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	<title>Comments on: Ganley US Senate Campaign Misinterprets NY-23</title>
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		<title>By: phlogiston</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/kevin_holtsberry/2009/11/11/ganley-us-senate-campaign-misinterprepts-ny-23/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>phlogiston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...is commonly referred to as a &quot;knee jerk reaction.&quot; The official GOP says X, so you want to say Y.  And yes, there are plenty of reasons to be suspicious of the establishment GOP. Except this isn&#039;t one of them. Portman has established his conservative bona fides. Ganley has not. In fact, Ganley has shown himself to be  more than willing to use the power of governement to run roughshod over his fellow citizen - the opposite of a conservative. (See my previous posting.)

There&#039;s another lesson to NY 23 - you need to have an engaging candidate in order to win. Sorry, I loved Hoffman&#039;s positions, but the poor man came across with all the personality of the accountant he is. He was far and away better than Dede, but that wasn&#039;t hard to do, was it? If the Ohio GOP focussed on Portman&#039;s experience in winning elections, that&#039;s not a bad thing so long as conservative principles aren&#039;t a casualty at the same time. And they are not in this case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;is commonly referred to as a &#8220;knee jerk reaction.&#8221; The official GOP says X, so you want to say Y.  And yes, there are plenty of reasons to be suspicious of the establishment GOP. Except this isn&#8217;t one of them. Portman has established his conservative bona fides. Ganley has not. In fact, Ganley has shown himself to be  more than willing to use the power of governement to run roughshod over his fellow citizen &#8211; the opposite of a conservative. (See my previous posting.)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another lesson to NY 23 &#8211; you need to have an engaging candidate in order to win. Sorry, I loved Hoffman&#8217;s positions, but the poor man came across with all the personality of the accountant he is. He was far and away better than Dede, but that wasn&#8217;t hard to do, was it? If the Ohio GOP focussed on Portman&#8217;s experience in winning elections, that&#8217;s not a bad thing so long as conservative principles aren&#8217;t a casualty at the same time. And they are not in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: GOPlady</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/kevin_holtsberry/2009/11/11/ganley-us-senate-campaign-misinterprepts-ny-23/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>GOPlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Get your own facts straight.  The only connecting dots between Ganley and NY23 is that the political &quot;endorsement&quot; of the GOP irritates the grass roots.  You might call it a normal nominatinating central committee endorsement but it is funding Portman and giving him the stamp of approval.  Of course the 88 counties are going to be receptive to him.  I get the emails about all the fund raisers in my neck of the woods every day so I know that when you are on the inside, all the GOP counties help raise money.  They help trot you out.  And maybe that is part of the problem that I am trying to alert you to so you can learn.  There is gangrene in the toes of the body politic and it first start with Dede.  It will continue until we stop being told who to vote for and start being asked.
My point is that Ganley was and is shut out.  Whether or not he is better (or not) as a representative of the GOP should be decided by having both candidates get vetted on the trail.  Find the faults in Ganley so the people know why or why not.  Same with Portman.  Have them tested and debated and elected, not selected.  
You claim that Ganley is taking a page from Hoffman when I am telling you that he was around pre-Hoffman and the &quot;central committee&quot; or the party insiders or the cigar smoking back roomers, nixed Ganley and married Portman.  Right or wrong, there is another side to the coin and even a different fruit basket then the lessons you are claiming are in err.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get your own facts straight.  The only connecting dots between Ganley and NY23 is that the political &#8220;endorsement&#8221; of the GOP irritates the grass roots.  You might call it a normal nominatinating central committee endorsement but it is funding Portman and giving him the stamp of approval.  Of course the 88 counties are going to be receptive to him.  I get the emails about all the fund raisers in my neck of the woods every day so I know that when you are on the inside, all the GOP counties help raise money.  They help trot you out.  And maybe that is part of the problem that I am trying to alert you to so you can learn.  There is gangrene in the toes of the body politic and it first start with Dede.  It will continue until we stop being told who to vote for and start being asked.<br />
My point is that Ganley was and is shut out.  Whether or not he is better (or not) as a representative of the GOP should be decided by having both candidates get vetted on the trail.  Find the faults in Ganley so the people know why or why not.  Same with Portman.  Have them tested and debated and elected, not selected.<br />
You claim that Ganley is taking a page from Hoffman when I am telling you that he was around pre-Hoffman and the &#8220;central committee&#8221; or the party insiders or the cigar smoking back roomers, nixed Ganley and married Portman.  Right or wrong, there is another side to the coin and even a different fruit basket then the lessons you are claiming are in err.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Holtsberry</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/kevin_holtsberry/2009/11/11/ganley-us-senate-campaign-misinterprepts-ny-23/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Holtsberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1) The party endorsement in no way means there will not be a vote. The NY-23 was a special election this is not.  It is an open seat and there will be a primary where Republicans can vote. You analysis of having your voice taken away is flat out wrong.

