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Rick Perry’s Strategic Debate Blunders

It has taken me a couple days to fully compose my thoughts on Wednesday’s GOP debate on MSNBC. Like most, I was looking forward to seeing Rick Perry perform on stage for the first time. I like Rick Perry and would gladly support him, but he made two obvious blunders as far as I can see. One can be fixed, the other is his to own. I was and am still hoping that Governor Perry can improve himself as I am no great fan of Mitt Romney. While I prefer Rick Perry on the substance of the issues he failed to demonstrate a level of political acumen I believe is essential to success and to that end an ability to advance conservative principles.

As we all know,the part considered controversial is Governor Perry’s “Doubling Down” on his labeling Social Security a “Ponzi Scheme”. Rick Perry is substantively correct about the soundness regarding the financing of Social Security. He deserves credit for bringing the issue to public attention. It is a genuine profile in courage, given the historic demagoguery of liberals whenever the subject is raised. Members in both parties and across the ideological divide acknowledge the numbers don’t add up for Social Security and it needs to be corrected. Reforming Social Security will be complex and require extraordinary political skills to get it done.

Rick Perry’s insistence on describing it as a “Ponzi Scheme” is a near fatal if not fatal error in judgement both politically and as a matter of public policy. Rick Perry is not off base in his analogy. The current fiscal structure of Social Security has a parallel with a Ponzi Scheme. There is however a fundamental distinction. First and foremost a Ponzi Scheme is a criminal endeavor intent on defrauding its investors. By contrast Social Security is a fully transparent public program freely supported by the American people with their tax dollars for over seventy years. And it has been repeatedly endorsed with results at the ballot box. A free choice by definition is not the same as being victimized by a fraudulent scheme.

The other issue I have is the politics and policy implications of his statement. In the aftermath of the debate are we discussing the long term viability of Social Security as currently structured? NO! Instead, we are debating whether or not it’s a Ponzi Scheme. Issues are often reduced to cliches or hyperbole by politicians and on most issues it is acceptable because most issues are transitory and have no long term relevance except in the moment. But Social Security is not the flavor of the week as issues go, it is a perennial issue that has been debated for generations and any modifications have long term ramifications for American society. On matters of such consequence Rick Perry was ill advised to use hyperbole to illustrate his point. Furthermore, it emboldens left wing demagogues who believe that  raising taxes on everyone else is the proper remedy. If we are going to have a vast public debate on Social Security it must be on the merits.

The other portion of the exchange that bothers me is the one that can be fixed. On the morning of the debate, Karl Rove stated that it was “TOXIC” to call Social Security a Ponzi Scheme. Dick Cheney also declared it to be inaccurate. As conservatives we have had many issues with big government policies and excess spending during the Bush years, a fact that is all too often ignored. We tend to view the Karl Rove’s of the GOP as “establishment”, and therefore not purely conservative, more interested in power than governing on principle. This is a valid criticism on many occasions, but I must point this out. Whatever one thinks of Rove or the “Bushies”, we must have everybody on board in the effort to defeat Barack Obama. Don’t let the numbers give you false hope. He can still win.

Rick Perry chose to “slap down” Rove and by inference could be accused of calling Cheney a liar in his response. Political junkies might find it entertaining but it must be said that if Rick Perry is our nominee, he as is true of all such nominees is confronted with the William Wallace moment from “Braveheart”. Near the end of the movie, Wallace has been beaten, he’s on the run and he agrees to a meeting, a meeting that leads to his betrayal and execution. He turns to his friends and says “We need the nobles”. He was right. Fortunately this is 21st Century America and not 14th Century Scotland, but my point is that we will need the Karl Rove’s committed in this fight, otherwise he’ll spend the money elsewhere and we’re going to NEED THE MONEY.

When Karl Rove said it was “Toxic” prior to the debate, he was giving Perry political advice disguised as analysis. Perry misinterpreted the remarks and was critical in kind. Rove is correct on the politics. Perry is wrong. Perry could have used his ill advised remarks in his book as an impetus to debate the genuine flaws in Social Security and walked back his talk of “Ponzi Scheme” at the same time. He could have suggested his remarks were intended to shine a spotlight on the the present state of the entitlement. Had he said anything to that effect we would be debating the formula for Social Security as opposed to the politics of Ponzi Scheme labeling.

