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If Newt Drops Out, I’m Voting For Romney.

I know this might shock some conservatives, but those of us supporting Newt Gingrich for President aren’t necessarily going to just jump right over to Rick Santorum.

Rick Santorum is not a conservative.

He’s voted time and time again for stupid policies like No Child Left Behind and the Prescription Drug Benefit (which, to my amazement, Newt continues to support.) His excuse of “getting behind the leader” doesn’t fly. A real true conservative leader would have stood up to dumb policies like that…. or Romney’s Health Care Bill.

Which is why it makes me absolutely sick that I might actually have to pull the trigger for Romney in June when California finally gets to vote. Why am I choosing Romney over Santorum?

Because while Romney is also quite liberal for a Republican, he’s not running around telling people he’s a conservative like Santorum is. When Bush, another liberal Republican, went around telling people he was a conservative it gave people the wrong impression about what conservatism is. Our conservative forefathers, Coolidge, Taft, Goldwater, and Reagan would barf if someone told them that the 2000′s administration and government was supposedly “conservative” with it’s record levels of spending, unbelievable new entitlements, unmanageable federal regulations and mandates, and the list goes on and on. Rick Santorum was a leader in the senate, he dutifully got in line, and like Bush, he’ll use his social stances, which are becoming less and less popular as the days go on, to claim he’s a conservative.

If Santorum wins the nomination and becomes president, the conservative movement is badly badly damaged. We need a true fiscal and defense conservative leader to represent conservative ideals and more importantly teach a generation that is increasingly anti-traditionalist about conservative values. The man to do that is not Rick Santorum. It’s not Mitt Romney either, but he’s not going to damage the conservative brand by trying to claim it as his own.

I know Gingrich isn’t going to win the nomination. I’m still voting for him out of principle, but if you want him to drop out, I’m going to vote for Romney and I’m sure I’m not alone.

COMMENTS

  • Viet71

    n/t

    • greenpoint

      Dear J Leg- so Romney is not running around telling everyone he is a conservative like Santorum does? I guess you slept through that whole flap where he described himself as a ” severely conservative” governor of Mass. He’s clalmed to be conservative in hundreds of debates, speeches etc.

      You are free to support Romney if you wish, but you really ought to find an actual reason to do so.

      • bogornes

        Whoever get’s nominated by the GOP is the de facto “conservative” candidate. They all call themselves conservative at this point in the game. Simply saying that neither Santorum nor Romney are true conservatives relies on a false equivalency (they are different, and have different records). You are free to support Romney (he may attract more independents, or be the most electable ABO) or Santorum (he didn’t invent RomneyCare, he is the choice of more social conservatives), but the endless one-sided arguments here on RedState have become tedious and counter-productive. I’ll probably be back in July ;) .

      • habeumnominee

        That’s a good enough reason for me.

        Santorum will never be president. His own supporters may vote for him, but they certainly won’t send him the money he would need to beat BHO.

        Sorry pal, it’s either Romney or it’s Obama.

    • elizaliza

      Santorum is the Last Conservative Left Standing here, I mean how’s that not clear. I mean Ron Paul, I love the guy, but on essentials, he’s not there.

      Newt’s kinda disgusting, with his many wives and leaving them on their sick bed, I don’t care whatever his defense is. He’s done that, it’s indisputable.

      and Rick got totally lame streamed media’s on the Puerto Rico thing

      • Rudy

        http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111120/OPINION02/711209969

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

      kidding about the latter. It must be courageous of the diarist to be in such a small group of Newt supporters who resent a man so much that voted for the Newt agenda at the time and who, unlike Newt resisted the siren calls of the individual mandate and Pelosi’s cap and trade couch.

  • natek58

    Just like the Democrats, you have allowed the lies of campaigning, and the press to cloud facts out of your brain.

    Rick Santorum lives, eats, breaths, sweats and even pisses conservativeness. He is the quintessential CONSERVATIVE on every level.

    Politics is at times a team sport. It needs to be played to further one’s agenda. Rick is conservative to the core, and these trivial things you mention were part of playing team politics. Loners never get anything done. In a different year, he wouldn’t have voted the way he did.

    You are right about one thing: Mitt Romney will not damage the CONSERVATIVE brand, because he isn’t one and everyone knows it.

    And then, if I have this straight, BECAUSE Santorum ISN’T a true conservative in your opinion, you are going to go pull the lever for Romney????? That’s just absolutely NUTS!!

    If you have a brain, start using it. Otherwise go back to Daily Kos.

    • J. Leg

      Because I refuse to support a candidate because he’s backed big government socialist programs and his excuse was he was “taking one for the team…” because he’s “proud of his earmarks” and he’s obsessed with unappealing social stances that will be even more unpopular (and therefore unelectable) I need to go back to the Daily Kos?

      Give ME a break!

      I didn’t even BEGIN to mention Santorum’s a crypto-protectionist.

      • natek58

        Santorum actually had to make votes, so he has a record that can be critisized. Romney only has the governorship, so we can’t compare positions on exact issues, but…

        Romney is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!! more LIBERAL on EVERYTHING than Santorum. There’s just no comparison. Bush pushed for No Child Left Behind and twisted Rick to vote for it, OK, he made a mistake, but again – team sport!! When your president is proposing it and you are part of a slim majority the last thing to do is to vote with the Democrats.

        If you refuse to actually look at Romney’s positions I cannot help you. He is Obama-lite and he will be a huge disappointment if he somehow wins in November.

        With Santorum we win even if he loses. Goldwater was necessary so that we could have Ronald Reagan 16 years later. Hopefully this won’t take that long.

        • annie54

          I was reading just this evening about his acceptance speech at the 1964 Republican National Convention.