It also not true that there was some sort of backroom deal.  The normal endorsement process by the central committee took place.  You can argue that it was premature or not needed but it was not a backroom deal.  And again, it is only an endorsement not a move to appoint Portman to the seat.

I would suggest you get your facts straight before you accuse me of being flat out wrong.

2) Portman has been campaigning on the issues you note before Ganley had even decided to get in the race.  I know because I have been to Portman&#039;s events and I was there when Ganley announced his candidacy.  Portman announced, built a campaign, out raised the two Democrats combined, and has been traveling the state tirelessly.  Ganley has attended a few Tea Party events and is self-funding.

If Ganley is a candidate of the people then why isn&#039;t he even campaigning?  Why is Portman meeting voters in all 88 counties - including numerous Tea Party events - when Ganley is speaking occasionally in NE Ohio?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) The party endorsement in no way means there will not be a vote. The NY-23 was a special election this is not.  It is an open seat and there will be a primary where Republicans can vote. You analysis of having your voice taken away is flat out wrong.</p>
<p>It also not true that there was some sort of backroom deal.  The normal endorsement process by the central committee took place.  You can argue that it was premature or not needed but it was not a backroom deal.  And again, it is only an endorsement not a move to appoint Portman to the seat.</p>
<p>I would suggest you get your facts straight before you accuse me of being flat out wrong.</p>
<p>2) Portman has been campaigning on the issues you note before Ganley had even decided to get in the race.  I know because I have been to Portman&#8217;s events and I was there when Ganley announced his candidacy.  Portman announced, built a campaign, out raised the two Democrats combined, and has been traveling the state tirelessly.  Ganley has attended a few Tea Party events and is self-funding.</p>
<p>If Ganley is a candidate of the people then why isn&#8217;t he even campaigning?  Why is Portman meeting voters in all 88 counties &#8211; including numerous Tea Party events &#8211; when Ganley is speaking occasionally in NE Ohio?</p>
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		<title>By: GOPlady</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/kevin_holtsberry/2009/11/11/ganley-us-senate-campaign-misinterprepts-ny-23/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>GOPlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The glaring lesson that Kevin is not learning is that backroom decisions by party insiders to select the candidate will lead to challenges.
The Ohio GOP, against much outcry from its members and the Ohio Tea Party, decided to meet behind closed doors on Sept 11, while many folks were in DC for the march.  They refused to consider Ganley. They &quot;decided&quot; for us who our candidate would be with no primary vote.
Ganleys family suffered incredible losses with the &quot;bailout&quot; of GM because their family had investments going back generations in Ohio car dealerships.  They had successful businesses that were stolen from them and ultimately give to others who opened lots just miles from their former places of business.
The problem isn&#039;t that Portman could be the best candidate, the problem is that the citizens were never given the choice.
Ganley was active before Hoffman or Dede yet you act as if he just showed up because of their conflict. Ganley was active in May, June, and July,  August, Sept, October, and now Nov. warning people about the damage to American small businesses.  
I honestly don&#039;t know who is more conservative or who is the best for the GOP.  But I do know that here in Ohio, the GOP is losing ground to people who want someone with fire and committment.  Portman is a terrific guy who is pandering to his career and not to the true, real, and palpable terror people feel when they see our constitution getting perverted.  &quot;For the general welfare&quot; doesn&#039;t mean destroy wealth, destroy family legacy, destroy acheivements.  Ganley knows this intimately.  He is the bacon on the plate - committed.  Portman is the egg - interested.
So your analysis is not just completely wrong, it is fatally flawed from the get go.
The conservatives and grassroots republicans in Ohio want a voice.  If we wanted a nanny, we&#039;d vote D.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The glaring lesson that Kevin is not learning is that backroom decisions by party insiders to select the candidate will lead to challenges.<br />
The Ohio GOP, against much outcry from its members and the Ohio Tea Party, decided to meet behind closed doors on Sept 11, while many folks were in DC for the march.  They refused to consider Ganley. They &#8220;decided&#8221; for us who our candidate would be with no primary vote.<br />
Ganleys family suffered incredible losses with the &#8220;bailout&#8221; of GM because their family had investments going back generations in Ohio car dealerships.  They had successful businesses that were stolen from them and ultimately give to others who opened lots just miles from their former places of business.<br />
The problem isn&#8217;t that Portman could be the best candidate, the problem is that the citizens were never given the choice.<br />
Ganley was active before Hoffman or Dede yet you act as if he just showed up because of their conflict. Ganley was active in May, June, and July,  August, Sept, October, and now Nov. warning people about the damage to American small businesses.<br />
I honestly don&#8217;t know who is more conservative or who is the best for the GOP.  But I do know that here in Ohio, the GOP is losing ground to people who want someone with fire and committment.  Portman is a terrific guy who is pandering to his career and not to the true, real, and palpable terror people feel when they see our constitution getting perverted.  &#8220;For the general welfare&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean destroy wealth, destroy family legacy, destroy acheivements.  Ganley knows this intimately.  He is the bacon on the plate &#8211; committed.  Portman is the egg &#8211; interested.<br />
So your analysis is not just completely wrong, it is fatally flawed from the get go.<br />
The conservatives and grassroots republicans in Ohio want a voice.  If we wanted a nanny, we&#8217;d vote D.</p>
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		<title>By: thomasburkby</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/kevin_holtsberry/2009/11/11/ganley-us-senate-campaign-misinterprepts-ny-23/#comment-667</link>
		<dc:creator>thomasburkby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin is totally right on this one.  Portman may not be absolutely perfect in every detail, but who is?  The Bush stimulus was trivial compared to the money-burner that Obama rammed through last winter.  

