being circulated.
To recap:
It’s not: “We’ll fight, we’ll fight, we’ll fight but know in our feable hearts that Romney will become the eventual nominee.”
It’s: “Romney can and will be defeated because we the conservative base say so!”
Conservatives won't crack like an egg
jamesm (Diary) Saturday, February 18th at 12:38PM EDT (link)Not this time.
“Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character.” A. Einstein
THAT'S the spirit, jamesm!!!
redmymind (Diary) Saturday, February 18th at 1:32PM EDT (link)n/t