          He said, “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

          Due to a Johnson’s horrific campaign against him, which is considered one of the most negative in history, he lost.

          We cannot let that happen again.

        • J. Leg

          I have studied Goldwater, read Goldwater, and watched countless speeches on YouTube from Goldwater.

          Rick Santorum is NO Barry Goldwater by any stretch of the imagination.

  • quill67

    My Goodness!!!! Health Care is 1/7 th of the American Economy. Romney created a government dictated plan in Mass. and Gingrich supported similar ideas in Washington. While Gingrich recognizes the stupidity of his original position, Romney continues to be PROUD of his government takeover of 1/7 th of the economy.

    Your complaints remind me of people who say sure Babe Ruth was a great baseball player, but he also made X number of errors! Well we are not perfect. We are all going to make mistakes. Santorum’s mistakes are far smaller than Romney and frankly if you look at it objectively I think you will see that you are being rather foolish.

    • garfieldjl

      Gingrich has come out admitting that supporting Individual Mandates in the past was a mistake. He is just as credible on the issue as Santorum. He could even be more effective by using Obamacare blatent abuse of power as the prime example why he is now against Individual mandates.

      I don’t think Santorum is conservative on fiscal issues, but he is on social issues. Newt however understands when you should compromise and when you shouldn’t compromise because as Speaker he had to lead the party in the House.

      • acat

        Not certain about this, but .. don’t fiscal bills have to start in the House? Wasn’t that one of the big arguments about how Obamacare “did it backwards” or something?

        Since HSAs affect revenue by creating a tax shelter.. shouldn’t the bill Santorum championed have started in the House?

        If so, there’s a pretty significant difference between shepherding someone elses’ work and coming up with HSAs (which, even then, aren’t a *huge* leap from FSAs (Flexible Spending Accounts) which already existed) all on his own.

        Just checking…

        Mew

        • garfieldjl

          So that argument doesn’t work.

          Flexible Spending Accounts was passed when Santorum was in the House and Newt was Speaker of the House,

          • acat

            which is also the year Santorum won his Senate seat….

            There was no time when Santorum was in the House while Gingrich was speaker.

            Mew

          • garfieldjl

            Rick entered the Senate when Gingrich became speaker.

            However, that doesn’t mean Santorum didn’t write the bill in question.

            Gingrich or another Republican could have taken the thing up in the House because the senate was sitting on its hands.

            Newt Gingrich has stated that he worked with Rick Santorum on quite a few things when he was Speaker.

          • acat

            I’m just questioning just how involved he really was…

            Are we talking chicken or pig?

            Mew

        • Scope

          was passed in 97 when Gingrich was Speaker. HSA’s were passed as a part of the 2003 Medicare Part D program, which increased the limits that people/employers were allowed to contribute to those accounts. Santo has said that that was why he reluctantly supported Medicare Part D.

          Now go back to the Obamacare passage. The Dem controlled House passed Obamacare. It went to the Senate. From what I understand, it was held up in committe, and then Olympia Snowe voted to take it out of committee, and to bring it to a floor vote in the Senate. At the same time Scott Brown was running in Mass, and promised that he would vote against Ocare, and that was why he got much support, even from Tea Partiers, and all across the country. Once Brown won his seat, and after the Senate passed Ocare, it was thought that it would have to go back to the House for another vote, and then come back to the Senate for reconcilliation. Reid knew that the bill would have a hard time passing yet again, so the Senate “deemed” it passed and changed nothing so that it became law. That is exactly why the bill is missing the portion that if one section fails, the whole bill fails. Forget the name of that requirement.

          PLease don’t even go there Cat with your newly found amnesia about the passage of Obamacare, and how it came down. This statement by you is incredible-

          “Wasn?t that one of the big arguments about how Obamacare ?did it backwards? or something?”

          It wasn’t done backwards at all. It started in the Democrat controlled Pelosi House, where spending bills do, and then it moved to the Senate. The Democrats in the Senate outsmarted the Republicans, no surprise there with a McConnell, with some help from some Republicans, to get it deemed and passed. It in fact started in the House, which is where it was supposed to.

          PLease tell me that you really do remember how that whole mess went down.

          • acat

            although I note, Scope, that you confirm the major point – Santorum was in the Senate and so not “the force behind HSAs” because the bill started in the House….

            As for how Obamacare came to be law, there was quite a debate, at one point, about why the House couldn’t just pass what the Senate had passed… it’s minutae, historically, but my point in mentioning it in this conversation was to refresh the memories of people who first learned that tax-related bills must start in the House as part of Obamacare debacle…

            Thus, Santorum couldn’t have very well written either FSAs or HSAs as .. he was in the Senate at the time.

            Mew

          • Scope

            Santorum was pushing formedical personal savings accounts long before it got to the Senate. So your weak argument is that he was in the Senate when the House passed the bill including that provision, but because he wa a member of the Senate at the time he had no voice, no support, no input in the House bill, because he was in the Senate at the time. Cat, come on, you know as well as I do that Senators can call for and champion provisions, from the floor of the Senate, long before they reach the Senate for a vote. Are you really trying to say that Santorum was mum on the issue before it passed the house and reached the Senate floor? Come on already, we’ve seen bil;ls that have yet to be written that have been highly supported by Senate members as necessary. You have gone so far off the reservation here it’s sad, because I know you know better.

          • acat

            I never said Santorum wasn’t involved in HSAs, I simply questioned the level of his involvement.

