Obama ignores facts, blames GOP {UPDATED}


So what else is new, right?

{UPDATE: with Kevin’s kind permission, below is the video of the speech in question.

Remember: this is the candidate who’s supposed to be taking us away from the politics of negativity. Unless you disagree with his math, of course: then you’re just being proudly ignorant.

But he still wants your vote! - Moe Lane}

Obama in Ohio:

Let me make a point—let me make a point about efficiency, because my Republican opponents? They don’t like to talk about efficiency. You know, the other day I was at a townhall meeting, and I had laid out my plans for investing $15 billion a year in energy efficient cars and a new electricity grid and all this. Somebody said: well, what can I do, what can individuals do? So, I told them something simple. I said, you know what, you can inflate your tires to the proper levels, and that if everybody in America inflated their tires to the proper level we would actually—probably save more oil than all the oil we’d get from John McCain drilling right below his feet there, wherever it is that he was going to drill.

So, now the Republicans are going around—this is the kind of thing they do, I don’t understand it—they’re going around sending, like, little tire gauges, making fun of this idea as if this is Barack Obama’s energy plan.

Now, two points. One, they know they’re lying about what my energy plan is. But the other thing is, they’re making fun of a step that every expert says would absolutely reduce our oil consumption by three to four percent. It’s like—it’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant, you know? They think it’s funny that they’re making fun of something that is actually true. They need to do their homework. Because this is serious business. Instead of running ads about Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, they should go talk to some energy experts and make a difference.

But the problem isn’t that Republicans denied that air pressure could save fuel. The problem is that Obama’s math was way off. Powerline did the math, Jim Geraghty did the math, and Jake Tapper [did the math] (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/from-the-fact-1.html), and under no scenario do you get to savings equal to offshore drilling.

So who is ignorant and who needs to talk to the experts?

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Mr. 25% is amazing thin skinned

Dave_in_Fla Tuesday, August 5th at 4:22PM EDT (link)

But then, that is why he is Mr. 25%.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” - Joe McCarthy

 

but Obama is omniscient...he has no need for human expertise....;^)...n/t

Attack Mode Tuesday, August 5th at 4:32PM EDT (link)

n/t

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 

And in other news...

Wilmington Tuesday, August 5th at 4:39PM EDT (link)

and this is relevant because....? n/t

randy streu Tuesday, August 5th at 4:45PM EDT (link)

what are you trying here wilmington...concern troll race baiting.

Attack Mode Tuesday, August 5th at 4:47PM EDT (link)

yeah you will fit in great back at DKos…why don’t you just amble on back there now.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 
 

misleading

dskerman Tuesday, August 5th at 4:48PM EDT (link)

I’ve only checked out one of the three stories you linked to so far, but the powerline study is not boding well for the accuracy of the second two.

It first calculates the amount properly inflating tires would save in one year.

then compares that to the total esimated recoverable resources available in the proposed drilling areas.

It doesn’t take a genius to see that is a misbalanced equation, as it would take decades to actually extract that amount of oil.

A much more relevant comparison would be to estimate the yearly yield of those new fields and compare it to the amount saved.

Bush Administration estimates that expanded offshore drilling could increase oil production by 200,000 bbl. per day by 2030.

200,000*365 = 73,000,000
powerline says properly inflating tires = 90,000,000 saved per year.

so we can either recover an extra 73 million barrels per year in 2030, or we could save 90 million barrels per year today by properly inflating our tiers.

I don't know what's funnier: your desperate attempt to change the subject...

Moe Lane Tuesday, August 5th at 4:50PM EDT (link)

…or the fact that you totally messed up the formatting to do it. We have link buttons for a reason, Sparky.

Moe

PS: In case anybody cares, apparently Schaffer’s 19 year old kid embarrassed his parents with some nasty anti-Obama garbage on his Facebook page. No, I have no idea what that had to do with Obama’s inability to do math, either.