On balance, Portman is vastly to be preferred over whoever the Democrat nominee will be.  He is very FAR from a Dede Scozzafava.  He deserves the united support of conservatives.  If the party had gotten behind a well-informed conservative at the outset of the NY 23 race, Owens would have lost.  

While I admire Doug Hoffman, what doomed his candidacy in the final analysis was that he was not sufficiently well informed about the local issues to earn the support of the major newspaper in the district.  The perception that Hoffman would not be as adept as the prior congressman (McHugh) on the  parochial needs of the district cost Hoffman that 3% margin that he needed to win.   Perhaps he can change that in preparation for a Nov 2010 rematch.

In the Ohio race, Portman is clearly competent, and knows how to work on the Hill.  In contrast, Ganley is a novice.  The Senate is no place for On the Job Training.  If I were otherwise tempted to support Ganley, phlogiston&#039;s account of Ganley&#039;s use of governmental eminent domain power to squash &quot;little people&quot; in his way absolutely disqualifies him from consideration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin is totally right on this one.  Portman may not be absolutely perfect in every detail, but who is?  The Bush stimulus was trivial compared to the money-burner that Obama rammed through last winter.  </p>
<p>On balance, Portman is vastly to be preferred over whoever the Democrat nominee will be.  He is very FAR from a Dede Scozzafava.  He deserves the united support of conservatives.  If the party had gotten behind a well-informed conservative at the outset of the NY 23 race, Owens would have lost.  </p>
<p>While I admire Doug Hoffman, what doomed his candidacy in the final analysis was that he was not sufficiently well informed about the local issues to earn the support of the major newspaper in the district.  The perception that Hoffman would not be as adept as the prior congressman (McHugh) on the  parochial needs of the district cost Hoffman that 3% margin that he needed to win.   Perhaps he can change that in preparation for a Nov 2010 rematch.</p>
<p>In the Ohio race, Portman is clearly competent, and knows how to work on the Hill.  In contrast, Ganley is a novice.  The Senate is no place for On the Job Training.  If I were otherwise tempted to support Ganley, phlogiston&#8217;s account of Ganley&#8217;s use of governmental eminent domain power to squash &#8220;little people&#8221; in his way absolutely disqualifies him from consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: KeepOhioRed</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/kevin_holtsberry/2009/11/11/ganley-us-senate-campaign-misinterprepts-ny-23/#comment-666</link>
		<dc:creator>KeepOhioRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the last 2 squishy GOP Senators we&#039;ve had from this state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the last 2 squishy GOP Senators we&#8217;ve had from this state.</p>
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		<title>By: KeepOhioRed</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/kevin_holtsberry/2009/11/11/ganley-us-senate-campaign-misinterprepts-ny-23/#comment-665</link>
		<dc:creator>KeepOhioRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He supported real stimulus via tax cuts.