            Mew

          • Scope

            that there was much debate that the house just couldn’t pass what the Senate passed was just “minutae” is ludicrous. The bill that passed the House, and then the Senate could not be put up for a revote, because there were already enough Cornhusker kickbacks and other promises, that the Senate couldn’t risk the bill haing to pass the House yet again, and then pass the Senate yet again, after all the arm twisting, that the Senate just let the bill stand as was, no changes, because they couldn’t afford to put it to a vote yet again, now with Brown saying he would vote against it. Why do you think Brown got elected, especially by those that knew he would be a very unreliable vote on most everything else? Once he won that seat, Obamacare was deemed as passed so to speak with any problems the Senate may have had with it.

      • demsaresatanic

        included the bond option, insurance was not mandated.

        • garfieldjl

          I wasn’t aware that there was the bond option which could be like money in savings or something of that nature.

          My point was that Newt has as much credibility as Santorum on going after Obama and Obamacare. Reason is he admitted Individual mandates are a mistake and changed his position, he hasn’t budged since.

        • Scope

          You have no problem with the government requiring you to buy a bond, rather than health insurance? Is the government still requiring you to buy something. Isn’t that why we are at the Supreme Court right now, arguing that the Government can’t require you to buy anything. So if the government requires you to buy a particular cell phone, would you be OK with that. Gingrich is still in the very same thought that the government should require you to buy something, albeit with a few more choices of what you will be required by the government to buy. He made that very same argument in a speech he gave in Iowa. He said, why should you be responsible to pay for your neighbors healthcare. He slips in his argument for those that can afford healthcare ins quietly. For those that can’t afford healthcare ins., he suggests that you apply for government subsides to help pay for that insurance. How in the hell is that conservative, free market, or freedom for all Americans? How can you support a mandate and say that he isn’t in favor of the Romneycare/Obamacare mandate? Gingrich is so dishonest it’s unbelivable. He just adds 10,000 words to his speeches, that by the end of it, you can’t discern what he said, but hey, he had a whole lot of ideas buried in there somewhere. Isn’t he brillian, he can talk about anything forever, and he can wipe the floor with Obama. Problem is, most voters have moved beyond Gingrich’s preaching on 16th century history, as a distraction to the fact that he really doesn’t have much to say. Take all of his thousands of words that he has put people to sleep with, and then tell me what he has actually said. Please, sepertae the minutia, or static, and then tell me what Newt has said in his hours, and hours, and hours of speeches. The guy is a word shister for sure, or better yet, someone who takes a gazillion words to say some of the same things Obama has supported.

          • demsaresatanic

            taxpayers with their medical bills then? Too busy Newt bashing to consider that?

          • Scope

            God in Heaven, you have so bought into Newties position it’s sickening, It sounds great when he says that you shouldn’t be responsible for your neighbors medical bills. His “solution” is that you buy insurance, post a bond, or “apply to the government for subsidies for help in buying medical insurance.” How in the heck is that any where near to a conservative position, when the federal government is still telling you what you must buy, for any reason, so the citizen’s are not responsible for someone else’s medical costs? Oh, it sounds really great, it sounds like Newtie is all for the citizens, but he is still mandating that the federal government pay to avaoid the citizen’s not be responsible, while he still puts the taxpayer on the line with covering the low income people.

            We are in the SC right now fighting that the federal government can’t make you purchase anything. It is unconstitutional to force anyone to buy anything. What is different with Gingrich’s requiremnt that you buy insurance, post a bond, or apply to the federal government for help in buying medical insurance? Nothig at all. He is still requiring the citizens to buy something, and worse yet, he is saying if you can’t afford it, ask the federal government to pay that for you. Do you not understand anything about the federal government “requiring” you to do something, which Gingrich does, even though he gives you a few more choices than Obamacare does. His freakin argument could actually undermine the SC case, and that would be a disaster. Just give the people a few more choices and the federal government requirements are good to go. What a dumb position, and that has nothing to do with the rest of the Gingrich big government “solutions.” Gingrich always seems to find another big government solution to the problems, always.

          • demsaresatanic

            what do you do about people who don’t pay for themselves and stick taxpayers with their medical bills? Of course that is typical of Newt bashers; they shoot their mouth off without having any idea what they are talking about. Your idea that letting people stick the taxpayers with the bill is somehow a conservative position is laughable.

          • Scope

            of how it is conservative, or constitutional to “mandate” that American citizens buy insurance, post a bond, or apply to the federal government for subsidies to buy health insurance. That is a very big argument against the Gingrich plan to force people to participate, in any way, that forces them to comply with his edict that people are forced to do this or that. Isn’t that the argument against Obamacare currently in front of the SC? We are fighting against the liberals forcing us to buy something, but Gingrich only offers a few more choices, while still mandating that we participate. How the heck is that going to play before a SC, when he is still mandating?

            Now, we have the Gingrich solution to your problem dems, that people should be responsible to pay for their medical care, and Gingrich already found his “solution.” Apply to the federal government for subsidies to buy insurance, or get on medicade, before you get sick.

            Your sticking to Newt’s healthcare position is more than laughable, and is so far away from conservative, and constitutional, you seem to be missing the forest from the trees.

          • garfieldjl

            It means that the person you got the bond from technically owes you money.

            It seems like it is splitting hairs but demsaresatanic is correct that the difference exists.

            That said, Newt is no longer for individual mandates and Obamacare is his example why.

            Seriously, I know you are a Santorum supporter, and some of you don’t like the fact that Newt is still in it, but you shouldn’t try to alienate us like Romney has already royally ticked us off.

            There are also people supporting Newt that don’t like Romney and can’t stand santorum. Would you rather they stay home.

            If Romney is denied the delegates he probably won’t be the nominee, the Republican Establishment probably realizes that if Romney can’t cross the finish line he has no business being the nominee if they want to keep their jobs.