 
 

It really is Carter's second term

Next93 Tuesday, August 5th at 4:52PM EDT (link)

We figured out back in the 70’s that you can’t conserve your way out of an energy crisis. Conservation may make the crisis a little less deep, but it won’t make it any shorter.

Bottom line is, you can’t grow the economy by conservation, regardless of what idiots like Carter and Obama (and Minnesota’s own RINO governor) say about it.

Constitutional limits on the powers of the federal government:
It’s not just the law, it’s a good idea!

first it is not the Bush Admin estimate...

Attack Mode Tuesday, August 5th at 4:53PM EDT (link)

…it is the EIA estimate and it has been thoroughly discussed here on RedState. And for the most part the EIA estimate is wrong.

Now go back to DKos.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 

let me understand..

Pentagon16 Tuesday, August 5th at 4:53PM EDT (link)

So for me to save money on a gallon of gas at the pump, I need to get a tune up and inflate my tires on a BRAND NEW CAR with 1,212 miles on it.

Is Obama’s next rollout plan going to call for us to save JP 8 Aviation fuel by having our bombers slow down over Afghanistan, fly fewer training missions and have our carrier battle groups steam in smaller circles? That could save some more fuel also..

and what about his jet setting Hollywood buddies? Could they take fewer Gulfstream jaunts to their openings in Paris? I mean since we all have to sacrifice and all..

“Small town folks get bitter after which they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment”- Barack Carter Obama

Yah! The 3rd time we've seen this lie on RedState. n/t

Darin_H Tuesday, August 5th at 4:55PM EDT (link)

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maybe Neil could make it to where all new accounts are directed to the many debates about the EIA estimate before they are allowed to post...

Attack Mode Tuesday, August 5th at 4:57PM EDT (link)

…I know you can’t really do this Neil but it would be awesome none the less.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

You guys need better porn, dskerman.

Moe Lane Tuesday, August 5th at 4:58PM EDT (link)

You’ve worn out all the mojo from that particular study which you were too scared to link to, and for good reason.

Bored now.

Moe

That's a dumb question

bk Tuesday, August 5th at 5:01PM EDT (link)

We won’t need an air force if Obama is elected, so we’ll save tons of fuel.

 
 
 
 
 

"actually, probably..."

blooch Tuesday, August 5th at 5:20PM EDT (link)

And what’s with the nose-scratching after “John McCain’s feet”? Was he checking to see if it grew a little?

“I have to admit that Karl Marx (1818-1883) was a smart man. He was, in many ways, a psychologist.”–drealoth

since you are too lazy to

Kevin Holtsberry Tuesday, August 5th at 6:23PM EDT (link)

Allow me to quote from the Jake Tapper post (no rightwing troll he):

It means that if every American was running around with significantly underinflated tires and improperly tuned cars, then, yes, Sen. Obama is right, the savings from inflating the tires and tuning the cars could arguably match or exceed current output from the OCS.

However, since estimates of significant tire underinflation affect only about a quarter of the cars on road — as we noted above with the NHTSA statistics — and it’s highly unlikely that 100% of the cars are in need of tune- ups at any given time, the maximum savings amount is probably closer to 10%, Verrastro says.

“So the production offset is more likely to approach 800 thousand barrels per day – a tidy sum and a worthwhile target for savings, but not equal to OCS output,” he rules.

Simple enough for you?

Probably shouldn’t feed the trolls, but didn’t want to come off proudly ignorant or anything . . .

—————-
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http://www.kevinholtsberry.com

 
 

But...what about McCain's lie?!?

alinla Tuesday, August 5th at 6:29PM EDT (link)

Obama’s energy plan may have its shortcomings, but it is much, much more than encouraging people to inflate their tires properly–and you know it!

It seems that many of you are so desperate to find something–ANYTHING–they can use again him, you are compelled to lie and say that his whole plan is simply a matter of inflating tires.