February 2, 2009

Statement by Rob Portman on the House Passed Stimulus Bill

?Working families in Ohio and around the country need help, and they need it now. That?s why a stimulus package should include immediate and permanent tax relief and targeted funding that creates new jobs now. The almost one trillion dollar bill passed recently by the House Democrats fails to provide that help. It focuses too much on bigger government and too little on creating jobs. It is excessive spending that adds to our already skyrocketing deficit and debt.?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He supported real stimulus via tax cuts.</p>
<p>February 2, 2009</p>
<p>Statement by Rob Portman on the House Passed Stimulus Bill</p>
<p>?Working families in Ohio and around the country need help, and they need it now. That?s why a stimulus package should include immediate and permanent tax relief and targeted funding that creates new jobs now. The almost one trillion dollar bill passed recently by the House Democrats fails to provide that help. It focuses too much on bigger government and too little on creating jobs. It is excessive spending that adds to our already skyrocketing deficit and debt.?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/kevin_holtsberry/2009/11/11/ganley-us-senate-campaign-misinterprepts-ny-23/#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When Reagan ran for governor as a political novice, he beat two-term incumbent Pat Brown.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Reagan ran for governor as a political novice, he beat two-term incumbent Pat Brown.</p>
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		<title>By: proudgop</title>
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		<dc:creator>proudgop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Portman is running an impressive campaign so far

supposedly, there is new Quin Poll tomorrow coming out on Senate Race in OH and CT.  Interesting to see what numbers show]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Portman is running an impressive campaign so far</p>
<p>supposedly, there is new Quin Poll tomorrow coming out on Senate Race in OH and CT.  Interesting to see what numbers show</p>
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		<title>By: The_Gadfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[depends on which shows you are watching. He is growing more dismissive of even Republicans if they are inside the beltway. He&#039;s been pushing the Luntz D and R voters outside the beltway need to team up and throw out the inside the beltway bums because the differences between the voters of the two parties are less than the difference between the voters and the elected officials.

I concur there are some R&#039;s who have stood by their conservative principles. What concerns me is that given the current mood of the country, they are as likely to be pilloried as the ones who deserve to be tarred and feathered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>depends on which shows you are watching. He is growing more dismissive of even Republicans if they are inside the beltway. He&#8217;s been pushing the Luntz D and R voters outside the beltway need to team up and throw out the inside the beltway bums because the differences between the voters of the two parties are less than the difference between the voters and the elected officials.</p>
<p>I concur there are some R&#8217;s who have stood by their conservative principles. What concerns me is that given the current mood of the country, they are as likely to be pilloried as the ones who deserve to be tarred and feathered.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Holtsberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Holtsberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think your automatically anti-experienced politician attitude is neither principled nor particularly conservative. It is simply populist anger dressed up as principle.

Ronald Reagan was governor of the largest state in the Union for eight years. I suppose you would have supported a businessman unsullied by public service.  Was Robert A. Taft - aka Mr. Conservative - an incumbent who should have been beat in a primary by a businessman?

Again, you have offered nothing but your own opinion - and one highly unique example - that entrepreneurs are better than experienced candidates in accomplishing conservative policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your automatically anti-experienced politician attitude is neither principled nor particularly conservative. It is simply populist anger dressed up as principle.</p>
<p>Ronald Reagan was governor of the largest state in the Union for eight years. I suppose you would have supported a businessman unsullied by public service.  Was Robert A. Taft &#8211; aka Mr. Conservative &#8211; an incumbent who should have been beat in a primary by a businessman?</p>
<p>Again, you have offered nothing but your own opinion &#8211; and one highly unique example &#8211; that entrepreneurs are better than experienced candidates in accomplishing conservative policy.</p>
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		<title>By: discerningconservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>discerningconservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He owns it(both the property and the restaurant/hotel) along with 
his brother Wym and his sister Ginna.  I do believe you are correct that Wym is the manager, but Rob remains active in running the business. 
But your assertion:
&lt;blockquote&gt; I could?ve sworn that his only non-government work was as a trade lawyer for a couple of years.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