          • demsaresatanic

            Your statement was “you have no problem with the government requiring you to buy a bond, rather than health insurance?” I point out that a bond requirement is simply requiring individual responsibility, a conservative principle, and you try to run away from your own prior statement.
            Try to focus on the issue, what is the solution from the Scope/Santorum braintrust to the problem of people who stick the taxpayers with their medical bills? Of course, we will hear no solution from you because you have none; bashing Newt is so much easier than thinking the problem through. At least there is some humor in watching you try to change the subject.

          • demsaresatanic

            That is, after all, the big government approach.

            Here’s an idea for you, just ignore the problem and find something about Newt to whine about, that mean old Newt shouldn’t be talking about parasites sticking the taxpayers with their bills anyway.

      • GregInFla

        not for Newt, in this diary. You don’t even mention Romney.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    But for different reasons.

    Santorum will make the election about social issues. He can’t help himself. The media will drive the discussion there and he will get completely bogged down in it.

    Santorum just simply doesn’t have the experience necessary for the top executive job in government. We’ve tried amateur hour for the past three years, and going there again with someone that has an (R) after their name won’t be much better.

    But yeah, Rick Santorum is a Big Government social conservative who suddenly found his fiscal conservative voice just in time for the Primary election season.

    • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

      You said it all.

    • Finrod

      Can we just rename Rick Santorum to Don Quixote and be done with him? Now he’s blathering about cracking down on pornography:

      Internet pornography could conceivably become a thing of the past if Rick Santorum is elected president.

      The unapologetic social conservative, currently in second place behind Mitt Romney for the GOP nomination, has promised to crack down on the distribution of pornography if elected.

      Santorum says in a statement posted to his website, ?The Obama Administration has turned a blind eye to those who wish to preserve our culture from the scourge of pornography and has refused to enforce obscenity laws.?

      If elected, he promises to ?vigorously? enforce laws that ?prohibit distribution of hardcore (obscene) pornography on the Internet, on cable/satellite TV, on hotel/motel TV, in retail shops and through the mail or by common carrier.?

      Yeah, cause that’s a winning issue and something people are up in arms about. Rick, you go tell everyone whose finances are in the toilet cause they can’t get a decent job because Obama’s destroyed the economy that you want to go after pornography. That’ll get you votes.

      I’m coming to the conclusion that if Santorum is the nominee, he’ll lose 40 states.

      • honoraryintern

        Who did you vote for last election? The only libertarian is the radioactive glass whack job. Is he your guy?

        Rick wins Regan Dems that have never seen The Daily Caller and makes the purple states turn red…

        Have you ever seen the person-hood damning stuff on many porn sites? How can standing up for the people being used and the kids affected be the wrong choice?

        • acat

          Tell you what. Walk down to your local auto repair place, and ask to see the calendars the mechanics keep in the back, then tell me your “Reagan Democrats” – i.e. blue-collar pro-America pocketbook voters – are anti-porn.

          Get serious. This is just another nanny-state idea from Santorum… it sounds good to the Values Voters who want to Do Something… but it’s meaningless.

          Mew

          • honoraryintern

            .. 20 years ago, sure. Vargas+ pictures. If there is a corporation involved there all gone. Don’t remember exactly but there is a code section not being enforced currently that prohibits the most objectionable from being published.

            There is no line you would draw?

          • acat

            As for “lines I would draw”, there’s plenty of them… but I tend to avoid the kind of “zero tolerance” or “technically unenforceable” crap that spawned this lousy proposal.

            Politically, this is “Moral Majority” classic gold…. but like most zero-tolerance policies, the lazy thinking “Just ban it all” doesn’t work in reality.

            Let’s address just two faults. First, there is no plain English definition of porn. Second, there’s no way to technically prevent dissemination of the same.

            Go ahead and create a definition, so internet service providers can know what to block. Be sure to excludes videos that document how to check for breast cancer and how to breastfeed children, because that’s medical and parental. Be sure to exclude videos about various historical artistic masterpieces. I’ll leave you on your own to figure out what to do about Japanese animation or Italian television… their cultural norms are different…

            Oh, speaking of cultural norms – since this is a Federal law, it will have to be uniform in L.A., Miami, New Orleans, Houston TX, Peoria, IL, Hershey, PA, and Paducah, KY… and I’d suggest checking a few beach-web-cams because .. different standards…

            Okay, now that you’ve got a standard, we’ll assume it’s technically possible for a computer, rather than a person, to “watch” every single scrap of video uploaded to the internet, whether it’s from a college kid’s cell phone, a web cam, a doctor’s office, or whatever. Otherwise, your regime requires an entirely new bureaucracy of porn-censors, y’see .. and that’s going to get very expensive very fast.

            Now. How do you implement your standard in a way that the tens of thousands of 12-17 year olds can’t break it? This becomes a “Chinese Lottery” problem – i.e. using tens of thousands of relatively dumb computers rather than one massively smart computer to solve complex problems. Can’t try ‘em as adults, and once one of ‘em figures it out, the method will spread like wildfire.

            If you still want to try to do this, that’s fine, just don’t spend my tax dollars on it. I’d rather see ‘em spent on a moon colony. That’s more likely to succeed.

            Mew

          • honoraryintern

            the only reason this is even an issue is because Rick said it instead of o’. Would those same words out of any other candidates lips be anything but expected?

            so on to ideas and not people…

            I agree it’s impossible to stop. There is a giant problem for kids being effected by something that isn’t real but consumes them. I’d leave the adults to sort out their own morality.

            You had suggested a poll tax to keep uninterested voters from the polls. The only way the government got a handle on alcohol was to tax it, after prohibition. Right now the internet porn industry is most of the income on the internet, because it’s the wild west. Why not have some minimum tax that the porn companies have to pay to get rid of the free junk that my son can get to in three taps of an ipad.