I like this site because the people commenting usually avoid the cheap shots and obvious falsehoods that define newsbusters.org and mediamatters.org (et. al.) but I am seeing comments and posts that smack of desperation. Desperate people do desperate things.

(PS & BTW: I have not made up my mind who to vote for. I would, however, like an honest debate.)

 

Get a new set of antennas-

BooBooKitty Tuesday, August 5th at 6:39PM EDT (link)

you are confusing schadenfreude with desperation. Followers of the chosen one often become confused and disoriented after straying from fold… go toward the light.

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Cure Hunger

wiseprince Tuesday, August 5th at 6:48PM EDT (link)

If everyone just gave up one meal a day we could feed the whole world

The, “Inflate your tires” idea reminds me of the popular solution above

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It's not a lie to highlight absurd comments.

Mord Tuesday, August 5th at 6:52PM EDT (link)

it’s about as much of a lie as the whole “100 years” quote. Payback is a B**.

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Get a new set of antennas-

BooBooKitty Tuesday, August 5th at 6:52PM EDT (link)

you are confusing schadenfreude with desperation. Followers of the chosen one often become confused and disoriented after straying from fold… go toward the light

_________________

Thou art the Great Cat, the avenger of the Gods, and the judge of words…-Inscription on the Royal Tombs at Thebes

you registered a month ago and chose to have your first post be in defense of Obama..

Attack Mode Tuesday, August 5th at 6:53PM EDT (link)

…and you make a broad accusation that,

It seems that many of you are…compelled to lie

Then you try and make the peace by saying you are an undecided voter….yeah I don’t know, kinda smells.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

No, not really

Dave_in_Fla Tuesday, August 5th at 7:07PM EDT (link)

Inflating tires is about all there is.

Oh, there is the tuneup also, but cars stopped needing those in 1985. So yeah, all we are really left with is inflating tires.

Oh wait! I forgot about “I’m ok with $4 gasoline, I just don’t like how fast it went up”. You are right, the rest of his plan is to ignore the price at the pump.

Sorry for my mistake.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” - Joe McCarthy

 
 
 
 
 

I wasn't aware that everything that uses oil also has tires and needs a regular tuneup.

NightTwister Tuesday, August 5th at 7:07PM EDT (link)

I’ve spent all day trying to figure out how to change the tires on my tupperware, but alas, I’m apparently not as smart as Barack Obama.

nicely done

wiseprince Tuesday, August 5th at 7:10PM EDT (link)

Haven’t heard anyone else mention that

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magnanimous in the extreme

Streiff Tuesday, August 5th at 7:14PM EDT (link)

well since we’re only happy if you’re happy we’ll fix this right away

“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”

Should've been "inflate the tires".

NightTwister Tuesday, August 5th at 7:17PM EDT (link)

But you get the idea…

dsk, you are probably gone, and I'm wasting my time

Dave_in_Fla Tuesday, August 5th at 7:19PM EDT (link)

But the new Thunderhorse platform alone produces more oil than that. So you keep right on trusting those incorrect reports, while we will use actual production totals from working wells.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” - Joe McCarthy

Cool Pentagon, what did you get?

Dave_in_Fla Tuesday, August 5th at 7:23PM EDT (link)

I love hearing about new rides.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” - Joe McCarthy

 
 
 
 
 
 

Obama gets it wrong again...as usual

Michael Dugas Tuesday, August 5th at 7:31PM EDT (link)

It was supposed to be DEFLATE the tires and THROW away the keys! THAT was the scope of his energy plan but he lost his place on the teleprompter and hadda wing it…hence we get the tire gauge.

Intro to Federalist Papers; section 5;
paragraph 4.
“…dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the zeal for a firm and efficient government.”

I’m an embarrassment to Barack!

I only scored 17 on the Obama Test




Actually, what's most misleading

ehosterman Tuesday, August 5th at 7:46PM EDT (link)

is that you intentionally only count oil from OCS drilling, when the 200 lb gorilla in the room is the oil contained in western shakle oil deposits, which Powerline added to the total. When you consider that the lower end estimate for shale oil is 10 times the estimated reserves of the OCS it’s easy to see why you exclude it. It just doesn’t fit the meme.

