Obama started the distortion last night:
Just one last point I want to make, since Senator McCain talked about providing a $5,000 health credit. Now, what he doesn’t tell you is that he intends to, for the first time in history, tax health benefits.
The Biden did what he does best and talk out of his – well, the side of his mouth:
John McCain and Sarah Palin “are proposing the largest increase on middle class taxpayers in American history….It will cost the middle class over one trillion dollars in additional taxes. It is almost unbelievable.” –Joe Biden campaign rally, Greensburg, PA. September 25, 2008.
True? Nope. Washington Post pulls out the Four Pinochios:
John McCain wants to drastically overhaul the health insurance system in order to encourage Americans to go out and buy their own health care plans rather than relying on employer-based plans. To achieve this, he plans to tax employer-provided health benefits and provide a $2,500 tax credit ($5,000 for families) toward the cost of health insurance.
By most independent calculations, the McCain plan will leave most taxpayers better off in strictly financial terms, at least until 2013. After 2013, the benefits will begin to diminish. By 2018, taxpayers in the top quintile will be slightly worse off, but middle-income taxpayers will either break even or be slightly ahead. According to the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, the McCain proposals will result in a net benefit of $1,241 to the average tax payer in 2009, $895 in 2013, and $386 in 2018.
“It is not fair to pull out just one part of the McCain proposal,” said Eric Toder, a TPC analyst. “It is a package. They are giving back more than they are taking away.”
At what point does Obama and Biden get called on the fact that every day on the trail seems to bring a new lie or deceptive claim. At what point do Biden’s gaffes stop being a joke and start being a vulnerability?
Moe Lane
Steve Maley
Dan McLaughlin
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
Why tax
gekster (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 9:15PM EST (link)I would think that Tort reform would be the priority before
any tax increase.
Malpractice insurance rates are astronomical,
with most lawsuits giving the lion’s share of any settlement
to the liars, er lawyers.
Some Doctors are even driven out of business by the high costs.
Those costs are passed down in higher fees to the patient.
Bring it down and maybe people could afford health insurance
without taxing anybody.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
The point is
Kevin Holtsberry (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 9:28PM EST (link)to get away from employer based health care and give people the power to make choices. It also puts a market back in health care because people have their money and can make choices about spending it.
The tax system is what has brought us to this employer based system that keeps people from being in control of their health care.
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Kevin Holtsberry
Not good for me on the surface
weave (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 9:46PM EST (link)My employer paid healthcare costs my employer $5,300 per year for a single person and $13,100 for a family. The credit won’t pay for it all and if my employer modified their plan to make each employer pay equal to their tax credit, then my taxable income would go up by the difference ($2,800).
Part of the reason I took the job was the outstanding benefit package. This plan mucks with that greatly.
The reason healthcare premiums are lower in a group than individual coverage is that the risk is spread out across the entire group. If it’s changed to people just buying it when they think they need it, the very young will likely skip it since they need the money for other things, and the older folk will elect to get coverage — decreasing the pool to spread the risk across.
Unless the feds are going to mandate everyone buy health insurance like is done with auto insurance.
It makes me uncomfortable and I haven’t found a good explanation of how this is all supposed to work out that answers my concerns.
Not good for me on the surface
weave (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 9:49PM EST (link)My employer paid healthcare costs my employer $5,300 per year for a single person and $13,100 for a family. The credit won’t pay for it all and if my employer modified their plan to make each employer pay equal to their tax credit, then my taxable income would go up by the difference ($2,800).
Part of the reason I took the job was the outstanding benefit package. This plan mucks with that greatly.
The reason healthcare premiums are lower in a group than individual coverage is that the risk is spread out across the entire group. If it’s changed to people just buying it when they think they need it, the very young will likely skip it since they need the money for other things, and the older folk will elect to get coverage — decreasing the pool to spread the risk across.
Unless the feds are going to mandate everyone buy health insurance like is done with auto insurance.
It makes me uncomfortable and I haven’t found a good explanation of how this is all supposed to work out that answers my concerns.
Sorry for double post
weave (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 9:54PM EST (link)Sorry for double post. I got an :unhandled exception thrown” error and tried to go back to rescue what I typed and tried posting again. Guess it went through and posted anyway.
2 Against 1, As Per Usual
Hestrold (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 11:21PM EST (link)You ask “At what point does Obama and Biden get called on the fact that every day on the trail seems to bring a new lie or deceptive claim. At what point do Biden’s gaffes stop being a joke and start being a vulnerability?”
Get real, we run our candidates against their candidates AND the MSM. It’s two against one and it’s unfair, but look how many times we actually win the debate. That’s what keeps me ultimately positive.
Hestrold