            I have filters, they kind of work, I know the ‘porn police’ would be the next step. I hate that idea.

            I know a 25 year old woman that has been consumed by porn. It was like the gateway to a scary life of being consumed by men. It has taken 3 years to get her help and she is better but has healed as a very broken person.

            There are age restrictions on every legal ‘vice’ except porn. If a President can speak out about this and help protect our kids and the kids that are sold into the sex trade, I’m all in.

          • acat

            my second paragraph?

            COPA, the “anti internet porn law” is so 1998 .. and its’ predecessor CDA is so 1996…

            A bad idea remains a bad idea whether it’s Santorum or Clinton talking about it.

            Mew

        • Finrod

          You’re using liberal tactics, questioning the source instead of the information, cause you can’t win questioning the information.

          For the record, bozo, I’ve voted for the Republican candidate in every presidential election I’ve been eligible to vote in, but if Rick Santorum gets the nomination, I’m not allowed by site rules here to say who I’ll be voting for. And don’t you dare give me crap, you newbie, I’ve been posting here longer than half the frontpagers.

          Your child porn argument is nothing but a pathetic strawman, because child porn has always been illegal everywhere and no one of any significance has ever argued otherwise. Your argument is anti-conservative and anti-federalist, because you want to use the authority and power of the Federal Government to do what you want, no matter what the Constitution says. Which part of the Constitution gives the Federal Government to decide the morals for the entire country? Please respond in detail.

          Oh, by the way, which state do you think has the highest percentage of citizens subscribed to porn sites? It’s not California or New York or any other blue state, it’s Utah.

      • clintonformccain

        Calling on the federal government to go after women with hemlines above the knees? For failing to wear white gloves and pearls while vacuuming?

        • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

          It’s not enough for you to discuss what seem like a legitimate and unforced error on Santorum’s part – you have to go ahead and build straw men. This weakens your position and turns off possible allies.

          This is what the left does when they get an advantage, as with the Fluke vs. Rush drama. Sometime it seems both sides try to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

          Just some advice, going forward.

          • clintonformccain

            no longer expect to find allies in either major political party. I’m just looking for politicians who can deliver a modicum of fiscal responsibility and competence. It appears that both parties have real difficulty attracting and/or nominating those sorts of candidates.

          • garfieldjl

            If you would go for Romney if Newt dropped out, vote for Newt.

            Gingrich is still very much in this.

            If there is some strategic voting in the midwest that would deny Romney delegates, then vote for Santorum.

            If you are in the south vote Newt (seriously Santorum supporters denying Romney as many delegates as possible and making it clear that people will not get behind Romney and then we can figure out who should be on top of the ticket and/or who best represents us).

          • clintonformccain

            I voted for Romney.

        • J. Leg

          … It’s time we really tackle the profanity problem. Lord knows it’s time for America to clean up it’s language…. ;)

          • clintonformccain

            Here’s a great idea. Go to Puerto Rico and call for forcing everyone to speak English.

            I can’t imagine what votes he thinks he’s getting by introducing that as a campaign issue, but — putting aside the fact that Republicans could use some Latino votes in the fall — why would you make that an issue during a visit to Puerto Rico of all places?

            Bring on the clown suits.

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        The over/under for Santorum if the nominee is 10 states.

        • civil truth

          Which are the three you’re thinking he will carry?

          Though if this is just about something posted on the website, I’m not quite as concerned as if he were giving speeches about it. And his website talks about enforcing current laws rather than passing new laws. So on further thought, I’m not clear this really changes the game. Not unless he ramps up a major thrust on pornography in his campaigning.

        • joeydavis

          That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard…

          There is no way Santorum (or even Romney) could lose ND SD NE KS OK WY SC MS AL MT AK ID or UT. That’s 13. It would take EXTREME circumstances to put KY TN TX GA WV LA or AR even in play. That’s 20. I’d dare say Santorum is even money or better in IN NC MO AZ. He’d be not more than a minor ‘dog in VA IA FL CO NV OH and his homestate of PA. He could easily crack 30 states.

          I’d say compared to McCain ’08 Santorum’s stock would be rated OUTPERFORM.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            #no-text#

          • trickamsterdam

            To this post of yours ended up down thread. So look for it there if you want to read it.

            But as long as I’m doing this, let me address The Author of the Diary because he said this:

            “Because while Romney is also quite liberal for a Republican, he?s not running around telling people he?s a conservative like Santorum is.” – Author of the Diary

            Yes he is Author of the Diary. In fact he’s saying he’s a “severe” conservative not just a regular one. And he’s putting people like Ann Coulter saying he’s the most conservative candidate in the Race in radio commercials for himself.

            So yes he’s saying he’s a conservative and saying it quite often and in fact is dangerously redefining what that means as people like Coulter (and Romney himself) are now defining RomneyCare as “conservative”.

            BTW how you can say that a Senator from a Purple State w/ an 88% ACU rating is not a conservative is beyond me (Newt’s is 92% and he’s from a Red District in a Red State). And I’m tired of hearing that ACU ratings don’t matter.

            It’s some of the only objective evidence we have. Most of the rest of what passes for “evidence” is just personal feelings and prejudices.

          • Finrod

            Obama won one of Nebraska’s electoral votes last time, since Nebraska and Maine give 1 EV per district and 2 EVs to the overall state winner.

      • aesthete

        It should be acknowledged that most of the things that Ricky wants to do will never happen… but can you imagine the Cabinet-level appointments he’ll nominate? A Santorum AG? Santorum nominations to the FCC? His SC nominees? Add his big-government, pro-labor ways on other issues, and I have no reason to trust him at all when it comes to appointees in almost any branch of government (except perhaps ATF).