Of Course we also proved

ehosterman Tuesday, August 5th at 7:50PM EDT (link)

that “windfall profits” taxes were a bad idea in the 1970’s as well. I guess it’s a retro thing.

I think you should just skip that part

Joe_Schmo Tuesday, August 5th at 8:06PM EDT (link)

You know, give up on inflating the tires on the tupperwear and move on to the tuneup part…


Petrolium is used to make lubricants too.

Mord Tuesday, August 5th at 8:11PM EDT (link)

Every moving part in our world needs lubrication since we have not, as yet developed frictionless bearings. Most lubricants are petrolium based…I would say ALL but I don’t know that for a fact.

All of those wind turbines and solar panels and all of that awesome biofuel needs fossil fuel by-products just be manufactured, not to mention the actual materials that the machines that make the machines that make the machines that make your lights go on every day 24/7/365.(repetition was intentional) There is literally no moment in your life that isn’t benefitted by fossil fuels.

From the clothes you wear, food you eat, the roads you drive on, the shingles on your roof,to the machinery that makes our standard of living even possible. I don’t think most people realize how dependent even basic technology is on “BigOil”.

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How could the residents of San Francisco

Dave_in_Fla Tuesday, August 5th at 8:18PM EDT (link)

Survive without Vaseline? I don’t think they’ve thought this through.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” - Joe McCarthy

O.o

Mord Tuesday, August 5th at 8:26PM EDT (link)

hahahaha…..deep breath….hahahhaa.

Maybey somone should send out a mailer.

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Time value of money

shadowtax Tuesday, August 5th at 8:42PM EDT (link)

Professors and financial advisors have a demonstration for something called the time value of money. Bascially, if you save $4 a day, you can retire a millionaire.

It’s true. However, we don’t see too many people retiring as millionaires, do we? People simply do not save as much as they should. That is why there is a financial services industry, to help people manage money.

Likewise people do not conserve as much energy as they should. That is why there is an oil industry. It is easier for relatively few professionals to increase the oil supply than it is to mandate changes in behavior to the multitudes.

Do you suppose that when the Democrats proposes a massive tax hike to “fix” social security, Senator Obama respond, “Americans can raise more money for retirement by saving $4 a day, then through all those tax revenues the Congress proposes raising?” I think not.

 

Look at the Obamanauts whine

Neil Stevens Tuesday, August 5th at 8:42PM EDT (link)

Their Prophet is insulted, so what do they do? Attack, attack, attack.

It’s completely emotional. They’re so deep in that cult of personality that they’ve been stripped of rational thought and an ability to reason with those who have reject HopeChange salvation.

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

 

Inflating tires is like getting more exercise...

nod90 Tuesday, August 5th at 9:15PM EDT (link)

…it’s something that you can nag the American people about but experience suggests that the nagging is unlikely to be effective.

Solving the under-inflation issue would require funding local police departments to set up tire pressure check points with $200 fines for those whose pressure was too low.

I guess that would be very unpopular, but if that is what Obama has in mind I think he should be honest about it.

I bet that a lot of the people with underinflated tires are professionals who don’t like to get their hands dirty, or the elderly who find getting down on their hands and knees in the middle of a dirty driveway to be uncomfortable.

The best long term solution would be a dashboard display of tire pressures but I suspect that would be expensive.

The bottom line is that Obama’s comment is no substitute for a real energy plan that uses all possible means to bring gas prices down.

BDS is like botox to the laugh box.

blooch Tuesday, August 5th at 9:37PM EDT (link)

They had eight years of Bill Clinton , and they were able to laugh at him, with him, because he made us so mad. Then they got stuck with eight years of the smirky insouciance of W.