...would be incorrect.  He grew up in a small business family, working for his parent&#039;s Portman Equipment Company.  He has also spent a few years practicing law like you mentioned.  He founded and continues to serve on the board of The Coalition for a Drug Free Greater Cincinnati, and owns The Golden Lamb Inn as mentioned above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He owns it(both the property and the restaurant/hotel) along with<br />
his brother Wym and his sister Ginna.  I do believe you are correct that Wym is the manager, but Rob remains active in running the business.<br />
But your assertion:</p>
<blockquote><p> I could?ve sworn that his only non-government work was as a trade lawyer for a couple of years.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;would be incorrect.  He grew up in a small business family, working for his parent&#8217;s Portman Equipment Company.  He has also spent a few years practicing law like you mentioned.  He founded and continues to serve on the board of The Coalition for a Drug Free Greater Cincinnati, and owns The Golden Lamb Inn as mentioned above.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Holtsberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Holtsberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the campaign bio page:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Rob Portman grew up in an Ohio small business family where he learned early on the value of hard work, leadership, and fiscal responsibility. When Rob was young, his dad, Bill Portman, borrowed money to start Portman Equipment Company, where Rob and his brother and sister all worked growing up. His father, and then his brother, built the family business from a small forklift truck dealership with five employees and Rob?s mom as bookkeeper, to one that employed more than 300 people. Rob became a lawyer and developed his own private practice, representing Portman Equipment Company and other small businesses. He knows firsthand the challenges small businesses face.

[...]

Rob is also a small business owner of the oldest continuously operating business in Ohio, the historic Golden Lamb Inn in Lebanon, Ohio. Rob has been actively involved in the restoration of the hotel and restaurant, which he owns with his brother and sister. Several years ago, he co-authored a book highlighting Ohio?s and the Golden Lamb?s Shaker history, called Wisdom?s Paradise.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the campaign bio page:</p>
<blockquote><p>Rob Portman grew up in an Ohio small business family where he learned early on the value of hard work, leadership, and fiscal responsibility. When Rob was young, his dad, Bill Portman, borrowed money to start Portman Equipment Company, where Rob and his brother and sister all worked growing up. His father, and then his brother, built the family business from a small forklift truck dealership with five employees and Rob?s mom as bookkeeper, to one that employed more than 300 people. Rob became a lawyer and developed his own private practice, representing Portman Equipment Company and other small businesses. He knows firsthand the challenges small businesses face.</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>Rob is also a small business owner of the oldest continuously operating business in Ohio, the historic Golden Lamb Inn in Lebanon, Ohio. Rob has been actively involved in the restoration of the hotel and restaurant, which he owns with his brother and sister. Several years ago, he co-authored a book highlighting Ohio?s and the Golden Lamb?s Shaker history, called Wisdom?s Paradise.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[example at hand-- I live in Tennessee.  Frist didn&#039;t just participate in HCA, he&#039;s also a very well thought of heart surgeon and, while his family certainly has piles of money, they have worked pretty hard to get and retain it.

You know, you really are not very good at playing nice with others.  Your &quot;I&#039;m the real deal and you&#039;re the sell-out&quot; attitude is fairly dripping with contempt for the knowledge or opinions of others.  Is that why your association with Dr. Coburn is in the past?

~~Sigh~~]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>example at hand&#8211; I live in Tennessee.  Frist didn&#8217;t just participate in HCA, he&#8217;s also a very well thought of heart surgeon and, while his family certainly has piles of money, they have worked pretty hard to get and retain it.</p>
<p>You know, you really are not very good at playing nice with others.  Your &#8220;I&#8217;m the real deal and you&#8217;re the sell-out&#8221; attitude is fairly dripping with contempt for the knowledge or opinions of others.  Is that why your association with Dr. Coburn is in the past?</p>
<p>~~Sigh~~</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/kevin_holtsberry/2009/11/11/ganley-us-senate-campaign-misinterprepts-ny-23/#comment-657</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Portman&#039;s family just owns the property, not the hotel/restaurant business itself, and that his brother Wym manages it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Portman&#8217;s family just owns the property, not the hotel/restaurant business itself, and that his brother Wym manages it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/kevin_holtsberry/2009/11/11/ganley-us-senate-campaign-misinterprepts-ny-23/#comment-656</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What businesses did Frist start/run?  He got rich by owning stock in HCA, a company founded by his father and brother.  I&#039;m pretty sure he had nothing to do with the management of the company.  I assume you picked him since both he and Coburn are doctors and you thought it&#039;d be a fun comparison?  Dr. Coburn, who has term-limited himself precisely because he does not want to be corrupted by a career in politics, didn&#039;t become a doctor until after he successfully managed and sold a manufacturing company, so I&#039;m not sure your comparison was a very good one.