        • clintonformccain

          He’ll be too busy going after Larry Flint.

          —————-

          I swear, between Gingrich and Santorum’s Christian Coalition pandering, I feel like I’m stuck in a ground hog day reprise of the 90s. It’s like the Republican Party doesn’t want to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

          It’s so frustrating because there are so many new faces and bright new lights in the party, but not much of that forward looking energy is showing up in the presidential primary.

  • GregInFla

    These are getting so predictable: the same folks saying the same stuff in comments from diary to diary. I enjoy the diaries (thanks JLeg) but the comments are getting so predictable. Come on, folks. Let’s get creative and supportive around here.

  • redmymind

    n/t

  • Juggernaut

    Romney will damage this country more than Santorum.

  • trickamsterdam

    NightTwister is a blockhead and a bad poster. Learn to ignore him and you’ll have more fun. The points are so idiotic they don’t even need to be refuted (as opposed to someone like Adjoran who could possibly weaken the resolve of conservatives and libertarians).

    Once I wrote a post about candidates I thought we had a chance to perhaps get at a brokered convention and listed P. Ryan and M. Rubio as two possiblities. In his response in the title bar NightTwister said “Rubio is an empty suit”.

    I didn’t even bother reading the text of his comment (seriously) after that ridiculous title and have never regretted it. Yeah the guy who was Speaker of the House in a State the size of a small country and who ran a text book perfect underdog campaign against a popular incumbent is an “empty suit”.

    The only reason I ever read any of his comments now is that they’re all one line and in the title bar…so in a sense he’s sort of like someone blaring loud music out of their car…you can’t quite avoid him..

    BTW he was against a brokered convention even though he doesn’t think any of these four candidates can win. So he’d rather lose than even try. If the world were filled w/ people like NightTwister we’d all still be living in straw huts right now.

    As far as the “Santorum is not electable” argument ask anyone using it to name what States they think Romney can win that Santorum can’t? That’ll shut them up quite quickly, because there virtually are none.

    Maybe NH? Maybe NV because of Mormon turnout? Perhaps Colorado for the same reason? Except Santo winning CO in the primary makes that alleged advantage a bit dubious.

    But since Romney is so unpopular w/ the Base and is going to more or less split independents w/ Obama (who is popular w/ his base) I think he’ll struggle in States that Santorum will have a walk in the park in like NC and MO or even somewhere like AR.

    It’s clear to anyone w/ any sense Santo also has a measurably better shot in PA and OH than Romney although he may still lose them to Obama. The biggest mistake people make w/ Romney is looking at the popular vote and not the electoral vote map.

    Romney appeals to independents in Blue States that are not going to go Red and struggles in Purple States. He’s also going to have to expend resources in Red States that Santo won’t.

    Romney is less electable than Santorum period.

    • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

      ^^no^text^^

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        __no_text__

        • trickamsterdam

          I did reply to him but I hit a key by accident and the site said “can’t post w/ no text”. When I used the arrow to backtrack the site must have moved the post down here.

          The irony of course is none of your posts have any text. But as long as I’m writing this I have a suggestion. Take joeydavis’ bet but bet him if Santorum wins over 20 States you’ll never post here again.

          That’s twice your over-under. And it’ll even give the people who don’t like Santorum something to root for.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            I’ve already survived one Presidential election cycle here, no reason to think I won’t survive another.

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    and for that matter, the reason I support Newt getting out is because he cannot win, he will not win. Santorum is the only one who has any chance of stopping Romney. If Romney still wins, then that is the way it happens, either way Newt should have gotten out awhile ago. after the voters rejected him in Florida.

    • J. Leg

      would, at best, result in a landslide loss to Barack Obama.

      At worst, Santorum because president and confuses the conservative movement for 8 years like President Bush did.

  • Ned Reck

    I am voting for John McCain…. uh… err….

    Mitt Romney.

    (Is that what you are sayin’?)

    Ned

    • garfieldjl

      John McCain was at least a moderate, Romney is an out and out liberal pretending to be a moderate.

      • Ned Reck

        You made me nearly pee myself…

        Ned

  • https://www.facebook.com/HanoverHenry hanoverhenry

    …and no one ever suggested that all Newt Gingrich supporters would vote for Rick Santorum if Newt were to drop out. Some of those who prefer Newt will like you, vote for the more liberal candidate Mitt Romney, simply because they despise the “values voters” and what Rick Santorum – in their mind – represents, a full spectrum conservative whose ratings by all of the mainstream conservative, defense, economics and family groups are at the top of the charts. And yes, perhaps 20% of those other Newt supporters would vote for Romney as you would, and for the same reasons. There are also some in the Rick Santorum ranks – not including the undersigned – who would also vote for Romney, if Rick Santorum dropped out. However, happily, most of us according to the exit polls AT EACH AND EVERY GOP PRIMARY held to date, dissent from your posted comment here – MOST Santorum supporters would like me, vote for Gingrich, and MOST Gingrich supporters, would vote for Santorum.

    • garfieldjl

      Newt’s base would go half to Santorum and half to Romney, those that would choose to vote and not stay home anyways.

  • https://www.facebook.com/HanoverHenry hanoverhenry

    I wrote a few days ago about what Rick Santorum in a recent victory speech called “the centality of faith” in his life. It was just a few lines in a much longer speech, and seized upon by the leftists, the haters and their few allies in these pages. http://www.redstate.com/hanoverhenry/2012/03/15/santorum-centrality-of-faith-provokes-leftwing-hate/

  • https://www.facebook.com/HanoverHenry hanoverhenry

    pardon my typo (I left out the “r” of centrality in earlier post and for reasons that elude me the makers of RED STATE do not wish for us to be able to edit, remove or change posts once posted).