They were so sure the solemn, stodgy Algore would wipe the smirk off W’s face, and it did’t happen. They were so sure that the ponderous Lurch would finish him off, and that didn’t happen.

Now they’re stuck with a guy whom they’re absolutely forbidden to laugh at because his mission is so serious, and they think that we are somehow not allowed to laugh at him either. And they can’t even laugh at McCain, because they’ve remade him in the image of W. The best they can manage is bitter, croaking “old guy” jokes.

C’mon, you trolls, you goateed Obamatics with knitted brows, just laugh with us and say, “Yeah, he effed up that one a little, but we’ll get you back!” This isn’t a “Dukakis-in-the-tank helmet” moment…is it?

“I have to admit that Karl Marx (1818-1883) was a smart man. He was, in many ways, a psychologist.”–drealoth

That was Beautiful...dude

$peciallist Tuesday, August 5th at 10:02PM EDT (link)

Neil set it off.

blooch Tuesday, August 5th at 10:12PM EDT (link)

Partial credit to him is due, dude.

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Obama has a race fan on the payroll

Maggie_in_Indiana Tuesday, August 5th at 10:24PM EDT (link)

who must have seen Mario Andretti on his inflate your tires and roll up your windows to reduce drag,and use the air conditioner. A commerical before the Indy 500 in May. There were others also who made simular ads.

By the way my Pacifica tells me when I have low pressure in my tires,but thanks anyway Barry.

Conserving fuel by all the various means have been used by all of to some extent and frankly I’m tired of it. I just want cheaper gas to burn in my wagon and go on a road trip.

Maggie in Indiana

Off-topic, I'm sure...

aardpig Tuesday, August 5th at 11:41PM EDT (link)

…but on what planet will saving $4 per day make me a millionaire when I retire? Suppose I start saving when I’m born, and retire at 65 — then I will have saved $94965, an amount that falls short of $1 million by over a factor of 10.

So, what am I missing here?

“I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C and D. Just who do they think they are?”. — B.G.

No one is saying that conserving isn't a good thing.

NightTwister Tuesday, August 5th at 11:45PM EDT (link)

It’s just isn’t an Energy Policy.

Either it's exaggeration or his number is off.

Brian Simpson Tuesday, August 5th at 11:51PM EDT (link)

n.t.

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the part where you get a return on your investment.

nilram Wednesday, August 6th at 12:21AM EDT (link)

If you invest $4 a day for 65 years with a 6% return compounded daily the result is $1,177,696.13.

Of course I doubt many people will invest $4 a day for their entire lives.

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–Douglas MacArthur

nilram, I think your math is off

Brian Simpson Wednesday, August 6th at 12:40AM EDT (link)

I used money chimp’s compound interest calculator

PV = 0
annual additions = 1460
years to grow = 65
interest rate = 8%
compounding one time per year

It spits out just over $2.9 million

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It's right.

nilram Wednesday, August 6th at 3:04PM EDT (link)

If you go back to the site and change the interest to 6% and compound 365 times a year. ( I said compounded daily) you get about $1.177 million which is close to what I got. The scenario that I set up was actually contributing $4 per day and it increases the return slightly. And I think I may have compounded continuously instead of compounding daily.

The point is, you can make over $1 million by investing $4 per day but you have to do it for an unrealistically long time or get a really good interest rate.

I played with the calculator a bit and it seems that if you invest $10 per day for 45 years (ages 20-65) with an 8% apr the return is also over $1 million.

By the way does anyone actually compound continuously or is that just something to torture algebra students with?

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The McCain plan

Molten Thursday, August 7th at 6:29AM EDT (link)

Turn off your lights and don’t drive that extra mile.

Riiiight. Thanks for letting us know that. <NT>

Moe Lane Thursday, August 7th at 6:36AM EDT (link)

Funny...

JKH1232 Thursday, August 7th at 6:53AM EDT (link)

I thought the McCain Plan was: Drill, Drill Driil, Nuke, Nuke, Nuke.

 
 
 

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