In taking a shot at Rove he perpetuated another underlying narrative. It is quite evident that talk of a feud between the Perry and Bush people is very real. And in this respect Perry again dropped the ball. Prior to the debate, anyone affiliated with the Bush Administration have repeatedly been quizzed about this “feud”. Dana Perino was pressed hard by Megyn Kelly, but only had nice things to say about Perry. JEB BUSH on “HANNITY”, also debunked the notion of a feud. Dick Cheney and Karl Rove have both denied there was a rift. The Bush supporters, recognizing the real possibility of Perry as GOP standard bearer were clearly not being forthright, but towed the line rather than undermine Perry publicly as the potential nominee. Did Perry or his people not notice this? Do you think contributors to Bush didn’t notice? The Bush supporters and the former President himself understand the politics of the nominee distancing themselves from Bush. They won’t take it personally. In fact they have been extending olive branches. If Rick Perry is the nominee, he’s going to want the former Bush contributors on his side. Whatever his problems with the “Bushies”, this is the big leagues man, swallow your pride and play ball, because we all need to get with the program. The title of the program reads: “WE MUST DEFEAT BARACK OBAMA”. Anything else is unacceptable.

I want to support Governor Perry and I would be quite annoyed if Romney is the nominee, but how can we defeat  Barack Obama if we insist on alienating important people necessary to the cause of victory? The next debate is on CNN on Monday. I hope Perry is better prepared, because I WANT to support him because he is correct on the substance and in concert with my core beliefs and principles. But political skill and temperment are essential qualities in a candidate and as President. For quite a while it has been suggested that Perry is the perfect nominee because he unites every faction of the party. His debate performance has put the lie to that expectation. He has the correct principles, but his presentation is hurting the cause.

COMMENTS

  • westcoastpatriette

    and you lost me when you defended your position that one of Perry’s blunders was referring to Social Security as a Ponzi Scheme. You claim that SS is a “fully transparent” program “freely supported” by the American people…you’ve got to be kidding? Since when have any of us had an opt out choice when it comes to SS deductions? Never.

    Next, to criticize Perry for reacting to Rove’s and Cheney’s criticism of his use of the term Ponzi Scheme is even more disingenuous. You really think we buy your argument that their public criticism of Perry was meant to be political advice disguised as analysis? Give me a break.

    You must think we are ignorant buffoons to buy your premise that you really want to support Perry rather than Romney. For some reason, I highly doubt that.

    • Scope

      for calling out yet another passive/aggressive poster. You and I know this is a Rove “War on Perry” post. It wreaks of of it.

      Another comment I found disturbing was-

      “But Social Security is not the flavor of the week as issues go, it is a perennial issue that has been debated for generations and any modifications have long term ramifications for American society.”

      I caught the implications that no one is to discuss the issue because it has been debated for generations, and would have “long term ramifications for society” which means in short, we can’t buck the liberals false promises that were made, something like 70 years ago, and if you touch it, you are not a “compassionate conservative, in the Rove/Bush mold.” No wonder the Bushies and Cheneys and Rove are so against Perry. He will turn their false conservatism on it’s head.

      • westcoastpatriette

        nt

        • onemovoter

          politicians will fake a rift to set themselves apart from another toxic politician. That’s why the conflicting messages between the Bush’s and Perry’s group. Perry still has a good relationship with them except for Rove, still think Perry does a when it comes to Rove.

          I’ve been in local and state politics and have seen all sorts of drama that was faked so that people would get behind a certain person. I don’t mind it as politics requires some showmanship to get people to pay attention and focus. It’s just like any TV show that tries to get an audience.

          I’ll say one thing about this diary, the person doesn’t seem to understand why liberal democrats have been successful in beating back attempts at reform. They use Alinsky tactics to demonize and name call using terms that elicit an emotional response. It is time the GOP learn to turn the tables by using the same tactics to enable reforms.