    The very idea that your faith should animate, motivate and guide you is of course, an anathema to those who try to rewrite American history to exclude this “centrality” from the reports on what motivated, animated and guided our founders and today, guides Rick Santorum.

    see: http://www.redstate.com/hanoverhenry/2012/03/15/santorum-centrality-of-faith-provokes-leftwing-hate/

    and earlier, on “separation of church and state” I wrote, http://www.redstate.com/hanoverhenry/2012/02/29/did-santorum-criticism-of-catholic-john-kennedy-1960-speech-cost-him-in-michigan/

  • Scope

    to speed date with. Who will you back next? there aren’t too many more options.

    • Scope

      is that I’ve watched people here go from one candidate, to another that held none of the principles/positions of their last date. Then we narrow the field, and those that some absolutely hated as candidates, are now willing to get on their team, and shill about how great their new found love is. I am sickened to find so many “fickle” voters. People are actually willing to buy the obvious lies of one candidate, but are aghast at the lies coming from another. Well my guy changed his position to X recently, but that horrible Y candidate can’t be given the same excuse. This campaign season has proven one thing, voters are naive, uneducated, and still willing to go for the medias choice, or the pollsters.

      • acat

        Makes the miracle of St. Reagan even more amazing, doesn’t it?

        (the most annoying part is .. if Romney had reached out to conservatives starting January 2009, we’d need to find something else to argue over because he’d have clinched by now!)

        Mew

        • garfieldjl

          He doesn’t believe in Conservatism, he’s a Liberal.

          He doesn’t believe in what he’s trying to sell.

          Gingrich believes in what he’s advocating.

          Santorum believes in what he’s advocating.

          Paul (as crazy as he is) believes in what he’s advocating.

          I don’t believe Romney believes in what he’s telling us he will do.

          • jakeofalltrades

            He’ll be both as good and as bad as Bush the Younger.

        • Scope

          The candidates are the candidates. They all come with records. If Romney had reached out to conservatives in 2009, he would still be the same person he is now, as he was then. Romney’s record apparently wasn’t as vetted in 08, and it has been in this season. Obama’s record wasn’t vetted in 08, but he seems to be getting much more scrutiny now then he was then. Romney wasn’t vetted in 08 very well, most likely because McCain was the “inevitable” in 08, and was reported to be the media darling in 08. The media turned on McCain as soon as he got the nom. The very same media will turn on Romney in 12. Have you noticed the increasing interviews McCain has gotten lately? I’ve seen his crinkled face more in the last few weeks than I was suffered to watch in the last three years.

          I just want the honest and true records of all of the candidates to be reported, and in a fair manner. I know, unicorn farts and all that.

          • acat

            Yes, Romney would be the same person, but .. he wouldn’t have the same groundswell of support for not-Romney that’s led us here if he’d done some outreach to conservatives instead of .. whatever it was he *did* do for the last 3 years…

            Yes, Romney wasn’t vetted much in 2008 .. because McCain was “inevitable” .. and the reason for that is McCain was undeniably strong on one conservative point – national defense – and could make enough of a case for himself on the others – strong families, strong economy – to get the nomination.

            Yes, Romney hasn’t been vetted enough in 2012 .. because he’s the “new inevitable”. The Media are even trying the McCain rope-a-dope strategy again… and Willard’s walking right into it.

            Where I disagree is that, unless you’re proposing to develop telepathy or something, we can’t know the honest and true records .. we can just get closer to surety.

            For myself, I’ve done my own research, and drawn my own conclusions. I’m willing to be proven wrong, but so far the Romney supporters seem much more interested in attacking other candidates than in talking about his record.

            Mew

        • trickamsterdam

          The thing is he was reaching out to the base and it was working. He helped get a lot of Republicans elected in 2010. He helped get Scott Brown elected before anyone had heard of Scott Brown and that could have stopped ObamaCare if the Democrats hadn’t been clever and lucky (they barely got it out of the Senate before the Brown election).

          I thought he did quite well in the initial debates. Unlike Huntsman who showed contempt for the Base Romney was actually borderline begging to be liked. He didn’t even overstate himself calling himself “a conservative businessman”. I thought that was a clever way of acknowledging his social conservative sins while putting the best spin on them.

          Then he decided to blow Newt up in Florida even though he could’ve won without doing that and in a winner take all the margin of victory doesn’t matter.

          It’s not irrational that FL changed people’s perception and image of Romney because it was historic. It’s literally the most negative campaign in American political history.

          Never has that much money been spent in that small a place in that short an amount of time. And 99.9% negative ads about Newt and only .01% positive ads about himself. Just mind-blowingly empty on Romney’s part. Complete intellectual and moral bankruptcy.

          It’s really quite comparable to Hitler and Napoleon invading Russia because everything’s going more or less fine and you get over-confident and make a move that seems to make sense but it doesn’t and then you’re trapped.

          Florida is where Romney’s positive rating w/ Republicans and Independents collapsed and where he got the reputation for having no ideas and where he got in this pattern of having to spend tons of bread because the more people don’t like him the more he has to spend.

          This guy who wrote this Diary can vote for who he wants. His reasoning make no sense because he says he’s voting for Romney because unlike Santo Romney doesn’t claim to be a conservative…and of course Romney does claim that now all the time.

          But if someone thinks this battered and bankrupt creature that manages to stagger into a convention having only secured the nomination at the very end w/ the help of Super Delegates is going to unify this divided Party and defeat Obama…

          Well they must be the same as those diehards who were planning on getting Napoleon of that last island at the end for another comeback when he finally kicked.

          • acat

            As for Sen. Scott Brown (pudding-MA) he’s a moderate, but a very necessary moderate.