That said, your point is not material to my argument.  If given a choice between a candidate with only government experience, and a candidate with only entrepreneurial experience, and they both had the exact same stated position on issues, I would vote for the entrepreneur every time.  I think most voters would do the same.  Apparently you and a few others here disagree.  Best of luck with that.

But I do agree with you that Frist was pretty much a disaster in the Senate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What businesses did Frist start/run?  He got rich by owning stock in HCA, a company founded by his father and brother.  I&#8217;m pretty sure he had nothing to do with the management of the company.  I assume you picked him since both he and Coburn are doctors and you thought it&#8217;d be a fun comparison?  Dr. Coburn, who has term-limited himself precisely because he does not want to be corrupted by a career in politics, didn&#8217;t become a doctor until after he successfully managed and sold a manufacturing company, so I&#8217;m not sure your comparison was a very good one.</p>
<p>That said, your point is not material to my argument.  If given a choice between a candidate with only government experience, and a candidate with only entrepreneurial experience, and they both had the exact same stated position on issues, I would vote for the entrepreneur every time.  I think most voters would do the same.  Apparently you and a few others here disagree.  Best of luck with that.</p>
<p>But I do agree with you that Frist was pretty much a disaster in the Senate.</p>
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		<title>By: kyle8</title>
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		<dc:creator>kyle8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nt]]></description>
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		<title>By: discerningconservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>discerningconservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Golden Lamb Inn in Lebanon(&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.robportman.com/about-rob/&quot;&gt;see here&lt;/a&gt;) .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Golden Lamb Inn in Lebanon(<a href="http://www.robportman.com/about-rob/">see here</a>) .</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/kevin_holtsberry/2009/11/11/ganley-us-senate-campaign-misinterprepts-ny-23/#comment-653</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;BWT, Portman is a successful businessman too but I guess since he is a former elected official he must be evil.&quot;

He is/was?  I could&#039;ve sworn that his only non-government work was as a trade lawyer for a couple of years.  That&#039;s certainly nothing to sneeze at, but it&#039;s a bit different than running your own company (I don&#039;t think Portman ever had his own firm, but I could be mistaken).

I never said that Portman was evil, nor did I say that being in politics makes anyone evil.  I&#039;m sorry you feel the need to put words in my mouth.

What I believe, and what many, many conservatives believe, is that time spent in government generally warps the thinking of even the best people, and that all things being equal, an individual untainted by a career in politics is generally preferable to a life-long politician.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;BWT, Portman is a successful businessman too but I guess since he is a former elected official he must be evil.&#8221;</p>
<p>He is/was?  I could&#8217;ve sworn that his only non-government work was as a trade lawyer for a couple of years.  That&#8217;s certainly nothing to sneeze at, but it&#8217;s a bit different than running your own company (I don&#8217;t think Portman ever had his own firm, but I could be mistaken).</p>
<p>I never said that Portman was evil, nor did I say that being in politics makes anyone evil.  I&#8217;m sorry you feel the need to put words in my mouth.</p>
<p>What I believe, and what many, many conservatives believe, is that time spent in government generally warps the thinking of even the best people, and that all things being equal, an individual untainted by a career in politics is generally preferable to a life-long politician.</p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so I don&#039;t guess anything you have said or done can top that amount of experience here.

Oh, by the way, Sean Davis, for every Dr. Tom Coburn who ends up in the Senate, there&#039;s a Dr. Bill Frist to even things out.  Need I say more about how not every business person is a snap to be a good politician?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so I don&#8217;t guess anything you have said or done can top that amount of experience here.</p>
<p>Oh, by the way, Sean Davis, for every Dr. Tom Coburn who ends up in the Senate, there&#8217;s a Dr. Bill Frist to even things out.  Need I say more about how not every business person is a snap to be a good politician?</p>
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