          That is what Perry is doing here I believe. Palin used it to same effect with Death panels. How long now have we all been talking about Ponzi scheme SS, instead of Romney’s 57 point economic jobs plan? You mean no one is talking about Romney’s plan? Shocking! /sarc

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            Well said Sir!

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          • Scope

            your premise, if the Bushies and Cheney didn’t all come out in support for KBH during the last Governor’s race. How do you explain that?

          • sayoung80913

            My mom used this same tactic on us kids all the time growing up. She’d say something we considered outrageous, we’d of course,immediately shoot it down and tell her affectionately that she was nuts,offer a compromise, which she would laugh off,re counter with an even more outrageous idea and we would settle on the original finally after debating pros and cons because Lord knew that second proposal was just CRAZY. Sly as a fox that one and she knew precisely how to get us thinking and to arrive at exactly the conclusion she wanted all the while letting us think it was our own idea.We always thought she was rather air headed,looking back now-hmmmmm. Perry does this all the time. We’ve watched him employ this again and again and again-just like the Overton Window-strategic mistake? I don’t think so,LOL- we’ve all been talking about it now for days haven’t we? Not “that’s crazy” but ” IS social security a Ponzi scheme?” People are pulling up definitions from wikipedia, and debating the merits aren’t they? Ryan put himself out there first with the plan and the dems tried to torch him,people were shocked but the tiny nugget of the idea was formed in the back of people’s mind, then along came perry to put it out there even further. Pure genius. Now come the next debate, how much do you wanna bet, Perry clarifies and outlines his plan and comes away looking like the man with the plan? Rope a dope at it’s finest.

  • J. Leg

    It was a mistake for the Republican candidates to appear at an MSNBC debate, and Rick Perry, being one of the more conservative candidates in the race was obviously one of the hardest hit with questions that were designed to make him look scary (the “how do you sleep at night” question for example.) I think overall, Perry handled himself well all things considered and that question, designed to make him look like an uncaring old scowl was the best answer of the night in my opinion.

    Where Perry stumbled were questions he’s not used to getting in Texas, like the questions about global warming. He should have just shot from the hip, like he did with the death penalty question but trying to walk his way out a paper bag might not be the best strategy.

    • Vegas_Rick

      than Karl Rove. Politics before policy. He deserves to be smacked around. Frequently.

      • sayoung80913

        With regards to this post, I can’t help but disagree entirely with the premise. Speaking solely for myself, I am sick to the back teeth of smooth,glib,poll tested,focus group tested politically correct answers by politicians. It is guaranteed to lose my vote. I ESPECIALLY despise being treated like I am not adult enough to handle the truth. I don’t respect or admire someone who carefully couches their words because of “electability.” Romney said himself-” you can’t be ELECTED saying words like that out loud” That one sentence right there just tells me all I need to know about Romney. RIP OFF THE BAND AIDE politicians!
        There is a reason that people gravitate to plain talking candidates. You know instinctively that they are being honest, no need to study verbiage,carefully selected adjectives,the correct tone of voice. Just the facts please.BTW- are you from Texas? Rove and Perry hate each other- it is very well known, not the Bushes and Perry hate each other-Rove and Perry hate each other. Rove would have no sway,pull or power whatsoever in a Perry administration and his ego can’t take it. Perry also whooped his butt good last year and Rove’s ego can’t take that either. It proved to Rove that even in his own home state,perry didn’t need or even want his backing. He got elected handily. I believe Rove’s enormous sway is dwindling far more rapidly then his own brain can handle.
        For enlightenment on Rove’s tactics and how he undermines candidates that he publicly supports, go back to last year’s elections. He involved himself in several TP races like a wolf in sheep’s clothing,bringing money yes, but undermining through press leaks,carefully worded statements as a “senior republican official”,etc. Campaigns that were leading like Angle’s then fell. I believe Rove purposely sacrificed some candidates because he knew he and the establishment would not be able to control them once they got into office. Rand Paul refused his help,so did Allen West and a couple of others who were then elected. Rove has been trying to get rid of DeMint for years.He does not want a republican senate unless he controls it in the background, he wants Mitt Romney for pres so he and the other establishment republicans can pull his puppet strings . Nope, not this time fellas-people not only want the truth they DEMAND it. Perry is the guy for it and it appears that even the rep establishment has not gotten a clue about that yet either-too bad, it is out of their hands at this point

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    “By contrast Social Security is a fully transparent public program freely supported by the American people with their tax dollars for over seventy years.”