            I view the circumstances of the Tea Partiers and Establishment coming together to get him elected as a recognition of a common enemy … something we’d all do well to remember.

            As for Romney .. if he had effectively reached out – not just helping moderates, but working in the public eye to elect conservatives – enough folk wouldn’t wonder about him today.

            Mew

            p.s. Elba.

      • civil truth

        And compared their positions with those of the three survivors, they’d wonder how they woke up the next morning with such ugly dates compared with the ones they rejected.

      • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

        won’t people be expected to get on board and start supporting Romney. It makes sense for people to move on once their candidate is gone. I am no Newt fan, but he surely is better than Romney or Santorum. Except he is all but done and it has been proven negative ads work on him. I’m not sure what people should do if not move on once their candidate leaves.

    • J. Leg

      If my preferred candidate, Newt, drops out before the California primary, I will reluctantly vote for Mitt Romney to spare the conservative movement another 8 years of confusion.

  • rednation

    People are fickle, and in the end they let the media choose for them.

    Of course, the whole centrality theme is designed to augment th ongoing attempt to make Santorum “Saint Rick” or “Pope Ricky” buttressed by pictures of him lecturing at a catholic school years ago amid a cross, making it look like he discusses social issues constantly in domination, especially porn banning, over a paragraph and position on enforcing EXISTING LAWS on obscenity that BOTH Newt and Mittens also hold identically, A post that has been up for 4+ months that he’s never discussed on the stump, which Romney shill Matt Drudge picked up and beat to death for TDC’s benefit.

    It’s called “defining Rick Santorum” for the fall, and to scare voters out of taking hm for fear of loss so the select Mittens, who is never criticized for much besides technical issues, like being dull…

    UNTIL he wins the nomination. Then the media will go all John McCain on his as$ and show they wanted him all along.

    Frustrating, no?

  • rednation

    Folks who think they can reliably predict swing voters (some of the most impressionable) together with late deciders, the mods/indies that move elections, are kidding themselves.

    They can support anyone from far left to right and the middle. The idea that you must have moderate to win them over, or hold certain positions on social issues, is folly.

    In presidential elections, the comfort level voters think they feel with a candidate, their ability to connect with them emotionally, is more important than an issue checklist. Also, such voters tend to dislike candidates who get in the personal space of their foe in debates, which became important in several past big elections.

    Romney supporters never seem to get the fact that boring dull insincere candidates, who remind of Dukakis or Kerry, seldom win against those with more personality. They act like people are supposed to just read off a chart of how great in business he is is enough to win against a more magnetic personality. Not so…

    • acat

      No quality control!

      If voting had a dollar cost – say, a nominal $1.00 fee to “offset the cost of printing ballots” – we would get more serious voters.

      If voting had a simple requirement – like filing an IRS 1040 – we would get more serious voters.

      As neither of those work, I am left suggesting that we demand basic knowledge from our voters. As the ballots are moving from punched chads to scantron-style fill-in-the-oval, why not add a simple test? Require the voter to name the current holder of the office that they want to replace. Multiple choice, even!

      “Who is the current Senator from Illinois?” (choose one)
      [ ] Barack Obama
      [ ] Roland Burris
      [ ] Mark Kirk
      [ ] Richard “Dick” Durbin

      “Which of the candidates for Senator from Illinois do you vote for?”
      [ ] Mark Kirk (R)
      [ ] Alexi Giannoulias (D)

      If a voter fails to identify either of the current Senators (Kirk and Durbin) then they aren’t paying attention and forfeit their right to name the new one!

      Mew

      • rednation

        Trouble, again, is liberal brainwashing.

        The idea that “voting is a RIGHT” and not at some reasonable degree (see sandy Dee O’s Bush-Gore ruling on the solemnity of the occasion, etc.) is pushed on the public.

        Anyone disagreeing is branded a racist, or something.

        If you cannot operate a touch screen, you do not need to decide my life fate.

        These morons piled in in 2008 and voted in my precinct for Obama, and we are still suffering for that one!

        • acat

          The right to vote comes with the responsibility to choose wisely.

          This is why I’m convinced a “poll fee” or “must file 1040″ won’t fly .. although the latter would immediately cut fraud by a good bit.

          The pop quiz is, I think, the best alternative.

          Mew

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            Nttt

  • redmymind

    “If I don’t get what I want, I’m gonna tantrum.”

    My response: BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • garfieldjl

      Giving people that are AntiSantorum (whom don’t care for Romney)someone to vote for other than Romney is a good thing.

      They can vote for Newt and be assured that Santorum can’t win the nomination anyways.

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        please

        next

  • rednation

    Should ask what Romney’s people are doing and feeling, his henchmen.

    They want Newt to remain in. Boy, do they ever.

    They would prefer both drop out, but this is a close second.

    It’s actually a lot easier to ditch Santorum this way.

    Now, new BS polls are showing equal splintering to Romney as to Santorum from Newt backers.

    More poll manipulation and other tricks. It’s probable that 60% are to Santorum and 40% to Romney, if that.

    Now articles with silly arguments “showing” Santorum is better off if Newt is in, was not true weeks ago in MI and OH, and is not true now…

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    And it seems to be mostly trying to control people’s actions in the area of social legislation. That is a loser in the general election both for a right winger and a left winger.

    The other area he seems passionate on is protectionism. That might win votes but it is a terrible policy.

    He also misspeaks and says silly things almost as much as Gingrich does.

    This guy is not going to beat Obama. Not unless we have another recession just before the election.

  • skuzi12

    For those of you who have written in defense of Mitt or wish to see him as the Republican nominee, it is clear that you have NOT done your due diligence of this man. It is sooooooo very important that every voting American do their own extensive due diligence before voting. We can not afford to get this wrong.

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