    ‘supported’? Excuse me, but we are consrcipted and FORCED to pay for that system. What makes Social Security so ‘popular’ is the dynamic of forcing voters to pay in their whole lives … thousands upon thousands of dollars.

    Then these conscripts, slaves to a system they are not allowed to opt out of, then they get the payback.

    “And it has been repeatedly endorsed with results at the ballot box. ”

    What has been endorse is the politics of patronage and govt dependency creating client-class voters.
    Of COURSE there would be hell to pay if someone tries to ‘rob’ them of what they ‘earned’. As for me, I would be find if they dropped my benefits if they just stopped my taxes. I probably wont feel as generous when I turn 65. That is what makes social security ‘popular’. Not its fairness (its not) or goodness (its not), but the fact that it locks people in WITHOUT CHOICE and nobody wants to be the sucker.

    So we, in the ponzi scheme way, make the next generation be the suckers for the overpromising to the old.

    The lie in social security is the idea that it is a retirement system. People are told that, but in fact no single person has an account with their money. There is no contractual obligation or promise, just a political jury-rigged system under Federal control. Soc Security is a lie wrapped around redistributive socialism.

    And come to think of it, that is exactly what Obamacare will be.

    The only solution is harsh and clear language to get people to rethink how to deal with social security and how to deal with other entitlements.

    “Perry could have used his ill advised remarks in his book as an impetus to debate the genuine flaws in Social Security and walked back his talk of

  • APA Guy

    Perry is accurately describing an economic and political farce in language the American public can easily identify with and understand.

    For reference, here is the definition of a Ponzi scheme per Investopedia:

    A fraudulent investing scam promising high rates of return with little risk to investors.

    There is no rate of return for individuals…NONE. Even Paul Krugman readily admits this. SS rate of return, if any, is designed to pay off hidden debt within the U.S budget.

    SS is sold as a public retirement program with guaranteed benefits and a competitive rate of return. It delivers nothing but increased debt and insolvency.

    What exactly would YOU call it if not a Ponzi scheme? Perry told the truth…that is why he was widely judged by conservatives and right-leaning independents as the clear winner of the debate.

  • Scope

    is that Palin can talk about “death panels,” and that is A OK, or Blood Libel, but Perry says Ponzi Scheme, and he is ostracized by some of the very people who though death panels, and cross hairs was completely acceptable. The hypocracy is getting more than a little hard to bear.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    The first names on the list reap great benefits compared to their investment. The middle people get their money back, and the last people lose big time.

    That is what we have here. The poorest group of people, young struggling families, not only face a bad employment picture, but high FICA taxes.

    The wealthiest group, old people, not only get a huge variety of discounts, they get subsidized health care and payments that are out of proportion to what they paid in, if they live a normal lifespan.

    It is an inherently unfair wealth transfer from the poor to the rich.

  • rightwingmom52

    isn’t criminal, it should be. That is not an American principle, regardless of how long it’s been practiced or what you call it. And there’s certainly nothing secure about it, especially when it’s in the hands of some of our most corrupt citizens.

  • Vegas_Rick

    calling SS a Ponzi scheme is simply speaking the whole unvarnished truth.

  • izoneguy

    Was akin to a Vet coming in and telling you that your dog is old and needs to be put down….

    Or – “You can’t handle the truth”

    Everyone hates to be slapped to their senses but now is about a good time
    as any that I can every remember.

    I even heard Newt today kinda slapping Perry around about his statements.
    I think we got a live one here.

    I think a majority would agree that something needs to be done about
    SS & Medicare – the “what to do” is what Perry needs to start working on.